Races of the Far East

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From Siberia to Australia

First, a map of Racial Types, in Asia:
http://s13.postimg.org/p7ybypy87/1eick.png

And Australia:
http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/chauvet/images2/barrinean-map.gif

I:Siberids or Arctic Mongolids


Arctic Mongolid stock indigenous to Siberia, and comprising the Eastsibirid and Westsibirid types.

Westsiberid (Transitional to Europid)


Arctic Mongolid variety, characterized by a convex nose, a receding forehead and darker pigmentation as compared to surrounding groups. The Westsiberid type approaches Indianid in several respects. It is found among peoples of West Siberia, e.g. Kets, Mansis, Nenets, Dolgans, and Nganasans.

Examples of Westsiberid racial type:

Pred. Sibirid Nenets:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/82/Nenets.jpg

http://gallery.imagemaster.ru/data/media/4/keti_22.jpg

http://robertlindsay.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/ket.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Ket_man_1914.jpg

Eastsiberid


Arctic Mongolid variety, distinguished by greater facial profile, wider lower jaw, lower frequency of epicanthus, thicker lips, mesognathy, very coarse hair, high-rooted and narrow nose, very pyknic and massive body build, very advanced musculature, and distinguished especially by white skin. East-Sibirids are found in Chukotka-Kamchatka.

Eastsiberid example:

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/eastsibirid.jpg

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II:Tungids


One of the two basic Mongolid types of northern Asia, the other being Sinid. The Tungid is characterized by a wide face, high cephalic index, low height-length index, high subcutaneous fat ratios, extreme Mongolid features (with reference to the development of epicanthus, cheekbone morphology etc.) and moderately tall stature. Tungids are found in Siberia, Mongolia, and Turkestan, which are all Altaic-speaking territories.

I'll mention that Tungid elements can be found also in Northern China, Korea, and Japan. (Especially Western Japan) In fact, the invading Yayoi in Japan were mainly Tungid. Even today, a Tungid-Palaemongolid blend called Satsumid, is the predominant racial type in Japan.

There are 3 subtypes of Tungid: Kumid, Taigid, and Amur-Sakhalinid

Kumid


Tungid subtype of Turkestan and Mongolia and the surrounding regions. Kumids are characterized by a low and wide skull (sometimes higher than with the Taigid subtype), high and wide face with somewhat smaller malars than the Taigid subtype, high frequency of epicanthus (however less so than with the Taigid subtype), and high and often rather large nose, of little projection. The hair is coarse and black, the eyes are dark, the skin is darker than with the Taigid subtype, and beard growth is scant (but stronger than with the Taigid subtype).

Example of Kumid Racial Type:
http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/gl-kumid.gif

Taigid


Tungid subtype of the Tungus-speaking region of Siberia, between the Yenisei River and Chukotka-Kamchatka, and between the Arctic Ocean and China/Mongolia. Tungids are characterized by short stature, a pyknomorphic build, a maximal Mongolid facial structure, high frequency of epicanthus, a low and wide skull, a very high, wide and flat face, orthognathism, notable forward projection of malars, very little nasal projection, and thin lips. The hair is straight and soft, the eyes and hair are sometimes mixed rather than black, and the skin is very light, sometimes even approaching Northern European standards. Pilous development is scant. A lower-faced south Siberian Taigid subvariety may be distinguished among western Evenks and the Turkic-speaking Tuvans and Tofalars.

Example of Taigid racial type:
http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/gl-taigid.jpg

Amur-Sakhalinid


Tungid subtype of the lower Amur river, Sakhalin Island, and the Kuril Islands, typified by the Nivkh (Gilyaks) and related peoples. It is distinguished from other Tungids (e.g. Taigid) by its stronger beard growth and appreciable prognathism. These traits could be indicative of mixture with Ainuids.

Example of Amur-Sakhalinid Racial Type:
http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/gl-gilyak.jpg

More Examples of Tungid racial types:
http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/gl-tungid.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_a4Mhybj1bk/TVXFXESQVtI/AAAAAAAANM0/MTZP8N9sF3g/s1600/mongolian%2Bman%2Bby%2BCharles%2BMeacham.jpg

Predominantly Tungid women:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=6473&stc=1&d=1291236992

With Sinoid influences:
http://www.worldofstock.com/slides/PCU5076.jpg

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III: Sinids


The most numerous of the Mongolid varieties, characterized by a high and narrow skull and face (however the face is lower than that of the Tungid type), mesognathy, a high frequency of epicanthus, coarse and straight black (sometimes blue-black) hair, and darker skin and thicker lips than Tungids. Sinids are found in China, Tibet, and Korea. Divided into three subtypes: Nordsinid, Mittlesinid, and Suedsinid.

Nordsinid


Sinid subtype. Nordsinids are characterized by relatively great stature, narrow faces and noses, low cephalic indices, high height-length indices, moderate amounts of subcutaneous fat and relatively light pigmentation. Nordsinids are found in Northern China (Khitaid subtype) and Korea (Chosonid subtype).

They are also an important element in Japan, but usually not in pure form.

The Nordsinids were the original Chinese and expanded South, assimilating the Mittelsinid, and Suedsinid farmers. They also expanded Northwards into Manchuria, a formerly Tungid area, now mainly Nordsinid/Nordsinid-Tungid.

Examples of Nordsinid Racial Type:
Painting of a social elite type, idealised Nordsinid progressive form:
http://www.friedmanarchives.com/China/Page2/images/Chinese%20Woman%20silk%20painting.jpg

http://www.neijia.net/neijia/obrazy/39/yang/yang_luchan.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4b/Chiang_Wei-kuo_Nazi_1.jpg

http://www.obit-mag.com/media/image/jomyongrok.jpg

Predominantly Sinoid/Nordsinid women:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=6472&stc=1&d=1291236996

http://csc.ziyi.org/gallery/zhangziyi001.jpg

http://www.offoffoff.com/film/2004/images/womanisthefutureofman.jpg

http://www.toptrip.cc/images/minority/man2.jpg

Nordsinid-Tungid Koreans
http://images.usatoday.com/news/_photos/2003/03/11-korea.jpg

Mittlesinid

Sinid subtype. Really more of a collective term than an actual typological designation, referring to intermediate Nord and Suedsinid populations.

Examples of Mittlesinid Racial Type:

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/gl-middlesinid.jpg

http://schnellinterkulturell.de/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/hu-jintao.jpg

Suedsinid


Sinid subtype. Suedsinids are characterized by wider faces and noses, higher cephalic indices, very high height-length indices, lower fat ratios and medium-short stature.

Examples of Suedsinid racial type:
http://www.hps.com/~tpg/singapore/thailand/images/yao-woman.jpg

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/gl-southsinid.jpg

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IV:Yakonids


Japanese type, More common in the upper class, basically a specialised mixture out of Mittelsinid-Nordsinid (general Sinid) with more progressive Palaemongolid and Ainuid admixture and social selection involved. Refined features, narrower face and nose, which is more often aquiline/convex nose, but overall still Mongolid appearance.

Examples of Yakonid racial type:

http://www.tokyograph.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/abe_hiroshi.jpg

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/gl-coshu.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/Oda_Nobunaga-Portrait_by_Giovanni_NIcolao.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/Morio_Matsudaira.jpg/561px-Morio_Matsudaira.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/Yamashita-Yoshiaki.jpg

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2885/9836207313_1476d17c92_o.jpg

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2862/9836188443_4ca99f675b_o.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/Nozu_Michitsura.jpg/467px-Nozu_Michitsura.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/Tomita-Tsunejiro.jpg

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/53040_2693.gif

http://www.jacar.go.jp/english/nichiro/img3/mutsu.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/Katamori_Matsudaira.jpg

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V: Ainuids


Special type which constitutes a racial substrate in the Japanese population; it is, or rather was, typified by the Ainu people of Hokkaido, South Sakhalin and the Kurile Islands. Ainuids are small-statured and stocky, with broad faces, wide noses, and notable body hair growth. They are sundadonts, and are not considered Mongolid. Their exact affiliation is the subject of much discussion, but the initial suggestion that they are Europids seems to be contradicted by more recent studies which reveal stronger affiliations with the Polynesids of southeast Asia and Polynesia.

In my opinion Ainuids can range from basically Protoeuropid/Europid to almost Weddid or Australid.

Examples of Ainuid Racial Type:

https://wikis.uit.tufts.edu/confluence/download/attachments/21926137/AinuWarrior.jpg

http://robertlindsay.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/figs_25-26_hokkaido_ainu_man_hidaka-1.jpg

http://www.yorku.ca/kdenning/images/bioanthropology/ainu.jpg

http://www.eden-x.cz/topic_files/culture/ainu2/ainu-face1.jpg

http://www.greenshinto.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/AinuCouple.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kXmBwdf24KU/R4_fBeZcOwI/AAAAAAAAAAM/NWnWcOm-Ptw/s320/ainu.jpg

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VI: Palaemongolids


Paedomorphic-infantile, predominantly Mongolid type of southeastern Asia. Palaeomongolids have absorbed varying amounts of Australid, Weddid and Negritid. They are characterized by small stature, a low and round face, a wide nose, full lips, a receding chin, and a relatively low frequency of epicanthus.

Palaemongolids also form the base of the Japanese population but are rarely present in pure form.

The Palaemongolid subtypes are Palaungid, and Nesid.

Palaungid


Palaeomongolid variety of mainland Southeast Asia.

Example of Palaungid Racial Type:
http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/gl-palaungid.jpg

Nesid (Malayid)


Palaeomongolid variety of the Southeast Asian islands (as opposed to the mainland; Gr. νησος = “island”). Nesids are found throughout the Malay Archipelago.

Examples of Nesid Racial Type:
http://photos1.blogger.com/img/43/1359/640/the%20trio.jpg

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VII: Negritids of Southeastern Asia

Aeta


A people of Negritos (members of the Negritid race) indigenous to the Philippines. They are pygmy-sized, with dark chocolate brown skin, tightly curled black hair, very little body hair, flat, hyperplatyrrhine noses, medium-thick lips, and dark brown or black eyes. They are brachycephalic, with mean cephalic indices of 82 (for men) and 86 (for women), and there is little prognathism. The Aeta are similar in most respects to the Semang of the Malay Peninsula and the Andamanese (Andamanid subtype of Negritid) of the Andaman and Nicobar Islands.

Example of Aeta racial type:
http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/gl-aeta1.jpg

Semang


Negritos (members of the Negritid race) of the Malay peninsula, characterized by a stature of less than 1.5 meters, a round or intermediate head form, a low and rounded forehead which projects over the nasal root, a short, depressed and pyramid-shaped nose, moderate to full lips, a poorly developed chin, and often slightly projecting jaws. The eyes, which are a deep brown, are wide open and round, and show no obliquity. The hair is dark brown (nearly black) and tightly curled, and the skin is black or very dark brown.

Example of Semang Racial Type:
http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/gl-semang.jpg

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VIIIOceanic Types

Polynesids


The primary racial type of the Pacific Islands. Polynesids are tall and robust, with medium-high and slightly angular faces, moderately broad lips and nose, and wide eyelid apertures. The skin is light brown, the hair is wavy and black, and the eyes are dark brown. This type is especially prevalent in Hawaii, Samoa, Tonga, New Zealand, the Society Isles and the Easter Isles. In Micronesia it is strongly mixed with Melanesids and Palaemongolids.

Example of Polynesid racial type:
http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/gl-polynesid.jpg

I'll add that there also many Europid/Protoeuropid influenced Polynesid variants, and the type itself is variable.

Melanesids


Oceanian racial type of the Melanesian aborgines, considered members of the greater "Australoid" group, however the relation to Australid and Veddid etc. is uncertain and provisional. Melanesids are sometimes mistaken for Negrids, but the resemblance is actually more remote. Subtypes: Neomelanesid and Palaemelanesid.

Neomelanesid


Melanesid subtype exemplified by the aboriginal population of New Guinea. Neomelanesids are medium-statured, slender and sturdily built, with mesocephalic heads and long faces, high, often convex, yet wide noses with elongated apex, and moderately broad lips. The skin is dark, the hair is dark and frizzly ("negroid"), and the eyes are brown. Facial and body hair development is notable. Neo-Melanesids are prevalent in New Guinea, and are typified by the Papuans.

Example of Neomelanesid racial type:
http://history.sffs.org/i/films/2000/Gospel_According_To_The_Pap.jpg

Palaemelanesid


Melanesid subtype prevalent among the aboriginal population of the Melanesian Archipelago, especially New Caledonia. Paleo-Melanesids are medium-statured and stocky (pyknomorphic). The heads are low and mesocephalic, the faces likewise low and coarse-featured, with broad and fleshy noses, big mouths with thick, non-bulging lips, receding chins, and deep-set eyes. The skin is rather dark, the hair is black and spiral-shaped, and the eyes are brown.

Example of Palaemelanesid racial type:

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/gl-paleomelanesid.jpg

Australids


One of the major subspecies or races of Homo sapiens; the type of the Australian Aborigines, including the semi-extinct Tasmanians. Like the Veddid race of South Asia, the Australid has retained much of the generalized Pleistocene sapiens morphology. It is characterized by a long, low and narrow head, a low, broad and oval face with a receding forehead, a strongly marked supraorbital region, a rather broad, typically concave nose springing from a deep nasion depression, and very strong prognathy. The eyeballs are deep-set, and the lips are thick. The skin ranges from brown to dark brown. Pilous growth is strong; the hair is usually wavy, sometimes frizzy, and typically dark brown or black, although lighter, more reddish tones do occur. The eyes are dark brown. Subtypes: Barrinean, Carpentarian, Murrayian, and Tasmanid.

Examples of Australid Racial Type: (I can't find examples for all the subtypes.)
http://termtud.akg.hu/okt/9/afrika/race_australoid.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Bep2V_0N6gE/TEhizgBl3OI/AAAAAAAAAMw/2Ppy7FpsBDg/s1600/aborigenes-australianos-1.jpg

Tasmanid:
http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/poets/m_r/rose/truganinni.jpg

Subtypes:
Murrayian


Australid subtype of a heavy and thickset variety, characterized by light brown skin, wavy hair, and significant pilous growth. Similarities to the Ainuids of Japan have been considered. The Murrayians are associated by some with an alleged second wave of Australian aborigines (following that of the Barrineans) who survived in the Murray Basin and on the east, south and west coasts at the time of European settlement.

Carpentarian


Australid subtype of northern and central Australia, comparatively tall, straight-haired and dark skinned, with very little body hair. Similarities to the Weddids of India have been considered. The Carpentarians are associated by some with an alleged third wave of Australian aborigines, following that of the Murrayians.

Barrinean


Australid subtype of North Queensland, distinguished by its exceptionally small stature, the result of a process of reduction (probably an in situ development). Barrineans are often referred to as "Australian pygmies" and sometimes confused with Negritids. They are associated by some with an alleged first wave of Australian aborigines, predating the Murrayians and Carpentarians.

Tasmanid


Frizzly-haired Australid subtype which, until the middle of the 19th Century, inhabited most of Tasmania. Tasmanids are considered extinct, however certain continental Australians claim direct descent from this population.

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[GrebluBro]

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Why not posting examples for Indian sub-races?

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Why not posting examples for Indian sub-races?

Far East is not South Asia.

[Methusalem]

Good thread.

[YeshAtid]

Sud sinids look relatively North Asia, no?
Great thread btw.

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Sud sinids look relatively North Asia, no?

I don't really think so. Typical of Chinese in America though.

[YeshAtid]

I don't really think so. Typical of Chinese in America though.
They could pass as being from Honshu any day.
http://www.wtnphotos.com/data/3194/21237434292liu.jpg

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They could pass as being from Honshu any day.
http://www.wtnphotos.com/data/3194/21237434292liu.jpg

Well maybe. Japan is actually more southern, in a racial sense.

[YeshAtid]

Well maybe. Japan is actually more southern, in a racial sense.
Only Honshu is. Hokkaido is Northern Asian.

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Only Honshu is. Hokkaido is Northern Asian.

Yeah, mostly. More Sinoid/Yakonid.

[YeshAtid]

Yeah, mostly. More Sinoid/Yakonid.
And ainuid, hence their propensity for looking pseudo European

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And ainuid, hence their propensity for looking pseudo European

Yeah, and more progressive Ainuid admixture is involved in the Yakonid type. Pure Ainuids barely exist anymore, but mostly they looked like archaic Cromagnoids.

[Methusalem]

Yeah, and more progressive Ainuid admixture is involved in the Yakonid type. Pure Ainuids barely exist anymore, but mostly they looked like archaic Cromagnoids.

I think Ainuids were and are not one block of similar phenotype since they have more Proto-Mongoloid, more primitive Australiform and sometimes more Europiform like variants. Probably they are what is left of a bigger population and variation, which shrunk and was pressed together in a small rest and I think similar things can be said about Melanesids and other race types which don't belong to the 3 main races. I am pretty sure - no it is actually quite obvious that what we can see now of current human biodiversity in terms of racial types, is just what has survived till now. Just think of the Tasmanid race which is now instinct. Would be interesting to see how ancient race types which got instinct have looked liked. It is funny since at the time when Caucasoids already existed around 30 000 years ago, very australoidform skulls like the Upper Paleolithic Markina Gora skeleton from Southern Russia, have been found all over Europe which probably represent the earliest OOA immigration waves. Probably they good 'invaded' by later arriving Caucasoids and got exterminated or diluted into the new arriving gene pool.

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I think Ainuids were and are not one block of similar phenotype since they have more Proto-Mongoloid, more primitive Australiform and sometimes more Europiform like variants.

Yeah, that's true, I've seen examples of all those types. It's the more Europiform/Protoeuropid variant that is involved in the Yakonid type though.


It is funny since at the time when Caucasoids already existed around 30 000 years ago, very australoidform skulls like the Upper Paleolithic Markina Gora skeleton from Southern Russia, have been found all over Europe which probably represent the earliest OOA immigration waves. Probably they good 'invaded' by later arriving Caucasoids and got exterminated or diluted into the new arriving gene pool.

Those Australoidform skulls were the unspecialized and more primitive part of the South Eurasian populations which came from the oldest sapiens strata of the regions. More Northern living populations of the same old sapiens stock evolved on to Europids (temperate-) and Mongolids (cold climate).

Large parts of prehistoric Eurasia were predominantly Weddoid-Australoid and either evolved on to Europids-Mongolids later or were pushed into other areas, the jungles of India for example, by invading Europids, or Mongolids. Another example, some variants of the Palaemongolids were formed by Sinids/Mongolids pushing the Eastweddids to the south, and mixing with them.

[zhaoyun]

I definitely fit within the Nord Sinid type. Sometimes its annoying because most Chinese in the US are Cantonese, and I do not look Cantonese at all, some Korean Americans or Japanese Americans would say things like, you dont look "really Chinese" or you look "more Korean" when Northern China's pop is 4 times that of Korea and Japan combined and the origin of Chinese civ began in the North. But many Cantonese and Southern Chinese can have a Northern look too because of the historic migration of Chinese pop/civ from the North to South.

I think Japanese have very good facial features overall, but they tend to be very small. I met this Japanese businessman just the other day and he stepped back a little bit in nervousness when I stood up to shake his hand because I was towering over him, I think he was 5'5 or something.

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I definitely fit within the Nord Sinid type. Sometimes its annoying because most Chinese in the US are Cantonese, and I do not look Cantonese at all, some Korean Americans or Japanese Americans would say things like, you dont look "really Chinese" or you look "more Korean" when Northern China's pop is 4 times that of Korea and Japan combined and the origin of Chinese civ began in the North. But many Cantonese and Southern Chinese can have a Northern look too because of the historic migration of Chinese pop/civ from the North to South.

I think Japanese have very good facial features overall, but they tend to be very small. I met this Japanese businessman just the other day and he stepped back a little bit in nervousness when I stood up to shake his hand because I was towering over him, I think he was 5'5 or something.
From my experience, the Chinese people is quite homogenous. Southern Chinese are sometimes (but not always) looking mixed with aboriginal peoples (Thai, Burman, Miao-Yao speakers), who are in pure form very different from Chinese (they can't pass even as individuals). Of all foreigners, Tibetans include a large number of people that look very Chinese (for example the Dalai Lama), due to the fact the two peoples are distantly related, but a majority looks different (but certainly not as different as round-faced, dark-yellow skinned, flattish-nosed Southern natives).

[Amud]

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http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=45295&d=1394392431
Look at this chart I found. I believe these morphs came from Humanphenotypes.com back when it was still open, made by the user Ratatoskr on Anthroscape. I don't necessarily agree with the organization of the chart and the types listed don't correspond completely with the posting in this thread, but it should be helpful. I know he also made Australoid morphs, but unfortunately I wasn't able to find them.

I think "Coshu" is the same as "Yakonid". A few of these morphs aren't listed in this thread and I'm not sure what they are.

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I think "Coshu" is the same as "Yakonid".

Yes it is.

[Amud]

Yes it is.


So what do you think the rest of them are?

Chosonid is the Korean type, I think that's supposed to be North Sinid + Tungid. I don't know what the Cipangid is. Qiangid is the Tibetan type, I know that. Aralid looks the same as Kumid to me, I'm not sure what the difference is supposed to be. Pamarid is just Turanid, not sure why it's included there. The Malayids look like a spectrum from Paleomongolid to Weddid, with the Protomalayid being more Weddid and the Deuteromal(ayid?) being more Mongoloid. Not sure what the Shanid is. It looks slightly Weddid influenced to me.

By the way, I had an e-mail conversation with Ratotoskr a few weeks back and he said that he is working on revamping the site, and it will be much more extensive and more accurate when he is finished. So before long we should have much better morphs to go by.

[zhaoyun]

From my experience, the Chinese people is quite homogenous. Southern Chinese are sometimes (but not always) looking mixed with aboriginal peoples (Thai, Burman, Miao-Yao speakers), who are in pure form very different from Chinese (they can't pass even as individuals). Of all foreigners, Tibetans include a large number of people that look very Chinese (for example the Dalai Lama), due to the fact the two peoples are distantly related, but a majority looks different (but certainly not as different as round-faced, dark-yellow skinned, flattish-nosed Southern natives).

Most Chinese in the West are from the Southern provinces. Yes, there is a general homogeneous look, but if you took 100 people from Hong Kong compared to 100 people from let's say, Dalian in the North, I'd be able to tell right away who is who.

For example, look at this video skit done by an American Jewish lady who lives in China, she contrasts the culture in Beijing (North) vs Hong Kong (South, specifically Cantonese). You can tell a significant difference in the look of the people and the culture.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbpTrPJuvys

And this video that this Northern Chinese girl in Dalian makes about Chinese opinions about jews, these are some common looks that Northerners have.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea0KOHt7eXI

Also, the ancestors of Chinese people and Tibetans come from the same root. Some Han Chinese are the more recent descendants of Sinicized Tibetan tribes as well.

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Chosonid is the Korean type, I think that's supposed to be North Sinid + Tungid.

Chosonid is just the Korean variant of Nordsinid. It differs from the Chinese type by having a higher cephalic index, larger face, wider nose, and thicker lips.


I don't know what the Cipangid is.

Apparently a Japanese Nordsinid. Probably with some Ainuid admixture.


Aralid looks the same as Kumid to me,

Aralid is a classic Turanid with additional Mongolid (Tungid) influences.


The Malayids look like a spectrum from Paleomongolid to Weddid, with the Protomalayid being more Weddid and the Deuteromal(ayid?) being more Mongoloid.

Yes.


Not sure what the Shanid is. It looks slightly Weddid influenced to me.

A Palaemongolid with additional Suedsinid influences.

[YeshAtid]

Most Chinese in the West are from the Southern provinces. Yes, there is a general homogeneous look, but if you took 100 people from Hong Kong compared to 100 people from let's say, Dalian in the North, I'd be able to tell right away who is who.

For example, look at this video skit done by an American Jewish lady who lives in China, she contrasts the culture in Beijing (North) vs Hong Kong (South, specifically Cantonese). You can tell a significant difference in the look of the people and the culture.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbpTrPJuvys

And this video that this Northern Chinese girl in Dalian makes about Chinese opinions about jews, these are some common looks that Northerners have.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea0KOHt7eXI

Also, the ancestors of Chinese people and Tibetans come from the same root. Some Han Chinese are the more recent descendants of Sinicized Tibetan tribes as well.
From what I understand of the Han, which is admittedly rather little, is that they all share the same paternal lineage. So groups like the Cantonese and Taishan were formed by Northern Han men mingling with native tribes in the South, gradually forming different groups. Likewise with Northern Han, Mongol and Turkic tribes mixed with Hans producing the modern day Northerners. There are certainly phenotypical differences between the two " groups" but they can be mistaken for one another nonetheless. But I'm unsure whether or not this can be attributed to more recent Northern migration into the South and vice versa.
Are you familiar with a group called the Hakka perchance? They form the bulk of Hans in England and they have their own distinct looks, even when compared to the Cantonese. I've heard different theories on their origins, and was wondering what your take on them is.
Xie xie, excuse any perceived condescension.

[zhaoyun]

From what I understand of the Han, which is admittedly rather little, is that they all share the same paternal lineage. So groups like the Cantonese and Taishan were formed by Northern Han men mingling with native tribes in the South, gradually forming different groups. Likewise with Northern Han, Mongol and Turkic tribes mixed with Hans producing the modern day Northerners. There are certainly phenotypical differences between the two " groups" but they can be mistaken for one another nonetheless. But I'm unsure whether or not this can be attributed to more recent Northern migration into the South and vice versa.
Are you familiar with a group called the Hakka perchance? They form the bulk of Hans in England and they have their own distinct looks, even when compared to the Cantonese. I've heard different theories on their origins, and was wondering what your take on them is.
Xie xie, excuse any perceived condescension.

Well, first stop being condescending. jk lol

The Hakka was originally a group from Central/North China, I'm not that familiar with their origins but they eventually migrated South and encountered a lot of conflict with the Southern Chinese groups, so their traditional villages are shaped like a fortress. It is a very interesting architecture, during the Cold War, American spy satellites thought all these Hakka villages were missile silos. lol

http://blog.ounodesign.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/HakkaVillage1.jpg

[YeshAtid]

Well, first stop being condescending. jk lol

The Hakka was originally a group from Central/North China, I'm not that familiar with their origins but they eventually migrated South and encountered a lot of conflict with the Southern Chinese groups, so their traditional villages are shaped like a fortress. It is a very interesting architecture, during the Cold War, American spy satellites thought all these Hakka villages were missile silos. lol

http://blog.ounodesign.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/HakkaVillage1.jpg
Their dwellings are simple yet intricate lol.
They're an interesting group most certainly, and quite an influential Han sub group by all accounts- Xiaping, Lee Kuan Yew. Sun Yat sen to name a few. They've also been coined the Jews of Asia lol.What provinces are you from if I may enquire? It's unusual for someone in the Chinese diaspora to be Northern.

[zhaoyun]

Their dwellings are simple yet intricate lol.
They're an interesting group most certainly, and quite an influential Han sub group by all accounts- Xiaping, Lee Kuan Yew. Sun Yat sen to name a few. They've also been coined the Jews of Asia lol.What provinces are you from if I may enquire? It's unusual for someone in the Chinese diaspora to be Northern.

You are correct about that last part, I'm actually a mix of different backgrounds primarily Anhui, Fujian and Shaanxi, that's why I have both the Northern physique but the Southern business mind. lol

yes, the Hakka are influential. The best in doing business are actually the Chinese from Zhejiang province. Chinese in general are called the Jews of the East, and knowing Jewish culture, I'd agree because we tend to think the same. lol

[YeshAtid]

You are correct about that last part, I'm actually a mix of different backgrounds primarily Anhui, Fujian and Shaanxi, that's why I have both the Northern physique but the Southern business mind. lol

yes, the Hakka are influential. The best in doing business are actually the Chinese from Zhejiang province. Chinese in general are called the Jews of the East, and knowing Jewish culture, I'd agree because we tend to think the same. lol
Interesting combination, Southerners are indeed characterised as shrewd and business savvy lol whilst their Northern counterparts are more physically imposing.
The Chinese own SE Asia lol, they're relatively small but massively influential in terms of business and political clout. Jews and Chinese people in general get on very well. I don't need to invoke the Chinese food on Christmas do I? lol

You must have heard of Eli Marom.He's an Israeli admiral with a Chinese grandfather.
http://ivarfjeld.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/commander.jpg

[zhaoyun]

Interesting combination, Southerners are indeed characterised as shrewd and business savvy lol whilst their Northern counterparts are more physically imposing.
The Chinese own SE Asia lol, they're relatively small but massively influential in terms of business and political clout. Jews and Chinese people in general get on very well. I don't need to invoke the Chinese food on Christmas do I? lol

You must have heard of Eli Marom.He's an Israeli admiral with a Chinese grandfather.
http://ivarfjeld.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/commander.jpg

Thats funny because as we speak, Im currently having an argument about whether Chinese or Jews are cheaper with my Jewish associate, I'm saying Jews are stingier, she is saying Chinese are. We came to the agreement that Chinese are stingier because Jews usually are willing to pay top dollar if its worth it, while Chinese are still trying to get it at a discount. Then I added, while the Indians will try to get it for free. lol

It's true that SE Asia's economy is pretty much in the hands of a Chinese minority. I think as China continues to grow and industrialize, pretty much all of East Asia's economy will primarily be dominated by China and ethnic Chinese.

[YeshAtid]

Thats funny because as we speak, Im currently having an argument about whether Chinese or Jews are cheaper with my Jewish associate, I'm saying Jews are stingier, she is saying Chinese are. We came to the agreement that Chinese are stingier because Jews usually are willing to pay top dollar if its worth it, while Chinese are still trying to get it at a discount. Then I added, while the Indians will try to get it for free. lol

It's true that SE Asia's economy is pretty much in the hands of a Chinese minority. I think as China continues to grow and industrialize, pretty much all of East Asia's economy will primarily be dominated by China and ethnic Chinese.
Oh a most contentious issue lol. From my interaction with both Jews and Chinese people it's very hard to ascertain who's more austere. You're probably right actually- Jews whilst being tight are still willing to pay for something elaborate but only if it serves a utilitarian use whereas Chinese people will endeavour to purchase something at a rock bottom price. However, you#re wrong about who wins the mantel of most stingiest. It has to be the Italians lol, they make Jews look frivolous. There's a tradition in Southern Italy to buy food at the last minute to ensure it's as cheap as possible and subsequently complain to get a reduction lol.
I'm discounting Singapore as it's predominantly Chinese. Malaysia has to impose limits on Chinese influence lol to make sure they don't take all the jobs lol. In Indonesia there were continual riots against Chinese industrialists, etc. I have no qualms with that given my meritocratic stance. I think Japan and South Korea ( assuming she hasn't united with the North) will reluctantly enter an alliance with China to secure their future. They're compelled to do atm. What do you think?

[OldWayGuy]

What kind of asian Im are

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lol

[zhaoyun]

What kind of asian Im are

http://s9.postimg.org/co1n2n4bz/picture241.jpg
http://s9.postimg.org/5wb7zsfcf/picture243.jpg
http://s9.postimg.org/55ihu0cz3/picture242.jpg

lol

You're Spanish. lol

[OldWayGuy]

No I need to be asian to to be "the west and east'' unifying

It's stay in the old prophecy

The oracle told me it

[zhaoyun]

Oh a most contentious issue lol. From my interaction with both Jews and Chinese people it's very hard to ascertain who's more austere. You're probably right actually- Jews whilst being tight are still willing to pay for something elaborate but only if it serves a utilitarian use whereas Chinese people will endeavour to purchase something at a rock bottom price. However, you#re wrong about who wins the mantel of most stingiest. It has to be the Italians lol, they make Jews look frivolous. There's a tradition in Southern Italy to buy food at the last minute to ensure it's as cheap as possible and subsequently complain to get a reduction lol.
I'm discounting Singapore as it's predominantly Chinese. Malaysia has to impose limits on Chinese influence lol to make sure they don't take all the jobs lol. In Indonesia there were continual riots against Chinese industrialists, etc. I have no qualms with that given my meritocratic stance. I think Japan and South Korea ( assuming she hasn't united with the North) will reluctantly enter an alliance with China to secure their future. They're compelled to do atm. What do you think?

I think Korea has already entered into a tacit alliance with China, and in the future as China continues to develop a more sophisticated economy and become a dominant economic power, Korea will become closely tied to China. Japan will continue to have an adversarial relationship with China. Japan has always been aloof and proud, but due to WW2 and the island issue, Chinese-Japanese relations are very hostile.

In most places where Chinese go, there are usually rules and regulation to stop Chinese from accumulating too much financial or educational success. Usually Chinese people never ask for anything from their host society but just the freedom to succeed.

[zhaoyun]

No I need to be asian to to be "the west and east'' unifying

It's stay in the old prophecy

The oracle told me it

Culturally many East Asian and European cultures blend quite easily from my experience.

[YeshAtid]

I think Korea has already entered into a tacit alliance with China, and in the future as China continues to develop a more sophisticated economy and become a dominant economic power, Korea will become closely tied to China. Japan will continue to have an adversarial relationship with China. Japan has always been aloof and proud, but due to WW2 and the island issue, Chinese-Japanese relations are very hostile.

In most places where Chinese go, there are usually rules and regulation to stop Chinese from accumulating too much financial or educational success. Usually Chinese people never ask for anything from their host society but just the freedom to succeed.
That's shed some new light on my view of the region. South Korea seems to be growing close to China primarily because of the hostility felt towards Japan had been my opinion. Needless to say North Korea is practically a Chinese vassal state lol. China's relationship with Japan is multi faceted and quite interesting. There are close cultural ties between the two albeit they're often understated which once fostered amiable relations but since Japan's industrialisation and nationalist fervor things became more hostile, to say the least. The Diayou islands are a cause of tension in the region- have you an opinion on the matter? I'm actually ambivalent but if Japan or China is willing to purchase them, why not?

The Chinese are a welcome addition to any country, at least in economic terms. Chinese people are the lowest welfare claimants in Britain and are overrepresented in areas of education and commerce. Needless to say the comparison with Jews is very apt lol.

[zhaoyun]

That's shed some new light on my view of the region. South Korea seems to be growing close to China primarily because of the hostility felt towards Japan had been my opinion. Needless to say North Korea is practically a Chinese vassal state lol. China's relationship with Japan is multi faceted and quite interesting. There are close cultural ties between the two albeit they're often understated which once fostered amiable relations but since Japan's industrialisation and nationalist fervor things became more hostile, to say the least. The Diayou islands are a cause of tension in the region- have you an opinion on the matter? I'm actually ambivalent but if Japan or China is willing to purchase them, why not?

The Chinese are a welcome addition to any country, at least in economic terms. Chinese people are the lowest welfare claimants in Britain and are overrepresented in areas of education and commerce. Needless to say the comparison with Jews is very apt loo.

Your assessment is pretty accurate. Although Koreans are very nationalistic today, historically they were very close to China both in political and cultural terms. Japan has always remained somewhat aloof although it did borrow heavily culturally from China.

I don't think the islands dispute can be solved peacefully. I think China is biding its time because it knows that the power balance will tilt towards its favor in the future. It will likely plan a strategy of limited warfare to grab the islands. Though I do hope for peace but I don't see how a peaceful solution can be had.

[YeshAtid]

Your assessment is pretty accurate. Although Koreans are very nationalistic today, historically they were very close to China both in political and cultural terms. Japan has always remained somewhat aloof although it did borrow heavily culturally from China.

I don't think the islands dispute can be solved peacefully. I think China is biding its time because it knows that the power balance will tilt towards its favor in the future. It will likely plan a strategy of limited warfare to grab the islands. Though I do hope for peace but I don't see how a peaceful solution can be had.
I would attribute their nationalistic sentiments to the attempt to counter the chauvinism of North Korea, it's almost like an unifying factor. Korea used to be a vassal state if my memory serves me correctly. I knew a Korean woman once who told me that a sizable proportion of Koreans can trace their lineage back to China, which is interesting. Japan is a unique case- it's a deeply enriched culture and former success story but this is characterised by extreme xenophobia and to a degree feudalism. I've always wanted to visit the region, and I have a feeling Japan would be more culturally resonant whilst equally repellent lol.

China does have the upper hand, in terms of military clout but I'm skeptical of any attack being launched on what amounts to a couple of rocks. They're using this as a facade to demonstrate their military strength whilst also goading the Americans lol. I agree with your surmise that China is biding her time, she knows she has the upper hand. A peaceful solution is but possible I guess- they could buy the islands off the Japanese businessman who currently owns them but I gather he's reluctant to do so.

The kinship between Russia and China is often misconstrued methinks.They have a latent relationship but nothing has really materialised out of it, but who knows?

[zhaoyun]

I would attribute their nationalistic sentiments to the attempt to counter the chauvinism of North Korea, it's almost like an unifying factor. Korea used to be a vassal state if my memory serves me correctly. I knew a Korean woman once who told me that a sizable proportion of Koreans can trace their lineage back to China, which is interesting. Japan is a unique case- it's a deeply enriched culture and former success story but this is characterised by extreme xenophobia and to a degree feudalism. I've always wanted to visit the region, and I have a feeling Japan would be more culturally resonant whilst equally repellent lol.

China does have the upper hand, in terms of military clout but I'm skeptical of any attack being launched on what amounts to a couple of rocks. They're using this as a facade to demonstrate their military strength whilst also goading the Americans lol. I agree with your surmise that China is biding her time, she knows she has the upper hand. A peaceful solution is but possible I guess- they could buy the islands off the Japanese businessman who currently owns them but I gather he's reluctant to do so.

The kinship between Russia and China is often misconstrued methinks.They have a latent relationship but nothing has really materialised out of it, but who knows?

Modern Korea whether North or South has been extremely nationalistic. I think it primarily has to do with their recent history of being colonized by Japan, and also historically having been a vassal state of China, that's given them a victim mentality, combined with their homogeneous population and also their Confucian tendency to strive to be a high status nation. All of this has contributed to their high level of nationalism.

Regarding the islands, Japan's govt owns them. The businessman that had them sold it to the govt. That was the cause of the current wave of hostilities.

Regarding the China Russia alliance, it seems that both powers have mutual interests as of now. Who knows what may happen in the future. China and Russia have often times been allies or foes depending on the circumstances of politics.

[YeshAtid]

Modern Korea whether North or South has been extremely nationalistic. I think it primarily has to do with their recent history of being colonized by Japan, and also historically having been a vassal state of China, that's given them a victim mentality, combined with their homogeneous population and also their Confucian tendency to strive to be a high status nation. All of this has contributed to their high level of nationalism.

Regarding the islands, Japan's govt owns them. The businessman that had them sold it to the govt. That was the cause of the current wave of hostilities.

Regarding the China Russia alliance, it seems that both powers have mutual interests as of now. Who knows what may happen in the future. China and Russia have often times been allies or foes depending on the circumstances of politics.
Korea was relatively autonomous under the successive Chinese dynasties but it stands to reason that the peninsula would nonetheless feel humiliated. Of course when combined with the Japanese atrocities in Korea, which they still vehemently deny- case in point "comfort women" then of course one can anticipate a surge in nationalism.

When reading up on the Senkaku islands affair I wasn't aware that Japan had purchased them. I assumed they were still for sale lol. Japan has a series of disputes with Russia over the Kuril Islands and Sakhalin which as of yet seem unresolved and so exacerbate her foreign policy considerably. Who knows? Both Russia and China may be able to encroach on Japan in order to instill a sense of subordination. Whether or not this is warranted is up for debate lol.

Both countries have more in common than one might think; they're both recovering from enduring sustained periods of communist rule. China is far from being under the spell of Marxism, ever since Deng came into power she has become increasingly free market oriented. Not exactly a characteristic of a centralised economy lol. They also have antagonistic attitudes towards the West and vice versa which may be perceived as quite a strong unifying factor between the two states. But as you've rightly said their relationship has often oscillated in amiability so we will certainly have to wait and see.