Classify Cretan traditional musician

[mourtsouflos]

Antonis Martsakis (Αντώνης Μαρτσάκης) from the island of Crete, Greece:

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[mourtsouflos]

Bump. Don't you find his looks interesting?

[aherne]

Aryan or steppe variety (CroMagnid in transition towards "Nordid"). His hair is on the darkest spectrum (however: skin tone remains rosy and eyes remain blue), but otherwise his features are totally Aryan in origins. Similar to Balkan CroMagnids, too...

[Faklon]

Dinaricized Atlanto-Med/Pontid

[Smeagol]

Nordpontid-Dinarid-Cromagnoid.

[Hadouken]

north pontid + some dinarid

is that beard style a greek thing ?

[Apri2014]

Bump. Don't you find his looks interesting?

Yes, very interesting, does he look a bit like the ancient greek statues ?

[mourtsouflos]

north pontid + some dinarid

is that beard style a greek thing ?

Old Cretan style. Here's a video of him singing (after 01:55 he dances too):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYZMrFWnMes

[Styrian Mujo]

This guy might actually have some Greek in him:eek:

[Kastrioti1443]

Steppe Type altered by Med and maybe some Dinarid.

[Hadouken]

Old Cretan style. Here's a video of him singing (after 01:55 he dances too):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYZMrFWnMes

cool music and dancing

the guy on left is going nuts haha

[aherne]

Saw the video. He's a pure representative of Steppe Aryan with Corded tendencies. Would have been extremely typical for Scythians...

[Dorian]

man man...no matter from where this phenotype comes , it's amazing how his family preserved it.DNA is so weird.Sad fact is that it will be lost in next generations.

[tEhSaint]

man man...no matter from where this phenotype comes , it's amazing how his family preserved it.DNA is so weird.Sad fact is that it will be lost in next generations.

Why so negative? Have faith. In Crete there are so many people with his phenotype.

[Dorian]

Why so negative? Have faith. In Crete there are so many people with his phenotype.

I hope so, I know there are many light types in Crete but him?I don't know he has a very unique look like he's straight from steppes and what I'm saying is that at least from his family this phenotype will be extinct because of mixing with other sub-races or stop reproducing.
I think there are two explanations on how his phenotype was preserved,either both of his parents carry genes for such phenotypes(and every of their ancestors as well)or it is a dominant phenotype.Guys like him is the reason on why eugenics should be practised :P

[mourtsouflos]

Photo with family members (the old man must be his father):

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[mourtsouflos]

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[Faklon]

lol

[Proto-Shaman]

steppe Taurid-dinaromorph (Scythic, but could also be of Minoan Linear A/Eteocretan ancestry)

[Kamal900]

A badass Greek. Truly they are the descendants of the oldest civilization in Europe, the Minoans. Pontid+Dinarid.

[Faklon]

steppe Taurid-dinaromorph (but could also be of Minoan Linear A ancestry)

How so?

Minoans have been considered small med.

To me he looks Dorian dinaromorph,neither Minoan nor Steppe.

[Proto-Shaman]

How so?

Minoans have been considered classic-med.

To me he looks Dorian dinaromorph,neither Minoan nor Steppe.
Eastern Mediterranean region has much Pontic steppe influence. Thats why most people classify him as such.

[Antimage]

are cretans very different ethnically and culturally than mainland greeks? If you call cretans greeks, are they offended?

[Faklon]

Thats why most people classify him as such.

People classified him as such partly because of stylistics and residual lightness.
How are you making connections between Minoans(conventionally pre-IE) and the Steppe?


are cretans very different ethnically and culturally than mainland greeks? If you call cretans greeks, are they offended?

Who told you that, Alessio?

[Proto-Shaman]

People classified him as such partly because of stylistics and residual lightness.
How are you making connections between Minoans(conventionally pre-IE) and the Steppe?
I have met many Greeks who consider themselves as true Greeks of Pelasgian, Mycenian, Minoan or whatever ancesty, but not as IE's. So, yes, a pre-IE steppe connection is valid, since many pre-IE tribes of ancient Greece such as the horse-breeding Pelasgians came from the north-eastern territories.

[Faklon]

I have met many Greeks who consider themselves as true Greeks of Pelasgian, Mycenian, Minoan or whatever ancesty, but not as IE's. So, yes, a pre-IE steppe connection is valid, since many pre-IE tribes of ancient Greece such as the horse-breeding Pelasgians came from the north-eastern territories.

What modern people may consider themselves is irrelevant and their understanding of these entities varies.

Pelasgians is a very generic term, considered as a key term for Neolithic people most likely came from Anatolia and Aegean, can you give this citation of horse-breeding?

If it's about this, it's for Argos/Mycenaean stronghold.


Hellanicus of Mytilene, in Fragment 7 of the Argolica, concerns himself with one word in one line of the Iliad, "pasture-land of horses", applied to Argos in the Peloponnesus.

Where chariots seem to appear.

A connection that seems legit(anthropologically-wise) is via this work (http://dienekes.blogspot.gr/2006/05/anthropological-types-of-corded-ware.html).



The Yamna culture of the Pontic-Caspian steppe is recorded for an enormous territory between the North-Western Pontic area and Trans-Uralia. Its sites are known here in the basin of the Emba and Tobol rivers, the Karaganda region and further eastward (Merpert 1974). The Yamna population generally belongs to the European race. It was tall (175.5cm), dolichocephalic, with broad faces of medium height. Among them there were, however, more robust elements with high and wide faces of the proto-Europoid type, and also more gracile individuals with narrow and high faces, probably reflecting contacts with the East Mediterranean type (Kurts 1984: 90).

[aherne]

Whatever the case, this guy's phenotype has NOTHING in common with Minoans (although his ancestry may very well be largely Minoan). He inherits proto-Greek look... What is rare about him is that he has no Pelasgian (pre-Greek) influence.