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Proto-Shaman
03-18-2014, 06:13 PM
Rus güçleri 3 çocuk babası Kırım Tatarını işkenceyle öldürdü.

http://qha.com.ua/rus-gucleri-3-cocuk-babasi-kirim-tatarini-iskenceyle-oldurdu-131354tr.html


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d4dgdSShBg

IceSwan
03-18-2014, 07:04 PM
http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs50/i/2009/305/4/4/War_of_the_Worlds_by_ashartos.jpg

"On Sunday, October 30, 1938, millions of radio listeners were shocked when radio news alerts announced the arrival of Martians. They panicked when they learned of the Martians' ferocious and seemingly unstoppable attack on Earth. Many ran out of their homes screaming while others packed up their cars and fled.

Though what the radio listeners heard was a portion of Orson Welles' adaptation of the well-known book, War of the Worlds by H. G. Wells, many of the listeners believed what they heard on the radio was real."

http://history1900s.about.com/od/1930s/a/warofworlds.htm

Proto-Shaman
03-18-2014, 07:34 PM
Crimea actually belongs to Crimean Tatars and not Martians.

Ivan Kramskoï
03-18-2014, 07:39 PM
Filthy turk propaganda.

Crn Volk
03-18-2014, 11:43 PM
Crimea actually belongs to Crimean Tatars and not Martians.

Not according to the majority of the population.

Proto-Shaman
03-18-2014, 11:46 PM
Not according to the majority of the population.
They can gladly piss off from my land!

Crn Volk
03-18-2014, 11:48 PM
They can gladly piss off from my land!

Your land? Try and take it.

RussiaPrussia
03-18-2014, 11:55 PM
they didnt

RussiaPrussia
03-19-2014, 12:12 AM
Rus güçleri 3 çocuk babası Kırım Tatarını işkenceyle öldürdü.

http://qha.com.ua/rus-gucleri-3-cocuk-babasi-kirim-tatarini-iskenceyle-oldurdu-131354tr.html


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d4dgdSShBg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDLwu4E35us

did you even heard what putin said about crimean tatars in crimea, take a listen to it

Proto-Shaman
03-19-2014, 12:13 AM
they didnt
and you also didn't killed hundreds of Turkologists?

Proto-Shaman
03-19-2014, 12:16 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDLwu4E35us

did you even heard what putin said about crimean tatars in crimea, take a listen to it
He should first allow education in Bashkir language as a mother tongue at school in Bashkortostan.

Prisoner Of Ice
03-19-2014, 12:18 AM
Crimea actually belongs to Crimean Tatars and not Martians.

They stole it fair and square I guess.

Crn Volk
03-19-2014, 12:19 AM
and you also didn't killed hundreds of Turkologists?

And how many Slavs have Turks and Turkics slaughtered throughout history? Don't play innocent here.

Proto-Shaman
03-19-2014, 12:21 AM
And how many Slavs have Turks and Turkics slaughtered throughout history? Don't play innocent here.
Lol... the Mongol yoke actually never happened.

Proto-Shaman
03-19-2014, 12:22 AM
They stole it fair and square I guess.
yeah by genociding.

Sarmatian
03-19-2014, 07:50 AM
yeah by genociding.

Actually by fighting against Crimean slave trade. Then most of Crimean nobility was wiped out in the Battle of Molodi. With no effective ruling and main source of income (slave trade) being halted the Khanate degraded and was easily taken over by Russian Empire without any significant confrontation.

Some Tatars didn’t like the idea of living under Russian rule and fled to Ottomans. But nobody forced them out, it was their own preference. As far as I’m aware those who stayed were living fine as long as Russian Empire lasted. It was Stalin who mistreated them but today this thing is acknowledged by Russia and Tatars will receive full rehabilitation.

Mortimer
03-19-2014, 07:58 AM
horror propaganda to blackpaint russia, the media is so fucking anti-russian, yesterday i watched news and they said putin is a megalomoniac and he wants a war etc. they straight out insulted the russian president as if he is a tyrann

Siberian Cold Breeze
03-19-2014, 08:46 AM
I feel very disappointed and ashamed that I'm Mongolian! I need to give up my nationality! Kalmyks don't have anything to do with Ukraine ...if Mongolia supports Russians to do what they are doing in Ukraine it means they are supporting them to do the same everywhere else, including Kalmykia, Buryatia etc..There are too many Russian rats in Buryatia, Kalmykia and everywhere else. Good thing that Mongols at least kicked them out from Mongolia in 90s, they could've attacked Mongolia too....
First they send too many hungry Russians everywhere, then they come and "protect " them with guns and tanks....I hate Russians!

Exactly what they did in Crimea .

Methmatician
03-19-2014, 10:50 AM
From HumanRightsWatch.org (http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/03/18/crimea-disappeared-man-found-killed)


Crimea: Disappeared Man Found Killed

(Simferopol) – Crimean authorities should urgently conduct a thorough investigation into the enforced disappearance and subsequent killing of Reshat Ametov, a Crimean Tatar from the Simferopol region, and bring the perpetrators to justice.

Ametov’s relatives told Human Rights Watch that he was last seen during a protest on March 3, 2014, on Lenin Square in Simferopol, Ukraine, where three unidentified men in military-style jackets had led him away. Relatives’ efforts to locate him, including through a complaint to the police, were unsuccessful. On March 16, local police informed them that a body bearing marks of violent death had been found outside the town of Belogorsk. On March 17, the family identified the body as Ametov’s.

“The disappearance and murder of Reshat Ametov illustrates the climate of lawlessness that has been pervasive in Crimea over the last week,” said Rachel Denber, deputy Europe and Central Asia director at Human Rights Watch. “Crimean authorities have a duty to thoroughly investigate this case and punish those responsible, whoever they are.”

Ametov, a 39-year-old seasonal construction worker and the father of three young children, was well known in the Crimean Tatar community. Ametov had regularly petitioned local authorities regarding problems in his neighborhood and discussed on his Facebook page issues related to the situation of Crimean Tatars and the future of Crimea, a relative told Human Rights Watch.

On the morning of March 3, Ametov went to Lenin Square, where a small peaceful protest was taking place in front of the Crimean Council of Ministers building. He did not return home that night, and his wife contacted other relatives the following morning. They filed a police report and started making inquiries among people who had been at the protest.

Ametov’s relative told Human Rights Watch that witnesses who had been at the square said that at around 10 a.m. Ametov had passed through the line of men from self-defense units and approached a group of armed men in green uniforms. Footage from ATR (Crimean television channel) shows two men in green uniforms and one in a black uniform, all without insignias, leading Ametov away from the square.

Ametov’s relative submitted a missing person report to the local police, who opened an investigation. But in the two weeks following his enforced disappearance, the family did not receive any information about Ametov’s whereabouts or fate.

On March 16, local police in the town of Belogorsk, 45 kilometers east of Simferopol, informed Teifuk Gafarov, a lawyer with the Mejlis, the Crimean Tatar representative body, that local villagers had found a man’s body in a nearby forest. The next day, Ametov’s wife identified the body as her husband’s.

Local media reports suggested that the body bore marks of torture and that there was transparent tape wrapped around Ametov’s head and hands. Human Rights Watch was not able to verify these reports, but Ametov’s relative said the local police told him that the death was registered as “violent.” Ametov’s relatives have not yet been able to retrieve either his body or the death certificate from the mortuary.

Human Rights Watch previously documented abuses committed by Crimean self-defense forces and unidentified military forces across Crimea, and called on the Crimean authorities to disarm and disband these units and prosecute those responsible for abuses. (http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/03/14/crimea-attacks-disappearances-illegal-forces)

“For weeks, armed masked men who refuse to identify themselves have harassed and intimidated people,” Denber said. “Failure to call a halt to this mistreatment and investigate would only embolden the people responsible for the abuse.”

Kiyant
03-19-2014, 12:23 PM
From HumanRightsWatch.org (http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/03/18/crimea-disappeared-man-found-killed)


Crimea: Disappeared Man Found Killed

(Simferopol) – Crimean authorities should urgently conduct a thorough investigation into the enforced disappearance and subsequent killing of Reshat Ametov, a Crimean Tatar from the Simferopol region, and bring the perpetrators to justice.

Ametov’s relatives told Human Rights Watch that he was last seen during a protest on March 3, 2014, on Lenin Square in Simferopol, Ukraine, where three unidentified men in military-style jackets had led him away. Relatives’ efforts to locate him, including through a complaint to the police, were unsuccessful. On March 16, local police informed them that a body bearing marks of violent death had been found outside the town of Belogorsk. On March 17, the family identified the body as Ametov’s.

“The disappearance and murder of Reshat Ametov illustrates the climate of lawlessness that has been pervasive in Crimea over the last week,” said Rachel Denber, deputy Europe and Central Asia director at Human Rights Watch. “Crimean authorities have a duty to thoroughly investigate this case and punish those responsible, whoever they are.”

Ametov, a 39-year-old seasonal construction worker and the father of three young children, was well known in the Crimean Tatar community. Ametov had regularly petitioned local authorities regarding problems in his neighborhood and discussed on his Facebook page issues related to the situation of Crimean Tatars and the future of Crimea, a relative told Human Rights Watch.

On the morning of March 3, Ametov went to Lenin Square, where a small peaceful protest was taking place in front of the Crimean Council of Ministers building. He did not return home that night, and his wife contacted other relatives the following morning. They filed a police report and started making inquiries among people who had been at the protest.

Ametov’s relative told Human Rights Watch that witnesses who had been at the square said that at around 10 a.m. Ametov had passed through the line of men from self-defense units and approached a group of armed men in green uniforms. Footage from ATR (Crimean television channel) shows two men in green uniforms and one in a black uniform, all without insignias, leading Ametov away from the square.

Ametov’s relative submitted a missing person report to the local police, who opened an investigation. But in the two weeks following his enforced disappearance, the family did not receive any information about Ametov’s whereabouts or fate.

On March 16, local police in the town of Belogorsk, 45 kilometers east of Simferopol, informed Teifuk Gafarov, a lawyer with the Mejlis, the Crimean Tatar representative body, that local villagers had found a man’s body in a nearby forest. The next day, Ametov’s wife identified the body as her husband’s.

Local media reports suggested that the body bore marks of torture and that there was transparent tape wrapped around Ametov’s head and hands. Human Rights Watch was not able to verify these reports, but Ametov’s relative said the local police told him that the death was registered as “violent.” Ametov’s relatives have not yet been able to retrieve either his body or the death certificate from the mortuary.

Human Rights Watch previously documented abuses committed by Crimean self-defense forces and unidentified military forces across Crimea, and called on the Crimean authorities to disarm and disband these units and prosecute those responsible for abuses. (http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/03/14/crimea-attacks-disappearances-illegal-forces)

“For weeks, armed masked men who refuse to identify themselves have harassed and intimidated people,” Denber said. “Failure to call a halt to this mistreatment and investigate would only embolden the people responsible for the abuse.”

RussiaPrussia Logic: HumansRightWatch is anti-Russian and is part of American hatred against the perfect Russia (comes from someone who lives in Germany but can neither speak nor understand Russian)

Kiyant
03-19-2014, 12:25 PM
Actually by fighting against Crimean slave trade. Then most of Crimean nobility was wiped out in the Battle of Molodi. With no effective ruling and main source of income (slave trade) being halted the Khanate degraded and was easily taken over by Russian Empire without any significant confrontation.

Some Tatars didn’t like the idea of living under Russian rule and fled to Ottomans. But nobody forced them out, it was their own preference. As far as I’m aware those who stayed were living fine as long as Russian Empire lasted. It was Stalin who mistreated them but today this thing is acknowledged by Russia and Tatars will receive full rehabilitation.

Well problem is main land Russians and Putin are thinking/wanting this but Crimean Russians HATE the Tatars and most likely the Tatar was killed by a crimean Russian

blogen
03-19-2014, 12:31 PM
Maybe the anti-Russian hatewave between the Tatars was a bad idea... (http://www.euronews.com/2014/02/26/crimean-tatar-protesters-clash-with-pro-russian-demonstrators-in-simferopol/)

Kiyant
03-19-2014, 12:33 PM
Maybe the anti-Russian hatewave between the Tatars was a bad idea...

So you basically think he deserved it or what?
Also after what happened to them in history i think they have the right to be suspicious

blogen
03-19-2014, 12:41 PM
So you basically think he deserved it or what?
Also after what happened to them in history i think they have the right to be suspicious

No. The ethnic violence is bad. But we do not know what happened, only one thing is clear: the Tatar violence against the Russians a week ago was a mistake in this situation.

Kiyant
03-19-2014, 12:42 PM
No. The ethnic violence is bad. But we do not know what happened, only one thing is clear: the Tatar violence against the Russians a week ago was a mistake in this situation.

Some beat each other this already happened several times between Crimean Russians and Crimean Tatars but this Tatar was taken away was tortured and killed this cant be compared

Sarmatian
03-19-2014, 01:01 PM
Well problem is main land Russians and Putin are thinking/wanting this but Crimean Russians HATE the Tatars and most likely the Tatar was killed by a crimean Russian

It could be a provocation similar to shooting of Ukrainian soldier. Until proper investigation is conducted it would be wrong to speculate and jump to conclusions.

The attitude of Crimean Russians towards Crimean Tatars is as understandable as suspicion of Tatars towards Russia. For generations there was no Tatars in Crimea and it will take time for things to settle down. And as some Tatars said themselves for the last 20 years Ukrainian government did nothing to settle the issue and in fact fueled the tensions and exploited the situation for its own goals.

The main thing is Putin has already has set the course of work on the issue and I'm sure in this situation it will be strictly enforced. Moscow will make everything possible for the things to settle for the best just to show the world that Crimea made the right choice.

Virtuous
03-19-2014, 01:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDLwu4E35us

did you even heard what putin said about crimean tatars in crimea, take a listen to it

Gotta admit I admire the neo-Romanov-Czar-Imperial character Russia is re-establishing.

Cleitus
03-19-2014, 01:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDLwu4E35us

did you even heard what putin said about crimean tatars in crimea, take a listen to it
How could Crimea be the same as Kosovo ? Russians in crimea were not tortured and killed, ugly Subhuman.

Methmatician
03-19-2014, 01:09 PM
No. The ethnic violence is bad. But we do not know what happened, only one thing is clear: the Tatar violence against the Russians a week ago was a mistake in this situation.
In this case the man was standing at a demonstration for almost two hours. Then the unidentified armed men grabbed him and took him away. He wasn't being violent. He just was standing.

Methmatician
03-19-2014, 01:11 PM
It could be a provocation similar to shooting of Ukrainian soldier. Until proper investigation is conducted it would be wrong to speculate and jump to conclusions.
Part of the concern here is that the Crimean authorities aren't conducting a proper investigation. Or maybe they are now after HRW urged them to.

glass
03-19-2014, 02:12 PM
just another tatar/ukrainian provocation.
Is there photo of his tortured body? Or may be some drunk tatar just drowned somewhere and some clowns decided to use it for creating "horific" case.
Though if maidan snipers shot their own useful idiots, some other could just sacrifice this poor tatar "for the great justice"

Kiyant
03-19-2014, 02:14 PM
just another tatar/ukrainian provocation.
Is there photo of his tortured body? Or may be some drunk tatar just drowned somewhere and some clowns decided to use it for creating "horific" case.
Though if maidan snipers shot their own useful idiots, some other could just sacrifice this poor tatar "for the great justice"

:picard1:
Yeah Tatars have nothing better to do then to kill themselves and make torture marks on the body so the heroic Russians can be shamed

glass
03-19-2014, 02:28 PM
:picard1:
Yeah Tatars have nothing better to do then to kill themselves and make torture marks on the body so the heroic Russians can be shamed
show me evidence of torture beside words of some tatar so called leaders.
From point of view those tatar crimelords (so called leaders of tatar community) is just want anarchic and extremly corrupted Ukraine because it is much better environment for their dirty deals. For any sane person Russia is much better choice. There were reports of many voting tatars despite presence of diaspora representatives in front of poll station and their attempts to convince them do not vote.
My opinion of this, tatar crimelords decided to use random death of their countryman, because in Russia they would not be allowed to run their dirty business.

Kiyant
03-19-2014, 02:32 PM
show me evidence of torture beside words of some tatar so called leaders.
From point of view those tatar crimelords (so called leaders of tatar community) is just want anarchic and extremly corrupted Ukraine because it is much better environment for their dirty deals. For any sane person Russia is much better choice. There were reports of many voting tatars despite presence of diaspora representatives in front of poll station and their attempts to convince them do not vote.
My opinion of this, tatar crimelords decided to use random death of their countryman, because in Russia they would not be allowed to run their dirty business.

Yeah yeah you guys are perfect and everybody else is a crime lord and evil

RandoBloom
03-19-2014, 02:35 PM
Yeah yeah you guys are perfect and everybody else is a crime lord and evil

Remember that news of Chetniks going there? Told you it will hapen. Next is mass rape, probably a bussload first and then entire cities.

blogen
03-19-2014, 02:43 PM
In this case the man was standing at a demonstration for almost two hours. Then the unidentified armed men grabbed him and took him away. He wasn't being violent. He just was standing.

That's bad. Who grabbed him?

Methmatician
03-19-2014, 03:26 PM
That's bad. Who grabbed him?
The unidentified masked soldiers that have been patrolling Crimea since Crimea was taken over.

blogen
03-19-2014, 03:38 PM
The unidentified masked soldiers that have been patrolling Crimea since Crimea was taken over.

The local authorities arrested the offenders? What is the evidence onto the offenders' affiliation? Sorry, but this is an important question after the Kievan false flag provocations.

Methmatician
03-20-2014, 12:29 AM
The local authorities arrested the offenders? What is the evidence onto the offenders' affiliation? Sorry, but this is an important question after the Kievan false flag provocations.
He is 'known' in the Crimean Tatar community. I don't know what this means.

Novi Pazar
03-20-2014, 11:05 PM
How could Crimea be the same as Kosovo ? Russians in crimea were not tortured and killed, ugly Subhuman.

Shqiptars were the best treated minority ever, no one ever will come close. Albanoid myths have no end, read here and educate yourself:

http://www.hirhome.com/yugo/kosovo.htm

PS I've heard all the Albanoid dinner table history, no need to further twist current Shqiptoid fables!