My grandfather's Doctor Mcdonald results

[Sehnsucht]

I just received my grandfather's BGA analysis results from Doctor Mcdonald today. I think it is time for me to sentence myself to death for not having at least 25% German ancestry.


Here is what he said about the data:


"Most likely fit is 91.4% (+- 5.4%) Europe (all Northeast Europe)
and 8.6% (+- 5.4%) Mideast (various subcontinents)
The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Poland= 0.920 Sephardic= 0.080 or
Poland= 0.912 Jewish= 0.088 or
Poland= 0.941 Palestinia= 0.059 or
Poland= 0.945 Bedouin_No= 0.055 or
Poland= 0.949 Egyptian= 0.051 or
Poland= 0.938 Druze= 0.062 or
Poland= 0.960 Bedouin_So= 0.040 or
Lithuania= 0.801 Jewish= 0.199 or
Poland= 0.953 Moroccan= 0.047 or
Lithuania= 0.817 Sephardic= 0.183
Second most likely fit is 77.6% (+- 11.2%) Europe (all Northeast Europe)
and 22.4% (+- 11.2%) Europe (various subcontinents)
which is 100% total Europe
The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Poland= 0.905 Sicily= 0.095 or
Poland= 0.878 Tuscan= 0.122 or
Lithuania= 0.789 Sicily= 0.211 or
Poland= 0.834 Spain= 0.166 or
Poland= 0.744 French= 0.256 or
Poland= 0.858 Italian= 0.142 or
Poland= 0.503 English= 0.497 or
Poland= 0.831 Romania= 0.169 or
Poland= 0.682 Hungary= 0.318 or
Lithuania= 0.736 Tuscan= 0.264
a custom fit says:
English 0.3404 Germany 0.6596 or
English 0.7348 Belorus 0.2652 or
English 0.6957 Poland 0.3043 or
French 0.2870 Germany 0.7130 or
English 0.7678 Lithuania 0.2322 or
English 0.5379 Hungary 0.4621
Take your pick ... but most important is
the green map spot."

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http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt279/german24/Karl_Wittenberg_Full_20140213211020BGA3_zps7061922 e.png
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Look at all the Mideast on the chromosomes. I think it's a good day to die

[Ataman]

So he's partially jewish.

[Shah-Jehan]

Look at all the Mideast on the chromosomes. I think it's a good day to die

What kind of person are you even that you want your grandpa to die?

[Sehnsucht]

I'm seriously going to off myself as a result of these results. I'm goona cut that major artery in my neck with a hobby knive

[Ataman]

I'm seriously going to off myself as a result of these results. I'm goona cut that major artery in my neck with a hobby knive

Blame the jews.

[1stLightHorse]

:lol: Ancestry doesn't make you anything. You make your ancestry something, so calm down.

[Sehnsucht]

The spot on the map shows the green dot in the Netherlands (supposedly covering the red dot there are no other dots on the map), the PCA plots show clustering in or near Germany and the quantitative or whatever they are called results, (you know where he says “most likely fit is....” ) 100% or mostly Europe ( the most likely fit shows 10% or so Mideast I assume this is normal for European persons, the custom fit is 100% Europe), so these are in concurrence with being pure or almost pure European.

But what is very eyebrow raising is the chromosome painting, where I see these huge purple Mideast segments instead of being completely red. That’s gotta be at least 10-20% Mideastern ancestry. I am very perplexed why there is so much Mideast on the chromosomes while the other results from Mcdonald seem to suggest European. Based on these results, can you make any guesses as to what my grandfather’s ancestry/ancestries may be? There is a good reason why I didn’t tell Mcdonald before sending the raw data. I don’t expect you to pinpoint an exact country in Europe, I just want to know if he tested essentially European or has some Mideast/Jewish ancestry because there is family lore that one or both of his paternal grandparents was Jewish, not sure if this is true.

[Anglojew]

Why do you care about your Grandfather's Doctors results?

[Stormer99]

a custom fit says:
English 0.3404 Germany 0.6596 or
English 0.7348 Belorus 0.2652 or
English 0.6957 Poland 0.3043 or
French 0.2870 Germany 0.7130 or
English 0.7678 Lithuania 0.2322 or
English 0.5379 Hungary 0.4621
Take your pick ... but most important is
the green map spot."

[Argang]

Looks typical anglo/continental mix, though the continental is a bit more eastern than usual.

[Sehnsucht]

Looks typical anglo/continental mix, though the continental is a bit more eastern than usual.

Than what in the bloody hell is up with all that Mideast on the chromosomes???

[Oneeye]

Is he tested with 23andme? Does he have anything odd popping up in ancestry composition?

[Sehnsucht]

Is he tested with 23andme? Does he have anything odd popping up in ancestry composition?


Here is his chromosome painting at 23andme Ancestry Compositon (speculative)

http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt279/german24/KarlWittenbergSpeculativeviewchromosomes_zps722e94 94.png

Except for the .1% East Asian it is all various shades of blue (European) with no Mideast, not even Southern European corresponding with the Mideast bars on Mcdonald's chromosome painting.


But I always thought that (based on what people have said) the ancestry painting from 23andme was bullshit and the real accurate one was Dr Mcdonald.

[Argang]

McDonald changes his algorithm occasionally, and sometimes painting changes too which is not a big deal. Numbers matter more, that amount of middle eastern affinity is normal for the regions of his ancestry, and as such he can be custom fitted as a full English + German mix.

[Oneeye]

Here is his chromosome painting at 23andme Ancestry Compositon (speculative)

http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt279/german24/KarlWittenbergSpeculativeviewchromosomes_zps722e94 94.png

Except for the .1% East Asian it is all various shades of blue (European) with no Mideast, not even Southern European corresponding with the Mideast bars on Mcdonald's chromosome painting.


But I always thought that (based on what people have said) the ancestry painting from 23andme was bullshit and the real accurate one was Dr Mcdonald.


He looks pretty German American to me, with a bit of British Isle ancestry. I personally think that 23andme's painting is more accurate as to whether or not someone actually has Middle Eastern ancestry.

[Figaro]

A psuedo-Jewish "like" look seems to be found among a lot of Swabians. Your German side come from there at all?

[Sehnsucht]

A psuedo-Jewish "like" look seems to be found among a lot of Swabians. Your German side come from there at all?

My German side (regarding my paternal grandfather, who we are discussing in this thread) comes from Pomerania, no Swabian as far as I know.

[Stormer99]

My German side (regarding my paternal grandfather, who we are discussing in this thread) comes from Pomerania, no Swabian as far as I know.

That explains the Eastern Euro for one.

[d3cimat3d]

I think it is time for me to sentence myself to death for not having at least 25% German ancestry.



I'm seriously going to off myself as a result of these results. I'm goona cut that major artery in my neck with a hobby knive

That's just pathetic man..... is being German really that important to you?

[Sehnsucht]

That's just pathetic man..... is being German really that important to you?

Yes....being German is really that important. If I am not German then I am not like everyone else.

[TheBlondeSalad]

Yes....being German is really that important. If I am not German then I am not like everyone else.

Hitler, is it you?

[Figaro]

Yes....being German is really that important. If I am not German then I am not like everyone else.

That is some strange, downright inaccurate logic...I don't know what the demographics in your immediate area are, but I've known plenty of long established white americans with no known German ancestry.

[Sehnsucht]

That is some strange, downright inaccurate logic...I don't know what the demographics in your immediate area are, but I've known plenty of long established white americans with no known German ancestry.

I've seen the easter bunny plenty of times with my own eyes, too

[Figaro]

I've seen the easter bunny plenty of times with my own eyes, too

Haha....where is this coming from? How did you come to this conclusion that 100% of White-Americans are at least partially German?

[Oneeye]

Haha....where is this coming from? How did you come to this conclusion that 100% of White-Americans are at least partially German?

All REAL Americans have at least partial German ancestry. :heh:

[Sehnsucht]

McDonald changes his algorithm occasionally, and sometimes painting changes too which is not a big deal. Numbers matter more, that amount of middle eastern affinity is normal for the regions of his ancestry, and as such he can be custom fitted as a full English + German mix.

What does it mean when he does those custom fits?

[Argang]

What does it mean when he does those custom fits?

He tries to see if an individual can be fitted between only certain pre-selected populations. If it can, you get results for the custom fit.

[JQP4545]

Imo the Mideast is just a correction to the general fit.

Poland= 0.744 French= 0.256

seems about right. In fact considering you are actually half French you are surprisingly Northern European. My mom is half German (Southwest), 37.5% Irish, and 12.5% French Canadian. Here are her custom results:


English 0.8661 Basque 0.0363 Jewish 0.0976 or

Irish 0.3353 French 0.6303 Jewish 0.0344 or

Irish 0.3647 French 0.5900 Sephardic 0.0453 or

English 0.8321 Spain 0.0827 Jewish 0.0853

Her German seems to be all French and some of the Irish are "Old English" (Anglo-Norman) so the Jewish/Mideast + the Irish = Irish and English. You really are incredibly Northern considering you are half French.

[Argang]

Imo the Mideast is just a correction to the general fit.

Poland= 0.744 French= 0.256

seems about right. In fact considering you are actually half French you are surprisingly Northern European. My mom is half German (Southwest), 37.5% Irish, and 12.5% French Canadian. Here are her custom results:


English 0.8661 Basque 0.0363 Jewish 0.0976 or

Irish 0.3353 French 0.6303 Jewish 0.0344 or

Irish 0.3647 French 0.5900 Sephardic 0.0453 or

English 0.8321 Spain 0.0827 Jewish 0.0853

Her German seems to be all French and some of the Irish are "Old English" (Anglo-Norman) so the Jewish/Mideast + the Irish = Irish and English. You really are incredibly Northern considering you are half French.

Poland/French is HH's grandfather's fit (and plots in Germany), but you're right, McDonald's mideast really does function as a generic adjustment for more "southernness".

[Sehnsucht]

Poland/French is HH's grandfather's fit (and plots in Germany), but you're right, McDonald's mideast really does function as a generic adjustment for more "southernness".

Poland/French is close enough to my grandfather's real ancestry, he's actually German/French but shows a strong affinity to Poland. Probably this has to do with Pomeranian ancestry I want to think the Polish affinity must come from his Pomeranian German side. Though my grandfather is half German half French Mcdonald's fit is not half/half, actually it's 3/4 Poland 1/4 French, which is interesting because I would have expected a stronger French pull.

But Polish/French just averages out a typical German. It must also not be uncommon for some Germans to test plain Polish as well, especially eastern Germans where there is more Slavic genes. Pomeranian Germans probably have a strong affinity to Poland.

Nobody knows for sure if the Mideast on his chromosomes comes from the French Canadian side or due to his German ancestry being Jewish.

His X chromosome is interesting though, it has both Mideastern and South Asian. We can be sure that that admixture had to come from his mom, the French side since males don't pass X chromsoome to males.

[JQP4545]

Poland/French is close enough to my grandfather's real ancestry, he's actually German/French but shows a strong affinity to Poland. Probably this has to do with Pomeranian ancestry I want to think the Polish affinity must come from his Pomeranian German side. Though my grandfather is half German half French Mcdonald's fit is not half/half, actually it's 3/4 Poland 1/4 French, which is interesting because I would have expected a stronger French pull.

But Polish/French just averages out a typical German. It must also not be uncommon for some Germans to test plain Polish as well, especially eastern Germans where there is more Slavic genes. Pomeranian Germans probably have a strong affinity to Poland.

Nobody knows for sure if the Mideast on his chromosomes comes from the French Canadian side or due to his German ancestry being Jewish.

His X chromosome is interesting though, it has both Mideastern and South Asian. We can be sure that that admixture had to come from his mom, the French side since males don't pass X chromsoome to males.

Didn't you know that French Canadians have Jewish heritage? http://www.jewlicious.com/2004/07/french-canadians-are-jewlicious/

My mother's results from the Doctor basically indicate that her French Canadian heritage is fully Jewish or something similar such as Tuscan or Greek.

[Sehnsucht]

I just received a comment on my grandfathers results today at the 23andme community from King Genome.

"Your grandfathers results look very Ashkenazi/European Jew for both parents or one parent from Eastern Europe and the other European Jew, and probably a better fit. If I had to guess where he was from, the top choices would be Germany, Austria, Poland, or maybe even the Czech Republic or anywhere from this area and up to Lithuania. This is because his highest McDonald's population fits show his affinity definitely clusters with Eastern Europe, but North and South. You will notice your grandfathers Jewish shows as both Ashkenazi and Sephardic, with a smaller Middle Eastern (Bedouin, Palestine, Druze) and North African (Morocco), which IMO solidifies the Jewish. His McDonald first continental breakdown shows Northeast European @ 91.4% and the second continental breakdown shows @ 77.6%, which is more consistent with Ashkenazi that Sephardic or Mizrahi. Although the second fit shows more Southeastern Europe (Balkans) and Italy, I suspect this is pull between the north and south, landing you back to somewhere like Austria or Germany (or someplace nearby). ….
I notice he had British Isles contributions, but this includes ancestry from 700(+-) miles in either direction so the French, which is difficult to separate from German, and Iberian contributions might be real. I just read your comment about his PCA plotting in the Netherlands, and this is probably a great average point between British Isles and German+Eastern Euro affinity.
In population continental breakdown, your father-in-law's Middle East with McDonald is rather iffy and probably relates to his Jewish shared ancestral populations with this region. However it could also mean something is not real or not all Middle Eastern especially if you consider the high margin of era at 5(+-) points, which is rather high."