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Ataman
03-13-2014, 02:33 AM
http://s2.glbimg.com/v1ErBRKvXXnR3y6uOENfD6qIPx1enadWA1VsFIqubcRIoz-HdGixxa_8qOZvMp3w/s.glbimg.com/es/ge/f/original/2012/07/30/hedvigkarakas_spice_selo_60.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img546/6264/26269425.jpg
http://www.mob.hu/images/sportagak/cselgancs/karakas2013id.jpg
http://www.papodebola.com.br/24horas/beladodia/hedvigkarakas.jpg
http://kep.cdn.index.hu/1/0/142/1423/14239/1423949_970ba51415e931b3d231498bcabc78c3_wm.jpg

blogen
03-13-2014, 06:39 AM
An Europo-Mongoloid Lapponoid, but she born in Szolnok and not in the Kunság, so what is the source of her ancestry?

Ataman
03-13-2014, 10:27 AM
An Europo-Mongoloid Lapponoid, but she born in Szolnok and not in the Kunság, so what is the source of her ancestry?

Her surname is kypchak/oghuz...Does it have a meaning in Magyar?

blogen
03-13-2014, 10:47 AM
Her surname is kypchak/oghuz...Does it have a meaning in Magyar?

Yes, the majority of the persons with Karakas surname are mostly Cumanians (http://www.radixindex.com/hu/adatbazisok/2/vezeteknev/karakas/keresztnev/) (Karakas = person with a black brow), but her name does not mean it that she is a Cumanian. I do not know her ethnic self-definition.

For example here is an ethnic Croatian Karakas: Vlado Karakas (https://www.facebook.com/vlado.karakas)!

Dasr
03-13-2014, 10:55 AM
there is a resemblance between hungarian and Swedish women
http://i61.tinypic.com/2qwd9is.jpg

blogen
03-13-2014, 11:21 AM
how do cumans from hungary look?

Great Cumanians (Nagykun (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/hu/e/e7/Nagykunsag.png)) from Karcag (sample size: 311) men/women:

Epicanthic fold:
weak: 30/26%
median: 38,8/37,7%
strong: 31,2/36,4%

Zygomatic bones:
flat: 70,6/58,7% (Europo-Mongoloid)
rounded: 16,9/34,8% (Europid)
narroved: 12,5/6,5% (Europid)

Eye color:
light (1a-4a): 15,6/13,5%
mixed (4b-8/10): 36,6/35,5%
dark (9-16): 48,8/51%

Hair color:
red (I-VI): 0/0%
blond (A-L): 1,9/1,9%
dark blond (M-O): 0/2,6%
dark/black (P-Y): 98,1/95,5%

Racial character:
Turanid: 28,6/35,6%
Taurid (Armenoid): 14,1/7,2%
Pamirid: 13,1/7,7%
Orientalid Mediterranoid: 10,2/5,8%
Dinarid: 5,3/2,4%
Alpinoid and Lapponoid: 1/5,3%
Eastbaltid: 2,4/1,9%
Mongoloid: 0,5/0,5% (Europo-Mongoloid with dominant Mongoloid character)
Nordoid: 0/0,5%
unidentifiable: 24,8/31,7%

plates:
http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/439/y991.jpg
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/2154/lffi.jpg
http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/3942/brm5.jpg
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/9606/0g4s.jpg
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/6601/9gl2.jpg

Turanids: 1-5
Turanoids: 6-15
Turano-Pamirids: 16-19
Pamiro-Turanid: 20
Pamiro-Turano-Armenoid: 21
Pamiroid+X: 22
Pamirid: 23-24
Pamiro-Armenoid: 25
Armenoid: 26-30
Mongoloid+X: 31
Orientalid: 32-36
Dinaroid: 37
Alpinid: 38
Turanid+East Baltid: 39
Turanid+Armenoid: 40
Armeno-Turanid: 41-42
Dinaro-Pamirid: 43
Turano-Dinarid: 44
Dinaro-Turanid: 45
Turano-Orientalid: 46
Orientalo-Turanid: 47
Turano-Lapponoid: 48

source: Dr. Henkey Gyula: Karcag népének etnikai embertani vizsgálata - Anthropologiai Közlemények, 1976 (http://www.djm.hu/files/docs/karnep.pdf)

blogen
03-13-2014, 11:38 AM
The Cumanians are one of the less Europo-Mongoloid ethnic Hungarian population in Hungary:

Percentage of the flat Zygomatic bone: 67,9% (100)

Kisalföld (southwestern Slovakia): 84,1% (123,85)
southern Transdanubia: 77,2% (113,69)
ethnic Magyar Székelys: 75,85% (111,7)
Eastern Hungary: 73,9% (108,83)
northern Transdanubia: 73,6% (108,39)
Northern Hungary: 69,3% (102,06)
ethnic Magyar Cumanians: 64,65% (95,21)
Central plain: 63,8% (93,96)
ethnic Magyar Jazygs: 62,57% (92,15)

Proto-Shaman
03-13-2014, 07:20 PM
Turano-Pontid + some West Baltid

Kiyant
04-24-2014, 11:34 PM
bump

SobieskisavedEurope
04-24-2014, 11:38 PM
Gorid - Turanid

Insuperable
04-24-2014, 11:41 PM
Proof of her Cuman ancestry? CM, zero Turanid (AsianAlpine with Mongoloid). U mad?

Smeagol
04-25-2014, 12:46 AM
She is not Cromagnid, she is clearly Mongoloid admixed.

Insuperable
04-25-2014, 12:50 AM
She is not Cromagnid, she is clearly Mongoloid admixed.

I am just teasing Turk who bumped the thread. So what would she be in your opinion?

Smeagol
04-25-2014, 12:52 AM
I am just teasing Turk who bumped the thread. So what would she be in your opinion?

I agree with blogen's classification basically.

random
05-21-2014, 06:23 AM
West Turanid. She's beautiful.

Proto-Shaman
05-21-2014, 08:48 AM
very interesting appearance:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?126322-Classify-Turkish-miner

turanist11
05-30-2014, 06:35 PM
An Europo-Mongoloid Lapponoid, but she born in Szolnok and not in the Kunság, so what is the source of her ancestry?

Turanid.
Cumans living everywhere in Hungary..

Hungarian_master
03-08-2015, 08:56 AM
Turanid+Baltid

blogen
03-08-2015, 12:42 PM
Turanid+Baltid

And what is her strong Cromagnoid heritage?

Taiga Lake
03-08-2015, 01:37 PM
mongol/mongol

Alphawolf
03-08-2015, 01:43 PM
One of the last surviving Turkic groups of Hungary.

blogen
03-08-2015, 01:54 PM
One of the last surviving Turkic groups of Hungary.

But the Cumanians are not Turkics in Hungary, because they don't speak any Turkic language since five hundred years ago!

Varhun
03-08-2015, 01:57 PM
She is of typical Eurasian type.

Alphawolf
03-08-2015, 01:59 PM
But the Cumanians are not Turkics in Hungary, because they don't speak any Turkic language since five hundred years ago!

Just because they assimilated into the Finno-Ugric group, does not change their Turkic origin and their morphology. Languages change, but the legacy remains.

blogen
03-08-2015, 02:19 PM
Just because they assimilated into the Finno-Ugric group, does not change their Turkic origin and their morphology. Languages change, but the legacy remains.

They don't have Turkic legacy. Except few surname. They are totally Hungarians culturally without any Turkic heritage. And the Hungarian scholars discovered it in the 19th century only that the Cumanian's language was Turkic once.