Classify Arthur Koestler

[Anglojew]

Please classify Hungarian (later British) Jewish author and journalist Arthur Koestler, most famous for his work The Thirteenth Tribe relating Ashkenazi Jews to the Khazars http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thirteenth_Tribe

http://www.gisele-freund.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Arthur_Koestler_as_young_man_Paris_1940.jpg

http://www.israelwhat.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/250px-Arthur_Koestler.jpg

[Tooting Carmen]

Depigmented Armenoid

[Anglojew]

Depigmented Armenoid

He looks Alpinid mainly with minor Armenoid and Turanid to me.

[Smeagol]

Depigmented Armenoid

Lol. He could easily be an ethnic Hungarian. Nothing Armenid about him.

[Anglojew]

Lol. He could easily be an ethnic Hungarian. Nothing Armenid about him.

Only the Armenoid lips (Lippensaum) which really discredits his own thesis as it's an indication of Judean ancestry. For instance look at Arafat's Israelite lips (He's admixed with Egyptian);

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multimedia/archive/00355/arafat_nica11656439_355545c.jpg

[Smeagol]

Only the Armenoid lips (Lippensaum)

Not really. I've seen plenty of Europeans with lips like that, although in Koestler's case it could be a minor Semitic influence.

[Anglojew]

Not really. I've seen plenty of Europeans with lips like that, although in Koestler's case it could be a minor Semitic influence.

It could be Jewish/Armenian admixture in those Euros.

[Nehellenia]

East Alpinid and Carpathid admixture.. i see nothing Semitic about him, just a Hungarian.

[Anglojew]

East Alpinid and Carpathid admixture.. i see nothing Semitic about him, just a Hungarian.

That was his ultimate contention that Ashkenazi Jews were Hungarians (since Khazars founded Hungary along with Magyars);
http://www.hunmagyar.org/tor/magyar.htm

[Nehellenia]

That was his ultimate contention that Ashkenazi Jews were Hungarians (since Khazars founded Hungary along with Magyars);
http://www.hunmagyar.org/tor/magyar.htm

I scored very high genetically on the Magyar scale the most, but i don't know of having any Jewish blood in me.
I believe he could of been onto something, but Semitic DNA is still found in Ashkenazi Jews, especially paternally. The theory that Ashkenazi Jews have no Semitic DNA it itself isn't true, but they aren't purely Semitic people only. Many Ashkenazis appear as European convert types.. or only partially Semitic or Armenoid, that is evident...

[armenianbodyhair]

Gorid wif "Turanid" lawl. Side pic wud be helpful.

[Nehellenia]

Gorid wif "Turanid" lawl. Side pic wud be helpful.

http://hugequestions.com/Eric/Neanderthals/Arthur-Koestler.JPG

[7eleven]

Alpinid+Dinaro-Pontid. Looks Central or East European to me

[armenianbodyhair]

http://hugequestions.com/Eric/Neanderthals/Arthur-Koestler.JPG
Okay, now I agree with your classification.

[Hierarchalist]

Gorid wif "Turanid" lawl. Side pic wud be helpful.

Boo Wendy

[armenianbodyhair]

Boo Wendy

Why do you keep saying this to me? Do you have tourettes?

[Vesuvian Sky]

Khazars would possibly have looked more like this:

http://t1308.hizliresim.com/1d/7/r7p0q.jpg

A look which eludes most Ashkenazi I've seen over the years. This B&W picture has perhaps a Jewish individual that may actually have a Khazar derived phenotype:

http://www.texemarrs.com/images/khazar_jews_1876.jpg

The only other cultural connection to Khazars that seems possible or even real or apparent among the Ashkenazi is the shtreimel

http://static2.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/a_scale_large/1200-0/photos/1339270175-haredim-renew-battle-over-the-prophets-road--jerusalem_1265210.jpg

Compare to the old photo of a Kyrgyz herdsman:

http://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net/image_cache/1359309285739668.jpg

However tradition suggests it was borrowed from Polish nobility rather who would mimic Tatar dress.

[Hierarchalist]

Why do you keep saying this to me? Do you have tourettes?

http://www.elektrodaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/i-love-you-patrick-gif.gif

[armenianbodyhair]

http://www.elektrodaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/i-love-you-patrick-gif.gif
Is that what you look like IRL?

[Anglojew]

I scored very high genetically on the Magyar scale the most, but i don't know of having any Jewish blood in me.
I believe he could of been onto something, but Semitic DNA is still found in Ashkenazi Jews, especially paternally. The theory that Ashkenazi Jews have no Semitic DNA it itself isn't true, but they aren't purely Semitic people only. Many Ashkenazis appear as European convert types.. or only partially Semitic or Armenoid, that is evident...

Which test was the Magyar one you're referring to?

My theory is; http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?74375-Are-Ashkenazi-Jews-A-Lost-East-Gothic-Tribe

[Anglojew]

Khazars would possibly have looked more like this:

http://t1308.hizliresim.com/1d/7/r7p0q.jpg

A look which eludes most Ashkenazi I've seen over the years. This B&W picture has perhaps a Jewish individual that may actually have a Khazar derived phenotype:

http://www.texemarrs.com/images/khazar_jews_1876.jpg

The only other cultural connection to Khazars that seems possible or even real or apparent among the Ashkenazi is the shtreimel

http://static2.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/a_scale_large/1200-0/photos/1339270175-haredim-renew-battle-over-the-prophets-road--jerusalem_1265210.jpg

Compare to the old photo of a Kyrgyz herdsman:

http://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net/image_cache/1359309285739668.jpg

However tradition suggests it was borrowed from Polish nobility rather who would mimic Tatar dress.

Thanks. I think you're onto something with the Shtreimel.


There is much speculation surrounding the origin of the shtreimel. According to the Encyclopædia Britannica, it is of Tatar origin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shtreimel

Bingo!

[Vesuvian Sky]

Thanks. I think you're onto something with the Shtreimel.

Yeah I've actually always questioned its Polish nobility origins. I think there was cultural influence from the time of the Khazar Khanate that manifested itself among modern Ashkenazi but the actual genetic contribution minimal at best. Koestler I think has a Semetic look that is more reduced or influenced by Central European admixture. Semetic mixed with Central European I'd say for him but am not sure what that translates to '-id' wise.

[Anglojew]

Yeah I've actually always questioned its Polish nobility origins. I think there was cultural influence from the time of the Khazar Khanate that manifested itself among modern Ashkenazi but the actual genetic contribution minimal at best. Koestler I think has a Semetic look that is more reduced or influenced by Central European admixture. Semetic mixed with Central European I'd say for him but am not sure what that translates to '-id' wise.

Please see I edited my previous reply. Wiki says it is of Tartar origin.

[aherne]

Looks extremely atypical for Jews.

[Smeagol]

Only the Armenoid lips (Lippensaum) which really discredits his own thesis as it's an indication of Judean ancestry. For instance look at Arafat's Israelite lips (He's admixed with Egyptian);

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multimedia/archive/00355/arafat_nica11656439_355545c.jpg

Those lips have actually nothing to do with Armenids. They're actually Semitic (Arabid). Armenid was extremely rare to nonexistent in ancient Israelites, and it's just as rare in modern Palestinians. Arafat looks Semitic with negroid influence.

[Anglojew]

Looks extremely atypical for Jews.

Not really. Most Jews look atypical for Jews. I'd say about 25% of Ashkenazi Jews look "Jewish".

Random photos of Ashkenazi Jews;

http://www.cjnews.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/350px/birthright.jpg

http://www.cjcc.ca/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/taglit43girls.jpg

[Hierarchalist]

Is that what you look like IRL?

You bet...only slightly less chubbier...

[Anglojew]

Those lips have actually nothing to do with Armenids. They're actually Semitic (Arabid). Armenid was extremely rare to nonexistent in ancient Israelites, and it's just as rare in modern Palestinians. Arafat looks Semitic with negroid influence.

They're classified as armenoid by Baker and others.

[LastManOnEarth]

Please classify Hungarian (later British) Jewish author and journalist Arthur Koestler, most famous for his work The Thirteenth Tribe relating Ashkenazi Jews to the Khazars http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thirteenth_Tribe

http://www.gisele-freund.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Arthur_Koestler_as_young_man_Paris_1940.jpg

http://www.israelwhat.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/250px-Arthur_Koestler.jpg

He has a strong admixture of Neanderthaloid genes, like all other genetic Jews.

Living fossil. Alien race. Smart and cunning. Aggressive. Sometimes prone to paraphilias and other depravity.

Other examples:

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[Kiyant]

He has a strong admixture of Neanderthaloid genes, like all other genetic Jews.

Living fossil. Alien race. Smart and cunning. Aggressive. Sometimes prone to paraphilias and other depravity.

Other examples:

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[Selurong]

Ashke-nazi.

[GrebluBro]

He doesn't look Jewish to me

[Selurong]

He doesn't look Jewish to me

Because Judaism is a religion? :confused:

[LastManOnEarth]

:picard1:

worst thing is that it's not a bad joke. There is a lot of truth in it.

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Welcome to the land of Israel

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The Neanderthal genome survived almost unscathed in the caucasus until the end of the last ice age, when there occured a southward migration

I'm not trying to convince anybody though, I always like to allow people to draw their own conclusions.

[Selurong]

worst thing is that it's not a bad joke. There is a lot of truth in it.

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Welcome to the land of Israel

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The Neanderthal genome survived almost unscathed in the caucasus until the end of the last ice age, when there occured a southward migration

I'm not trying to convince anybody though, I always like to allow people to draw their own conclusions.

Lol Jewish Nose = Neanderthal Nose.
So Archaic.

[LastManOnEarth]

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Different skull types.

They are different species.

[LastManOnEarth]

Lol Jewish Nose = Neanderthal Nose.
So Archaic.

The nose is only one detail.

There are at least 10-15 other distinguishing facial features that differ markedly from the cro magnon type.

[Selurong]

The nose is only one detail.

There are at least 10-15 other distinguishing facial features that differ markedly from the cro magnon type.

Do tell me.

[Anglojew]

worst thing is that it's not a bad joke. There is a lot of truth in it.

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Welcome to the land of Israel

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The Neanderthal genome survived almost unscathed in the caucasus until the end of the last ice age, when there occured a southward migration

I'm not trying to convince anybody though, I always like to allow people to draw their own conclusions.

Not backed up by Science or history. There's no genetic evidence Jews are more Neaderthal than other Europids.

Also, the last refuge of Neanderthals was Spain;

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?82694-Are-Spaniards-fully-modern-Humans

[cally]

Dinarid/alpine/pontid

[oh-nahhh]

Alpine-Turanid with reduced Armenoid.

[Germaniac]

No Neanderthal...cut the Hufschmidt crap. Koestler's got a weird hairline BTW, low forehead. Looks primitive, I'll give you that. CM-Alpine+Armenoid and Pontid.

[Anglojew]

No Neanderthal...cut the Hufschmidt crap. Koestler's got a weird hairline BTW, low forehead. Looks primitive, I'll give you that. CM-Alpine+Armenoid and Pontid.

Yes, very low hairline.

[LastManOnEarth]

No Neanderthal...cut the Hufschmidt crap. Koestler's got a weird hairline BTW, low forehead. Looks primitive, I'll give you that. CM-Alpine+Armenoid and Pontid.

It's not Hufschmidt. He is not genuine. There are other sources much before today confirming this idea.

[LastManOnEarth]

Not backed up by Science or history. There's no genetic evidence Jews are more Neaderthal than other Europids.

Also, the last refuge of Neanderthals was Spain;

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?82694-Are-Spaniards-fully-modern-Humans

Well ideas backed up by mainstream science and history are obviously not always adequate (in general). At least that's my experience.

You can't say there was any "last refuge" if something still exists, albeit in a slightly modified form. To say that, you have to be absolutely sure a species is wholly extinct.

Neanderthal genes were concentrated in mountainous regions all over post ice age europe, which were the most similar to the climate before the ice melted.

The most non-diluted form of neanderthal genetic stock was in the Caucasus, in other regions it was more strongly mixed with cro-magnons.

However studying "mountain-people" in regions as diverse as the carpathians and the pyrenees with lead you to the same point. Short, stocky, robust skeleton etc.

Genetic Jews have a very strong admixture of "Neanderthal" genes. But some other people also have it. Just look at Nikolay Valuev for example, and tell me the opposite. I mean I have nothing against Valuev as a person or anything, but simply saying the difference is there. Not being judgmental.

I think these aspects are key to understanding humanity and the problems we're facing today and throughout history.

[LastManOnEarth]

Do tell me.

short, angled neck
robust skeleton
sloping forehead
protruding brow ridge
flatter occiput
the nose, maxillary area is protruding as compared to rest of face
thin upper lip
widely spaced teeth, or big space between front teeth
receding chin

etc etc etc

If there are differences in external physical appearance, I'm sure there are internal differences as well. Brain-function. Other organs etc etc.

Again, I'm not being judgmental in any way.

The Jewish idea of the "master race" becomes easier to understand if we accept that we indeed are different.

[Anglojew]

It's not Hufschmidt. He is not genuine. There are other sources much before today confirming this idea.

Genetics disprove it.

[Anglojew]

Well ideas backed up by mainstream science and history are obviously not always adequate (in general). At least that's my experience.

You can't say there was any "last refuge" if something still exists, albeit in a slightly modified form. To say that, you have to be absolutely sure a species is wholly extinct.

Neanderthal genes were concentrated in mountainous regions all over post ice age europe, which were the most similar to the climate before the ice melted.

The most non-diluted form of neanderthal genetic stock was in the Caucasus, in other regions it was more strongly mixed with cro-magnons.

However studying "mountain-people" in regions as diverse as the carpathians and the pyrenees with lead you to the same point. Short, stocky, robust skeleton etc.

Genetic Jews have a very strong admixture of "Neanderthal" genes. But some other people also have it. Just look at Nikolay Valuev for example, and tell me the opposite. I mean I have nothing against Valuev as a person or anything, but simply saying the difference is there. Not being judgmental.

I think these aspects are key to understanding humanity and the problems we're facing today and throughout history.

Pure bullshit. besides, the Indo-European also came from the Caucasus region;

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/IE_expansion.png