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Loki
03-01-2014, 03:14 PM
http://youtu.be/YNG3I3-3TdI

Linebacker
03-01-2014, 03:40 PM
I bet they build all those buildings with unpayed child labor.

GrebluBro
03-01-2014, 03:43 PM
As an Indian with other 1.5 billion ethnic-Indians, I got some grudge against China

haidian
03-01-2014, 03:51 PM
Shanghai's growth rate is the lowest and slowest in China.the west knows nothing about China.

Acquisitor
03-01-2014, 03:53 PM
I see the proletarian traditions are very well developed in this commie state :)

haidian
03-01-2014, 03:57 PM
The World's Largest Building - Chengdu, China

For detailed information ,check out this CBS NEWS REPORT:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-opens-the-biggest-stand-alone-building-in-the-world/

haidian
03-01-2014, 03:59 PM
The World's Largest Building in Three Minutes - Chengdu, China

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr8QKHxFhZY

haidian
03-01-2014, 04:06 PM
World's Longest Sea Bridge
The Jiaozhou Bay bridge is 26.4 miles long and links China's eastern port city of Qingdao to the offshore island Huangdao.
The road bridge, which is 110ft wide and is the longest of its kind, cost nearly £1billion to build.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7ErmjukK4E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLCxIB2PwMM

Acquisitor
03-01-2014, 04:07 PM
Haidan why don't you list all the things China has copied over the years ? I mean is there anything of relevance that the new China has given the world ? I mean inventions, innovations. Or is it more like "we can copy everything?"

haidian
03-01-2014, 04:12 PM
The whole human history is copying from each other,but not every country has the ability to copy. copying a space shuttle which can deliver people to the space and land a rover on the moon is different from copying a BMW car.

Acquisitor
03-01-2014, 04:22 PM
The whole human history is copying from each other,but not every country has the ability to copy. copying a space shuttle which can deliver people to the space and land a rover on the moon is different from copying a BMW car.

well yes, the entire world is based on copying. Ancient China has given quite a lot to the world.

However there is a difference. Copying something for the sake of having the product for less (the Chinese version of copying) is one thing. However copying an idea and greatly improving it is something else. China has shown the world that it is incapable doing the second type of copying.

Copy a BMW x5, military planes, watches and everything else one can imagine is and remains the foundation of the Chinese economical growth. I find it to be quite pathetic.

I don't like when so shamelessly copy everything they can, make money off it and as a nation have a delusions of grandeur.

haidian
03-01-2014, 04:24 PM
If you want a list .Maybe I can offer some

world's longest and fastest high speed railway system:http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1448318

world's highest railway; http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=790300&highlight=

Loki
03-01-2014, 04:28 PM
As an Indian with other 1.5 billion ethnic-Indians, I got some grudge against China

A grudge because China is rich and India is poor?

Acquisitor
03-01-2014, 04:29 PM
what are you talking about ? the chinese high speed rail is based on a foreign technology. Siemens comes to mind.

Loki
03-01-2014, 04:29 PM
well yes, the entire world is based on copying. Ancient China has given quite a lot to the world.

However there is a difference. Copying something for the sake of having the product for less (the Chinese version of copying) is one thing. However copying an idea and greatly improving it is something else. China has shown the world that it is incapable doing the second type of copying.

Copy a BMW x5, military planes, watches and everything else one can imagine is and remains the foundation of the Chinese economical growth. I find it to be quite pathetic.

I don't like when so shamelessly copy everything they can, make money off it and as a nation have a delusions of grandeur.

So what would you want they rather do? Are they prohibited from using existing technologies?

GrebluBro
03-01-2014, 04:30 PM
A grudge because China is rich and India is poor?
:picard2:

30 years ago, India & China were at the same level (poor as fuck)

Since then,

China grew at average 10%
India grew at 6-7%

China is now obviously wealthier than India, but still a poor country

haidian
03-01-2014, 04:31 PM
China is the 3rd country which sent men and women to the space and landed first moon rover on the moon 37 years after the last human visit, you may say that we are not the first,but still,not many countries can copy those stuff. and the technology we used is very different from those 37 years ago.

Acquisitor
03-01-2014, 04:32 PM
So what would you want they rather do? Are they prohibited from using existing technologies?

using existing technology is one thing. making exact copies of the existing technology while disregarding all copyrights violations and exporting them is effectively stealing.

haidian
03-01-2014, 04:35 PM
Amazing Engineering: China's Ya'an - Xichang Trans Mountain Expressway
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1689692&highlight=

Scandalf
03-01-2014, 04:36 PM
http://youtu.be/YNG3I3-3TdI

Massive skyscrapers, enormous social inequality, fast technological improvements... China!

Some sci-fi writers of the 1980's had some badass insight! (Gibson)

haidian
03-01-2014, 04:39 PM
Beijing and Shanghai are now head to head in claiming the title of the longest subway system in the world,and other Chinese cities are also catching up fast.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=787226&highlight=

zhaoyun
03-07-2014, 03:50 AM
using existing technology is one thing. making exact copies of the existing technology while disregarding all copyrights violations and exporting them is effectively stealing.

Its because China was at a low level of industrialization until recently. The past 30 years China has simply been catching up to the West. At this point, China is entering another level of industrialization, socio-economic development and urbanization that should bring it to another stage of economic growth that is more reliant on services and intellectual innovation, rather than simply cheap labor and mass production. This is similar to the development model that other Asian nations have undergone. China is essentially where Japan was in the 60s or Korea in the 90s.

I think the next 50 years will see China start becoming an innovative nation again like it was in the past.

Astronaut
03-07-2014, 03:57 AM
A grudge because China is rich and India is poor?

With a per capita income of below 10,000$ China is no rich country

zhaoyun
03-07-2014, 03:59 AM
With a per capita income of below 10,000$ China is no rich country

It isn't.

But possibly might be in another 20 years. Not easy to fully develop a country of 1.3 Billion.

Astronaut
03-07-2014, 04:03 AM
It isn't.

But possibly might be in another 20 years. Not easy to fully develop a country of 1.3 Billion.

There is a high possibility of China falling into middle income trap as the economic growth is declining as well as their economic engine of manufacturing is stalling.Also not to mention China is likely to grow old before it becomes rich.

zhaoyun
03-07-2014, 04:08 AM
There is a high possibility of China falling into middle income trap as the economic growth is declining as well as their economic engine of manufacturing is stalling.Also not to mention China is likely to grow old before it becomes rich.

That's all possible, it may also be possible that China's economy might collapse temporarily.

But it doesn't change the long term trend that China will likely be a superpower and the world's dominant economy this century, just like how the great depression and world wars did not change America's trajectory.

The forces in play have not been so much in China's favor in the last several centuries as they are now. Political stability, economic opportunity, and increasing education for its people. All that combined with China's size.

Óttar
03-07-2014, 04:37 AM
As an Indian with other 1.5 billion ethnic-Indians, I got some grudge against China
You can blame Nehru for that...

Astronaut
03-07-2014, 02:23 PM
You can blame Nehru for that...

There are multitude of factors and not just nehruvian socialism.Firstly India is just too diverse for a nation state,this diversity consumes majority of its resources.Secondly the type of democracy ie parliamentary form of democracy is not right for a country as large as India and thirdly India suffers from a very bad luck.It lacks resources,is surrounded by countries which are either extremely unfriendly or top end failed states.

zhaoyun
03-07-2014, 02:32 PM
There are multitude of factors and not just nehruvian socialism.Firstly India is just too diverse for a nation state,this diversity consumes majority of its resources.Secondly the type of democracy ie parliamentary form of democracy is not right for a country as large as India and thirdly India suffers from a very bad luck.It lacks resources,is surrounded by countries which are either extremely unfriendly or top end failed states.

China's big advantage over India is that it has been a nation state for 2000 years. Thus it is easily mobilized to take on revolutionary social changes and grandiose ambitions as a united state and population.

Loki
03-07-2014, 02:49 PM
this diversity consumes majority of its resources.

How? It's India's strength.

zhaoyun
03-07-2014, 02:53 PM
How? It's India's strength.

India's diversity is a strength when it comes to the richness of its cultural experiences, but it's not a strength when it comes to governing and mobilizing a nation effectively. India is very divided with a wide gulf between its different ethnicities and social classes. That's part of the reason why it has not been able to match China's speed in industrializing, infrastructure building, social modernization and achieving great power status.

Astronaut
03-07-2014, 05:16 PM
How? It's India's strength.


Diversity is good for a rich country like USA but not for a developing country like India.Diversity creates huge political and socio economic troubles.Managing a country of 2000+ ethnic,linguistic and caste groups is a massive challenge.

Loki
03-07-2014, 05:28 PM
The caste system is what is wrong with India. It needs to be abolished.

Astronaut
03-07-2014, 05:30 PM
The caste system is what is wrong with India. It needs to be abolished.

It has been abolished since 1947.

Loki
03-07-2014, 05:49 PM
It has been abolished since 1947.

Why do people still know their caste? Why are dalits not given the same opportunities, and face discrimination?

Astronaut
03-07-2014, 05:57 PM
Why do people still know their caste? Why are dalits not given the same opportunities, and face discrimination?

There is a big difference between abolishing by law and abolishing in peoples mind.Caste system has been there since the beginning of Indian civilization.Such an ideology which has been deeply rooted into the psyche of the people for such a log time cannot be removed in a matter of few odd decades.

Caste in India is like racial classification in the west.Although segregation and discrimination has been outlawed but not identification with a particular caste.

It's wrong to say that dalits are not given opportunities. Dalits are entitled to government benefits and schemes all throughout their lives.Seats in colleges,schools,parliament and government jobs are reserved for them as well as they are provided with financial assistance throughout their lives. Further India has stringent anti caste laws whereby any form of discrimination is liable to serious prosecution and jailing.

Cleitus
03-07-2014, 05:58 PM
rice smuggling

Acquisitor
03-07-2014, 07:40 PM
There is a big difference between abolishing by law and abolishing in peoples mind.Caste system has been there since the beginning of Indian civilization.Such an ideology which has been deeply rooted into the psyche of the people for such a log time cannot be removed in a matter of few odd decades.

Caste in India is like racial classification in the west.Although segregation and discrimination has been outlawed but not identification with a particular caste.

It's wrong to say that dalits are not given opportunities. Dalits are entitled to government benefits and schemes all throughout their lives.Seats in colleges,schools,parliament and government jobs are reserved for them as well as they are provided with financial assistance throughout their lives. Further India has stringent anti caste laws whereby any form of discrimination is liable to serious prosecution and jailing.

then perhaps more radical measures are needed to clear people's minds of that horrible system. I dont support such things I think that the caste system is such a heavy burden on the society that some radical measures could be justified.

zhaoyun
03-07-2014, 08:27 PM
I personally think India needs to go through a full Communist revolution and a Cultural Revolution to wipe the slate clean of all its backward institutions and social beliefs, and then start all over again as China did. Until then, there is no way India can match China's performance.

haidian
03-11-2014, 07:53 AM
I personally think India needs to go through a full Communist revolution and a Cultural Revolution to wipe the slate clean of all its backward institutions and social beliefs, and then start all over again as China did. Until then, there is no way India can match China's performance.

Hongkong Macau,Taiwan and Singapore,they are all Chinese culture dominated countries and regions. they didn't wipe the past clean and started all over again.this reasoning doesn't make any sense.

Astronaut
03-12-2014, 03:17 PM
then perhaps more radical measures are needed to clear people's minds of that horrible system. I dont support such things I think that the caste system is such a heavy burden on the society that some radical measures could be justified.

No need of radical measures.You just need to spend money on education,healthcare,infrastructure and industrialization and rest all will fall in place.Unfortunately in India the money spent gets eaten away by corruption.

Acquisitor
03-12-2014, 03:20 PM
No need of radical measures.You just need to spend money on education,healthcare,infrastructure and industrialization and rest all will fall in place.Unfortunately in India the money spent gets eaten away by corruption.

So whats the solution then? Just do nothing? The country has lots of potential which us being wasted by moronic cultural constrains.

alb0zfinest
03-12-2014, 03:22 PM
I thought communism was suppose to end wealth inequality?

Astronaut
03-12-2014, 03:57 PM
So whats the solution then? Just do nothing? The country has lots of potential which us being wasted by moronic cultural constrains.

The root cause of people sticking to backward ideology is Poverty.India was a closed economy till the 90's.After the collapse of the SOVIET UNION,India adopted a capitalist economy and henceforth it became a part of the globalized world.With the advent of capitalism people have started abandoning backward ideologies and adopting modernity.

India is changing,albeit slowly and steadily and considering India's gigantic population it will take some time for it to modernize completely. Capitalism has destroyed the caste barrier too.Because a capitalist economy provides enormous opportunity,people belonging to marginalized communities are now being able to escape from their miseries.

What India needs to do is to spend heavily on socio economic issues and industrialization as well as reform it's colonial era laws.

zhaoyun
03-12-2014, 04:07 PM
The root cause of people sticking to backward ideology is Poverty.India was a closed economy till the 90's.After the collapse of the SOVIET UNION,India adopted a capitalist economy and henceforth it became a part of the globalized world.With the advent of capitalism people have started abandoning backward ideologies and adopting modernity.

India is changing,albeit slowly and steadily and considering India's gigantic population it will take some time for it to modernize completely. Capitalism has destroyed the caste barrier too.Because a capitalist economy provides enormous opportunity,people belonging to marginalized communities are now being able to escape from their miseries.

What India needs to do is to spend heavily on socio economic issues and industrialization as well as reform it's colonial era laws.

I think one of the biggest challenges is building mass infrastructure, both legally speaking and in terms of logistics, it's quite challenging for a puzzle piece nation like India.