White Brazilians

[Smaug]

White Brazilians

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/05/Flag_of_Brazil.svg/200px-Flag_of_Brazil.svg.pnghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Flag_of_Europe.svg/210px-Flag_of_Europe.svg.png

See Also:
Immigration to Brazil (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?69385-Immigration-to-Brazil)
Italian-Brazilians (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?131379-Italian-Brazilians)

I didn’t want to, but I’m creating this thread due to a recent discussion that took place in this forum regarding White Brazilians, which showed me how much people are ignorant towards us. Not only that, many people who have never set foot in Brazil try to teach me how White Brazilians look like. Funny isn’t it? Well, I hope this thread enlighten your minds.


Current population:

According to the official Brazilian Census, the IBGE, whites correspond to 47% of the total Brazilian population, of course, as we all know, this percentage is flawed due to many non-whites being counted as white. A more realistic approach on the real percentage of whites in Brazil would be around 35%, concentrated in the Southeastern and Southern regions of the country. That corresponds to 60 million people, about the population of the United Kingdom, and one of the largest white populations in the world.

The average White Brazilian nowadays is a mix of Italian with Portuguese, commonly with an extra German, Polish or Spanish input.


Regions of Origin:

Most of White Brazilians trace their ancestry back to Italy, Portugal, Germany, Spain and Poland, being those the most common European ethnic groups present in the country. As aforementioned, the average White Brazilian nowadays is a mix of Italian with Portuguese, commonly with an extra German, Polish or Spanish input.

Most of those who have Italian ancestry are of Northern Italian descent, being the region of Veneto the one that contributed the most to the Italian immigration to Brazil. Other important regions of origin of Italian-Brazilians are Lombardy, Emilia-Romagna, Campania and Calabria.

Portuguese-Brazilians came mostly from Minho and Trás-os-Montes, both located in Northern Portugal, but many people from the Beiras, Lisbon and Azores also settled in Brazil. Most of German-Brazilians descend from immigrants that came from the Western and Northern Germany, mainly from Rhineland, Hunsrück and Westphalia, but there’s also a sizable contribution from many other regions of Germany, mainly Pomerania, Saxony, Baden-Württemberg and even from Prussia, with also a Volga German contribution.

Spaniards came mostly from Galicia, Castela and Andalusia, Poles from mainly from Pomerania, Silesia, Carpathia and from big urban centres like Warszawa, Lublin and Kraków.

Other more ancestries that are not so common include Dutch, mostly from Noord-Brabant; British, mostly from the Scottish Lowlands and England; French from all over the country; and other Eastern European groups, specially Lithuanians, Russians, Hungarians and Ukranians.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/1888537_254232504756417_747822176_n.jpg
Map showing the contries of origin of White Brazilians


Regions of Settlement:

Most of Europeans settled in Southern and Southeastern Brazil. The states with more contributions are: Northern Rio Grande do Sul, Western Santa Catarina, Western Paraná, Northern, Eastern and Western São Paulo, South Eastern Rio de Janeiro, Southern Minas Gerais and Western Espirito Santo.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/q71/s720x720/1461156_254232091423125_237050074_n.jpg
Main regions of European settlement in Brazil


Phenotypes:

Most White Brazilians have brown hair, brown eyes and pale skin, not as light as the British, but not as dark as Sicilians. The most common types are Atlantid, Antlanto-Med, West-Med, Apine, Dinarid and Subnordid. Baltids, Nordids, Faelids and North-Atlantids are also present, but to a minor extent.



Examples:

Average:

Bruno Uvini

http://www.lancenet.com.br/sao-paulo/Treino-Paulo-Uvini-Miguel-Schincariol_LANIMA20110625_0083_27.jpg

Fernanda Torres

http://papofeminino.uol.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Materia-Entrevista-com-Fernanda-Torres.jpg

Rubens Barrichello

http://www.zerotohundred.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/rubens-barrichello-600x338.jpg

Christiane Torloni

http://www.telemaniacos.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/christiane_torloni_viva_o_sucesso.jpg

Murilo Benício

http://static.blogo.it/fofocandoblog/b/b91/murilo_benicio.jpg

Bernardo Rocha de Rezende

http://veja0.abrilm.com.br/assets/images/2010/12/24831/Bernardinho-tecnico-da-selecao-brasileira-de-volei-size-598.jpg

Celso Portiolli

http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/wqJk02wIkJBpwR9KYYy7yg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://l.yimg.com/os/629/2013/06/07/celsoportiolli-jpg_192809.jpg


Light End of Spectrum:

Rodrigo Hilbert

http://modaparahomens.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/rodrigo-hilbert.jpg

Odilon Wagner

http://www.projetteria.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/odilon-wagner-release.jpg

Thais Paczolek

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Q6QXu5qGXww/UGfO96NYdfI/AAAAAAAAADE/r2vbmnGcyqk/s1600/Tha%C3%ADs+Pacholek+3.jpg

Luana Piovani

http://www.blogdotony.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/luana-piovani-63.jpg


Dark End of Spectrum:

Reynaldo Gianecchini

http://otvfoco.com.br/audiencia/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/reynaldo-gianecchini_reproducao_abril.jpg

Natália Ambrosio

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lFtiVDLvx84/Tv0V8XdOfrI/AAAAAAAAAiw/4heeTnykFLo/s1600/14.jpg

Giovanna Antonelli

http://blogdaraffinha.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/608-thumb-Giovanna-Antonelli.jpg

Cesar Tralli

http://duaslinhas.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/cc3a9zar.jpg

[alb0zfinest]

Omg that woman from o'clone!!!!!!!

[Tooting Carmen]

An excellent thread. My only quip is that what you call 'pale' is, in most of your examples, more of a sallow skin tone.

[TheBlondeSalad]

Good looking bunch

[Smaug]

Omg that woman from o'clone!!!!!!!

:D


An excellent thread. My only quip is that what you call 'pale' is, in most of your examples, more of a sallow skin tone.

I guess now I've got what you meant. They are not as pale as the British of course, what I was trying to say is that they do not have a "brown", "olive" skin, but simply "white".


Good looking bunch

Thank you :)

[Lemonhead]

Why do you think Whites are only 35% of the Brazilian population and not 47%?

[alb0zfinest]

:D



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Quit acting like you didn't watch it :D

I was like 8 when i watched that show lol.

[VKOT]

Shogun, one of my favorite fighters is white brazilian

http://i1.r7.com/data/files/2C95/948E/31D9/577E/0131/DEFB/1AFF/4286/shogun-700.jpg

[Smaug]

Why do you think Whites are only 35% of the Brazilian population and not 47%?

Many non-whites declare themselves as white, so the real percentage is smaller than the one provided by the census


Quit acting like you didn't watch it :D

I was like 8 when i watched that show lol.

Me too, I was just a kid. I don't remember much.

[Also]

Examples:

Average:

[...]


Light End of Spectrum:

[...]


Dark End of Spectrum:

[...]


I must say they look very accurate.

[Smaug]

I must say they look very accurate.

Thank you very much. It demanded some work, but I think those are good examples. I hope this finally settles down any doubt regarding us. By the way, in which group are you included? I think I am "Average".

[Also]

Thank you very much. It demanded some work, but I think those are good examples. I hope this finally settles down any doubt regarding us. By the way, in which group are you included? I think I am "Average".

Between wogs and averages.

[Damião de Góis]

Portuguese-Brazilians came mostly from Minho and Trás-os-Montes, both located in Northern Portugal, but many people from the Beiras, Lisbon and Azores also settled in Brazil.

I didn't know this but it seems to be true. I had some idea that lots of Azoreans went to Brazil too.
I found this:

http://oi57.tinypic.com/2a8ktgi.jpg

http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imigra%C3%A7%C3%A3o_portuguesa_no_Brasil

Seems that my ancestors weren't too keen on moving abroad.

[Smaug]

I didn't know this but it seems to be true. I had some idea that lots of Azoreans went to Brazil too.
I found this:

http://oi57.tinypic.com/2a8ktgi.jpg

http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imigra%C3%A7%C3%A3o_portuguesa_no_Brasil

Seems that my ancestors weren't too keen on moving abroad.

Interesting, thank you for the contribution. As for me, my ancestors were mostly from Minho but also Beira Litoral.

[GrebluBro]

Excellent thread...

I'm wondering if you accept Spain > Germany > Slavics among White Brazilians

[Smaug]

Excellent thread...

I'm wondering if you accept Spain > Germany > Slavics among White Brazilians

I didn't wet it. Why wouldn't I accept them?

[Argentano]

I didn't wet it. Why wouldn't I accept them?

i think he means if you would accept the quantities..more spanish than germans more germans than slavic..

[GrebluBro]

Gorgeous!
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lFtiVDLvx84/Tv0V8XdOfrI/AAAAAAAAAiw/4heeTnykFLo/s1600/14.jpg

I like this Milf too
http://www.telemaniacos.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/christiane_torloni_viva_o_sucesso.jpg

[Selurong]

Argentina seems to have a higher incidence of white people in it. But Brazilians are just hot so you get 9999999x smexy points because you are a Brazilian; regardless of whatever your race is.

[Selurong]

Uhtred you made me lol, you sent the same message you sent to me, to seven other people.

Waiting for...

la vita e bella, Alex Delarge, ChairmanoftheBored, Mark, Also, Peyrol & Cristiano viejo...

To reply to your invitations.

[Selurong]

White Brazilians should breed more and produce more babies to reverse the population decline of whites in Europe and Australia.

[Selurong]

Also...

Question time!

Do Brazilians consider people coming from the Levant, Persia or North Africa white?
Because in the U.S. census, people from those areas are supposedly white.

Its something, the forumers here disagree with...

[Also]

Also...

Question time!

Do Brazilians consider people coming from the Levant, Persia or North Africa white?
Because in the U.S. census, people from those areas are supposedly white.

Its something, the forumers here disagree with...

Levant yes. I can't say about Persia or NA since they virtually don't exist here.

[Selurong]

Levant yes. I can't say about Persia or NA since they virtually don't exist here.

That's weird. In Malaysia they're considered Azn because they practice Ish-zlam, they're not white. Lolz.

[Also]

That's weird. In Malaysia they're considered Azn because they practice Ish-zlam, they're not white. Lolz.

I don't know what 'Azn' means. The levantines in Brazil were virtually all Christians, of maronite or orthodox origins. Today they are mostly absorved and mixed with the general population, I can't tell you how much religion plays a role in making them "white" or not.

[Selurong]

I don't know what 'Azn' means. The levantines in Brazil were virtually all Christians, of maronite or orthodox origins. Today they are mostly absorved and mixed with the general population, I can't tell you how much religion plays a role in making them "white" or not.

Azn is Ebonics for Asian. I meant that in Malaysia, Philippines or Singapore. People from the Levant, Arab countries or Persia are considered and classed under Asian, not white.

But I don't know about the Maronite Christians because some of them are either descended from Crusaders or European pilgrims to the Holy Land.

It's really quite a shame that they are immigrating in droves abroad because their own homeland is constantly invaded.

[Also]

Azn is Ebonics for Asian. I meant that in Malaysia, Philippines or Singapore. People from the Levant, Arab countries or Persia are considered and classed under Asian, not white.

But I don't know about the Maronite Christians because some of them are either descended from Crusaders or European pilgrims to the Holy Land.

It's really quite a shame that they are immigrating in droves abroad because their own homeland is constantly invaded.

'Asian' here is used almost stricly to refer to east-asians. About maronites, I don't really know if they should have stayed, the immigration was probably for good, Lebanon had a huge diaspora of Christian immigrants in the past century, the only bad thing is it turned from a christian country into a muslim one.

[Selurong]

'Asian' here is used almost stricly to refer to east-asians. About maronites, I don't really know if they should have stayed, the immigration was probably for good, Lebanon had a huge diaspora of Christian immigrants in the past century, the only bad thing is it turned from a christian country into a muslim one.

Actually its much worse than that. Back when Lebanon was still Christian, it was known as the Paris of the Levant and was very very rich but along the way, with the reduction of the Christian population and the emigration, the place went into the dumps. Poor Lebanese. My elementary sweetheart was descended from Lebanese Christians and right now their family can be found everywhere around the world, except Lebanon.

[Also]

Actually its much worse than that. Back when Lebanon was still Christian, it was known as the Paris of the Levant and was very very rich but along the way, with the reduction of the Christian population and the emigration, the place went into the dumps. Poor Lebanese. My elementary sweetheart was descended from Lebanese Christians and right now their family can be found everywhere around the world, except Lebanon.

I see, but I think they had good reasons to immigrate at the time. Do you think otherwise?

[Selurong]

I see, but I think they had good reasons to immigrate at the time. Do you think otherwise?

Yes. But I consider emigration the path of cowards. They may have reasons to leave but if so....
Then so do many people!


My great-great Grandfather was soldier from Veracruz, Mexico stationed in the Philippines during the Cavite Mutiny, my great-grandfather fought in the Philippine-American War, my grandfather was maimed in the Japanese occupation, my mother ran an underground paper and was falsely accused and raped during the Dictatorship and my uncle is a militant fighting in the Moro rebellion.

In all that time, we would have plenty of opportunity to immigrate to Brazil or the United States, yet we didn't.

I myself am willing to shed my blood for God and for country.

Its the people who are brave and stay behind that maintains a country and maintains their honor. Not the ones who go abroad and be absorbed in a comfortable and leisurely environment.


If I wasn't so nationalistic I would probably go to Lebanon and help preserve the Christians there.
But my aunt already helps run underground Churches in Saudi Arabia, hopefully, they'll expand operations to Lebanon.

I really wish the best for the Lebanese and that their exiled people should return to the Levant.

[Selurong]

Peace in the middle east is mostly hinged on the non-violent Christians. Yet, everywhere; they are driven out.

[Selurong]

http://churchmilitant.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/churchmilitant.jpg

http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/uploads/profile/photo-13606.jpeg?_r=1376840862

http://authenticcatholicism.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/milita.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/31/Love_Riot.jpg

[Selurong]

Off topic...

Anyway, are other Latinos from other countries considered white in Brazil?

[Smaug]

i think he means if you would accept the quantities..more spanish than germans more germans than slavic..

Ok. I think we've got more Germans than Spaniards, and more Spaniards than Slavs.


Uhtred you made me lol, you sent the same message you sent to me, to seven other people.

Waiting for...

la vita e bella, Alex Delarge, ChairmanoftheBored, Mark, Also, Peyrol & Cristiano viejo...

To reply to your invitations.

Yes, I sent it to everyone whom I was interested in knowing the opinions.


Off topic...

Anyway, are other Latinos from other countries considered white in Brazil?

That depends, a Bolivian would not, but an Argentinian of Italian descent would.

[Prince Carlo]

Alessandra D'Ambrosio ain't dark. She just likes to tan a lot.

http://i.imgur.com/lmBcA9k.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Ons5qr2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bGwmwiu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UhPxCmy.jpg

BTW her father is from Campania, while her mother is of Polish descent.

[Smaug]

Alessandra D'Ambrosio ain't dark. She just likes to tan a lot.

http://i.imgur.com/lmBcA9k.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Ons5qr2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bGwmwiu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UhPxCmy.jpg

BTW her father is from Campania, while her mother is of Polish descent.

Maybe, but her traits are woggish so I put her fhere.

[CordedWhelp]

I'm not sure what I thought the average white Brazilian looked like, but I knew that you had a lot of both old and recent Portuguese, as well as copious amounts of Italians with others sprinkled in smaller amounts. Every Brazilian I've met on here has been virtually all white (although obviously not representative of the majority of Brazilians).

I used to work with a Brazilian-American at my old job...guy appeared he had a little bit of SSA though.

[brazuca]

Alessandra D'Ambrosio ain't dark. She just likes to tan a lot.

http://i.imgur.com/lmBcA9k.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Ons5qr2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bGwmwiu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UhPxCmy.jpg

BTW her father is from Campania, while her mother is of Polish descent.

not your father is Brazilian.

[Smaug]

not your father is Brazilian.

Prince Carlo is Italian what are you talking about?

[brazuca]

1 = this map is very bizarre northwest of sao paulo and full of mineiros and nordestinos, the northern parana is the brown area of the state, its south is the whitest place in the state.

2 = the other map is weird, British Isles, Scandinavia and the Balkans are rare in Brazil should be white

[brazuca]

Prince Carlo is Italian what are you talking about?

Alessandra Ambrosio's father is Brazilian.

[Smaug]

1 = this map is very bizarre northwest of sao paulo and full of mineiros and nordestinos, the northern parana is the brown area of the state, its south is the whitest place in the state.

2 = the other map is weird, British Isles, Scandinavia and the Balkans are rare in Brazil should be white

1- Northwestern São Paulo is mainly White, except for Presidente Prudente area. The whitest parts of São Paulo are Riberião Preto Region and Vale do Paraíba.
2- True indeed, that's why these countries are in light green instead of dark gree. I should have bothered reading the legend.

[Smaug]

Alessandra Ambrosio's father is Brazilian.

Yes, but he is of Italian descent.

[Peikko]

I'm sure they're very white.

[Smaug]

I'm sure they're very white.

Who?

[Peikko]

Who?
White Brazilians.

[Smaug]

White Brazilians.

Oh, alright then.

[Gargoris]

White Brazilians

Odilon Wagner

http://www.projetteria.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/odilon-wagner-release.jpg




Didn't know Tywin Lannister (Charles Dance) was Brazillian. :D

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110320125647/gameofthrones/images/1/1e/Tywin_Lannister.jpg

[Smaug]

Didn't know Tywin Lannister (Charles Dance) was Brazillian. :D

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110320125647/gameofthrones/images/1/1e/Tywin_Lannister.jpg

Hehe. Yeah, I've always thought Odilon Wagner looked very English. He's a very Keltic-Nordid type.

[Selurong]

Ok. I think we've got more Germans than Spaniards, and more Spaniards than Slavs.



Yes, I sent it to everyone whom I was interested in knowing the opinions.



That depends, a Bolivian would not, but an Argentinian of Italian descent would.

At least I'm glad they responded this time around. Thank you for answering my questions.

[Smaug]

At least I'm glad they responded this time around. Thank you for answering my questions.

You're welcome. As you can see we do not have the same caste system as the Spanish world.

[Selurong]

You're welcome. As you can see we do not have the same caste system as the Spanish world.

Thank God. You are spared from the complicated jargon of the Casta.

[Smaug]

Thank God. You are spared from the complicated jargon of the Casta.

Haha true. But I don't think it's used anymore in the Hispanic World? Is it in the Philippines?

[Selurong]

Haha true. But I don't think it's used anymore in the Hispanic World? Is it in the Philippines?

Lol no. We can't even barely remember that thing because ever since the Anglo-American occupation we began to speak English and forgot about all things Spanish.

[Lusos]

Maria de Lourdes da Silveira Mäder (Portuguese/Lebanese Ancestry)
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Fw58su-80O8/Tv0bZ7eaFUI/AAAAAAAAAFI/Kq1mAKwYuSM/s1600/malu_mader_f_002.jpg

[Smaug]

Maria de Lourdes da Silveira Mäder (Portuguese/Lebanese Ancestry)
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Fw58su-80O8/Tv0bZ7eaFUI/AAAAAAAAAFI/Kq1mAKwYuSM/s1600/malu_mader_f_002.jpg

Do you consider Lebanese to be white? And doesn't Mäder indicate some German ancestry?

[Lusos]

Do you consider Lebanese to be white? And doesn't Mäder indicate some German ancestry?

Don't know If all Lebanese aren't White.
She Is White.Don't know about the German.It's difficult.It's Internet Info,anything Is possible.

[JeanBaMac]

White Brazilians

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/05/Flag_of_Brazil.svg/200px-Flag_of_Brazil.svg.pnghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Flag_of_Europe.svg/210px-Flag_of_Europe.svg.png

See Also:
Immigration to Brazil (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?69385-Immigration-to-Brazil)
Italian-Brazilians (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?104228-Italian-Brazilians)

I didn’t want to, but I’m creating this thread due to a recent discussion that took place in this forum regarding White Brazilians, which showed me how much people are ignorant towards us. Not only that, many people who have never set foot in Brazil try to teach me how White Brazilians look like. Funny isn’t it? Well, I hope this thread enlighten your minds.


Current population:

According to the official Brazilian Census, the IBGE, whites correspond to 47% of the total Brazilian population, of course, as we all know, this percentage is flawed due to many non-whites being counted as white. A more realistic approach on the real percentage of whites in Brazil would be around 35%, concentrated in the Southeastern and Southern regions of the country. That corresponds to 60 million people, about the population of the United Kingdom, and one of the largest white populations in the world.

The average White Brazilian nowadays is a mix of Italian with Portuguese, commonly with an extra German, Polish or Spanish input.


Regions of Origin:

Most of White Brazilians trace their ancestry back to Italy, Portugal, Germany, Spain and Poland, being those the most common European ethnic groups present in the country. As aforementioned, the average White Brazilian nowadays is a mix of Italian with Portuguese, commonly with an extra German, Polish or Spanish input.

Most of those who have Italian ancestry are of Northern Italian descent, being the region of Veneto the one that contributed the most to the Italian immigration to Brazil. Other important regions of origin of Italian-Brazilians are Lombardy, Emilia-Romagna, Campania and Calabria.

Portuguese-Brazilians came mostly from Minho and Trás-os-Montes, both located in Northern Portugal, but many people from the Beiras, Lisbon and Azores also settled in Brazil. Most of German-Brazilians descend from immigrants that came from the Western and Northern Germany, mainly from Rhineland, Hunsrück and Westphalia, but there’s also a sizable contribution from many other regions of Germany, mainly Pomerania, Saxony, Baden-Württemberg and even from Prussia, with also a Volga German contribution.

Spaniards came mostly from Galicia, Castela and Andalusia, Poles from mainly from Pomerania, Silesia, Carpathia and from big urban centres like Warszawa, Lublin and Kraków.

Other more ancestries that are not so common include Dutch, mostly from Noord-Brabant; British, mostly from the Scottish Lowlands and England; French from all over the country; and other Eastern European groups, specially Lithuanians, Russians, Hungarians and Ukranians.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/1888537_254232504756417_747822176_n.jpg
Map showing the contries of origin of White Brazilians


Regions of Settlement:

Most of Europeans settled in Southern and Southeastern Brazil. The states with more contributions are: Northern Rio Grande do Sul, Western Santa Catarina, Western Paraná, Northern, Eastern and Western São Paulo, South Eastern Rio de Janeiro, Southern Minas Gerais and Western Espirito Santo.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/q71/s720x720/1461156_254232091423125_237050074_n.jpg
Main regions of European settlement in Brazil


Phenotypes:

Most White Brazilians have brown hair, brown eyes and pale skin, not as light as the British, but not as dark as Sicilians. The most common types are Atlantid, Antlanto-Med, West-Med, Apine, Dinarid and Subnordid. Baltids, Nordids, Faelids and North-Atlantids are also present, but to a minor extent.



Examples:

Average:

Bruno Uvini

http://www.lancenet.com.br/sao-paulo/Treino-Paulo-Uvini-Miguel-Schincariol_LANIMA20110625_0083_27.jpg

Fernanda Torres

http://oglobo.globo.com/in/10914389-6fc-344/FT500A/FERNANDA-TORRES_02.jpg

Rubens Rarrichello

http://www.zerotohundred.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/rubens-barrichello-600x338.jpg

Christiane Torloni

http://www.telemaniacos.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/christiane_torloni_viva_o_sucesso.jpg

Murilo Benício

http://static.blogo.it/fofocandoblog/b/b91/murilo_benicio.jpg

Bernardo Rocha de Rezende

http://veja0.abrilm.com.br/assets/images/2010/12/24831/Bernardinho-tecnico-da-selecao-brasileira-de-volei-size-598.jpg

Celso Portiolli

http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/wqJk02wIkJBpwR9KYYy7yg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://l.yimg.com/os/629/2013/06/07/celsoportiolli-jpg_192809.jpg


Light End of Spectrum:

Rodrigo Hilbert

http://modaparahomens.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/rodrigo-hilbert.jpg

Odilon Wagner

http://www.projetteria.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/odilon-wagner-release.jpg

Thais Paczolek

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Q6QXu5qGXww/UGfO96NYdfI/AAAAAAAAADE/r2vbmnGcyqk/s1600/Tha%C3%ADs+Pacholek+3.jpg

Luana Piovani

http://www.blogdotony.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/luana-piovani-63.jpg


Dark End of Spectrum:

Reynaldo Gianecchini

http://vejario.abril.com.br/blog/bruno-chateaubriand/files/2011/07/reynaldo-gianecchini.jpg

Natália Ambrosio

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lFtiVDLvx84/Tv0V8XdOfrI/AAAAAAAAAiw/4heeTnykFLo/s1600/14.jpg

Giovanna Antonelli

http://blogdaraffinha.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/608-thumb-Giovanna-Antonelli.jpg

Cesar Tralli

http://www.oficinamix.com.br/imagem/Cesar-Tralli-36.JPG

There is also a strong population of Dutch descent in Brazil. Brazil is probably the country with the largest population of overseas Dutch people (circa 10-15 million people, bigger than the USA or South Africa). Dutch Brazilians are far more numerous than Brazilians of Baltic or Eastern European descent.

[GrebluBro]

There is also a strong population of Dutch descent in Brazil. Brazil is probably the country with the largest population of overseas Dutch people (circa 10-15 million people, bigger than the USA or South Africa). Dutch Brazilians are far more numerous than Brazilians of Baltic or Eastern European descent.

I know what you're talking about..Almost all Dutch descendants are from pre-1700 Dutch migrants..
Some believe most Dutch left when Portuguese took control of whole Brazil, others believe they made sort of enclave..
Later, most Dutch are diluted by Portuguese or other ethnic-groups.

I personally believe at least 2 million White Brazilians must've Dutch ancestry.

[GrebluBro]

Ok. I think we've got more Germans than Spaniards, and more Spaniards than Slavs.



Spaniards are more than Germans..

Portuguese > Italians > Spaniards > Germans > Poles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Brazil#Consequences

[Smaug]

There is also a strong population of Dutch descent in Brazil. Brazil is probably the country with the largest population of overseas Dutch people (circa 10-15 million people, bigger than the USA or South Africa). Dutch Brazilians are far more numerous than Brazilians of Baltic or Eastern European descent.

Read the OP again, I posted about them.

[Smaug]

Spaniards are more than Germans..

Portuguese > Italians > Spaniards > Germans > Poles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Brazil#Consequences

Hahahahaha

[brazuca]

I know what you're talking about..Almost all Dutch descendants are from pre-1700 Dutch migrants..
Some believe most Dutch left when Portuguese took control of whole Brazil, others believe they made sort of enclave..
Later, most Dutch are diluted by Portuguese or other ethnic-groups.

I personally believe at least 2 million White Brazilians must've Dutch ancestry.

large majority of the Dutch were gone from Brazil to the Caribbean after the demise of colonial rule, very few remained in Brazil, so please stop your fantasizing about the stratospheric numbers of Dutch descent.

[brazuca]

I didn't know this but it seems to be true. I had some idea that lots of Azoreans went to Brazil too.
I found this:

http://oi57.tinypic.com/2a8ktgi.jpg

http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imigra%C3%A7%C3%A3o_portuguesa_no_Brasil

Seems that my ancestors weren't too keen on moving abroad.

from where Portugal think that comes the majority of tugas in Brazil?

[brazuca]

Hahahahaha

??

[Lurker]

Ok. I think we've got more Germans than Spaniards, and more Spaniards than Slavs.



Yes, I sent it to everyone whom I was interested in knowing the opinions.



That depends, a Bolivian would not, but an Argentinian of Italian descent would.

There are white bolivians. They mostly live in Santa Cruz de la Sierra. I think you can find white people in every country in the Americas (except Haiti). Even Jamaica and Barbados have their small white population. White people from other American countries would be considered white in Brazil. Those who are mixed or nonwhite wouldn't be considered white. It's that simple, Saludong.

[Tooting Carmen]

There are white bolivians. They mostly live in Santa Cruz de la Sierra. I think you can find white people in every country in the Americas (except Haiti). Even Jamaica and Barbados have their small white population. White people from other American countries would be considered white in Brazil. Those who are mixed or nonwhite wouldn't be considered white. It's that simple, Saludong.

I do know an upper-middle class Bolivian woman who looks like this. How'd she be classified?
http://wisdomhasavoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/get-attachment.aspx_-238x300.jpg http://wisdomhasavoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Swann.jpg

[brazuca]

I do know an upper-middle class Bolivian woman who looks like this. How'd she be classified?
http://wisdomhasavoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/get-attachment.aspx_-238x300.jpg http://wisdomhasavoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Swann.jpg

fits perfectly in the interior of Goiás state

[brazuca]

There are white bolivians. They mostly live in Santa Cruz de la Sierra. I think you can find white people in every country in the Americas (except Haiti). Even Jamaica and Barbados have their small white population. White people from other American countries would be considered white in Brazil. Those who are mixed or nonwhite wouldn't be considered white. It's that simple, Saludong.

I've never heard of a "white" Jamaican!

[Mortimer]

brown brazilians play better football then white brazilians

[brazuca]

brown brazilians play better football then white brazilians

lol at least half of the Brazilian players are black! every decade that passes there are less "white players" in Brazil.

[Tooting Carmen]

every decade that passes there are less "white players" in Brazil.

And likewise in many other countries too.

[Damião de Góis]

brown brazilians play better football then white brazilians

Ever heard of a guy called Zico? Not many brazilians were better than him, maybe only Pelé.

[brazuca]

And likewise in many other countries too.

Argentina and Uruguay are full of white players

[Tooting Carmen]

Argentina and Uruguay are full of white players

True, but their Black populations aren't that big anyway. Instead, try looking at the football teams of Peru, Ecuador, Colombia, England, France, Netherlands, Belgium, Portugal...

In fact, look at this thread I made ages ago: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?101121-Examples-of-sports-teams-that-are-not-ethnically-representative&highlight=south+african+rugby+team

[brazuca]

True, but their Black populations aren't that big anyway. Instead, try looking at the football teams of Peru, Ecuador, Colombia, England, France, Netherlands, Belgium, Portugal...

In fact, look at this thread I made ages ago: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?101121-Examples-of-sports-teams-that-are-not-ethnically-representative&highlight=south+african+rugby+team

the vast majority of European players are white (disregarding the france)

[brazuca]

Ever heard of a guy called Zico? Not many brazilians were better than him, maybe only Pelé.

Brazilians are good at football because grow up playing "football in the street" different from Europeans.

[Tooting Carmen]

the vast majority of European players are white (disregarding the france)

The England football team is about 60% White and 40% Black now.

[Damião de Góis]

Brazilians are good at football because grow up playing "football in the street" different from Europeans.

Europeans grow up playing football on the streets too. But maybe not playing football on the beach like brazilians.

[brazuca]

Europeans grow up playing football on the streets too. But maybe not playing football on the beach like brazilians.

I'm not talking about "futsal", I'm talking about the street where your house is! on "European forums" British, Italians and other Europeans associate it "poverty".

[brazuca]

The England football team is about 60% White and 40% Black now.

I'm talking about players from across the country.

[Damião de Góis]

I'm not talking about "futsal", I'm talking about the street where your house is! on "European forums" British, Italians and other Europeans associate it "poverty".

I have no idea of what you're talking about. Playing football on the street was normal when i was growing up, at least until we had a decent pitch to play where we lived. Our backpacks or stones were used to make the goals.
Perhaps you need to watch videos of Johan Cruyff playing football on the streets when he was a child.

Futsal is a recent thing.

[brazuca]

I have no idea of what you're talking about. Playing football on the street was normal when i was growing up, at least until we had a decent pitch to play where we lived. Our backpacks or stones were used to make the goals.
Perhaps you need to watch videos of Johan Cruyff playing football on the streets when he was a child.

Futsal is a recent thing.

exactly! street football was common in Europe until the '50s, perhaps still exists in southern europe to a lesser extent.
as I said Northern Europeans or central europe no longer play street football, "New York Times" did an article about street football in Brazil, "comments" about the matter were only associating it "poverty" were mostly Europeans or north Americans.

[Lemonhead]

I do know an upper-middle class Bolivian woman who looks like this. How'd she be classified?
http://wisdomhasavoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/get-attachment.aspx_-238x300.jpg http://wisdomhasavoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Swann.jpgLooks ambiguos gracile mediterranean, maybe Castiza.

[Lemonhead]

There are white bolivians. They mostly live in Santa Cruz de la Sierra. I think you can find white people in every country in the Americas (except Haiti). Even Jamaica and Barbados have their small white population. White people from other American countries would be considered white in Brazil. Those who are mixed or nonwhite wouldn't be considered white. It's that simple, Saludong. What's the percentagre of Whites in Peru and Bolivia, and in what cities do they live?

[Tooting Carmen]

What's the percentagre of Whites in Peru and Bolivia, and in what cities do they live?

Around 18.5% in Peru; mainly concentrated in the Northern and Central cities, as well as Arequipa in the South. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_peru#Ethnic_groups

Bolivia is more uncertain, but the White population is below 10% and mainly found in Santa Cruz and the Eastern Lowlands of the country. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_bolivia#Ethnic_groups

[Lurker]

I've never heard of a "white" Jamaican!

Who do you think owned those plantations where the black slaves worked at?

Gordon Stewart, businessman born in Kingston that owns several companies in the Caribbean

http://www.my-island-jamaica.com/images/gordon_butch_stewart.jpg

This guy (who's mixed) was prime minister of Jamaica in the 1980s

http://www.jayblessed.com/new/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Edward-Seaga1.jpg

Cyndy Breakspeare (who's half-Canadian, half-Jamaican) was raised in Jamaica and even had a kid with Bob Marley

http://www.bilgiufku.com/wp-content/uploads/1976-Cindy-Breakspeare-JAMA%C4%B0KA.jpg

[Smaug]

brown brazilians play better football then white brazilians

That's because we are too busy becoming doctors, engineers, professors, etc.

[Smaug]

Europeans grow up playing football on the streets too. But maybe not playing football on the beach like brazilians.

Only if you live on the coast.

[brazuca]

Who do you think owned those plantations where the black slaves worked at?

Gordon Stewart, businessman born in Kingston that owns several companies in the Caribbean

http://www.my-island-jamaica.com/images/gordon_butch_stewart.jpg

This guy (who's mixed) was prime minister of Jamaica in the 1980s

http://www.jayblessed.com/new/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Edward-Seaga1.jpg

Cyndy Breakspeare (who's half-Canadian, half-Jamaican) was raised in Jamaica and even had a kid with Bob Marley

http://www.bilgiufku.com/wp-content/uploads/1976-Cindy-Breakspeare-JAMA%C4%B0KA.jpg

but they are so few today in Jamaica, I always wondered where they went? migrated to the United States or Great Britain.?

[Carlito's Way]

Around 18.5% in Peru; mainly concentrated in the Northern and Central cities, as well as Arequipa in the South. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_peru#Ethnic_groups

Bolivia is more uncertain, but the White population is below 10% and mainly found in Santa Cruz and the Eastern Lowlands of the country. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_bolivia#Ethnic_groups

those are from census and how they classify themselves, no way is peru that high on the white population

[brazuca]

I have not yet understand why "Great Britain" and "Scandinavia" are not "white" on the map, its immigration was lowercase as the Balkans!

[Smaug]

I have not yet understand why "Great Britain" and "Scandinavia" are not "white" on the map, its immigration was lowercase as the Balkans!

White is for "non-existent". Great Britain and Scandinavia are in light green, which stands for "weak".

[dralos]

her name luana means lioness in albanian,does she have albanian ancestry or something or maybe arberesh from italy
http://www.blogdotony.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/luana-piovani-63.jpg

[brazuca]

White is for "non-existent". Great Britain and Scandinavia are in light green, which stands for "weak".

their presence is virtually non-existent as the Balkans

[brazuca]

her name luana means lioness in albanian,does she have albanian ancestry or something or maybe arberesh from italy
http://www.blogdotony.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/luana-piovani-63.jpg

lol not

[Smaug]

their presence is virtually non-existent as the Balkans

I exist, and I'm British.

[Smaug]

her name luana means lioness in albanian,does she have albanian ancestry or something or maybe arberesh from italy
http://www.blogdotony.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/luana-piovani-63.jpg

Luana means "moon" in Latin. She is of Italian descent.

[Damião de Góis]

her name luana means lioness in albanian,does she have albanian ancestry or something or maybe arberesh from italy


Luana Elídia Afonso Piovani

Looking at her full name, she has italian and portuguese ancestry.

[brazuca]

I exist, and I'm British.

yes! you is one of the very few who have "british blood" in Brazil,

[Damião de Góis]

No actually her stepfather is called Valter Piovani, and her biological parents are called Cassiano Leite and Francis Margarete Afonso, yet she is being posted here as italian.

[brazuca]

Luana Elídia Afonso Piovani

Looking at her full name, she has italian and portuguese ancestry.

"Portuguese" or "Brazilian"?

[Damião de Góis]

"Portuguese" or "Brazilian"?

I didn't know there were brazilian surnames. Which ones are they?

[Smaug]

yes! you is one of the very few who have "british blood" in Brazil,

Yes, and I also know other people, including friends of mine, carry it as well. I also know a consderable number of people of Scandinavian descent, so our presence here is far from non-existant.

[Smaug]

"Portuguese" or "Brazilian"?

There aren't "Brazilian" surnames haha. Afonso is Portuguese.

[brazuca]

I didn't know there were brazilian surnames. Which ones are they?

I think you understood what I meant!
There are "Brazilians" and "Portuguese" in Brazil!

[Damião de Góis]

I think you understood what I meant!
There are "Brazilians" and "Portuguese" in Brazil!

No i didn't.

[brazuca]

Yes, and I also know other people, including friends of mine, carry it as well. I also know a consderable number of people of Scandinavian descent, so our presence here is far from non-existant.

your "social circle" of friends is gigantic :rolleyes:


your love by the British and Italians seem "to blind" his vision of Brazil

[Smaug]

No i didn't.

Neither did I.

[brazuca]

No i didn't.

she is Brazilian or Portuguese ancestry?

[Smaug]

your "social circle" of friends is gigantic :rolleyes:


your love by the British and Italians seem "to blind" his vision of Brazil

I have good friends of British and Scandinavian descent. I see them almost everyday. How am I blind?

[Smaug]

she is Brazilian or Portuguese ancestry?

What the fuck do you regard as "Brazilian" acestry? This ethnicity doesn't exist.

[Shuffle]

Some of my relatives emigrated to Brazil in the 50s after WWII. They lived as refugees in Austria where they weren't accepted and some swiss organization offered the possibility to emigrate to Brazil and to get some land there near the municipality of Guarapuava in the State of Paraná. They went there and in the beginning conditions were very harsh, the major part of my relatives went back to Germany where the economic developpement was very good and gave them the chance to find well paid work, which was difficult in Brazil. Some stayed and founded the community of Entre-Rios and the cooperative Agraria, they got very successful economically, they really brought wealth to the region http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entre_Rios_(Guarapuava) and still feel Danubeswabian (which is not that widespread in Germany and Austria, where the descendants of the refugees got completely assimilated).

[brazuca]

I have good friends of British and Scandinavian descent. I see them almost everyday. How am I blind?

there is no reason for them not be in "white" on the map they are very few.

[brazuca]

What the fuck do you regard as "Brazilian" acestry? This ethnicity doesn't exist.

the largest "white" self-reported ethnicity of Brazil is the "Brazilian". a test 1998 only in some capitals, the Brazilian ethnicity gained skyrocketing.

[Smaug]

there is no reason for them not be in "white" on the map they are very few.

White stands for "non-existent", as in "there isn't a single Brazilian person with ancestry from this country", that's why they are in Green.


the largest "white" self-reported ethnicity of Brazil is the "Brazilian". a test 1998 only in some capitals, the Brazilian ethnicity gained skyrocketing.

Self-reported census is ridiculous.

[Realista]

.........

[Realista]

White stands for "non-existent", as in "there isn't a single Brazilian person with ancestry from this country", that's why they are in Green.



Self-reported census is ridiculous.
Yes, it does. Oxford dictionary, definition for ethnicity: "The fact or state of belonging to a social group that has a common national or cultural tradition".

Brazil does have that

[EdAlencar]

I have good friends of British and Scandinavian descent. I see them almost everyday. How am I blind?


their presence is virtually non-existent as the Balkans

My family has been here for quite a white. You can't pretend we don't exist.

I wish you could see a big picture of the northeastern DNA, you would be surprised.

http://angelro.org/odin/ftdna.png

[Smaug]

My family has been here for quite a white. You can't pretend we don't exist.

I wish you could see a big picture of the northeastern DNA, you would be surprised.

http://angelro.org/odin/ftdna.png

I don't understand. Are you of Scandinavian descent?

[EdAlencar]

I don't understand. Are you of Scandinavian descent?

Yep. This Scandinavian ancestry is reflecting my Dutch ancestry. I'm just trying to make a point, because brazuca said "we" shouldn't be on the map.

[Smaug]

Yep. This Scandinavian ancestry is reflecting my Dutch ancestry. I'm just trying to make a point, because brazuca said "we" shouldn't be on the map.

Are you serious?

[EdAlencar]

Are you serious?

Why wouldn't I be?

[Anthropologique]

An excellent thread. My only quip is that what you call 'pale' is, in most of your examples, more of a sallow skin tone.

How about light?

[Tooting Carmen]

How about light?

Perhaps.

[Anthropologique]

Luana means "moon" in Latin. She is of Italian descent.

She is Portuguese and Italian.

[EdAlencar]

She is Portuguese and Italian.

No Brazilian is just "British" or just "Italian" or just "Portuguese". I'm trying to understand what is going on here.

If you were born here, "you" (not you, Anthropologique (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/member.php?7034-Anthropologique)!) are Brazilian, get over it.

*unless you actually are a dual citizen, but in that case, you are also Brazilian. :p*

You totally removed northeastern Brazilians from the map, as Italians and Germans are the only people that matters to you.

For those reading the thread, this is where Dutch people settled in Brazil.

http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2014/097/4/1/dutch_brazil_by_jjohnson1701-d7dhjvh.png

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Brazil


Are you serious?

I may not be white, but you are not going to erase my history.

[Bell Beaker]

Brazil didnt received a very High number of Jews from Portugal in the XVI and XVII centuries?

[Tobi]

Brazil didnt received a very High number of Jews from Portugal in the XVI and XVII centuries?

There are a lot of persons in Brazil with new christian ancestry, but the majority do not know about it, they think the ancestry is just portuguese.

[Smaug]

No Brazilian is just "British" or just "Italian" or just "Portuguese". I'm trying to understand what is going on here.

If you were born here, "you" (not you, Anthropologique (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/member.php?7034-Anthropologique)!) are Brazilian, get over it.

*unless you actually are a dual citizen, but in that case, you are also Brazilian. :p*

You totally removed northeastern Brazilians from the map, as Italians and Germans are the only people that matters to you.

For those reading the thread, this is where Dutch people settled in Brazil.

http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2014/097/4/1/dutch_brazil_by_jjohnson1701-d7dhjvh.png

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Brazil

I may not be white for you, but you are not going to erase my history.

Nobody here is denying it, we are just talking about ethnicities. "Brazilian" is not an ethnicity, it is a nationality.

[Smaug]

I may not be white, but you are not going to erase my history.

This thread is about White Brazilians. The Dutch in the Northeast are all mixed now.

[Bell Beaker]

There are a lot of persons in Brazil with new christian ancestry, but the majority do not know about it, they think the ancestry are just portuguese.

Yeah but New Christian immigration to Brasil wasn't High as in Netherlands, USA, England....

I think that most Colonial New Christians when the dutch Conquered Pernanbuco and other regions NEAr Pernanbuco mover there because they were more tolerant....

So its very probable that most Brazilians with Jewish ancestry are from Northeast Brazil....

[Smaug]

Yeah but New Christian immigration to Brasil wasn't High as in Netherlands, USA, England....

I think that most Colonial New Christians when the dutch Conquered Pernanbuco and other regions NEAr Pernanbuco mover there because they were more tolerant....

So its very probable that most Brazilians with Jewish ancestry are from Northeast Brazil....

Most Brazilians with Jewish ancestry nowadays are Ashkenazim who arrived here after the WWII.

[EdAlencar]

This thread is about White Brazilians. The Dutch in the Northeast are all mixed now.

Mixed with Portuguese, so they are now Aliens. Do you really believe there are no white people in the Northern parts of Brazil?

I think you should visit new places before saying such thing.

[Bell Beaker]

Most Brazilians with Jewish ancestry nowadays are Ashkenazim who arrived here after the WWII.

Im talking about Crypto-Jews. Btw are they influential in Brazil?

[Smaug]

Im talking about Crypto-Jews. Btw are they influential in Brazil?

Ashkenazim? Yes.

[Tobi]

Yeah but New Christian immigration to Brasil wasn't High as in Netherlands, USA, England....

I think that most Colonial New Christians when the dutch Conquered Pernanbuco and other regions NEAr Pernanbuco mover there because they were more tolerant....

So its very probable that most Brazilians with Jewish ancestry are from Northeast Brazil....

Basically, but there are also some families and São Paulo e south with jew ancestry, the majority came to brazil during the XX century .

Also, Pernambuco have the first synagogue of Americas, the dutch was very tolerant with them. But the richest jew gone to Amsterdam and other places after the luso-reconquest, and the majority of the rest was diluted by the local population.

[Bell Beaker]

Ashkenazim? Yes.

Changing of Subject. Wich is higher in Brazilians? Portuguese ancestry or Italian?

And BTW, are White Brazilians with significant colonial ancestry?

[Tobi]

Im talking about Crypto-Jews. Btw are they influential in Brazil?

Crypto jews? I don't think we have many of them here, in Brazil jews are just person with a different faith. Basically, is cool to be jew. :speechless-smiley-0

[EdAlencar]

Mixed with Portuguese, African and Amerindian, therefore not suitable for the purpose of this thread.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?127989-Brazilian-23andme-results!&p=2717583&viewfull=1#post2717583
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?127989-Brazilian-23andme-results!&p=2720435&viewfull=1#post2720435
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?127989-Brazilian-23andme-results!&p=2724174&viewfull=1#post2724174
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?127989-Brazilian-23andme-results!&p=2832736&viewfull=1#post2832736

This thread is a joke. You are trying to portray the Brazil of your dreams.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10600587_644028165696333_5228098657042679462_n.jpg ?oh=8199414e4d0ec4fead21b66208b325c6&oe=54F0758A&__gda__=1425506610_8245ef5c2bd4671079d493952040083 9

https://scontent-b-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10487376_345492845615581_3594415764271686509_n.jpg ?oh=3c2c2a8b3ca5c1c17f65f203e3d00808&oe=54F30BEF

http://i.imgur.com/osGIess.jpg

[Smaug]

Changing of Subject. Wich is higher in Brazilians? Portuguese ancestry or Italian?

And BTW, are White Brazilians with significant colonial ancestry?

Portuguese, it is found nearly in all Brazilians, including non-Whites.

[Tobi]

Uhtred, did you know about a russian community in Primavera do Leste, Mato Grosso? The state is one of the more mixed of Brazil, but these persons are totally isolated in their own world and speak russian and greek as native language and second language and portuguese just after 7/8 years.

There's a video about it here: http://globotv.globo.com/tv-centro-america/e-bem-mato-grosso/v/conheca-uma-colonia-russa-em-primavera-do-leste/2338155/

[EdAlencar]

Uhtred, did you know about a russian community in Primavera do Leste, Mato Grosso? The state is one of the more mixed of Brazil, but these persons are totally isolated in their own world and speak russian and greek as native language and second language and portuguese just after 7/8 years.

There's a video about it here: http://globotv.globo.com/tv-centro-america/e-bem-mato-grosso/v/conheca-uma-colonia-russa-em-primavera-do-leste/2338155/

There are LOTs of Russians in Goiás as well.

[Smaug]

Uhtred, did you know about a russian community in Primavera do Leste, Mato Grosso? The state is one of the more mixed of Brazil, but these persons are totally isolated in their own world and speak russian and greek as native language and second language and portuguese just after 7/8 years.

There's a video about it here: http://globotv.globo.com/tv-centro-america/e-bem-mato-grosso/v/conheca-uma-colonia-russa-em-primavera-do-leste/2338155/

Aye, I've seen that in Globo years ago.

[EdAlencar]

The woman is clearly mixed.

And so are you, and everybody else. :)

Ps: the guy is also mixed, and you are blind.

Remove yourself from the list, mentally.

[Arbërori]

Do Russian Brazilians mix with Portuguese Brazilians or are they usually secluded to themselves?

They look like they still live in the 1920s.

[Bell Beaker]

Portuguese, it is found nearly in all Brazilians, including non-Whites.

Im talking about White Brazilians. Of course that the majority of Brazilians have some degree of Portuguese ancestry....

[Tobi]

Do Russian Brazilians mix with Portuguese Brazilians or are they usually secluded to themselves?

They look like they still live in the 1920s.

They are secluded, usually the russians communities are totally isolated from the rest of Brazil and also brazilians.

[Arbërori]

They are secluded, usually the russians communities are totally isolated from the rest of Brazil and also brazilians.

So they're basically a Russian island among Brazilians? Do they have documents or anything? Are there many of them?

[EdAlencar]

So they're basically a Russian island among Brazilians? Do they have documents or anything? Are there many of them?

Exactly. Most people don't even know they exist. They don't like to have contact with outsiders. They "imported" a Russian teacher for their kids.

[Smaug]

And so are you, and everybody else. :)

Ps: the guy is also mixed, and you are blind.

Remove yourself from the list, mentally.

I am European mixed, yes.


Im talking about White Brazilians. Of course that the majority of Brazilians have some degree of Portuguese ancestry....

Amongst whites, where I live at least, Italian in the main component.

[EdAlencar]

I am European mixed, yes.

Amongst whites, where I live at least, Italian in the main component.

Do you mind posting your DNA's results? I would love to see how you have that Portuguese ancestry without any middle eastern influence.

[Smaug]

So they're basically a Russian island among Brazilians? Do they have documents or anything? Are there many of them?

Of course they have documents. They are citizens of the Republic.

[Tobi]

So they're basically a Russian island among Brazilians? Do they have documents or anything? Are there many of them?

Yes. They are brazilians for law, and the kids need to frequenting brazilian schools. But the contact ends here, they have their own world.

There are communities in Paraná, São Paulo, Goiás, Mato Grosso and probably in other states too. Not sure about the numbers, :p

[aimar]

Yes. They are brazilians for law, and the kids need to frequenting brazilian schools. But the contact ends here, they have their own world.


Like asians in Portugal.

[EdAlencar]

I don't really care about some drops of Middle Eastern blood.

I thought you would say that, and that basically sums up what I said. We believe whatever we want.

I just don't think you are qualified to talk about a Nation, when you clearly haven't visited all states like I have.

[Bell Beaker]

Like asians in Portugal.

Gypsies would be like Asians if the government wasn't stupid and anti-Portuguese.

[Smaug]

I thought you would say that, and that basically sums up what I said. We believe whatever we want.

I just don't think you are qualified to talk about a Nation, when you clearly haven't visited all states like I have.

I have travelled to your Northeast, and I haven't seen a single white person there. In Minas Gerais I saw some, mainly in the southern part of the state. Anyway, I consider my nation to be São Paulo, which I know very well.

[EdAlencar]

I have travelled to your Northeast, and I haven't seen a single white person there. In Minas Gerais I saw some, mainly in the southern part of the state. Anyway, I consider my nation to be São Paulo, which I know very well.

That explains it. You need to travel to the small cities, far from the metropolitan or tourist areas.

Do you know Mariana Ximenes?

Well, guess what? Her mother is Cearense, of Dutch ancestry.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/Mariana_Ximenes%2C_2012.jpg/399px-Mariana_Ximenes%2C_2012.jpg

Edit:

Oops! I forgot, she is mixed Portuguese, Italian and Amerindian, so she isn't white anymore.

[aimar]

Gypsies would be like Asians if the government wasn't stupid and anti-Portuguese.

Não consigo imaginar ciganos a trabalhar, está para lá do meu alcance :D
Aqui em Viseu há um clã deles particularmente desprezível, putos de 10 anos por aí, vão para o meio da rotunda todos nús fazer piretes aos carros que passam, e os pais todos contentes a vê-los da barraca.
Qualquer dia passo um a ferro, e cai-me a famelga toda em cima.

[Smaug]

Oops! I forgot, she is mixed Portuguese and Amerindian, so she isn't white anymore.

I never said it. Why do you keep repeating it?

[Bell Beaker]

Não consigo imaginar ciganos a trabalhar, está para lá do meu alcance :D

Trabalha pela amizade ao alheio. Olha uma vez a minha mãe foi requisitada por uma cigana vvelha que não sabia ler para lhe ler a declaração de rendimento mínimo, 1000 EUROS escarrapachados!!!!!

Puta que os pariu!

[Bell Beaker]

Não consigo imaginar ciganos a trabalhar, está para lá do meu alcance :D

Trabalha pela amizade ao alheio. Olha uma vez a minha mãe foi requisitada por uma cigana vvelha que não sabia ler para lhe ler a declaração de rendimento mínimo, 1000 EUROS escarrapachados!!!!!

Puta que os pariu!

[aimar]

Trabalha pela amizade ao alheio. Olha uma vez a minha mãe foi requisitada por uma cigana vvelha que não sabia ler para lhe ler a declaração de rendimento mínimo, 1000 EUROS escarrapachados!!!!!

Puta que os pariu!

fodase, fora o que ganham em peditórios de rua, isto está bom é para quem é cigano.

[EdAlencar]

I never said it. Why do you keep repeating it?

"This thread is about ~> blink White Brazilians<-~ blink. The Dutch in the Northeast are all mixed now."

[Smaug]

"This thread is about White Brazilians. The Dutch in the Northeast are all mixed now."

Yes, but what I said is that the Dutch in the Northeast are mixed with AMERINDIANS and AFRICANS, not Portuguese. They might be mixed with Portuguese as well, but that's not the factor that makes them non-White. The Portuguese are white.

[Dictator]

:picard2:

[aimar]

Não há nenhum branco no nordeste? :D
Parece difícil de acreditar.

[Tobi]

Trabalha pela amizade ao alheio. Olha uma vez a minha mãe foi requisitada por uma cigana vvelha que não sabia ler para lhe ler a declaração de rendimento mínimo, 1000 EUROS escarrapachados!!!!!

Puta que os pariu!

O que os ciganos costumam fazer da vida aí? Aqui eles ficam nas pracinhas parando as pessoas para ler a mão, sorte, falar sobre mal feitos, quebrar feitiços e coisas do tipo, kkkkkk

[EdAlencar]

Yes, but what I said is that the Dutch in the Northeast are mixed with AMERINDIANS and AFRICANS, not Portuguese. They might be mixed with Portuguese as well, but that's not the factor that makes them non-White. The Portuguese are white.

I quoted Mariana Ximenes and she has native American blood, so that makes her non-white, like my family.

http://www.srtasenhorita.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/mariana-ximenes-glamour-02.jpg

And before mentioning me as the African mix example, know that I have 75 cousins and 10 aunts and uncles from my paternal (Dutch) side, and that my grandfather has 7 living siblings, with dozens of kids and grand children.

[Smaug]

Não há nenhum branco no nordeste? :D
Parece difícil de acreditar.

Sim há, mas eles estão anos luz de serem representativos entre a população do nordeste como são aqui.

[Smaug]

I quoted Mariana Ximenes and she has native American blood, so that makes her non-white, like my family.

http://www.srtasenhorita.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/mariana-ximenes-glamour-02.jpg

And before mentioning me as the African mix example, know that I have 75 cousins and 10 aunts and uncles from my paternal (Dutch) side, and that my grandfather has 7 living siblings, with dozens of kids and grand children.

And before mentioning me as the African mix example, know that I have 75 cousins and 10 aunts and uncles from my paternal (Dutch) side, and that my grandfather has 7 living siblings, with dozens of kids and grand children.

I didn't get the part in bold: what being an African mix have to do with having... relatives?

Anyway, Mariana Ximenes' Native ancestry must be below 5%...

[EdAlencar]

And before mentioning me as the African mix example, know that I have 75 cousins and 10 aunts and uncles from my paternal (Dutch) side, and that my grandfather has 7 living siblings, with dozens of kids and grand children.

I didn't get the part in bold: what being an African mix have to do with having... relatives?

Anyway, Mariana Ximenes' Native ancestry must be below 5%...

That the maternal side also influences your DNA.

http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/ce3/c99/5c2/resized/tadaaa-meme-generator-re-wer-9d8008.jpg

[Leto]

Uhtred, did you know about a russian community in Primavera do Leste, Mato Grosso? The state is one of the more mixed of Brazil, but these persons are totally isolated in their own world and speak russian and greek as native language and second language and portuguese just after 7/8 years.

There's a video about it here: http://globotv.globo.com/tv-centro-america/e-bem-mato-grosso/v/conheca-uma-colonia-russa-em-primavera-do-leste/2338155/
I know about them. They are so traditional and live segregated from the world outside. There are similar Russian communities in Bolivia and Argentina. Those Russians escaped religious persecution and left Russia, because their religion is not mainstream, it's some sect. They have no churches, no priests, they pray together at home. When I see them, I feel like I'm watching scenes from the past. And I'm sure I wouldn't belong there. I might look like them and understand their language, but at the same time I'm very distant from their way of life.

[aimar]

O que os ciganos costumam fazer da vida aí? Aqui eles ficam nas pracinhas parando as pessoas para ler a mão, sorte, falar sobre mal feitos, quebrar feitiços e coisas do tipo, kkkkkk

Em jovens gostam de repetir o 8º ano por 4 ou 5 vezes, é nestes anos que começa o gosto pela extorsão e roubo e também quando elas são mães pela primeira vez.

Em adultos podemos observá-los em parques de estacionamento de grandes superfícies comerciais, em várias versões, o cigano vende-cestas, cigano estropiado e cigano cigano ( este não apela à pena como o estropiado, nem nos dá algo em troca do nosso dinheiro, apenas pede insistentemente, até quase lhe entalarmos os dedos enquanto fechamos a porta do carro).

[Smaug]

That the maternal side also influences your DNA.

http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/ce3/c99/5c2/resized/tadaaa-meme-generator-re-wer-9d8008.jpg

Bloody hell, either you are dyslexic and fails to build proper sentences, or you English is just really bad. You made absolutely no sense now. But enough of this. I don't want anymore off-topic on my thread.

[Bell Beaker]

O que os ciganos costumam fazer da vida aí? Aqui eles ficam nas pracinhas parando as pessoas para ler a mão, sorte, falar sobre mal feitos, quebrar feitiços e coisas do tipo, kkkkkk

Nada de jeito. Roubam, e depois vendem nas feiras, recebem rendimento mínimo e em troca deixam de ser nómadas e passam a ficar sedentários e metem os filhos na escola (para fazer merda), as rendas de casa (que nem são más de todo) são muito baixas, não pagam impostos creio, não pagam passe ( não pagam porque toda a gente tem medo deles), não é nada raro ver um cigano com um bruto BMW ou outro carro caro à porta de casa. E ainda recebem rendimento mínimo.

Tudo isto saí dos nossos bolsos, dos Portugueses que trabalham. Tudo em nome da "integração" dos Ciganos em Portugal.... Mas o que a mim me interessa 60 mil filhos da luta que nnunca contribuíram nada para o país com 10 milhões de Portugueses que não fazem nada de mal e constrói em este país dia dia?


O melhor é que no fim do ddia vêm os fdps do SOS Racismo dizer que os ciganos não se integram porque nós os descriminamos....

[King Claus]

Rubens" Rarrichello "

http://www.zerotohundred.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/rubens-barrichello-600x338.jpg





His last name should be Barrichello

[Smaug]

Rubens Rarrichello

http://www.zerotohundred.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/rubens-barrichello-600x338.jpg


What? He is a F1 racer by the way.

[King Claus]

What? He is a F1 racer by the way.
Yea, I've seen him race with schumacher and mika hakinen. That's why I remembered his name.

[EdAlencar]

That is why we underline things, to make them clear. When you said my aunt is clearly mixed, you excluded her from your white Brazilian list. I was just trying to say that not everyone in my family (or in the northeastern region) is mixed, but you probably got that, since your interpretation skills are outstanding.

I never tried to change the direction of this thread (and never did), and I never asked you to quote me asking questions, so if you didn't want me to show you that you are being delusional, you should have just asked me to stop replying.

[Tobi]

I know about them. They are so traditional and live segregated from the world outside. There are similar Russian communities in Bolivia and Argentina. Those Russians escaped religious persecution and left Russia, because their religion is not mainstream, it's some sect. They have no churches, no priests, they pray together at home. When I see them, I feel like I'm watching scenes from the past. And I'm sure I wouldn't belong there. I might look like them and understand their language, but at the same time I'm very distant from their way of life.

They will be perceived as "aliens" in the russian society today?

[Bell Beaker]

Em jovens gostam de repetir o 8º ano por 4 ou 5 vezes, é nestes anos que começa o gosto pela extorsão e roubo e também quando elas são mães pela primeira vez.

Em adultos podemos observá-los em parques de estacionamento de grandes superfícies comerciais, em várias versões, o cigano vende-cestas, cigano estropiado e cigano cigano ( este não apela à pena como o estropiado, nem nos dá algo em troca do nosso dinheiro, apenas pede insistentemente, até quase lhe entalarmos os dedos enquanto fechamos a porta do carro).

8 ano? Quando andava no 5 ano e no 6 ano tinha um ou dois ciganos na minha turma com 18 anos.

Melhor havia turmas com pretos com 18 anos no 3 e 4 ano. Até um Branco todo sidoso andava no 4 ano com 16 ou 17 anos...:picard1:

[Dictator]

I knew this would happen one time or another. Now it's time to clean the off-topic.

[Smaug]

That is why we underline things, to make them clear. When you said my aunt is clearly mixed, you excluded her from your white Brazilian list. I was just trying to say that not everyone in my family (or in the northeastern region) is mixed, but you probably got that, since your interpretation skills are outstanding.

I never tried to change the direction of this thread (and never did), and I never asked you to quote me asking questions, so if you didn't want me to show you that you are being delusional, you should have just asked me to stop replying.

Fair enough.

[Bell Beaker]

I knew this would happen one time or another. Now it's time to clean the off-topic.

Porque? Falar de ciganos é sempre uma boa forma de descarregar as raivas!:cool:

[Dictator]

Porque? Falar de ciganos é sempre uma boa forma de descarregar as raivas!:cool:

Not that. The Uhtred vs Edmoreirajr thing.

[Smaug]

Off-Topic deleted. Let's keep this thread clean.

[Leto]

They will be perceived as "aliens" in the russian society today?
Yes, they will. Actually, some of them have already attempted to return, but this state isn't really welcoming them. Common people were kind to them, but the thing is that such groups deliberately distance themselves from others. They are similar to the Amish in the US.

[EdAlencar]

I stalked my friends a little and collected some pictures of what could be considered white in the northeastern states. These are mixed people, and they all pass as white in Brazil (by normal Brazilian people). I hope the privacy settings of all these Facebook photos are set to 'public'.

http://www.patricinhaesperta.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/mariana-ximenes-passione1.jpg

-- Here is my contribution to the thread --

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-2QyhikzY1Zo/T8PwJv0B00I/AAAAAAAAAn4/lN0_6ayl-ho/s1600/4NORDESTE.jpg

Close friends/classmates/cousin/aunt:

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https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10686747_707624112645059_1576236173376902336_n.jpg ?oh=4a0bea357bcee319c8a142b8cc3fd089&oe=54D65FB8&__gda__=1423947520_dbcfa95890d018cd75441a0032e6b54 e

https://scontent-a-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t31.0-8/s960x960/1026081_583938968294210_967451766_o.jpg

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https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t34.0-12/10151594_689350851108272_834531060_n.jpg?oh=28d42f fa8f8efce9c7931d3402215e37&oe=545EE08A&__gda__=1415519255_4a3ca794feea72a7e68f7ed72de594a 7

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/1233611_721675967918164_7579783593324964926_n.jpg? oh=567fe5b97d16f6ad3346aed7638efcef&oe=54F265CA&__gda__=1423312721_800ac61cc65e808b4fd54972c322ab5 f

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10380280_10204264866481479_2389489128627828771_n.j pg?oh=6255824b17a873aad2ff31b0bbb5114b&oe=54F3172B&__gda__=1423543934_c18e67bbfde13c85767a4c5a7933c95 a

Here a group pic of ordinary people (notice the amount of "white" people in the background):

https://scontent-a-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/399221_262747390476068_1016102663_n.jpg?oh=02cbcb7 032f873b476928ae88d050eb7&oe=54D697F5

My cousins' graduation, in one of the "blackest" states of Brazil:

https://scontent-b-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t31.0-8/10710278_691664460925387_6544917571361804625_o.jpg

https://scontent-b-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10660302_685870578171442_834909921572342832_n.jpg? oh=e3fb29c962547c2ce7d51a8b6e1c11a8&oe=54E2C072

Note: Not all of them are white, obviously.

Cousins:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t31.0-8/s960x960/1052242_823786631043167_234959539262902461_o.jpg

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-- Famous YouTubers --

Camilla Uckers:

https://scontent-a-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t31.0-8/s960x960/902917_10152743259935414_1064588835_o.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/user/CamillaUckers

Whindersson Nunes:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kcn2u08hQRI/U07MHfPBc2I/AAAAAAAAA_E/8eHZma2Pl4c/s1600/971262_616203425120405_1551217826_n.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3KQ5GWANYF8lChqjZpXsQw

---

Eduardo Campos (an Alencar), a presidential candidate who died in a plane crash some weeks ago:

http://www.aereo.jor.br/wp-content/uploads//2014/08/Eduardo-Campos.jpg

His family:

http://www.celebspe.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Eduardo-Campos.jpg

Ex-president Lula:

http://www.fronteiraweb.com/fw/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/27.12.2010WDO_7065.jpg

José Wilker, a famous actor from my mother's city:

http://www.edilsonsilva.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Jos%C3%A9-Wilker.jpg

Classmates and her Paraibana mother and family:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/318409_162322130530437_1098528144_n.jpg?oh=0265e80 646621699b03bfd7a92320602&oe=54E0B353&__gda__=1423656626_9e9c56bbe0438a9c584c0131124764a 8

https://scontent-a-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/p526x296/10731157_689164264512885_5589364307730967015_n.jpg ?oh=76f575c51a51a9dc056e8948732ac811&oe=551EBA49

https://scontent-a-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10448808_766759373346436_9181192974211733065_n.jpg ?oh=33871c50d8bf31ffff31c013816f7127&oe=54D7FEF4

Miss Pernambuco, Paula Luck:

http://blogs.ne10.uol.com.br/social1/files/2012/09/paula-luck.jpg

Miss Piaui 2011, Renata Lustosa:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-CLvI03-oHFI/TmELAbWlabI/AAAAAAAAAGY/-FTyjDAaSJk/s1600/renata+2011_0090.JPG

Natália Oliveira, Miss Paraiba:

http://imagem.band.com.br/f_161394.jpg

http://entretenimento.r7.com/blogs/tudo-miss-e-tudo-mais/files/2012/08/pb8.jpeg

Miss Alagoas Kamila Brandão:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nJiKFj8i31M/Tflfe99KhnI/AAAAAAAAAfs/oe2w6TyGRJM/s1600/miss0001.jpg

Lariza Lima, miss Natal:

http://www.wandilsonramalho.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Natal.jpg

http://www.maisglam.com.br/site2011/_up/fck/b.jpg

-- More famous people --

Pitty (singer):

http://data3.whicdn.com/images/13654265/original.png

Elba Ramalho (singer):

http://www.curtamais.com.br/curtamais/media/images/I_6F736E79D8911697229D.jpg

Vladimir Brichta (actor)

http://s2.glbimg.com/lA8iAvGDuMyLDrTg3RNztXcaX2Okl2LbxFU5CfLb6sPUrB2Mjn HSIvxieTU6DS7R/s.glbimg.com/et/pr/f/original/2012/11/07/vladimir3.jpg

Emiliano Queiroz (actor):

http://s2.glbimg.com/MxXnNbEayuDhd6YbeCT_LsWZDKE=/e.glbimg.com/og/ed/f/original/2014/08/22/emiliano-4.jpg

Geraldo Azevedo (singer):

http://www.ofuxico.com.br/img/upload/aniversariantes/2012/03/06/420_251.jpg

Luiza Tomé (actress):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/Lu%C3%ADza_Tom%C3%A91.jpg

Marco Ninani:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-C43S0QQHgi0/TadnMkl86dI/AAAAAAAAAC0/2XH9V2XIL9c/s1600/74273-marco-nanini-180311-1-original.jpg

Rachel de Queiroz, a very famous writer (another Alencar -- my traditional family <3):

http://edicoesdemocritorocha.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Rachel-de-Queiroz-756x768.jpg

Mayara Neiva (actress):

http://www.marcosproenca.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Mayana-Neiva_mp4.jpg

Wagner Moura:

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Wagner+Moura+Praia+futuro+Photo+Call+Berlin+JzvlGT bJbYll.jpg

Jô Soares, famous TV presenter:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Al6KLXXHoR4/U9_BPc91oOI/AAAAAAAAzmM/EGb7uMNKstg/s1600/jo+soares.png

PS: He was not born in the northeast region, but he father was.

Cláudia Leitte, at the world cup opening ceremony:

http://veja1.abrilm.com.br/assets/images/2014/6/228123/vitale-copa-abertura-20140612-06-size-598.JPG?1402599899

Again, just to make things clear before people get butthurt, these are mixed people (European or not, who cares?) who look white to us. By "us", I mean Brazilians who have been here since the 'beginning' of time. Our families helped to build the country, and planted seeds in every single corner of this multicultural place.

[EdAlencar]

Yeah but New Christian immigration to Brasil wasn't High as in Netherlands, USA, England....

I think that most Colonial New Christians when the dutch Conquered Pernanbuco and other regions NEAr Pernanbuco mover there because they were more tolerant....

So its very probable that most Brazilians with Jewish ancestry are from Northeast Brazil....

http://brasil.estadao.com.br/noticias/geral,brasil-nao-tem-mais-descendente-do-grupo-de-judeus-do-recife,900310

"Breda afirma haver histórias de algumas famílias que se dispersaram pelo sertão nordestino. “Mas nunca vi um estudo comprobatório que demonstre linearmente a descendência de um judeu praticante do Brasil Holandês remanescente no País. O que posso afirmar com certeza é que antes e depois dos holandeses havia cristãos-novos, às vezes de famílias convertidas havia muitas gerações, vivendo por todo o Brasil.”

O historiador acrescenta que “nem todos os que estavam lá em 1630 passaram a professar o judaísmo publicamente”. “Portanto, há descendentes de cristãos-novos no Nordeste inteiro, mas naturalmente, como em todo o País, trata-se de uma composição parcial da genética do brasileiro, tal como negros, índios e outros grupos caucasianos.” Uma das marcas da presença judaica no Recife é a Rua Bom Jesus, antes conhecida como Rua dos Judeus."

[curupira]

I have travelled to your Northeast, and I haven't seen a single white person there..

I have been there (Bahia, Alagoas, Sergipe, Pernambuco and Ceará), and I have seen many who look very euro influenced. On 23andme I see the same, regularly (someone opened a thread with results and pics here: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?139905-LATINO-23ANDME-GENETIC-RESULTS-WITH-PICTURES/page45 http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?139905-LATINO-23ANDME-GENETIC-RESULTS-WITH-PICTURES/page5;)

I trust more DNA studies who measure real ancestry.

Check this latest autosomal study form 2013 (São Paulo is not really more european in terms of ancestry than Pernambuco and Alagoas):
http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchObject.action?uri=info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjour nal.pone.0075145&representation=PDF

http://i59.tinypic.com/kcf2bb.jpg

And Southeast Brazil is not that much more european than Northeast Brazil.
http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchObject.action?uri=info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjour nal.pone.0075145&representation=PDF

http://i58.tinypic.com/2unytmd.jpg

[curupira]

Senhores de Engenho and their descendants... from Northeast Brazil:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?105571-Senhores-de-Engenho-XIX-century-pics-(Northeast-Brazil)&highlight=Engenho

[Smaug]

I have been there (Bahia, Alagoas, Sergipe, Pernambuco and Ceará), and I have seen many who look very euro influenced. On 23andme I see the same, regularly (someone opened a thread with results and pics here: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?139905-LATINO-23ANDME-GENETIC-RESULTS-WITH-PICTURES/page45 http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?139905-LATINO-23ANDME-GENETIC-RESULTS-WITH-PICTURES/page5;)

I trust more DNA studies who measure real ancestry.

Check this latest autosomal study form 2013 (São Paulo is not really more european in terms of ancestry than Pernambuco and Alagoas):
http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchObject.action?uri=info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjour nal.pone.0075145&representation=PDF

http://i59.tinypic.com/kcf2bb.jpg

And Southeast Brazil is not that much more european than Northeast Brazil.
http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchObject.action?uri=info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjour nal.pone.0075145&representation=PDF

http://i58.tinypic.com/2unytmd.jpg

Everybody I saw looked Euro influenced, but that doesn't make them white.

[curupira]

Everybody I saw looked Euro influenced, but that doesn't make them white.

If you are referring to fully european in ancestry people then I agree, Northeast Brazil has people with older ancestry. But not always. The founder of Casas Pernambucanas, a major Brazilian store, for example, was a Swede who established himself in Recife in the last century. Fully european in ancestry are concentrated in São Paulo, Rio de Janeiro and immigrant pockets in Southern Brazil. Still, Northeast Brazil has many people who are 90% euro in ancestry (at least on 23andme they appear with a high frequency). The number with very significant predominant in ancestry european (>75%) is even higher. EdMoreira is more than 80% euro, and he comes from the deepest parts of Northeast Brazil.

[Smaug]

If you are referring to fully european in ancestry people then I agree, Northeast Brazil has people with older ancestry. But not always. The founder of Casas Pernambucanas, a major Brazilian store, for example, was a Swede who established himself in Recife in the last century. Fully european in ancestry are concentrated in São Paulo, Rio de Janeiro and immigrant pockets in Southern Brazil. Still, Northeast Brazil has many people who are 90% euro in ancestry (at least on 23andme they appear with a high frequency). The number with very significant predominant in ancestry european (>75%) is even higher. EdMoreira is more euro, f.e., than the Chilean Brighton...

Brighton will kill himself now.

[saci]

Brazil didnt received a very High number of Jews from Portugal in the XVI and XVII centuries?

O mito sobre a origem de sobrenomes de judeus convertidos:
http://oglobo.globo.com/brasil/o-mito-sobre-origem-de-sobrenomes-de-judeus-convertidos-5227424

[askra]

Antônio Remo Usai


http://www.cultura.rj.gov.br/blog/img/gd/remo_usai_1306946813.jpg

Brazilian composer and musician with sardinian ancestry. He was born in 1928 in Rio De Janeiro.


Mino Carta

http://blog.diarinho.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/dscf0300-thumb.jpg

Mino Carta, pseudonym of Demetrio Giuliano Gianni Carta (Born c. 1933 in Genoa) is an Italian-born Brazilian journalist, publisher and writer. Carta helped in the creation of Veja, Istoé and CartaCapital, three of the four leading newsmagazines currently published in Brazil.

Biography

Carta arrived in São Paulo, São Paulo with his sardinian family after the War in 1946, when he "still wore short pants". He was probably 12 or 13 years old at that time. He recalls São Paulo as a "quiet and orderly" town with "human measures".

In 1951, Carta did a vestibular exam and was admitted at the University of São Paulo's traditional Law School of Largo São Francisco. His enrollment records state that he was born on September 3, 1933. He attended the classes of the first years, but quit and ended up never graduating from higher education.

In 1960 he started his career in journalism by helping to found Editora Abril automobile magazine Quatro Rodas. In 1966, he introduced new journalism in Brazil by founding São Paulo-based newspaper Jornal da Tarde. Two years later, he helped Victor Civita of Abril to found Veja, which currently is the leading newsmagazine in the country, with a circulation of over a million copies per edition. Unsatisfied with the result, he helped in the foundation of Istoé in 1976. Yet not completely satisfied with the result, he founded CartaCapital in 1994. On the new magazine, he and other columnists emphatically criticize neoliberal and neocon politics that are recently defended by Veja.

Of all the publications Carta helped create during his life, only one, the defunct Jornal da República, failed to succeed. The 1970s newspaper had a large déficit on its budget.

Disappointed with the position of Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva in the Cesare Battisti case, Carta decided to retire from his blog and his column on CartaCapital.


Fernanda Montenegro

http://belissima.globo.com/Novela/Belissima/foto/0,,3875222,00.jpg

Fernanda Montenegro (born Arlete Pinheiro Esteves da Silva; October 16, 1929) is a Brazilian stage, television and film actress, mostly recognized for her leading role in Central Station, which she was nominated for the Academy Award for Best Actress, becoming the first Brazilian actor to be nominated.

She is commonly revered as one of Brazil's finest actresses and referred to as "The First Lady of Brazilian Theater" and "The First Lady of Brazilian Television".

Montenegro was born Arlete Pinheiro Esteves da Silva in Rio de Janeiro, of Portuguese and Italian descent,from the island of Sardinia. Regarding the adoption of a stage name, the actress has stated that she chose Fernanda simply because of its sonority, whilst Montenegro was the surname of her family's doctor. Montenegro was married to Fernando Torres from 1954 until his death in 2008. They had two children: Fernanda Torres who is an actress and has been nominated for the Cannes Film Festival and film director Cláudio Torres.


Rossana Ghessa

http://i.imgur.com/5jYhnFj.jpg

Rossana Ghessa (born 24 January 1943) is an Italian actress, from Sardinia, and a naturalized Brazilian. She appeared in 43 films between 1966 and 1996.

[Brighton]

Brighton will kill himself now.
Go kill yourself you son of a bitch Nazi-wannabe.


If you are referring to fully european in ancestry people then I agree, Northeast Brazil has people with older ancestry. But not always. The founder of Casas Pernambucanas, a major Brazilian store, for example, was a Swede who established himself in Recife in the last century. Fully european in ancestry are concentrated in São Paulo, Rio de Janeiro and immigrant pockets in Southern Brazil. Still, Northeast Brazil has many people who are 90% euro in ancestry (at least on 23andme they appear with a high frequency). The number with very significant predominant in ancestry european (>75%) is even higher. EdMoreira is more euro, f.e., than the Chilean Brighton...
Do not talk about me when I'm not here you old retard.

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Thanks to the one who told me they were talking about me ;)

[saci]

http://brasil.estadao.com.br/noticias/geral,brasil-nao-tem-mais-descendente-do-grupo-de-judeus-do-recife,900310

"Breda afirma haver histórias de algumas famílias que se dispersaram pelo sertão nordestino. “Mas nunca vi um estudo comprobatório que demonstre linearmente a descendência de um judeu praticante do Brasil Holandês remanescente no País. O que posso afirmar com certeza é que antes e depois dos holandeses havia cristãos-novos, às vezes de famílias convertidas havia muitas gerações, vivendo por todo o Brasil.”

O historiador acrescenta que “nem todos os que estavam lá em 1630 passaram a professar o judaísmo publicamente”. “Portanto, há descendentes de cristãos-novos no Nordeste inteiro, mas naturalmente, como em todo o País, trata-se de uma composição parcial da genética do brasileiro, tal como negros, índios e outros grupos caucasianos.” Uma das marcas da presença judaica no Recife é a Rua Bom Jesus, antes conhecida como Rua dos Judeus."

seu sangue do oriente-medio é bem alto para um brasileiro, você deve ter sangue de cristãos-novo!

[curupira]

Do not talk about me when I'm not here you old retard.

It was important to stress how high the euro ancestry of EdMoreira (> 80% euro, and yet coming from the deepest parts of the interior of Northeast Brazil) is, an example of how distorted the Northeast of Brazil here is by people from other parts of Brazil. Nothing personal against you, ok?

[EdAlencar]

seu sangue do oriente-medio é bem alto para um brasileiro, você deve ter sangue de cristãos-novo!

Fiquei pensando nisso hoje mais cedo, depois de assistir esse trecho desse vídeo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mi2zfCRcBGE&feature=youtu.be&t=13m56s

Eu ficaria muito feliz se pudesse confirmar isso.

Você acha que é possível, curupira?

Minha família é daquela área, e eu tenho descendência Holandesa.

[curupira]

Eu ficaria muito feliz se pudesse confirmar isso.

Você acha que é possível, curupira?

Minha família é daquela área, e eu tenho descendência holandesa.

É possível. Mas o seu resultado quanto a 'near east' no MyOrigins bate com resultados de brasileiros de outras regiões, de outras pessoas da América Latina e mesmo iberos. Não é nada acima do normal ou diferente da média. Nem acho que seja indicativo de ancestralidade real do oriente médio. Há um fluxo genético, pequeno e limitado, do Norte da África para a península ibera e vice-versa, mas nada mais além disso.

[saci]

Fiquei pensando nisso hoje mais cedo, depois de assistir esse trecho desse vídeo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mi2zfCRcBGE&feature=youtu.be&t=13m56s

Eu ficaria muito feliz se pudesse confirmar isso.

Você acha que é possível, curupira?

Minha família é daquela área, e eu tenho descendência holandesa.

cara você tem alto grau de sangue norte africano para os padrões brasileiros e ainda marcou oriente-médio(raros em brasileiros) eu diria que tem 80% de sangue judeu. você tem certeza que seu sangue holandês veio daquela época? voce não tem um bisavo misturado com algum europeu do norte no começo do seculo 20?

[saci]

É possível. Mas o seu resultado quanto a 'near east' no MyOrigins bate com resultados de brasileiros de outras regiões, de outras pessoas da América Latina e mesmo iberos. Não é nada acima do normal ou diferente da média. Nem acho que seja indicativo de ancestralidade real do oriente médio. Há um fluxo genético, pequeno e limitado, do Norte da África para a península ibera e vice-versa, mas nada mais além disso.

eu raramente vejo brasileiros marcarem mais de 2% norte africano em resultados geneticos e mais raro ainda oriente medio.

[curupira]

Você não sabe nada do que está falando. Se ele tivesse alguma ancestralidade judia significativa apareceria, no resultado dele, como 'jewish'. O resultado dele não é nem um pouco alto para brasileiros, ao contrário, está na média. Tenho conta no familytreedna, e já vi resultados lá não apenas de brasileiros, mas também de outras pessoas da América Latina e de iberos. Tem gente da Espanha, por exemplo, que tirou 8% norte africano no MyOrigins, e que não tem antepassado recente de lá. Isso é fruto de um fluxo genético pequeno e limitado de milhares de anos, só isso.


cara você tem alto grau de sangue norte africano para os padrões brasileiros e ainda marcou oriente-médio(raros em brasileiros) eu diria que tem 80% de sangue judeu. você tem certeza que seu sangue holandês veio daquela época? voce não tem um bisavo misturado com algum europeu do norte no começo do seculo 20?

[curupira]

No FamilyTreeDNA é super comum com brasileiros, outras pessoas da América Latina e mesmo iberos. Deveria ter uma conta lá, e acompanhar resultados durante anos, como eu, para não poder falar m.


eu raramente vejo brasileiros marcarem mais de 2% norte africano em resultados geneticos e mais raro ainda oriente medio.

[Brighton]

It was important to stress how high the euro ancestry of EdMoreira (> 80% euro, and yet coming from the deepest parts of the interior of Northeast Brazil) is, an example of how distorted the Northeast of Brazil here is by people from other parts of Brazil. Nothing personal against you, ok?

Don't like people talking behind my back. Don't be a wanker.

Also, everyone knows most people in the Northeast would be considered BLACK in the US. Full stop.

[curupira]

Northeast Brazilians are on average more European than Chileans. And if it is about US standards, you'd be enrolled in a Native American tribe and likely be living in a Native American reservation with your 25% native input.

Northeast Brazil (American study, Human Biology, vol 37, number 1, led by the geneticists D. F. Roberts e R. W. Hiorns):

65% european
25% african
9% native american (= ~ 75% non African)

Chile (Chilean study from 2013):
http://www.scielo.cl/pdf/rmc/v142n3/art01.pdf

44.34% (± 3.9%) native american
51.85% (± 5.44%) european
3.81% (± 0.45%) african.


Don't like people talking behind my back. Don't be a wanker.

Also, everyone knows most people in the Northeast would be considered BLACK in the US. Full stop.

[curupira]

Don't like people talking behind my back. Don't be a wanker.

And I was not talking of you behind your back. I just mentioned his results and yours. It was important to make the contrast, since Brazilians from other regions have a habit of distorting the composition of Northeast Brazil. EdMoreira, a Northeast Brazilian from the deep interior of Northeast Brazil, scored over 80% euro, whereas you - an upper class Chilean who studies in the most prestigious Chilean university, who has been to British universities, etc) scored lower (~75%). Just this. People have done the same to me here and elsewhere and I did not have your cheap reaction, throwing around insults.

[Brighton]

Northeast Brazilians are on average more European than Chileans. And if it is about US standards, you'd be enrolled in a Native American tribe and likely be living in a Native American reservation with your 25% native input.

Northeast Brazil (American study, Human Biology, vol 37, number 1, led by the geneticists D. F. Roberts e R. W. Hiorns):

65% european
25% african
9% native american (= 75% non African)

Chile (Chilean study from 2013):
http://www.scielo.cl/pdf/rmc/v142n3/art01.pdf

44.34% (± 3.9%) native american
51.85% (± 5.44%) european
3.81% (± 0.45%) african.

You do know that study used soldiers mostly from Arica, right??

Ergo, mostly working-class people mostly from Northern Chile.. the less European input you could ever have in Chile haha.

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Also, there are plenty of Native Americans living in cities in the US, which you don't know cos you're a trashy old guy who barely studied.

[curupira]

Will you keep mentioning it? It sampled people from all the parts of Chile, just read it. It was fully published now, and it has people from all over Chile. I'm not saying it is right either, it could be wrong. But since you did not hesitate in suggesting Northeast Brazil to be a little Africa, when it is not, I had to quote it. Anyway, I just wanted to make a point by mentioning you. I'll edit it and remove your name, if that's what you want.

http://i58.tinypic.com/2crp00n.jpg


You do know that study used soldiers mostly from Arica, right??

Ergo, mostly working-class people mostly from Northern Chile.. the less European input you could ever have in Chile haha.

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Also, there are plenty of Native Americans living in cities in the US, which you don't know cos you're a trashy old guy who barely studied.

[Brighton]

http://i58.tinypic.com/2unytmd.jpg

And according to this map you posted I'm more European than Southern Brazilians anyway hahaha.. which is hilarious.

They're 15% African on average which is quite a lot considering African input tends to be very visible..

[saci]

Você não sabe nada do que está falando. Se ele tivesse alguma ancestralidade judia significativa apareceria, no resultado dele, como 'jewish'. O resultado dele não é nem um pouco alto para brasileiros, ao contrário, está na média. Tenho conta no familytreedna, e já vi resultados lá não apenas de brasileiros, mas também de outras pessoas da América Latina e de iberos. Tem gente da Espanha, por exemplo, que tirou 8% norte africano no MyOrigins, e que não tem antepassado recente de lá. Isso é fruto de um fluxo genético pequeno e limitado de milhares de anos, só isso.

no 23andme os brasileiros não marcam muito alto norte-africanos

[curupira]

Yes, Southern Brazil is not a copy of Europe. 15% can be visible - significantly or slightly - or not. Anyway, if it is about US standards, I've got American cousins on 23andme who are on the 10% to 15% native range, who are legally registered native americans and enrolled at native tribes...


And according to this map you posted I'm more European than Southern Brazilians anyway hahaha.. which is hilarious.

[curupira]

no 23andme os brasileiros não marcam muito alto norte-africanos

Ninguém marca alto lá, no FamilyTreeDNA a história é diferente. Não dá pra comparar o resultado dos dois laboratórios da forma que você está fazendo. Eles são corretos os dois, mas no FamilyTreeDNA o componente africano aparece com maior destaque em média.

[Brighton]

Will you keep mentioning it? It sampled people from all the parts of Chile, just read it. It was fully published now, and it has people from all over Chile.

I understand you're slow so..

1.- 20% of the sample is from Arica-Parinacota. 1.3% of the population is from Arica-Parinacota. Hence the North is overestimated.

2.- 24% of the sample is from Santiago. 41% of the population is from Santiago. Hence Santiago is underestimated.

3.- These are soldiers. Hence the working-class is extremely overestimated.

4.- In Chile socioeconomic situation matters regarding phenotype. 10% of working-class Chilean girls have light eyes, compared to 32% in the upper-middle class.

[Brighton]

And I was not talking of you behind your back. I just mentioned his results and yours. It was important to make the contrast, since Brazilians from other regions have a habit of distorting the composition of Northeast Brazil. EdMoreira, a Northeast Brazilian from the deep interior of Northeast Brazil, scored over 80% euro, whereas you - an upper class Chilean who studies in the most prestigious Chilean university, who has been to British universities, etc) scored lower (~75%). Just this. People have done the same to me here and elsewhere and I did not have your cheap reaction, throwing around insults.

You were talking behind my back. Why do you think I received an inbox telling me the Brazilians were bitching about me?? You're being a pathetic cunt.

Also, make the contrasts you want, but do not use me to make them, that's all.

You calling me cheap is the richest thing I've read today.

Ps: I am not upper class at all, I live in La Florida which is a very middle class area in South East Santiago. I study in this Uni cos I revise a lot, not cos I've got money.. and my family had to save so I could study abroad in England.

[curupira]

If there is someone here slow that is you, not me. I showed you a map from that study, it clearly indicated ancestry from different parts of Chile (your suggestion is a cheap tactic, a dishonest one):

Look at it here, it measured ancestry from all over Chile:
http://i58.tinypic.com/2crp00n.jpg



I understand you're slow so..

1.- 20% of the sample is from Arica-Parinacota. 1.3% of the population is from Arica-Parinacota. Hence the North is overestimated.

2.- 24% of the sample is from Santiago. 41% of the population is from Santiago. Hence Santiago is underestimated.

3.- These are soldiers. Hence the working-class is extremely overestimated.

4.- In Chile socioeconomic situation matters regarding phenotype. 10% of working-class Chilean girls have light eyes, compared to 32% in the upper-middle class.

[curupira]

You were talking behind my back.

I was not. I just mentioned your nick, and your results, which you had made public. People have done this here and at biodiversity, and I did not react like you.

[Brighton]

Will you keep mentioning it? It sampled people from all the parts of Chile, just read it. It was fully published now, and it has people from all over Chile. I'm not saying it is right either, it could be wrong. But since you did not hesitate in suggesting Northeast Brazil to be a little Africa, when it is not, I had to quote it. Anyway, I just wanted to make a point by mentioning you. I'll edit it and remove your name, if that's what you want.

Yes, it does sample people from all parts of Chile.

Is it proportional? No, it is not. That matter a lot regarding surveys.

Also, you have not said anything regarding the socioeconomic bias this study has.

Ps: it would've been really interesting if they hadn't focused so much in Northern Chile. If they had carried it out taking into account all areas and all socioeconomic groups with the appropriate proportions this would've been amazing. It is a pity they didn't indeed.

[Brighton]

If there is someone here slow that is you, not me. I showed you a map from that study, it clearly indicated ancestry from different parts of Chile (your suggestion is a cheap tactic, a dishonest one):

I don't know if you're a retard, but:

1.- This does not prove they measured them in a proportional way - which they did not, as you can see in the table in the link you posted.

2.- This does not disprove that there is a certain socioeconomic bias regarding this survey.

If this was a trial your arguments would be completely dismissed.

[curupira]

Yes, it does sample people from all parts of Chile.

Is it proportional? No, it is not. That matter a lot regarding surveys.

They sampled people from all over Chile. When they say the average Chilean is x this or z that, one should assume they did it averaging the population weight of each part of Chile or else it would be meaningless. I'm not saying the study is right by the way.


The American,
European and African individual average admixture estimates for the 15 Chilean
Regions were relatively homogeneous and not statistically different. However,
higher American components were found in northern and southern Chile and
higher European components were found in central Chile. A negative correlation between African admixture and latitude was observed. On the average,
American and European genetic contributions were similar and significantly
higher than the African contribution. Weighted mean American, European and
African genetic contributions of 44.34% ± 3 9%, 51.85% ± 5.44% and 3.81%
± 0 .45%, were estimated. Fifty two percent of subjects harbor African genes.
Individuals with Aymara and Mapuche surnames have an American admixture
of 58.64% and 68.33%, respectively.
http://www.scielo.cl/pdf/rmc/v142n3/art01.pdf

[curupira]

If you want it, I'll edit it and erase your nick from my post, just confirm that. I would erase my posts and you yours. I won't mention you anymore, be sure of that.

[curupira]

The dishonest person here is you. This forum has your posts recorded when you kept saying the study was only based on Arica. I said, at that time, that it was not. The newspaper article made that clear. Now the full study has been published, and they showed results when it comes to all parts of Chile, and they said the average Chilean would be that way. Assuming they would include Arica as more important, to get their average, than other parts of Chile, is just underestimating the capacity of the researchers. Most people belong to the lower classes, so they're more important demographically speaking anyway. But I agree that the study is not perfect, not because of your reasons, but because one should have many other studies, before jumping to a conclusion. Besides on 23andme, Chileans are on average more euro than that, usually over 65%, over 70% euro. Chile being more homogenous than Brazil or some other Latin America country, the 23andme individual results are more informative about that.


I don't know if you're a retard, but:

1.- This does not prove they measured them in a proportional way - which they did not, as you can see in the table in the link you posted.

2.- This does not disprove that there is a certain socioeconomic bias regarding this survey.

If this was a trial your arguments would be completely dismissed.

[Brighton]

If you want it, I'll edit it and erase your nick from my post, just confirm that. I would erase my posts and you yours. I won't mention you anymore, be sure of that.Yes do it.


The dishonest person here is you. This forum has your posts recorded when you kept saying the study was only based on Arica. I said, at that time, that it was not. The newspaper article made that clear. Now the full study has been published, and they showed results when it comes to all parts of Chile, and they said the average Chilean would be that way. Assuming they would included Arica as more important, to get their average, than other parts of Chile, is just underestimating the capacity of the researchers. Most people belong to the lower classes, so they're more important demographically speaking anyway. But I agree that the study is not perfect, not because of your reasons, but because one should have many other studies, before jumping to a conclusion. Besides on 23andme, Chileans are on average more euro than that, usually over 65%, over 70% euro. Chile being more homogenous than Brazil or some other Latin America country, the 23andme individual results are more informative about that.
I am not calling you dishonest dude, I just think you're umm not very smart.

Chile is not like Brazil. Here most people belong to the middle class. I'm telling you, professional soldiers tend to be very working-class, and when you watch them you can actually notice they tend to be darker than the average Chilean.

But yah anyway I got tired of arguing with you cos you seem to ignore what I'm saying even though I'm being extremely logical and clear.

Ps: if you thought the study was not right then you shouldn't have used it to say the average Chilean is less European than the average Northeastern Brazilian.. but yah anyway.

[curupira]

I don't think you are bright either. And you seem to be dishonest. You dismissed that study when the newspaper article clearly mentioned Chile as a whole. The study nowadays makes it clear. When you resorted to entirely distorting Northeast Brazil, suggesting it'd be like mostly African, I had to use what I had at my hands, scientific studies, they clearly show Northeast Brazil is ~ 70% to 75% non African. Yes, in the US the african input would make them be just African, socially speaking. But the native in your country would make people there be considered native american too in the US. So resorting to American categories was just a cheap tactic aimed at misrepresenting Northeast Brazil, which is in fact predominantly european, even if largely mixed with African and Native American components.

I'll edit my post, and I'd urge Uhtred to to the same, when he addresses you quoting myself. When you delete your insulting responses, I'll delete my posts which followed yours.


Yes do it. I am not calling you dishonest dude, I just think you're umm not very smart.

Chile is not like Brazil. Here most people belong to the middle class. I'm telling you, professional soldiers tend to be very working-class, and when you watch them you can actually notice they tend to be darker than the average Chilean.

But yah anyway I got tired of arguing with you cos you seem to ignore what I'm saying even though I'm being extremely logical and clear.

Ps: if you thought the study was not right then you shouldn't have used it to say the average Chilean is less European than the average Northeastern Brazilian.. but yah anyway.

[curupira]

You can see I have edited it here:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?119529-White-Brazilians/page20

As soon as you delete your responses, I'll delete my responses too.

[Smaug]

seu sangue do oriente-medio é bem alto para um brasileiro, você deve ter sangue de cristãos-novo!

Olá istripador/brazuca.

[Brighton]

I don't think you are bright either. And you seem to be dishonest. You dismissed that study when the newspaper article clearly mentioned Chile as a whole. The study nowadays makes it clear. When you resorted to entirely distorting Northeast Brazil, suggesting it'd be like mostly African, I had to use what I had at my hands, scientific studies, they clearly show Northeast Brazil is ~ 70% to 75% non African. Yes, in the US the african input would make them be just African, socially speaking. But the native in your country would make people there be considered native american too in the US. So resorting to American categories was just a cheap tactic aimed at misrepresenting Northeast Brazil, which is in fact predominantly european, even if largely mixed with African and Native American components.

I'll edit my post, and I'd urge Uhtred to to the same, when he addresses you quoting myself. When you delete your insulting responses, I'll delete my posts which followed yours.

I didn't try to distort Nordestinos or whatever I just thought you were trying to white-wash them.. which you were.

Anyway I don't give a fuck about Nordestinos, my Brazilian relatives are from SP and they don't even like Nordestinos to be honest.. so anyway.

Ps: Uhtred thanks for the thumbs down.. just gotta inform you that doesn't make you any less Nazi than you are.

[Smaug]

I didn't try to distort Nordestinos or whatever I just thought you were trying to white-wash them.. which you were.

Anyway I don't give a fuck about Nordestinos, my Brazilian relatives are from SP and they don't even like Nordestinos to be honest.. so anyway.

Ps: Uhtred thanks for the thumbs down.. just gotta inform you that doesn't make you any less Nazi than you are.

And you are a Araucanazi.

[Brighton]

And you are a Araucanazi.

The fact that you use "Araucanian" as an insult just reflects how Nazi you are.. racist cunt.

[Smaug]

The fact that you use "Araucanian" as an insult just reflects how Nazi you are.. racist cunt.

The fact that you use "Nazi" as an insult just reflects how ignorant you are... ignorant cunt.

[Brighton]

The fact that you use "Nazi" as an insult just reflects how ignorant you are... ignorant cunt.
The fact that you don't think of "Nazi" as an insult confirms what I'm saying - you're a racist bastard and if this was 1940 you would be supporting Nazi Germany and justifying Blacks/Jews/Homoseuxals deaths.

[Smaug]

The fact that you don't think of "Nazi" as an insult confirms what I'm saying - you're a racist bastard and if this was 1940 you would be supporting Nazi Germany and justifying Blacks/Jews/Homoseuxals deaths.

Oh, but I do see "Nazi" as an insult, the point I was making is that you, just like those liberal cunts, consider me to be a Nazi just because I am proud of my land and dislike the massive immigration that is taking place.

[Leto]

and dislike the massive immigration that is taking place.
Do you have immigration to Brazil now? I thought it belonged to the past. Who is coming to Brazil now?

[Tooting Carmen]

Do you have immigration to Brazil now? I thought it belonged to the past. Who is coming to Brazil now?

He probably means (mostly mulatto/pardo-looking) Nordestinos coming to Sao Paulo.

[Leto]

He probably means (mostly mulatto/pardo-looking) Nordestinos coming to Sao Paulo.
Well, they are native-born citizens. It's like Buryats and Ossetians coming to Moscow and St. Petersburg from the Far East and the Caucasus respectively. How can you prevent it?

[Smaug]

Do you have immigration to Brazil now? I thought it belonged to the past. Who is coming to Brazil now?

I meant Northeasterners coming to São Paulo. We can't prevent it, unless we separate. Hence I use the Paulista flag, not Brazilians, because I am a separatist.

[Tooting Carmen]

I meant Northeasterners coming to São Paulo. We can't prevent it, unless we separate. Hence I use the Paulista flag, not Brazilians, because I am a separatist.

Why do you hate them so much?

[Leto]

I meant Northeasterners coming to São Paulo. We can't prevent it, unless we separate. Hence I use the Paulista flag, not Brazilians, because I am a separatist.
You pretty much remind me of Jim Crow.

[Smaug]

Why do you hate them so much?

Because they come here to destroy our way of life.


You pretty much remind me of Jim Crow.

Makes sense, even São Paulo could be considered Brazil's "New England", in the sense we were the home of industrialization of the country in last century and we are also more conservative.

[Leto]

Because they come here to destroy our way of life.
Is their way of life much different?

[Smaug]

Is their way of life much different?

Yes.

[Tooting Carmen]

Because they come here to destroy our way of life.



Makes sense, even São Paulo could be considered Brazil's "New England", in the sense we were the home of industrialization of the country in last century and we are also more conservative.

Well don't expect to have such a plentiful supply of maids, cleaners, factory workers etc. if and when you gain independence. Btw, even most Southern Brazilians are clearly more Pardo than White - my hometown has recently seen a massive influx of Brazilian university students (mostly from the South of the country - I know because I've asked them), and while quite a few do look White, the majority look more similar to Saudis or Moroccans than to any Europeans.

[Smaug]

Well don't expect to have such a plentiful supply of maids, cleaners, factory workers etc. if and when you gain independence. Btw, even most Southern Brazilians are clearly more Pardo than White - my hometown has recently seen a massive influx of Brazilian university students (mostly from the South of the country - I know because I've asked them), and while quite a few do look White, the majority look more similar to Saudis or Moroccans than to any Europeans.

I am not "Southern Brazilian", I am Paulista. Most of Brazilians abroad are not-White for some reason.

[Tooting Carmen]

I am not "Southern Brazilian", I am Paulista. Most of Brazilians abroad are not-White for some reason.

And keep in mind that most of the ones I'd meet would be fairly middle-class. (The link between race and social class in Latin America is exaggerated by many people, but let's not digress). Anyway, you yourself said that only around 30% of Brazilians are White. (Besides, you seem to have no problem with the millions of Japanese and Lebanese people in Sao Paulo, but Heaven forbid should even one Black or Mulatto person move there).

[Smaug]

And keep in mind that most of the ones I'd meet would be fairly middle-class. (The link between race and social class in Latin America is exaggerated by many people, but let's not digress). Anyway, you yourself said that only around 30% of Brazilians are White. (Besides, you seem to have no problem with the millions of Japanese and Lebanese people in Sao Paulo, but Heaven forbid should even one Black or Mulatto person move there).

Why would I have any problem with Japanese and Lebanese? They are a hard-working bunch who arrived in this country about at the same time as the European immigrants, and helped to build São Paulo. They are as Paulistas as a Giovanni Zanetti whose family lives in Mooca (one of the Italian neighbourhoods of SP).

[Leto]

I guess the Lebanese have already blended into the white community. They were Christians and way more similar to Portuguese and Italians than Africans and Amerinidans.

[Tooting Carmen]

Why would I have any problem with Japanese and Lebanese? They are a hard-working bunch who arrived in this country about at the same time as the European immigrants, and helped to build São Paulo. They are as Paulistas as a Giovanni Zanetti whose family lives in Mooca (one of the Italian neighbourhoods of SP).

Because you wish to whitewash Brazil (or at least your region of it) in general, but make exceptions for those groups. How do you feel about Afro-Brazilians who have been in Sao Paulo for generations, before the big influx from the Northeast began?