Ethiopians = triracials??

[Mazik]

From HarappaDNA (the best project for Africans) and the spreadsheet for their latest calc.
Link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AuW3R0Ys-P4HdDhib1M5OE1wWENNb2haUFFWZzNBMEE&type=view&gid=0&f=true&sortcolid=-1&sortasc=true&page=1&rowsperpage=250

Let's check what the Ethiopians scores, this also includes the Ethiopians from the Omoro and tygray/tigray regions.

Ethiopians:

Caucasian: 6%
Mediterranean: 4%
SW_Asian: 35%
East African: 51%

Omoro Ethiopians:

Caucasian: 7%
Mediterranean: 4%
SW_Asian: 29%
East African: 57%

Tygray/Tigray Ethiopians:

Caucasian: 11%
Mediterranean: 5%
SW_Asian: 33%
East_African: 49%

It's mostly visible among Tigray Ethiopians it seems!

Should Ethiopians now more be known as triracials? Discuss!

[GrebluBro]

So obviously pure East African would be more blacker with much less Caucasoid (i.e more Negroid) features if 45-50% Caucasoid (South-West Asian + Mediterranean + Caucasian etc) wasn't there

~90% East African Gomez women

http://cmfi.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/P5020416.jpghttp://www.acfowler.com/myimages/A%20Gumuz%20lady%20listening%20to%20the%20telling% 20of%20a%20Bible%20story.JPG

[Smeagol]

So obviously pure East African would be more blacker with much less Caucasoid (i.e more Negroid) features if 45-50% Caucasoid (South-West Asian + Mediterranean + Caucasian etc) wasn't there

Depends. There are some very Caucasoid looking Tutsis, who I think score about 95% of the East African component. I don't think we should be trying to link genetic results to racial types/phenotypes.

[Arcadefire]

Ethopia is the only country in Africa to have never been colonized. I think they are just a europid variant of the Negroid branch.

[GrebluBro]

Depends. There are some very Caucasoid looking Tutsis, who I think score about 95% of the East African component. I don't think we should be trying to link genetic results to racial types/phenotypes.

So many Mulattos look like Ethiopians.... so transparent

[Argang]

So obviously pure East African would be more blacker with much less Caucasoid (i.e more Negroid) features if 45-50% Caucasoid (South-West Asian + Mediterranean + Caucasian etc) wasn't there

Harappaworld East African peaks in Gumuz (over 90%). They don't look like omoro etc

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_REtNdXkheJQ/Ru_QIoB3hEI/AAAAAAAABMg/je2YcNSQeoU/s320/Gumuz.jpg

[Smeagol]

So many Mulattos look like Ethiopians.... so transparent

American mulattoes never look like Ethiopians. In fact, genetically an average Ethiopian would be closer to Europeans, and Middle Easterners than to black Americans.

[GrebluBro]

Ethopia is the only country in Africa to have never been colonized. I think they are just a europid variant of the Negroid branch.


It's meaningless to consider just past 2000 years partially recorded history..

Ancient Egyptians defaced ancient Ethiopians and also vice versa

[GrebluBro]

Harappaworld East African peaks in Gumuz (over 90%). They don't look like omoro etc

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_REtNdXkheJQ/Ru_QIoB3hEI/AAAAAAAABMg/je2YcNSQeoU/s320/Gumuz.jpg



American mulattoes never look like Ethiopians. In fact, genetically an average Ethiopian would be closer to Europeans, and Middle Easterners than to black Americans.

Gumuz (90% East African as other user said)..How do they loook?

http://www.acfowler.com/myimages/16%20typical%20Gumuz%20decorative%20facial%20scarr ing.JPGhttp://cmfi.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/P5020416.jpghttp://www.acfowler.com/myimages/A%20Gumuz%20lady%20listening%20to%20the%20telling% 20of%20a%20Bible%20story.JPG

[Smeagol]

It's meaningless to consider just past 2000 years partially recorded history..

Ancient Egyptians defaced ancient Ethiopians and also vice versa

Well, Italy conquered Ethiopia, but the ancient Egyptians never really went that far south.

Egyptian Empire at it's maximum extent (1450 BC):
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/Egypt_1450_BC.svg

[Smeagol]

Gumuz (90% East African as other user said)..How do they loook?

Nilotids mostly. Would not pass as black Americans.

[GrebluBro]

Nilotids mostly. Would not pass as black Americans.

Are they Caucasoids?

[Smeagol]

Are they Caucasoids?

No, of course not, but they're very different from the descendants of Sudanid-Palaenegrid slaves in my country.

[GrebluBro]

No, of course not, but they're very different from the descendants of Sudanid-Palaenegrid slaves in my country.

Ofc not..Aframs are entirely West Africans with a dose of Angolans..


You lump these pure East Africans into Negroids?

[Smeagol]

Ofc not..Aframs are entirely West Africans with a dose of Angolans..


You lump these pure East Africans into Negroids?

Yes, Nilotids are Negrids. People like Tutsis are transitional between Europid and Negrid, with Europid often, but not always being stronger.

[Shah-Jehan]

No, most Ethiopians are Caucasoid especially the Semites of Ethiopia i.e Habesha people(s).

[GrebluBro]

No, most Ethiopians are Caucasoid especially the Semites of Ethiopia i.e Habesha people(s).

c'mon we should go by genetic results not by anything else..

did you see how almost pure East Africans indigenous to Ethiopia look like?

[Shah-Jehan]

c'mon we should go by genetic results not by anything else..

did you see how almost pure East Africans indigenous to Ethiopia look like?

Look at the classification thread Methusalem posted some time ago on Ethiopians.

People there look like pigmented Arabs and Iranians.

[GrebluBro]

Look at the classification thread Methusalem posted some time ago on Ethiopians.

People there look like pigmented Arabs and Iranians.

He cherry picked pseudo-Arab looking Women...Here the point is how pure East African or pure Ethiopian would look..
It's obvious most of present Ethiopians are just half pure now (as OP posted genetic results) and still many don't look pred Caucasoid..

[Shah-Jehan]

He cherry picked pseudo-Arab looking Women...Here the point is how pure East African or pure Ethiopian would look..
It's obvious most of present Ethiopians are just half pure now (as OP posted genetic results) and still many don't look pred Caucasoid..
Not that one, go to my recent post history and look em up.

[Smeagol]

c'mon we should go by genetic results not by anything else..

Go by genetic results for what?


did you see how almost pure East Africans indigenous to Ethiopia look like?

Well there are also pure or nearly pure East Africans who are between Negrid, and Europid

They're called South Aethiopids. They have a much stronger Negrid (Nilotid) influence than classical Aethiopids.

Some examples:
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg845/scaled.php?server=845&filename=webboldmassaiwarrior250.jpg&res=medium

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg847/scaled.php?server=847&filename=maasaiman.jpg&res=medium

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg845/scaled.php?server=845&filename=massai.jpg&res=medium

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg824/scaled.php?server=824&filename=glowatzkirassen6bw3.jpg&res=medium

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg812/scaled.php?server=812&filename=nkunda.png&res=medium

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg257/scaled.php?server=257&filename=tutsi2.jpg&res=medium

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg214/scaled.php?server=214&filename=tutsi3.jpg&res=medium

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg690/scaled.php?server=690&filename=tutsi2.jpg&res=medium

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg135/scaled.php?server=135&filename=tutsi3.jpg&res=medium

[Shah-Jehan]

Here it is
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?118608-Classify-these-men-from-Central-North-Ethiopian-highland-region

http://imageshack.com/a/img822/1286/yl8b.png
^The above Aetheopid individual has heavy resemble to my grandfather who has an Iranic phenotype, just make his skin lighter and he can pass in the Iranian peninsula.

Look at this Nord-Iranid/cro-magnid individual and compare.
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/4631/kurd12hu.jpg

[Mazik]

From the spreadsheet:

Ethiopian-Jews:

Caucasian: 6%
Mediterranean: 4%
SW_Asian: 35%
East African: 50%

Amhara Ethiopians:

Caucasian: 10%
Mediterranean: 4%
SW_Asian: 33%
East African: 51%

[armenianbodyhair]

Here it is
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?118608-Classify-these-men-from-Central-North-Ethiopian-highland-region

http://imageshack.com/a/img822/1286/yl8b.png
^The above Aetheopid individual has heavy resemble to my grandfather who has an Iranic phenotype, just make his skin lighter and he can pass in the Iranian peninsula.

You can't actually know that for sure, half his face is covered by a beard and there is no side shot.

[Shah-Jehan]

You can't actually know that for sure, half his face is covered by a beard and there is no side shot.

well, the skull, nose shape, cheeks etc are showing.

[GrebluBro]

well, the skull, nose shape, cheeks etc are showing.

whatz so hard to understand that people you think of are just half East African as genetic results prove...

half Mongoloid half European is similar to Korean?

[armenianbodyhair]

well, the skull, nose shape, cheeks etc are showing.

Still it's hard to know if someone has a heavy resemblance to another person if you don't know what the bottom half of their face looks like and you've never seen a profile shot.

[Mazik]

Bump

[Anglojew]

There was an ancient Indian empire ruling South Arabia and East Africa. The Kabaa was a Hindu shrine http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/01/04/is-the-kaaba-an-ancient-hindu-shiva-temple-confiscated-by-mohammed/

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Phenotypically like Ethiopians share some caucasoid features unlike Somali or other African counterparts.

[Mazik]

Only a few Ethiopians look somewhat Caucasoid-influenced. In general the average Joe is not even able to distinguish Ethiopians from other Africans. No matter what some self-hating horners here wants you to believe.

This is the same phenomena as the nordicist Italians who wants their people to appear much more nordic-looking, by just posting lighter pigmented Italians etc. But in this case it's a Horner who wants to make his people appear much more caucasoid.

It's all about self-hate for being too dark and nilotic-looking. Most Ethiopians are very nilotic looking rather than "pigmented nord-iranids" or whatever you believe.

[Graham]

Mazik don't start another fight. The both of youse. There's better things to do, than to argue on internet message-boards arbitrarily.

[Kiyant]

Mazik don't start another fight. The both of youse. There's better things to do, than to argue on internet message-boards arbitrarily.

For that reason i think we can close this Thread dont you think?

[Anglojew]

It's probably one of the least understood and most forgotten and mysterious periods but there's lots of evidence of a Hindu Sea Empire stretching from East Africa and Arabia to today's Indonesia;
http://vedicempire.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=66&Itemid=27
http://www.hinduwisdom.info/India_and_Egypt.htm

[Lux Aeterna]

Very informative thread as usual :nod: keep it up compadre :thumb001:

[Elsa]

Thread reopened.

Please stop closing it.

[Mazik]

It's probably one of the least understood and most forgotten and mysterious periods but there's lots of evidence of a Hindu Sea Empire stretching from East Africa and Arabia to today's Indonesia;
http://vedicempire.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=66&Itemid=27
http://www.hinduwisdom.info/India_and_Egypt.htm

Interesting, I will take a look at the links you posted :)

[Amud]

Isn't there supposed to be a Capoid component in some East Africans? That could just be included under the "East African" header, though.

[Smeagol]

Isn't there supposed to be a Capoid component in some East Africans? That could just be included under the "East African" header, though.

There is. not a very significant one, but there were once Capoids (Khoisanids) much farther north than their present territory.

[Dombra]

Thread reopened.

Please stop closing it.

Entertainment? :pop2:

[Prisoner Of Ice]

First off everyone is a triracial to some degree. All mixtures go outward clinally, and looking at arbitrarily definied components like nilotic or east african component is not going to tell you about more ancient admixture.

But even khoi san, who never mixed with europeans, show they have not only neanderthal DNA but also some SE asian DNA. Archaeologically we pretty much know they came into africa only about 6500 years ago because they made cave art on way into africa, with newer cave art further and further into africa! So what was once thought to be oldest african people is now known to have come to africa very recently.

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/07/west-eurasian-admixture-in-khoe-san-via.html

It's a similar but even more pronounced story for ethiopians. They are really some west asian-like types that came to africa and darkened up. They are not very related to negroid types at all in the first place.

[Mazik]

First off everyone is a triracial to some degree. All mixtures go outward clinally, and looking at arbitrarily definied components like nilotic or east african component is not going to tell you about more ancient admixture.


What you can do is look up the fst distances between the components. A long distance => less common origin.


But even khoi san, who never mixed with europeans, show they have not only neanderthal DNA but also some SE asian DNA. Archaeologically we pretty much know they came into africa only about 6500 years ago because they made cave art on way into africa, with newer cave art further and further into africa! So what was once thought to be oldest african people is now known to have come to africa very recently.

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/07/west-eurasian-admixture-in-khoe-san-via.html

They are partly West Eurasian, due to a West Eurasian mixed East African group, that has mixed with them. Not all their ancestors belong to these West Eurasians.


It's a similar but even more pronounced story for ethiopians. They are really some west asian-like types that came to africa and darkened up. They are not very related to negroid types at all in the first place.

They are just part west Asian. Who are mixed with MENA and East Africans.

[StonyArabia]

Ethiopians are not triracials if anything they represent the parent group to the Caucasoid group actually.

[Argang]

What you can do is look up the fst distances between the components. A long distance => less common origin.

Not entirely. Fst-distances are also increased by genetic drift and not just distant origin. Amerindians and east asians for example are very drifted and look as distant from europeans as SSA fst-wise, but in genomewide similarity are much closer to all west eurasians. Can be seen in practise in 23andMe's tools, any european or middle easterner (bar maybe admixed yemenis) has more genomewide similarity to Chinese and Japanese than to Nigerian.