Timoshenko: We will win this war

[Shkembe Chorba]

Statement by Yulia Tymoshenko regarding Russia's aggression towards Ukraine

My dear Ukrainians!

I say Ukrainians, because today, regardless of your nationality, we are all Ukrainians. Throughout the world this now sounds dignified. Our courage and strength has become an example for the world of the fight for freedom. You freed the country from dictatorship and in this difficult struggle won the right to a free life.

But once again today there is concern in our hearts for Ukraine, for our loved ones. You are again following every news story, and for good reason, because yesterday, on the first day of Spring, the parliament of the Russian Federation gave authorization for their military to enter the territory of Ukraine and they have now occupied Crimea.

For a long time they called us a brotherly people.

Then the question follows: why wage war on a brotherly people? Why was this done? How do we get out of this situation? This is what I want to talk to you about right now because you deserve the truth. Only by understanding all the circumstances can we resolve the Crimean crisis.

Most importantly. The reason for the military aggression by the Russian Federation against Ukraine is that as a result of our European revolution we gained the right and cleared the path to Europe, thus pushing aside Yanukovych - a subordinate to the Russia government. Russia couldn't get over this. They decided to take possession of Ukraine through armed intervention and make us a part of the Russian Federation. They have given us an ultimatum - they will stop the military aggression only if we return Yanukovych and his corrupt bloody gang to power in Ukraine. This ultimatum is unacceptable for many reasons, and I think you understand this quite well. If Yanukovych returns as president, as Russia is demanding, he will in a few months give Ukraine over to the Russian Federation through a falsified referendum. Russia is trying to achieve our total capitulation through military aggression. This explains why negotiations between Ukraine and Russia will never succeed.

What is the aggressor's plan? What does he want to do with Ukraine? He wants to forcibly escalate tensions in Crimea and cause panic that will result in martial law and total economic and financial destabilization, and potentially even default. The aggressor wants a sharp increase in prices, the economic, social and financial downfall of each of us, of every Ukrainian family. This is their goal. Because what the Russian government wants is a coup to restore dictatorship in Ukraine. This is how the Ukrainian government loves its Ukrainians brothers. I think you know that the official reason for the military incursion on the territory of Ukraine according to Russia was the protection of Russians living in Ukraine from some unclear threat. But it's clear that Russians living in Ukraine, along with other citizens, aren't being protected, but rather being destroyed economically. The Russian aggressor is to blame for every kopeck that you are now losing.

Today the Russian government didn't protect, but betrayed every Russian Ukrainian, making him a victim of their desire to restore the empire.

To destabilize and occupy Ukraine, the aggressor is organizing staged rallies in eastern regions and Crimea, organized by Russian secret forces.

But we all must know that the people of eastern Ukraine and Crimea don't support these rallies - nobody wants a war! And this is their first major mistake.

I want to let you know that nothing will come of this great scam orchestrated by the Russian government. I want to ask you to remain calm and confident for the following reasons.

Firstly, we are not alone in this confrontation with Russia. In 1994 Ukraine signed the Budapest Memorandum with the U.S., UK and Russia guaranteeing our security in exchange for giving up our nuclear arsenal. Russia today is flagrantly violating its obligations and invading our territory. But I'm confident that the United States and Great Britain will never violate this Memorandum and will do everything they can to ensure peace in Ukraine. Vladimir Putin knows that by declaring war on us, he is declaring war on the guarantors of our security - the U.S. and Great Britain. I don't think that Russia will cross this line, because if it does it will lose.

This should be the main reason for calm in our country.

It's also clear today that if Ukraine had joined NATO, such aggression would be impossible right now.

But know that we are not alone in this situation. Today the leaders of the democratic world are holding daily talks with Vladimir Putin to make him stop his aggression against Ukraine. Only such negotiations and coordinated actions by world leaders will restore peace and calm in Ukraine.

Secondly, we must now sow panic and instability. This is what the aggressor wants. Our main weapon right now is calm. Russia will not wage a military war against the entire world, which is why today it's not a war of weapons, but a war of intellect. We must win this war and we will.

Thirdly, I am asking all Ukrainians: do not under any circumstances support the staged rallies in eastern regions and Crimea and do not participate in them because they are the aggressor's weapon.

Fourthly. We must urgently become full-fledged members of the western democratic community, as this will be reliable protection from the Russian aggressor. This is why we must now become a part of a United Europe by signing the association agreement with the European Union. We will start the integration process through security structures of the democratic world, to once and for all protect ourselves from Russia's military threats. Our joint team is currently working on this with world leaders.

And finally. All our government institutions are operating according to the plans that were adopted at yesterday's meeting of the Security and Defense Council. Ukraine's armed forces are in combat mode and ready to repel Russian military aggression. Their combat readiness and moral spirit are very high.

Our men are ready to defend Ukraine and have voluntarily gone to the reserve offices. Russian aggression has united Ukraine, it has united our people. We are united today like never before and we will overcome.

We have spent centuries fighting for our independence and we won't give it up now.

I know that the Ukrainian people will triumph.

I want to appeal separately to our military and all those defending us right now. To all the guys in the military units in Perevalny, the marines in Feodosiya, to all the Ukrainian naval forces, to all the guys whose courage and endurance are being tested - we are with you and we are proud of your courage!

I believe in our victory!

God and Ukraine are on our side.

Glory to Ukraine!

http://www.tymoshenko.ua/en/article/yulia_tymoshenko_02_03_2014_01

[Shkembe Chorba]

God and Ukraine are on our side.

[glass]

UK banks in row over Yulia Tymoshenko 'millions'

Prominent UK banks are at the centre of a dispute over allegations that numerous foreign accounts were set up in the name of former Ukrainian Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko and her family.

A leaked report, seen by The Independent, claims that 85 bank accounts containing millions of pounds were linked to Ms Tymoshenko and relatives.

This global review of Ms Tymoshenko's finances was carried out as part of a wider investigation by Lawrence Graham, the London law firm, which was commissioned last March by the then-Ukrainian Ministry of Revenues and Duties of toppled president Viktor Yanukovich to trace assets allegedly misappropriated by the former prime minister.

The investigation done for Lawrence Graham reviewed 278 bank accounts in 26 countries and claimed that Ms Tymoshenko or her family were either beneficiaries or signatories to accounts which included a number of UK banks although it says these are now closed. The report claimed that 13 bank accounts in countries all over the world remain open. But the Tymoshenko camp is adamant that she has not been involved in any commercial activity since she became a politician in early 1997.

Her lawyer, Sergey Vlasenko, said of the allegations of foreign accounts: “This is a direct lie and not true… She has had no property, no assets, no accounts in USA, UK and Switzerland.”

He added: ”We are absolutely pure and open to talk to anyone who wants to investigate us“

Mr Vlasenko argues that information given to the investigation ”has been falsified and is part of a big dirty propaganda war“ against the former prime minister who is expected to stand for president in May. ”This [investigation] was sponsored by the Yanukovych regime to discredit Mrs Tymoshenko“, he told The Independent.

The Yanukovich regime hired Lawrence Graham to trace more than $200 million which the former Ukrainian government alleged was siphoned off by Tymoshenko and another former Ukrainian Prime Minister Pavlo Lazarenko, among others. The funds allegedly disappeared from the mid-1990s onwards at a time when Tymoshenko ran United Energy Systems. UES was awarded the monopoly rights by Lazarenko, then Prime Minister, to import Russian gas into Ukraine. These allegations were entirely separate to those which much later saw Tymoshenko jailed, and which were widely criticised as politically-motivated.

The allegations in relation to UES and Tymoshenko were however rejected during a criminal investigation in the USA into Lazarenko. In 2004 Lazarenko was convicted of money laundering, theft and hiding the funds in foreign accounts. Most of his Appeal was rejected and he was sentenced to eight years in a California prison.

The indictment stated: “It was further part of the conspiracy that Lazerenko received money from companies owned or controlled by Tymoshenko, including United Energy Systems, in exchange for which Lazarenko exercised his official authority in favour of Tymoshenko's companies”. The US Prosecutor, Martha Boersch, had claimed that she “had evidence that companies controlled by Tymoshenko took part in the schemes for transferring money to Lazarenko's accounts. There were bank statements”. The report commissioned for Lawrence Graham claims that amongst these was an account at a London bank in the name of United Energy Systems which contained £40million. But Tymoshenko was not arrested or charged with any offence and in 2004 the US court dismissed all the allegations in the indictment concerning Lazarenko’s relationship with UES and Tymoshenko, saying there was “insufficient evidence to confirm these schemes.”

The US prosecutors found assets all over the world, notably a NatWest bank account based in London Bridge. The account contained £40 million and was in the name of United Energy Systems with the joint beneficiaries being Lazerenko and Tymoshenko's husband Oleksander.

Tymoshenko's lawyers deny that she has opened a bank account since she became a politician and that the US case exonerated her: “The US case was launched because Kuchma (president of Ukraine at the time) did his best to provide the US prosecutor with all the information, but the court ruled that there was not even small evidence of any corrupt activity by Mrs Tymoshenko.”

Tymoshenko is a polarising but pivotal figure in the current crisis and turmoil in Ukraine. She is expected to be a contender in the forthcoming presidential election. But her track record as prime minister in 2005 and between 2007 until 2010 will be under scrutiny, because the demonstrators are demanding a zero tolerance of corruption after the demise of President Yanukovych. “Tymoshenko belongs to the old generation of Ukrainian politics”, Orysia Lutsevych, a Ukrainian analyst based at Chatham House, told 'The Independent'. “After the Orange Revolution she did nothing to reform economy and establish rule of law. Instead, she focused her attention on infighting inside the Orange Coalition in order to prepare her presidential race. Most people on the [Maidan] square were not demanding her release.”

But her supporters hail Tymoshenko as a hero for her role in the Orange revolution of 2004 and regarded her as a political prisoner when she was jailed during Yanukovych's rule over a gas deal with Russia which she arranged while she was prime minister. Her lawyer Geoffrey Robertson argued last week: “Tymoshenko was accused of abuse of office, because she made a deal with Putin when he stopped gas supplies to Ukraine in the winter of 2009...Her actions, taken to avoid a humanitarian disaster, cannot rationally be regarded as a crime. But for making what her enemies called a 'bad deal', she was jailed.”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/exclusive-uk-banks-in-row-over-yulia-tymoshenko-millions-9177693.html

[Cail]

Seriously, this is just bullshit. Crimea is Russian, and has never been Ukrainian, it's a fucking joke. They are making it into a heroic stand against the Goliath attacking an innocent David to take a part of his heartland, while in reality the Russians are just taking back what is rightfully theirs.

Btw Timoshenko is just sucking up to the patriotic feelings of Ukrainians to earn points for the presidential elections in May. Which she shouldn't win cause her being a political prisoner does not cancel out being a)corrupt and b)complete failure as a prime minister in the past (from the economics standpoint). She's a good politician in the sense that she's good at public speaking and leading people, but her character and managerial skills are by no means suitable to lead a country.

[Vlach]

Seriously, this is just bullshit. Crimea is Russian, and has never been Ukrainian, it's a fucking joke. They are making it into a heroic stand against the Goliath attacking an innocent David to take a part of his heartland, while in reality the Russians are just taking back what is rightfully theirs.

Btw Timoshenko is just sucking up to the patriotic feelings of Ukrainians to earn points for the presidential elections in May. Which she shouldn't win cause her being a political prisoner does not cancel out being a)corrupt and b)complete failure as a prime minister in the past (from the economics standpoint). She's a good politician in the sense that she's good at public speaking and leading people, but her character and managerial skills are by no means suitable to lead a country.

1) Russia gave Crimea to Ukraine, not Ukraine stole this land, how Russia does after 1918

2) If Crimea belong to Russia that means the lands stolen by Russians from Romania belongs Romania, than fucking gave us this lands back.

3) If Russia take only historical parts back, than fucking let Moldova to unite with us.

[glass]

lands stolen by Russians from Romania belongs Romania
Romania is result of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_San_Stefano and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Berlin_(1878)
so you should be better talking not about "stolen lands" but how generous and kind russians were:rolleyes:

[RussiaPrussia]

1) Russia gave Crimea to Ukraine, not Ukraine stole this land, how Russia does after 1918

2) If Crimea belong to Russia that means the lands stolen by Russians from Romania belongs Romania, than fucking gave us this lands back.

3) If Russia take only historical parts back, than fucking let Moldova to unite with us.

moldovia is not our business but moldovas. Russians have no problem with moldova coming to romania and tranistra to russia, but i guess nato wouldnt like it

[Acquisitor]

Seriously, this is just bullshit. Crimea is Russian, and has never been Ukrainian, it's a fucking joke. They are making it into a heroic stand against the Goliath attacking an innocent David to take a part of his heartland, while in reality the Russians are just taking back what is rightfully theirs.

Btw Timoshenko is just sucking up to the patriotic feelings of Ukrainians to earn points for the presidential elections in May. Which she shouldn't win cause her being a political prisoner does not cancel out being a)corrupt and b)complete failure as a prime minister in the past (from the economics standpoint). She's a good politician in the sense that she's good at public speaking and leading people, but her character and managerial skills are by no means suitable to lead a country.

Maybe they should settle for Klitchko then, Im sure such a badass guy can easily lead ukraine from imminent default and turn it into slavic Germany ;)

[Minesweeper]

Maybe they should settle for Klitchko then, Im sure such a badass guy can easily lead ukraine from imminent default and turn it into slavic Germany ;)

I do not see how you made such a prediction. You have very high expectations of this former boxer.

[Sarmatian]

1) Russia gave Crimea to Ukraine, not Ukraine stole this land, how Russia does after 1918

It wasn't given by Russians, it was given by Communist government.


2) If Crimea belong to Russia that means the lands stolen by Russians from Romania belongs Romania, than fucking gave us this lands back.

How retarded are you? Open a map and search for a border between Romania and Russia. Can you find any? No? Exactly! So even if Russia have taken some territories from Romania in the past today all these lands belongs to other countries and have nothing to do with Russia anymore.


3) If Russia take only historical parts back, than fucking let Moldova to unite with us.

Moldova is an independent country you dumbfuck. It can decide for itself if it wants to join Romania. Russia have no say on it and Russians don't really care.

[Zmey Gorynych]

moldovia is not our business but moldovas. Russians have no problem with moldova coming to romania and tranistra to russia, but i guess nato wouldnt like it
Still pretending to be a russian !? If only what you said were true. Russia will never let Moldova free and the sole purpose of Transnistria is exactly that, to keep Moldova under Russia's thumb.


Open a map and search for a border between Romania and Russia. Can you find any? No? Exactly! So even if Russia have taken some territories from Romania in the past today all these lands belongs to other countries and have nothing to do with Russia anymore.
There might be a common border pretty soon :) Actually in the issue of the romanian lands given by the russians to Ukraine it's the ukrainians who insisted on it, they actually requested the entire territory of Bessarabia but Stalin gave them only the north and the south which had russian, ukrainian and bulgarian minorities.

[RussiaPrussia]

Still pretending to be a russian !? If only what you said were true. Russia will never let Moldova free and the sole purpose of Transnistria is exactly that, to keep Moldova under Russia's thumb.


There might be a common border pretty soon :) Actually in the issue of the romanian lands given by the russians to Ukraine it's the ukrainians who insisted on it, they actually requested the entire territory of Bessarabia but Stalin gave them only the north and the south which had russian, ukrainian and bulgarian minorities.

wrong russia would except if moldova comes to romania and tranistra to russia

[Zmey Gorynych]

wrong russia would except if moldova comes to romania and tranistra to russia
You're a moron that undertands jack shit in geopolitics. Transnistria like other entities created over night (Abkhazia, Karelia, etc.) were supposed to keep in check rebelious ethnicities. Crimea was given to Ukraine for the same purpose.

[RussiaPrussia]

You're a moron that undertands jack shit in geopolitics. Transnistria like other entities created over night (Abkhazia, Karelia, etc.) were supposed to keep in check rebelious ethnicities. Crimea was given to Ukraine for the same purpose.

youre an idiot, its like talking to a wall

[Cail]

1) Russia gave Crimea to Ukraine, not Ukraine stole this land, how Russia does after 1918

2) If Crimea belong to Russia that means the lands stolen by Russians from Romania belongs Romania, than fucking gave us this lands back.

3) If Russia take only historical parts back, than fucking let Moldova to unite with us.

Communist Ukrainian peasant Khrushchev gifted it, not Russia.

Russia owns no Romanian land. As far as I'm concerned, Moldova should have a referendum as well, and if they do vote to join Romania - I'll be happy for them.

Btw did you consider the economic costs for Romania to develop Moldova? Romania is already not doing too good economically (GDP per capita PPP about $12k, same level as Iran and Costa Rica), but Moldova is even waaaay worse than that (about $3k, same level as Tuvalu and Ghana). This is much more than the difference between Western and Eastern Germany at the time of their reunion.

[Sarmatian]

Still pretending to be a russian !? If only what you said were true. Russia will never let Moldova free and the sole purpose of Transnistria is exactly that, to keep Moldova under Russia's thumb.

There might be a common border pretty soon :) Actually in the issue of the romanian lands given by the russians to Ukraine it's the ukrainians who insisted on it, they actually requested the entire territory of Bessarabia but Stalin gave them only the north and the south which had russian, ukrainian and bulgarian minorities.

Yes, Lenin and Stalin screwed up a lot of things in managing different ethnicities of USSR. Their final goal was to eliminate ethnic differences alltogether and create Homo Soveticus.

What about people in Moldova, would they want to join Romania? Do they consider themselves same with Romanians?

[Zmey Gorynych]

Communist Ukrainian peasant Khrushchev gifted it, not Russia.

Russia owns no Romanian land. As far as I'm concerned, Moldova should have a referendum as well, and if they do vote to join Romania - I'll be happy for them.

Btw did you consider the economic costs for Romania to develop Moldova? Romania is already not doing too good economically (GDP per capita PPP about $12k, same level as Iran and Costa Rica), but Moldova is even waaaay worse than that (about $3k, same level as Tuvalu and Ghana). This is much more than the difference between Western and Eastern Germany at the time of their reunion.
Some romanian economists concluded that the short term cost of a potential union would be 20 billion euros and it would affect the NDP, but after 7-10 years things would come back to normal. You have to consider the fact that the difference between Romania's and Moldova's population and area is bigger than that between West and East Germany and that means less economic strain on the more developed state. If the economic situation doesn't change after the union the income of the present romanian population would decrease by 13% and that means that every romanian will gain 61,5 euros less every month for several years.


Yes, Lenin and Stalin screwed up a lot of things in managing different ethnicities of USSR. Their final goal was to eliminate ethnic differences alltogether and create Homo Soveticus.

What about people in Moldova, would they want to join Romania? Do they consider themselves same with Romanians?
Actually in this case Stalin showed a little mercy he could've granted Ukraine's wish. The moldovan society is divided, one half is nostalgic about the "great" past, the other looks west and would welcome a union with Romania. As the time goes by I expect the second half to grow bigger and bigger.

[Acquisitor]

I do not see how you made such a prediction. You have very high expectations of this former boxer.

I was being sarcastic...

[Vlach]

Romania is result of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_San_Stefano and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Berlin_(1878)
so you should be better talking not about "stolen lands" but how generous and kind russians were:rolleyes:

Do you need some glasses or are you retarded?

how Russia does after 1918
Im talking about Russia after 1918. I dont have a problem with russians or with Russia, I have a problem with communists, thats all.

[Vlach]

It wasn't given by Russians, it was given by Communist government.



How retarded are you? Open a map and search for a border between Romania and Russia. Can you find any? No? Exactly! So even if Russia have taken some territories from Romania in the past today all these lands belongs to other countries and have nothing to do with Russia anymore.



Moldova is an independent country you dumbfuck. It can decide for itself if it wants to join Romania. Russia have no say on it and Russians don't really care.

Retarded boy, I know more about Moldova than you, you better stfu.
Romania lands was and are with romanians majority, Russia stolen lands where the romanians was the majority idiot.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c8/MoldavianPrincipalityPhysical.jpg

[Geni]

This war Ucraine + NATO cannot win....Putin will never leave the Crimea, and not only that, even the south east of Ukraine .... At least ,if scopy World War 3 and the planet will be destroyed, I do not see how Ukraine can win ..
:shrug:

[Vlach]

Communist Ukrainian peasant Khrushchev gifted it, not Russia.

Russia owns no Romanian land. As far as I'm concerned, Moldova should have a referendum as well, and if they do vote to join Romania - I'll be happy for them.

Btw did you consider the economic costs for Romania to develop Moldova? Romania is already not doing too good economically (GDP per capita PPP about $12k, same level as Iran and Costa Rica), but Moldova is even waaaay worse than that (about $3k, same level as Tuvalu and Ghana). This is much more than the difference between Western and Eastern Germany at the time of their reunion.

We cant unite now, cause we are in Eu and MOldova dont.

[wvwvw]

Another Explanation to Crimean Problem?
Butler Shaffer

Perhaps what is taking place in Crimea is just the tip of a financial bubble that is about to burst. Perhaps Crimea is a debtor to the Russian government, and has long been delinquent in making its payments. If this is so, then the Russians could defend their actions on the grounds that “Crimea doesn’t pay!”

[wvwvw]

‘Neo-Confederates’ in the Crimea
Ryan McMaken

Now that the Crimean parliament has voted to secede from the Ukraine, I hope someone will do an expose explaining how there came to be so many supporters of black slavery in the Crimea. Since we know that only neo-confederates and other supporters of slavery are pro-secession, it would be really interesting to read about how the Crimea became an enclave of John Calhoun disciples. This is fascinating stuff.

Complicating matters further is the fact that the new government in Kiev is now largely run by hard-core anti-semites and actual fascists who helped lead the “democratic” coup in Kiev. It may seem confusing why Crimea secessionists, who, being that secessionists are by definition racists, might want to distance themselves from these people now taking up positions of power in Kiev. The only possible answer is that the engineers of the coup aren’t racist enough for these Crimeans, who are no doubt poring over copies of the collected writings of Howell Cobb. Yep, that’s the only possible explanation.

[Sisak]

I think that Ukraine should remain as it was before, it is always better to be a big state with big teritory, because then help comes from all directions within such a large state, and other states have a greater respect for the big states, their culture and history and such things.

[Xenomorph]

If Crimea leaves Ukraine, the politics of the country will shift as the western portions will have more representation in Parliament. Russia might keep its Black Sea port, but it might well be creating a definitive future EU member and even possible NATO member.

[Sarmatian]

Retarded boy, I know more about Moldova than you, you better stfu.
Romania lands was and are with romanians majority, Russia stolen lands where the romanians was the majority idiot.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c8/MoldavianPrincipalityPhysical.jpg

:picard2:

Is it me or there is no Russia on the map you provided? Who is the retard now :laugh:

[Melina]

I think that Ukraine should remain as it was before, it is always better to be a big state with big teritory, because then help comes from all directions within such a large state, and other states have a greater respect for the big states, their culture and history and such things.

You may be right but as it stands now I highly doubt Ukraine will be united again. There is no way Russia is going to let that port of the black sea go so easily especially giving it freely to NATO and EU.

[Yaroslav]

She a hoe.

[Sarmatian]

Do you need some glasses or are you retarded?

Im talking about Russia after 1918. I dont have a problem with russians or with Russia, I have a problem with communists, thats all.

So you have a problem with commies and for that reason you're going around and bitchin about Russians? :loco:

Guess what: Russians =/= Communists. Communists included all the ethnicites presented on the territory of formere USSR: Jews, Russians, Ukrainians, Armenians, Tatars, Kazakhs, Moldavians and Romanians too and many others. There were commies from Hungary (such as Bela Kun, atrocious little bastard) and even black folk from US. Why don't you complain about these people? Why do you put all the blame solely on Russians? Go and ask Ukraine to give Romania's territories back, it has nothing to do with Russia.

[Vlach]

:picard2:

Is it me or there is no Russia on the map you provided? Who is the retard now :laugh:

How old are you? This is a map for nowadays maps, Moldova and Ukraine was under USSR, retarded boy.

[Sarmatian]

How old are you? This is a map for nowadays maps, Moldova and Ukraine was under USSR, retarded boy.

Not under USSR, they were part of USSR. Anyway how is this fact related to nowadays Russia? USSR is long gone and all these people can decide for themselves what to do and how to live their lives. If after more than 20 years they still depend on big daddy from Moscow it's their own fault. They've had plenty of chances to get away from it, especially in 1990's and early 2000's. So if you suck so much look in the mirror first and only after careful examination point your fingers to others.

[Vlach]

Not under USSR, they were part of USSR. Anyway how is this fact related to nowadays Russia? USSR is long gone and all these people can decide for themselves what to do and how to live their lives. If after more than 20 years they still depend on big daddy from Moscow it's their own fault. They've had plenty of chances to get away from it, especially in 1990's and early 2000's. So if you suck so much look in the mirror first and only after careful examination point your fingers to others.

How inferior can you be?

http://www.google.ro/imgres?hl=ro&biw=1280&bih=920&tbm=isch&tbnid=fM1sduP8-hcIUM%3A&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fexcellentworlds.com%2Fcount ries%2Fmoldova.html&docid=lFqFRU-pruTxUM&imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fexcellentworlds.com%2Fdata_ima ges%2Fcountries%2Fmoldova%2Fmoldova-02.jpg&w=641&h=683&ei=MgMfU7i6A8XEsgbg-oH4AQ&zoom=1&ved=0CGoQhBwwAQ&iact=rc&dur=686&page=1&start=0&ndsp=25

http://www.patriotism.md/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/MoldovaMare.png

[Vlach]

So you have a problem with commies and for that reason you're going around and bitchin about Russians? :loco:

Guess what: Russians =/= Communists. Communists included all the ethnicites presented on the territory of formere USSR: Jews, Russians, Ukrainians, Armenians, Tatars, Kazakhs, Moldavians and Romanians too and many others. There were commies from Hungary (such as Bela Kun, atrocious little bastard) and even black folk from US. Why don't you complain about these people? Why do you put all the blame solely on Russians? Go and ask Ukraine to give Romania's territories back, it has nothing to do with Russia.

Russia gave this territories to Ukraine... and Lenin. Dude, how old are you? You are not ok...

[Sarmatian]

Russia gave this territories to Ukraine... and Lenin.

So was it Russia or Lenin? Or maybe Stalin? Make up your mind already, will ya? :laugh:

[Vlach]

So was it Russia or Lenin? Or maybe Stalin? Make up your mind already, will ya? :laugh:

1918 Russia=Lenin
And I said, I dont have any problems with russian, I have a problem with Russia since 1918, with Russia policy....

[Sarmatian]

1918 Russia=Lenin

Even if it was so (which was not anyway) what the fuck does it have to do with Russia of 2014?


And I said, I dont have any problems with russian, I have a problem with Russia since 1918, with Russia policy....

Are you stupid or something? There was no Russia's policies in 1918, there were Soviet policies and they are no more.

[Vlach]

Even if it was so (which was not anyway) what the fuck does it have to do with Russia of 2014?



Are you stupid or something? There was no Russia's policies in 1918, there were Soviet policies and they are no more.

I stop arguing with you, you are brainless or something :(

[Unome]

I believe in Timoshenko, an angelic, pure ethnic Slavic woman who wears her golden braided hair like a halo around her head. She is a great example and potential leader within Slavdom. More Ukrainians should follow her lead. The invasion by Russia seems unjust and a crime. Why does Russia have the right to invade and conquer a country during anarchy?

However this does prove the ineffectiveness, impotency, and general weakness of Europeans in the EU, who cannot protect potential allies and new states. EU should arm itself with an army, under Germany's leadership, and maintain the security and borders of its constituents. The German Chancellor should wield actual power, not just empty words. For now Putin has the real power (war/army, the only actual power in the world).

[Melina]

I believe in Timoshenko, an angelic, pure ethnic Slavic woman who wears her golden braided hair like a halo around her head. She is a great example and potential leader within Slavdom. More Ukrainians should follow her lead. The invasion by Russia seems unjust and a crime. Why does Russia have the right to invade and conquer a country during anarchy?

However this does prove the ineffectiveness, impotency, and general weakness of Europeans in the EU, who cannot protect potential allies and new states. EU should arm itself with an army, under Germany's leadership, and maintain the security and borders of its constituents. The German Chancellor should wield actual power, not just empty words. For now Putin has the real power (war/army, the only actual power in the world).
Lol Timochenko is a traitor and she wants to put a central bank in Ukraine. Since when does the U.S care about what Ukraine does? They don't care they just want NATO to take over parts of Russia. The U.S just went against their own treaty of 1961 which was not to help a military coup.

So taking out a democratically elected leader is now proven as democratic? You are a typical American fool.

[Unome]

This is an issue for the EU to handle, not US. EU needs to learn to protect its own. Russia is showing EU, and the world, that joining the EU is a bad move. Why should Ukraine join the EU when EU does not have a standing army? Russia has given the go-ahead, the green light, for EU to arm itself. And it will, with the US military-industrial complex behind it. This could be a bad move for everybody. It may have no positive consequences. But Russia has committed herself, perhaps by necessity.



You are a typical American fool.
I would become a fool to dignify your crudeness with anything more than an insult in kind, cretin.

[Sarmatian]

I stop arguing with you, you are brainless or something :(
We haven’t even started arguing yet. To argue on something you have to have clear definition of terms you using in your arguments. But your claims are total mess. First you suggest Russia is evil empire that steals lands from innocent neighbours


…the lands stolen by Russians from Romania…

But then later you’re claiming Russia is fine it’s communists that were evil


…I dont have a problem with russians or with Russia, I have a problem with communists, thats all.

Yet in the very next post you contradict yourself by complaining about evil Russia again


…Russia stolen lands where the romanians was the majority...

And all these somehow enforced by display of modern maps of independent countries of Romania, Moldova and Ukraine. How the heck these maps of yours supposed to prove your point about evil Russia when there is no Russia anywhere close?
Than we have another unexpected twist in the story. Apparently it were Russia and Lenin responsible for stealing land from Romania and giving it away to Ukraine.


Russia gave this territories to Ukraine... and Lenin.

The problem here is Russia was/is a country and Lenin was a person, how can they act in joint effort is beyond of my comprehension. But later on we have some degree of revelation regarding your viewpoint on the issue.


1918 Russia=Lenin…I have a problem with Russia since 1918, with Russia policy....

But for the last 3 pages I was trying to explain to you that in 1918 Russia was not a perpetrator, it was a victim of atrocious perverted Communist regime and arguably more so than Romania/Moldova/Ukraine together. It was subjected to Red Terror, ‘raskulachivanie’, ‘collectivization’ and all sorts of atrocious and genocidal acts. In some places vast areas were depopulated using Hungarian and Chinese mercenaries and replaced with settlers from other regions. So your first mistake is associating “Lenin & Co” with Russia while it was Soviets/USSR, the combined force of ‘lumpen proletariat’ from all over the place, including Romania/Moldova.

Your second mistake is coming from the clear parallel you trying to draw between the actions of Soviets of 1918 and government of modern Russia of 2014. It will be fair to admit that modern Russia inherited some governing institutions from USSR and methods they use to solve problems today are somewhat resemble the methods of Soviets. However the important thing is those institutions were modified significantly since USSR fell apart. And main thing to keep in mind is the motivation of modern Russian government: there are no Communists in rule anymore, for long time, thus these people have very different ideas and extremely different motives behind their actions. They have nothing in common with Soviets of 1918.

It is somewhat flattering to see you portraying Russia as some sort of super force others have no choice but to submit to. But the reality is if one really wants to walk away from it there is nothing can stop him from doing that. If you want examples see history of Finland.

PS: as of my age I might as well turn out to be old enough to be your father. But it doesn’t matter what kind of amazing talents and superb mental abilities do I possess, I still can’t read your mind from a distance… unfortunately. So if you want others to understand what you trying to say, you better learn to communicate your point clearly and as full as possible. The best reply you can get at some random brainfarts of yours is some sort of semi-trolling.

PPS: your obsession with retarded kids is amusing and disturbing at the same time :rolleyes:

[Sarmatian]

I believe in Timoshenko

You are a typical American fool.


…an angelic, pure ethnic Slavic woman…

Part Jewish


…who wears her golden braided hair like a halo around her head.

You are a typical American fool.


She is a great example and potential leader within Slavdom.

She robbed millions of dollars from her own country. Great leader indeed.


More Ukrainians should follow her lead.

If they want to be robbed over again… sure, why not.


The invasion by Russia seems unjust and a crime.

Russia just taking back what is Russian and used to be part of Russia for centuries.


Why does Russia have the right to invade and conquer a country during anarchy?

Why does US have the right to invade and conquer a country during anarchy? Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya… the list can go on and on.


However this does prove the ineffectiveness, impotency, and general weakness of Europeans in the EU, who cannot protect potential allies and new states.

You are a typical American fool.


EU should arm itself with an army, under Germany's leadership, and maintain the security and borders of its constituents. The German Chancellor should wield actual power, not just empty words.

The last two times Germany was superior military power in Europe the whole Europe was drowning in its own blood for a few years. But sure it’s fine with you because… you are a typical American fool.


For now Putin has the real power (war/army, the only actual power in the world).

Thank Gods for that.

[PowerControls]

And you Sarmatian sound like a typical Russian fool. The same disease, the only difference is inverse object of worship/hate.


"It is somewhat flattering to see you portraying Russia as some sort of super force others have no choice but to submit to. But the reality is if one really wants to walk away from it there is nothing can stop him from doing that."

Are you OK?

[Sarmatian]

And you Sarmatian sound like a typical Russian fool. The same disease, the only difference is inverse object of worship/hate.



Are you OK?

Yeah mate, I'm doing just fine, thanks for your concern :thumb001:

You see, I grew up in Russia in the crazy 90's and know its beauty and its ugliness from my own experiences. And I can judge better than most because I live at the West for quite significant time and know it from my own experiences too. It happens so that I have a luxury to compare both without any need to resort to some biased external sources of information on either side. And as pretty much every single person in my position I don't take extreme stances and don't just spew blind unilateral hatred.

So when I see some loudmouths coming out with senseless claims, stupidity of which often can only be described as an offense to human intelligence, it comes as a natural reaction to ridicule them.

[IceSwan]

And you Sarmatian sound like a typical Russian fool. The same disease, the only difference is inverse object of worship/hate.
Are you OK?
buy a punching bag for yourself

[Shkembe Chorba]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QZpCNi9gjE

[bimo]

Btw Timoshenko is just sucking up to the patriotic feelings of Ukrainians to earn points for the presidential elections in May. Which she shouldn't win cause her being a political prisoner does not cancel out being a)corrupt and b)complete failure as a prime minister in the past (from the economics standpoint). She's a good politician in the sense that she's good at public speaking and leading people, but her character and managerial skills are by no means suitable to lead a country.

don't remind you of anyone ? :whistle:

[Yaroslav]

moldovia is not our business but moldovas. Russians have no problem with moldova coming to romania and tranistra to russia, but i guess nato wouldnt like it

While I have no problem giving Moldova to Romania, I would never give it to the present NATO, EU, Russophobic putsch in Romania. First restore the legitimate government illegally overthrown in 1989 then we can talk about this. Right now we must protect Moldova from blood-thirsty NATO and its junta marionette in Romania.