North Swedish Y-DNA distribution

[Mazik]

A collection I made of every north Swedish Y-DNA I could find at the Swedish haplogroup database, ftdna projects and among my 23andme relatives.

http://s23.postimg.org/ud1u4pvi3/map.jpg

Total:

I1 - 41
N1c1 - 13
R1a - 14
R1b - 21
G2a - 4
Q1a3 - 7
E1b - 1

Will make a similar collection of mtdna in the future :)

[Argang]

A collection I made of every north Swedish Y-DNA I could find at the Swedish haplogroup database, ftdna projects and among my 23andme relatives.



Did you check haplogroup specific and Norwegian/Finnish ftdna projects too? There should be many members who have most distant paternal ancestor in North Sweden.

[Dasr]

I have relatives from västernorrland.

[Mazik]

Did you check haplogroup specific and Norwegian/Finnish ftdna projects too? There should be many members who have most distant paternal ancestor in North Sweden.

I have been checking haplogroup specific projects before, but not Norwegian and Finnish ftdna projects. Thanks for the tip :) I found a couple more.


There should be many members who have most distant paternal ancestor in North Sweden.

One can believe that, but actually there's not. It usually went the other way, that mainly Finns moved to northern Sweden. Saamis who lived in areas bordering between either Sweden-Finland or Sweden-Norway pretty much had ancestors that moved back and forth. But stayed for the most with Saamis from their own dialect group (http://www.samimuseum.fi/anaras/english/kieli/images/kartta_iso.gif), borders were of less importance.

[Äijä]

This is very interesting, if you have the interest I hope you keep this up and start doing the subclades?

No results for I2?

[Mazik]

This is very interesting, if you have the interest I hope you keep this up and start doing the subclades?

No results for I2?

I have found 4, will add them for my next round :)
In the future I'm also thinking of adding results from Ostrobothnia, to compare over the pound :nod:

I will also include these numbers: http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v14/n8/fig_tab/5201651t1.html#figure-title

41 samples from Västerbotten and 38 Saami samples from Norrbotten :thumbs

[Argang]

I have found 4, will add them for my next round :)
In the future I'm also thinking of adding results from Ostrobothnia, to compare over the pound :nod:

I will also include these numbers: http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v14/n8/fig_tab/5201651t1.html#figure-title

41 samples from Västerbotten and 38 Saami samples from Norrbotten :thumbs

That P (xR1a/R1b) is probably all Q which they didn't test for specifically.

[Äijä]

I have found 4, will add them for my next round :)
In the future I'm also thinking of adding results from Ostrobothnia, to compare over the pound :nod:

I will also include these numbers: http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v14/n8/fig_tab/5201651t1.html#figure-title

41 samples from Västerbotten and 38 Saami samples from Norrbotten :thumbs

Sounds good, figure out the Kven history and you will be famous. ;)
This really is a valuable service for interested people if you keep this updated and also dig and sort out the subclades. :thumb001:
Big task and only if you have the drive for it, but this type of thing will get many followers so even a blog might come relevant when you learn more.

[Jackson]

Quite a lot of Q, and not as much R1a as i expected.

[Äijä]

Quite a lot of Q, and not as much R1a as i expected.

The Bothian Bay has many secrets to tell in the future.

[Jackson]

The Bothian Bay has many secrets to tell in the future.

Although the sample size is small, it would be interesting to see if Q has a long history in Europe. If some types of R were in Europe quite early (or on the fringes), Q could have been there as well. If i i remember correctly one of the Swedish (i think?) mesolithic hunter-gatherers had the potential of being Q (although they dismissed it as it wasn't clear enough, so a non-result, and not reliable). It would make sense given that ANE was apparently in the Scandinavian Hunter-gatherers of the Mesolithic, but not in the ones in western Europe.

Either that or it is something more recent i guess.

[Argang]

Although the sample size is small, it would be interesting to see if Q has a long history in Europe. If some types of R were in Europe quite early (or on the fringes), Q could have been there as well. If i i remember correctly one of the Swedish (i think?) mesolithic hunter-gatherers had the potential of being Q (although they dismissed it as it wasn't clear enough, so a non-result, and not reliable). It would make sense given that ANE was apparently in the Scandinavian Hunter-gatherers of the Mesolithic, but not in the ones in western Europe.

Either that or it is something more recent i guess.

La Braña could've had ANE. No one's done a formal test for his more complete sequence that was released this year, but he has as much shared drift with MA-1 as amerindians, and more than any modern Europeans.

Interesting that it's a one way relationship of sorts, modern north euros and basques share more drift with La Braña 1 than MA-1 does.

[Äijä]

Although the sample size is small, it would be interesting to see if Q has a long history in Europe. If some types of R were in Europe quite early (or on the fringes), Q could have been there as well. If i i remember correctly one of the Swedish (i think?) mesolithic hunter-gatherers had the potential of being Q (although they dismissed it as it wasn't clear enough, so a non-result, and not reliable). It would make sense given that ANE was apparently in the Scandinavian Hunter-gatherers of the Mesolithic, but not in the ones in western Europe.

Either that or it is something more recent i guess.

Goths and Huns are one option.

[Mazik]

Quite a lot of Q, and not as much R1a as i expected.

Q is actually reaching a couple of % along the north Swedish coast.

http://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-Q.gif

Noticeable is that all of Q's I've found so far has been from either the southeastern part of region 2 or the northeastern part of region 3.

[Äijä]

Q is actually reaching a couple of % along the north Swedish coast.

http://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-Q.gif

Noticeable is that all of Q's I've found so far has been from either the southeastern part of region 2 or the northeastern part of region 3.

Good that you are narrowing it down, what are the localities for them?

[Mazik]

Good that you are narrowing it down, what are the localities for them?

From the area around Örnsköldsvik, Umeå and Nordmaling. And one was apparently from Sundsvall.

I would really want to narrow it down even further. But for now I got too few samples from some areas.

[Äijä]

From the area around Örnsköldsvik, Umeå and Nordmaling. And one was apparently from Sundsvall.

I would really want to narrow it down even further. But for now I got too few samples from some areas.

Good work, well that is the most likely area for larger settlement and a trade hub in route to Trondheim.
Really have to find out where those samples are in the Q tree.

[Fire Haired]

This is very interesting, if you have the interest I hope you keep this up and start doing the subclades?

No results for I2?

There is some new info on Mesolithic Europeans (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?121044-More-from-Laz-Including-blue-eyed-dark-haired-light-skinned(-)-Mesolithic-Swede)(including some from Sweden, near Finland). Based on mtDNA taken from Mesolithic Karellia(very close to Finland) the people of Finland at that time were probably very similar just maybe a little more ANE and east Asian ancestry. There is a very good chance that modern Finns have a decent portion or at least some blood from Mesolithic ones.

Overall Finns have about the highest amount of Mesolithic European ancestry(defintley over 50%) and one of the highest amounts of ANE. ANE+Mesolithic European is close to 70%.

[Anglojew]

Q is actually reaching a couple of % along the north Swedish coast.

http://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-Q.gif

Noticeable is that all of Q's I've found so far has been from either the southeastern part of region 2 or the northeastern part of region 3.

I wonder why Q is so absent from central Poland and Belarus?

[Mazik]

I've been thinking of creating a map instead, and pinpoint the location of the earliest known ancestor. That would give the best view. Much like projects at ftdna, but with a lot more samples. I know google docs got a good utility for this. Which I will look up when I'm home.

[Mazik]

Good work, well that is the most likely area for larger settlement and a trade hub in route to Trondheim.
Really have to find out where those samples are in the Q tree.

Here's the ones from ftdna

The samples from Västernorrland:
1) (Örnsköldsvik area) Q1a-L804+ L807-
2) (Örnsköldsvik area) Q1a-L804
3) (Sundsvall area) Q1a-L527

Samples from Västerbotten:
1) (Umeå area) Q1a-L804+ L807-
2) (Umeå area) Q1a-L804

[Mazik]

R1a subclades from the different regions:

Norrbotten:
1) (Saami from the Kiruna area), R1a-Z284>Z287>YP401
2) (Piteå area), R1a-Z284>L448>YP355>YP609 (my own)
3) (Piteå area), R1a-L664>YP282

Västerbotten:
1) (Saami, from the Sorsele area), R1a-Z284>S4458>S5301>S6842>YP670
2) (Saami, from the Sorsele area), R1a-Z284>S4458>S5301>S6842>YP670
3) (Saami, from the Sorsele area), R1a-Z284>S4458>S5301>S6842>YP670
4) (Skellefteå area), R1a-Z284>S4458>S5301>S5153>L448>CTS4179>(CLFY1?)>(YP704?)>S4442>CTS3390>YP706
5) (Skellefteå area), R1a-M417>CTS4385>L664
6) (Bygdeå), R1a-Z284>S4458>S5301>S5153>L448>CTS4179>(CLFY1?)>(YP704?)>S4442>CTS3390
7) (Umeå area), R1a-Z284>S4458>S5301>S5153>L448>CTS4179
8) (Umeå area), R1a-Z284>Z287+
9) (Umeå area), R1a-Z284>S4458>S5301>S5153>L448>CTS4179

Västernorrland+Jämtland:
1) (Örnsköldsvik area), R1a-Z284>S4458>S5301>S5153>L448>YP355>YP609>YP618
2) (Sollefteå area), R1a-Z284>Z287>YP401
3) (Sundsvall area), R1a-Z284>Z287> F2405
4) (Nordsjö), R1a-Z284>S4458>S5301>S5153>L448>YP355>YP609>YP1100
5) (Östersund area), R1a-Z284>Z287>CTS8277
6) (Östersund area), R1a-Z284>S4458>S5301>S5153>L448
7) (Östersund area), R1a-Z284>S4458>S5301>S5153>L448>CTS4179

[Dasr]

My grandmother is from Ångermanland

[FeederOfRavens]

Interesting to see the sharp decrease of N1c1 from 33.3% in Norrbotten to 8.6% in Västerbotten.