Genetic Make up of some European populations

[Gaijin]

https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/populations_British_575.png
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/populations_Bulgarian_575.png
https://geno2-dev.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/populations_Danish_575.png
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/populations_Finnish_575.png
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/populations_German_575.png
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/populations_Greek_575.png
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/populations_Iberian_575.png
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/populations_Romanian_575.png
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/populations_Russians_575.png
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/populations_Sardinian_575.png
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/populations_Tuscan_575.png

Unfortunately not all European populations were measured.
Either way, other ethnic groups can be found in National Geographic's Who AM I: Reference Populations Overview (https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/overview-of-regions-and-closest-populations/reference-populations/)

[The King, I am]

this is fucking bullshit

[Kale]

Yeah something is definitely wrong with that Southwest Asian component. I'm assuming it's lumping together what we typically find as West Asian/Caucasus/Gedroisa/whatever. There is no possible way Greeks can have the same exact percentage as British and Finns.

[Fire Haired]

https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/populations_British_575.png
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/populations_Bulgarian_575.png
https://geno2-dev.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/populations_Danish_575.png
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/populations_Finnish_575.png
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/populations_German_575.png
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/populations_Greek_575.png
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/populations_Iberian_575.png
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/populations_Romanian_575.png
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/populations_Russians_575.png
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/populations_Sardinian_575.png
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/populations_Tuscan_575.png

Unfortunately not all European populations were measured.
Either way, other ethnic groups can be found in National Geographic's Who AM I: Reference Populations Overview (https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/overview-of-regions-and-closest-populations/reference-populations/)

This is from Geno 2.0 and is their own admixture, there are many others which give similar results. It seems based on the most recent studies that modern Europeans are descended of three ancient populations who all had mainly or entirely west Eurasian ancestry: WHG(western hunter gatherer), ANE(Ancient north Eurasian), and EEF(Early European farmer). WHG and ANE both come from mainly the same very ancient source, who were from what we know were probably the first people in Europe. ANE is like the eastern branch and WHG the western branch, ANE ancestry doesn't just exist in Europe is it higher in west Asia, native Americans, and south Asia. EEF descends from near easterns who gave farming to Europe and mixed with native WHG hunter gatherers. It is mainly of near eastern origin but also has a good chunk of WHG.

There is also non EEF near eastern ancestry in Europe, especially in Italy(more in the south) and the Balkans(more in the south and it peaks in Greece) and it comes from people who were almost no different from modern people around Israel and Syria. There is some north-west African ancestry in Iberia and other parts of Meditreaen Europe which also brought some sub Saharan African ancestry and there is east Asian ancestry in far eastern Europe.

North European in Geno 2,0 is mainly of WHG origin, but also has some ANE and EEF, Meditreaen is mainly of EEF or just plain near eastern origin, and south-west Asian is probably mainly near eastern but has some ANE.

[Fire Haired]

https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/populations_British_575.png
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/populations_Bulgarian_575.png
https://geno2-dev.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/populations_Danish_575.png
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/populations_Finnish_575.png
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/populations_German_575.png
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/populations_Greek_575.png
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/populations_Iberian_575.png
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/populations_Romanian_575.png
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/populations_Russians_575.png
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/populations_Sardinian_575.png
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/populations_Tuscan_575.png

Unfortunately not all European populations were measured.
Either way, other ethnic groups can be found in National Geographic's Who AM I: Reference Populations Overview (https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/overview-of-regions-and-closest-populations/reference-populations/)

I scored 40% Meditreaen, 35% north European, something like 17% south-west Asian, and the noise was probably the 5% Sub Saharan, 2% native American, and 2% Oceania.

[Anglojew]

Any graphs for Ashkenazis?

[Prisoner Of Ice]

It's probably right but the mediterranean component has a confusing name. It basically corresponds to early megalithic farmers. Which is interesting since Sardinia is the highest and it's full of a bunch of I clade and r1b clade. There's no r1b found at megalithic sites but I2 seems to be at all of them.

[Fire Haired]

It's probably right but the mediterranean component has a confusing name. It basically corresponds to early megalithic farmers. Which is interesting since Sardinia is the highest and it's full of a bunch of I clade and r1b clade. There's no r1b found at megalithic sites but I2 seems to be at all of them.

Meditreaen from Geno 2.0 peaks in near easterns and north Africans so probably just represents middle eastern ancestry overall. There been two Y DNA samples(at the same site in France) taken from Megalithic people and both had I2a1a1-M26. In my opinon their Y DNA was mainly near eastern G2a, E1b1b V13, and possibly some form of J but they also had a good amount of European Y DNA I probably mainly under subclade I2a1-P37.2.

[Virtuous]

this is fucking bullshit


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQFBz3tp8YU

[Gaijin]

this is fucking bullshit

Of course it is.
A 16 year old boy just pronounced it, in a forum.

[StonyArabia]

Yeah something is definitely wrong with that Southwest Asian component. I'm assuming it's lumping together what we typically find as West Asian/Caucasus/Gedroisa/whatever. There is no possible way Greeks can have the same exact percentage as British and Finns.

The SouthWest Asian component is indeed Gedroisa or the Balochi component is not related to the Semitic/Arabian component that peaks in Arabia among the Yemenite Jews and ethnic Arabians. This can be seen in the samples here that this component has no relationship to the Semitic peoples, and thus the term SouthWest Asian is really Central-South Asian in this case.

[LightHouse89]

The SouthWest Asian component is indeed Gedroisa or the Balochi component is not related to the Semitic/Arabian component that peaks in Arabia among the Yemenite Jews and ethnic Arabians. This can be seen in the samples here that this component has no relationship to the Semitic peoples, and thus the term SouthWest Asian is really Central-South Asian in this case.

I believe this component is the first wave of Neanderthals into Europe. Its not new or startling as I believe they are the carriers of R1b.

[Bobby Martnen]

This is entirely ridiculous. Here's why:

They claim that European populations are a mix of Northern European, Southern European, and Southwest Asian. They also claim that there is nobody alive today who is pure Northern European, Southern European, or Southwest Asian.

In that case, where in the world did they get the samples of Northern European, Southern European, and Southwest Asian from to compare to various European populations?

They can guess at which genes came from where but at the end of the day, it is just that, a guess.

[Amor Vincit Omnia]

incredible the influence of Mediterranean admixture in all European area ...wow

[Äijä]

incredible the influence of Mediterranean admixture in all European area ...wow

Spread of farming, then they got jumped by the horse peoples.

[Amor Vincit Omnia]

Spread of farming, then they got jumped by the horse peoples.
ok , I guess it must be the reason ...the point is that is shocking !!
I am sure finnish people know about their 15 or 17 per cent of south west asia admixture
but I am almost sure most part of them ignore at all they have the same percentuage of Mediterranean one
...and for be sincere I didnt' know too .

[Petalpusher]

This is from Geno 2.0 and is their own admixture, there are many others which give similar results. It seems based on the most recent studies that modern Europeans are descended of three ancient populations who all had mainly or entirely west Eurasian ancestry: WHG(western hunter gatherer), ANE(Ancient north Eurasian), and EEF(Early European farmer). WHG and ANE both come from mainly the same very ancient source, who were from what we know were probably the first people in Europe. ANE is like the eastern branch and WHG the western branch, ANE ancestry doesn't just exist in Europe is it higher in west Asia, native Americans, and south Asia. EEF descends from near easterns who gave farming to Europe and mixed with native WHG hunter gatherers. It is mainly of near eastern origin but also has a good chunk of WHG.

There is also non EEF near eastern ancestry in Europe, especially in Italy(more in the south) and the Balkans(more in the south and it peaks in Greece) and it comes from people who were almost no different from modern people around Israel and Syria. There is some north-west African ancestry in Iberia and other parts of Meditreaen Europe which also brought some sub Saharan African ancestry and there is east Asian ancestry in far eastern Europe.

North European in Geno 2,0 is mainly of WHG origin, but also has some ANE and EEF, Meditreaen is mainly of EEF or just plain near eastern origin, and south-west Asian is probably mainly near eastern but has some ANE.

Quoting this message from fire haired, since it was the best explanation.


However in most calculators we are used to, "Southwest Asian" is Bedouin like

http://bga101.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/geographicethnic-peaks-in-eurogenes.html

K12 (Peaks)

South Asian - South India
Caucasus - Georgia
Southwest Asian - Bedouin
North Amerindian + Arctic - Northwest America
Siberian - Central Siberia
Mediterranean - Sardinia
East Asian - Eastern China
West African - Nigeria
Volga-Ural - Western Volga
South Baltic - Lithuania
Western European - Western Ireland
North Sea - Southern Norway

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/3962/smaps.png


Geno may have a bit different definition.

[MINARDOWICZ]

British, more sw asian than Iberians????? WTF this is so wrong!

[Duffmannn]

Impressive, certainly

[JamesBond007]

Quoting this message from fire haired, since it was the best explanation.


However in most calculators we are used to, "Southwest Asian" is Bedouin like

http://bga101.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/geographicethnic-peaks-in-eurogenes.html

K12 (Peaks)

South Asian - South India
Caucasus - Georgia
Southwest Asian - Bedouin
North Amerindian + Arctic - Northwest America
Siberian - Central Siberia
Mediterranean - Sardinia
East Asian - Eastern China
West African - Nigeria
Volga-Ural - Western Volga
South Baltic - Lithuania
Western European - Western Ireland
North Sea - Southern Norway

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/3962/smaps.png


Geno may have a bit different definition.

He said the National Geographic 'Northern European category" was an admixture of mostly WHG but also has some ANE and EEF admixture. In GEDmatch the best calculator , with ORACLE(s), that approximates this model is Dodecad K12B, though some PUNTdnal calculators come close, perhaps Gedrosia + Caucaus can approximate the SouthWest Asian category etc... :

Dodecad K12b 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

The GEDmatch version of Oracle may give slightly different results from Dienekes version. The GEDmatch version uses FST weighting in its calculations.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 42.99
2 Atlantic_Med 38.17
3 Gedrosia 12.49
4 Caucasus 3.75


Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 3.547707
2 Dutch_Dodecad @ 4.149510
3 CEU30_1000Genomes @ 4.321190
4 English_Dodecad @ 4.433508
5 Kent_1000Genomes @ 4.460861
6 Argyll_1000Genomes @ 5.150399
7 Cornwall_1000Genomes @ 6.123357
8 British_Dodecad @ 6.143931
9 British_Isles_Dodecad @ 6.243843
10 Irish_Dodecad @ 6.326848
11 Orcadian_HGDP @ 6.367440
12 Orkney_1000Genomes @ 6.393582
13 French_Dodecad @ 10.710081
14 German_Dodecad @ 11.014168
15 French_HGDP @ 11.436357
16 Norwegian_Dodecad @ 13.207650
17 Swedish_Dodecad @ 15.786626
18 Hungarians_Behar @ 19.712175
19 Cataluna_1000Genomes @ 24.203848
20 Galicia_1000Genomes @ 25.477442

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Argyll_1000Genomes +50% Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 2.722564


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Argyll_1000Genomes +25% Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad +25% Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 2.722564


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++
1 Argyll_1000Genomes + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 2.634310
2 Argyll_1000Genomes + Argyll_1000Genomes + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 2.722564
3 Argyll_1000Genomes + Kent_1000Genomes + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 2.869009
4 Argyll_1000Genomes + Dutch_Dodecad + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 2.882358
5 Argyll_1000Genomes + CEU30_1000Genomes + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 2.882728
6 Argyll_1000Genomes + English_Dodecad + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 2.887494
7 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Orcadian_HGDP @ 2.889249
8 Irish_Dodecad + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 2.899449
9 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Orkney_1000Genomes @ 2.963723
10 Argyll_1000Genomes + Cornwall_1000Genomes + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 2.981114
11 Argyll_1000Genomes + British_Dodecad + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 3.010854
12 British_Dodecad + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 3.038926
13 Argyll_1000Genomes + Irish_Dodecad + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 3.045146
14 Argyll_1000Genomes + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Orcadian_HGDP @ 3.054181
15 Cornwall_1000Genomes + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 3.071208
16 Argyll_1000Genomes + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Orkney_1000Genomes @ 3.099018
17 Dutch_Dodecad + Irish_Dodecad + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 3.174103
18 Argyll_1000Genomes + Argyll_1000Genomes + Dutch_Dodecad + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 3.174822
19 Dutch_Dodecad + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Orcadian_HGDP @ 3.178035
20 Kent_1000Genomes + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Orcadian_HGDP @ 3.216183

[gixajo]

He said the National Geographic 'Northern European category" was an admixture of mostly WHG but also has some ANE and EEF admixture. In GEDmatch the best calculator , with ORACLE(s), that approximates this model is Dodecad K12B, though some PUNTdnal calculators come close, perhaps Gedrosia + Caucaus can approximate the SouthWest Asian category etc... :

Dodecad K12b 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

The GEDmatch version of Oracle may give slightly different results from Dienekes version. The GEDmatch version uses FST weighting in its calculations.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 42.99
2 Atlantic_Med 38.17
3 Gedrosia 12.49
4 Caucasus 3.75


Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.

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3

All data we use here has the same problem, all depends on conventions in every component coordinates in different interpretations. The only real science data from all of our genetic tests is the raw data, from there speculations, statistics and probability, comparations and theoretical approaches.

You know, there are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics. In this case, statistical inference, and of course, all these calculator, are only statistical packages.

We do what we can.

[The Blade]

British, Finnish, Russian and even German Mediterranean percentages are way too high to be realistic.
And the number of markers used is too small.
Oversimplified as a whole.

[L.o.l.i.t.a]

British, Finnish, Russian and even German Mediterranean percentages are way too high to be realistic.
And the number of markers used is too small.
Oversimplified as a whole.

It is not 'unrealistic'. You who seem to be out of date for at least 5 years. The Anatolian component (farmer / Mediterranean) spread throughout Europe in Neolithic.

[Red Pill]

OBS: SW Asians/Anatolians from 10,000 years ago were not the same as today. And the typical European phenotypes mostly evolved in the last 10-8,000 years or so.