Keep British army in Germany to send message to Putin, says Lord Dannatt

[Äijä]

Britain should make a “military statement” to Russia by retaining 3,000 soldiers in Germany in a reverse of planned defence cuts, the former head of the Army says on Monday.
Amid fears of further Kremlin land grabs in Ukraine, Lord Dannatt warns that with a “resurgent Russia” it is a poor time for the West to be “weak in resolve and muscle”.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/10717341/Keep-British-army-in-Germany-to-send-message-to-Putin-says-Lord-Dannatt.html

Germany is the wrong place, they should be in Poland and the Baltic.

[Sarmatian]

Are you serious? How do you expect 3000 soldiers to be a message to such a mass as Russia? It may only work if the number will be around 30000.

[Äijä]

Brits should also note the close ties with Argentina and Russia, military bases and arms deals.

That 3000 is only symbolic thing and just the first move, Brits bring their Navy and Air Force as their biggest assets, they should double their army but it takes some time do.

[ALSh]

3.000 soldiers are a joke

[Graham]

The Russians care more about the American military than they do about Britain.

[Elsa]

I'm sure the Russians are quaking in their boots.

[RussiaPrussia]

rofl its british tax payers money, if they really want to waste it

[Graham]

rofl its british tax payers money, if they really want to waste it

Being there benefits local German trade. We pay money to give Germany money basically. Don't see the point. Russia & America can waste money on a cold war II. But keep Britain out.

[LightHouse89]

The Russians care more about the American military than they do about Britain.

they have nothing to worry our leadership is all talk and its ranks filled with pussies. They are downsizing the military and have made huge defense cuts....If I was Russia I wouldnt even worry about America....what are we going to do? Nothing.....not conservatives or liberals really want to do anything they want our stupid Negrid president to stop running his mouth internationally. He is making our country look even worse.

Even if Russia invaded Nato countries I wouldnt expect America to do much if anything with this liberal leftist government we have today. They are as impotent as a 90 year old man without viagra. I do not know if your aware but after the US Embassy attack in Libya our government when called to court stated, 'Only four Americans died what is the big deal'-Hillary Clinton..... I mean these are our nations leaders.....I doubt they will do anything for Ukraine or western Europe. Obama is more interested in doanting money to Africa to his brothers there and funding enhanced welfare projects in America.

[LightHouse89]

Brits should also note the close ties with Argentina and Russia, military bases and arms deals.

That 3000 is only symbolic thing and just the first move, Brits bring their Navy and Air Force as their biggest assets, they should double their army but it takes some time do.

The eocnomy of most nato countries is not very good.....Especially America...with liberal leadership you better count on us being the most useless of allies in any war or potential war. Obama will talk big but in secret appease Russia. Our military is downsizing ten fold.....we are even getting rid of military equipment for free to middle eastern coutnries etc.....

[Äijä]

The eocnomy of most nato countries is not very good.....Especially America...with liberal leadership you better count on us being the most useless of allies in any war or potential war. Obama will talk big but in secret appease Russia. Our military is downsizing ten fold.....we are even getting rid of military equipment for free to middle eastern coutnries etc.....

Only thing you have to do is send that equipment, we dont expect others to fight but it is not in American or British national interest to let Russians in Baltic area or Central Europe.

[Äijä]

Finnish shopping list.

2000-3000 HMMWV
2000-3000 M939 Truck
500-1000 M113
200-300 M2 Bradley
100 M109 SP howitzer

Stingers 400-500 launchers
Patriot 2-4 batteries

30-50 A 10
100-150 FA-18

3-5 KC-10A

All material going to be replaced anyway and you will not have to send a single soldier ever.

[Sarmatian]

Finnish shopping list.

2000-3000 HMMWV
2000-3000 M939 Truck
500-1000 M113
200-300 M2 Bradley
100 M109 SP howitzer

Stingers 400-500 launchers
Patriot 2-4 batteries

30-50 A 10
100-150 FA-18

3-5 KC-10A

All material going to be replaced anyway and you will not have to send a single soldier ever.

Mate do you even realize you are one of the biggest warmongers of TA? So far Russia made no threats nor moves towards Finland yet you're constantly talking about arms you need to launch an offensive on Russia.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

It's pathetic that EU has taken to posturing the way that petty dictatorships do. What the hell happened to Europe?

[Äijä]

Mate do you even realize you are one of the biggest warmongers of TA? So far Russia made no threats nor moves towards Finland yet you're constantly talking about arms you need to launch an offensive on Russia.

You understand Russia is building up its forces behind our border and said it will continue to do so, not countering that is a sign of weakness and stupidity.
There have been threats and movements even if you dont know about them, it could all be a game but we dont have the luxury to assume that.

[Sarmatian]

You understand Russia is building up its forces behind our border and said it will continue to do so, not countering that is a sign of weakness and stupidity.
There have been threats and movements even if you dont know about them, it could all be a game but we dont have the luxury to assume that.

You think too much about tactics and missing big strategic picture. You should understand that this buildup has a purpose of countering NATO expansion. The goal is to ensure no NATO strategic outposts will be deployed in proximity of Russia. So long as Finland doesn't have any NATO radar installations or missile launch pads it have no geopolitical value to Russia.

Btw not sure if true or not but there is info in Russian parts of Interwebz about agreement between Russia and Argentina to build Russian military base in Argentinian territory.

[Äijä]

You think too much about tactics and missing big strategic picture. You should understand that this buildup has a purpose of countering NATO expansion. The goal is to ensure no NATO strategic outposts will be deployed in proximity of Russia. So long as Finland doesn't have any NATO radar installations or missile launch pads it have no geopolitical value to Russia.

Btw not sure if true or not but there is info in Russian parts of Interwebz about agreement between Russia and Argentina to build Russian military base in Argentinian territory.

The NATO is not expanding, they are taking new members that dont feel secure with Russia.
Russia has problems with independent nations joining a defense pact, why?
It could join also but that would be the end to empire building.

Finland is not in NATO but it is no secret we are close to US, but with no official treaty their only interest is keeping Finland safe from aggression, it naturally fits their own interest.

We also have launch pads for missiles that Putin called NATO attack missiles, so what? They where purchased after Russia put Iskanders behind the border, quid pro quo.
US most likely gets everything Finnish radars or other sensors record, so what? What is it to any business to Russia? Something to hide or countries to attack?

NATO is not for attacking Russia, you could never get the members to do that, it is a defense pact.
Claiming anything else is propaganda, look at the disarmament in Europe.
Russia is the one gearing up for something, it is more and more a facist state with imperialistic goals, that is what is going on.

[Äijä]

I am also trying to get info on that Argentina base, the Brits will love it.

[Sarmatian]

The NATO is not expanding, they are taking new members that dont feel secure with Russia.
Russia has problems with independent nations joining a defense pact, why?
It could join also but that would be the end to empire building.

Finland is not in NATO but it is no secret we are close to US, but with no official treaty their only interest is keeping Finland safe from aggression, it naturally fits their own interest.

We also have launch pads for missiles that Putin called NATO attack missiles, so what? They where purchased after Russia put Iskanders behind the border, quid pro quo.
US most likely gets everything Finnish radars or other sensors record, so what? What is it to any business to Russia? Something to hide or countries to attack?

NATO is not for attacking Russia, you could never get the members to do that, it is a defense pact.
Claiming anything else is propaganda, look at the disarmament in Europe.
Russia is the one gearing up for something, it is more and more a facist state with imperialistic goals, that is what is going on.

I think we should shift the discussion into one thread. Look for the explanation of Russia's motives here: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?119760-NATO-looking-for-the-ways-to-nuke-Russia&p=2515743&viewfull=1#post2515743

[The Lawspeaker]

The British Army should not be on the Rhine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Forces_Germany) but on the Vistula. That would be a lot closer to their potential battle positions.

[Rudel]

The Russians care more about the American military than they do about Britain.
A good thing Germany is also a big American camping field, then.

[epirot]

Even if Russia invaded Nato countries I wouldnt expect America to do much if anything with this liberal leftist government we have today.

your liberal leftist gvmt has bombed most of the slavic and muslim/arab world, and almost half of the rest of the world. are you serious? are you living in some other planet?

your liberal leftist gvmt, has killed about 100,000 yugoslavs in 1991-1995, about 10,000 innocent Yugoslavs/Albanians in 1999, and keeps terrorizing the local population with their baze bondsteel in Kosovo. Also your liberal leftist gvmt has killed millions in Iraq, millions in Syria, and tries to reach the first 1000 dead ppl in Ukraine. I guess they will open champaigns when the 1000th Ukrainian gets killed.

Are you saying here that your leftist liberal gvmt has not killed enough ppl??? What would satisfy you? blowing the whole earth up?

your narration is absolutely what your gvmt wants to hear from you. their propaganda seems to work very well. Portray an absolutely homicidal policy as "leftist liberal and gay", so that the average redneck asks for more blood. Pretty clever.

[epirot]

Mate do you even realize you are one of the biggest warmongers of TA? So far Russia made no threats nor moves towards Finland yet you're constantly talking about arms you need to launch an offensive on Russia.

Ukko is the northern equivalent of albanians. Bark when hidden behind NATO vehicles but totally kiss Russian butts when NATO is not around.

[epirot]

The NATO is not expanding, they are taking new members that dont feel secure with Russia.
Russia has problems with independent nations joining a defense pact, why?
It could join also but that would be the end to empire building.

Finland is not in NATO but it is no secret we are close to US, but with no official treaty their only interest is keeping Finland safe from aggression, it naturally fits their own interest.

We also have launch pads for missiles that Putin called NATO attack missiles, so what? They where purchased after Russia put Iskanders behind the border, quid pro quo.
US most likely gets everything Finnish radars or other sensors record, so what? What is it to any business to Russia? Something to hide or countries to attack?

NATO is not for attacking Russia, you could never get the members to do that, it is a defense pact.
Claiming anything else is propaganda, look at the disarmament in Europe.
Russia is the one gearing up for something, it is more and more a facist state with imperialistic goals, that is what is going on.


how much do they pay you per month? if under than 5000 euros gross, you are cheap idiot.

[awyr dywyll]

The British Army should not be on the Rhine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Forces_Germany) but on the Vistula. That would be a lot closer to their potential battle positions.
Agree. Putin is a real threat for European security. But not for Central Europe he is too weak for this. Putin is very dangerous just for neighboring countries, he seeks to transform neighboring countries into Somali, like North Caucasus,Abhazia or Lugandon Republic,it is fraught with the death of many people. If any European country send to loyal for them easternmost states just one hundred soldiers, Putin even would not think about his aggressive politics

[epirot]

Agree. Putin is a real threat for European security. But not for Central Europe he is too weak for this. Putin is very dangerous just for neighboring countries, he seeks to transform neighboring countries into Somali, like North Caucasus,Abhazia or Lugandon Republic,it is fraught with the death of many people. If any European country send to loyal to them easternmost states just one hundred soldiers, Putin even would not think about his aggressive politics

Helpless America/EU/Eastern Europe begs for help against evil Putin.

http://fsymbols.co/download/2595-rotflmao-laugh-in-wallpaper-320x282.jpg

[Fortis in Arduis]

In case Russian-German relations thaw again, perhaps.

[awyr dywyll]

Helpless America/EU/Eastern Europe begs for help against evil Putin.

http://fsymbols.co/download/2595-rotflmao-laugh-in-wallpaper-320x282.jpg
It is absolutely normal when peaceful countries which politics focused on good neighborly relations and progress creat alliance against external threat posed by states oriented on war and violence
http://i036.radikal.ru/1406/73/88b2358075a3.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

Ukraine, Lithuania and Poland will create a common military unit

The Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine instructed the acting defense Minister Mikhail Koval to sign the agreement with the governments of Lithuania and Poland on creation of a joint military unit. The draft agreement, the Ukrainian government approved at the meeting on Tuesday, may 27. The sides will be able to sign, according to the forecasts of Ukrainian officials, in the coming month. About it has informed journalists Mikhail Koval.
Such a decision he considers prudent and very important for the future of Ukraine. Because Poland and Lithuania are members of the block (NATO), and Ukraine can learn a lot from them in terms of compliance with the standards of the Alliance.
Michael Koval also said that part of the Ukrainian brigade will be located at the Lviv landfill and will not only perform common tasks, but also peacekeeping functions in the hot spots of the world.

History repeats. Balto-Slavic unity in action. Like in the past, against danger from East, in the Middle Ages.

[glass]

History repeats. Balto-Slavic unity in action. Like in the past, against danger from East, in the Middle Ages.
You know all those so called Balto-Slavic uninions against danger from the East had same outcome? What makes you think this new attempt will be any different? :rolleyes:

[random]

Russia is so gay.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRbUUBqN0WY

[LightHouse89]

A good thing Germany is also a big American camping field, then.

That wont be around forever. American nationalists like myself would rather pull our forces back and defend our own borders from being taken over by third worlders and the tidal wave of brownies. Then hopefully a right wing government takes over in Germany and we give them weapons and funding....to deter France and Russia. France ahem wogland wont be number 1 forever.....once they become alittle more africanized France will become a third world country living under sharia law.

I hear many french women marry african men is this true or a lie?

[awyr dywyll]

Then hopefully a right wing government takes over in Germany and we give them weapons and funding....to deter France and Russia.
In this case Germany dissapear completely, one more war they won't survive. I guess Germans have learned well the leasons of the past. Russia has not gone through such catastrophe and has not experience of terrible defeat, but is programmed to periodically self-destruct


France ahem wogland wont be number 1 forever.....once they become alittle more africanized France will become a third world country living under sharia law.


I hear many french women marry african men is this true or a lie?
These problem not bigger than in any other European country,Germany has almost the same one, percentage of interracial marriages is very similar in both regions, but you can be sure that something like this is never be in France

http://s019.radikal.ru/i639/1406/6b/f0c09a2f1125.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

or another popular Russian artists

http://i055.radikal.ru/1406/e2/8a9027bf097a.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)http://s006.radikal.ru/i213/1406/01/aa0ea6b01f0b.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)http://i056.radikal.ru/1406/70/fa794a3eeafc.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)http://i024.radikal.ru/1406/db/033da01fadf5.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

Don't fall into illusion about idea of Germanic or Russian high morality in comparison with another European countries

[epirot]

Russia has not gone through such catastrophe and has not experience of terrible defeat, but is programmed to periodically self-destruct


Slavs were "programmed" to self destruct since the Latins/Greeks/Germans/Celts/Indos forked away off the main Slavic archaic branch and formed their own cultures.
Apparently this didn't happen since people like you are the minority among Slavs, and i doubt that you have a Slavic background.

[LightHouse89]

Yes but France is a joke, in France anyone can be french.... there is no ethnic belief system to them and they do not have that view point of the world. Germany should side with Russia to spite America. America ruined Germany and I would love to see America and Europe break away. Russia is better against America. Our country is so morally inept that I could care less if our government fell tommorrow and the South broke away from the minority loving government.

[awyr dywyll]

Slavs were "programmed" to self destruct since the Latins/Greeks/Germans/Celts/Indos forked away off the main Slavic archaic branch and formed their own cultures.
Apparently this didn't happen since people like you are the minority among Slavs, .
don't confuse Slavs and modern Russian state. The latter doesn't have to do with true Slavs. Moscow is Golden Horde legacy and programmed to self destruct when decided to take the relay baton from Mongolian kings, allien unacceptable mission for conquered European initially nations in Moscovia.


and i doubt that you have a Slavic background
Really?So what i look like, Jeiwsh-Masonic?:)

[awyr dywyll]

Yes but France is a joke, in France anyone can be french.... there is no ethnic belief system to them and they do not have that view point of the world. Germany should side with Russia to spite America. America ruined Germany and I would love to see America and Europe break away. Russia is better against America. Our country is so morally inept that I could care less if our government fell tommorrow and the South broke away from the minority loving government.
Divided Europe is a past stage and never be again. Because this led to mass incessant massacre between Europeans and their genocide throughout the history. Current western system of international security is the best what was invented by human race.

[epirot]

don't confuse Slavs and modern Russian state. The latter doesn't have to do with true Slavs. Moscow is Golden Horde legacy and programmed to self destruct when decided to take the relay baton from Mongolian kings, allien unacceptable mission for conquered European initially nations in Moscovia.


Really?So what i look like, Jeiwsh-Masonic?:)

last time i checked the russians saved 1000s of yugoslavs during the recent floods, while american-pseudo-ukrainian khazar gvmt in Kiev denied access to the russian planes.
Russians are clearly the strongest among Slavs. So turning against the russians is like the hands hitting against the head. Does not make sense.
There has been a long run (post-500AD) plan to destroy Slavs, so finding cute new theories for the purpose of division has always been high priority for the killers of the Slavs.
Reading you, is like reading some 90's Bosniak propagandist against Serbs. Same tricks, same narration, same methods, same goal = serve anti-slav interests.

Any ukranian who does not see the 90s in replay is a complete idiot.

[epirot]

Current western system of international security is the best what was invented by human race.
you should work as comedian....

[SKYNET]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/10717341/Keep-British-army-in-Germany-to-send-message-to-Putin-says-Lord-Dannatt.html

Germany is the wrong place, they should be in Poland and the Baltic.




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