Comparing Ukraine and Russia's military forces

[Loki]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/interactive/2014/03/world/infographic-ukraine-russia-military/media/ukraine_military.jpg

[Drawing-slim]

Wow, Russia has a big army almost 800.000.
But if Ukrainians are truly willing to fight the Russians at the level like Chechens did, they no doubt would defeat the Russians. Take under consideration the unlimited supply of all sorts of weapons coming from US.

[RussiaPrussia]

Wow, Russia has a big army almost 800.000.
But if Ukrainians are truly willing to fight the Russians at the level like Chechens did, they no doubt would defeat the Russians. Take under consideration the unlimited supply of all sorts of weapons coming from US.

they dont even have enough gasoline to power up their military stuff they are broke, we won without even fighting in crimea because ukrainians know they have no chance. They are too civilized unlike chechens

[RussiaPrussia]

Ukraine also lost almost their entire navy now in crimea

[Drawing-slim]

they dont even have enough gasoline to power up their military stuff they are broke, we won without even fighting in crimea because ukrainians know they have no chance. They are too civilized unlike chechens
Chechens kicked your ass. And if US was to back them they would kick your ass again.

[RussiaPrussia]

Chechens kicked your ass. And if US was to back them they would kick your ass again.

only first chechen war, we kicked their ass in chechen war 2 and now chechens are fighting against chechens, we dont even have to do the dirty work anymore to kill them.

We won against georgia taking their territory making 2 sates independent and now we eat Crimea taking it into the motherland without firing a single shot thats how powerful and awesome we are. We Russians won every fight so far and in the end we got what we wanted unlike america who failed all their goals in their wars. Mother Russia is still hungry, maybe we should eating Albania next.

[RandoBloom]

only first chechen war, we kicked their ass in chechen war 2 and now chechens are fighting against chechens, we dont even have to do the dirty work anymore to kill them.

We won against georgia taking their territory making 2 sates independent and now we eat Crimea taking it into the motherland without firing a single shot thats how powerful and awesome we are. We Russians won every fight so far and in the end we got what we wanted unlike america who failed all their goals in their wars. Mother Russia is still hungry, maybe we should eating Albania next.

That only shows that other countries value peace, while you want to push world into nuclear war. But the joy will just begin dont you worry :)

[Lurker]

only first chechen war, we kicked their ass in chechen war 2 and now chechens are fighting against chechens, we dont even have to do the dirty work anymore to kill them.

We won against georgia taking their territory making 2 sates independent and now we eat Crimea taking it into the motherland without firing a single shot thats how powerful and awesome we are. We Russians won every fight so far and in the end we got what we wanted unlike america who failed all their goals in their wars. Mother Russia is still hungry, maybe we should eating Albania next.

The Chechen situation is very similar to the Afghanistan-Iraq situation. Those two countries the US invaded are also having some kind of civil war (sunnis x shia or king x taliban), but they aren't threatening the US anymore (the last terrorist attack in the US was done by Chechens, out of all people). So I don't see how America has failed the goal in their wars. Thye have dismantled the states that sponsored terrorism against them, and made terrorists prefer to attack other people in the middle east instead of targets in the US.

[Drawing-slim]

only first chechen war, we kicked their ass in chechen war 2 and now chechens are fighting against chechens, we dont even have to do the dirty work anymore to kill them.

We won against georgia taking their territory making 2 sates independent and now we eat Crimea taking it into the motherland without firing a single shot thats how powerful and awesome we are. We Russians won every fight so far and in the end we got what we wanted unlike america who failed all their goals in their wars. Mother Russia is still hungry, maybe we should eating Albania next.

If Russia touches Albania that would be the end of Russia. When the Russian troops arrived first in prishtina that was a close call to WW3. A US general gave the Russians an ultimatum and Russians packed up and left at once.

[armenianbodyhair]

Wow, Russia has a big army almost 800.000.
But if Ukrainians are truly willing to fight the Russians at the level like Chechens did, they no doubt would defeat the Russians. Take under consideration the unlimited supply of all sorts of weapons coming from US.

Do you think anyone actually gives a shit?

[Drawing-slim]

Do you think anyone actually gives a shit?Ukrainian crises is a major story world wide so I say yes.

[armenianbodyhair]

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[armenianbodyhair]

Ukrainian crises is a major story world wide so I say yes.

So was Syria.

[Sarmatian]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/interactive/2014/03/world/infographic-ukraine-russia-military/media/ukraine_military.jpg

Two corrections:
1) Most of Ukrainian navy was annexed by Russia with Crimea.

2) For the last 20 years NATO military advisers worked day and night dismantling whatever Ukraine inherited from USSR. They’ve made sure everything that can be possibly sold was sold for profit. This is why we’ve seen Ukrainian police in Kiev armed with assault rifles that went out of service in USSR in 1970’s. There is no Ukrainian army anymore, they have about 5000 combat-ready troops at most.

[Ultra]

Two corrections:
1) Most of Ukrainian navy was annexed by Russia with Crimea.

2) For the last 20 years NATO military advisers worked day and night dismantling whatever Ukraine inherited from USSR. They’ve made sure everything that can be possibly sold was sold for profit. This is why we’ve seen Ukrainian police in Kiev armed with assault rifles that went out of service in USSR in 1970’s. There is no Ukrainian army anymore, they have about 5000 combat-ready troops at most.
Wow, that's excellent. Very nice. ROSSIYA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Loki]

Besides all that, Ukraine is bankrupt. And whatever financial loans they get from the West, will go straight back to Russia for money owed on gas.

[RussiaPrussia]

If Russia touches Albania that would be the end of Russia. When the Russian troops arrived first in prishtina that was a close call to WW3. A US general gave the Russians an ultimatum and Russians packed up and left at once.

what for crack you smog

[RussiaPrussia]

The Chechen situation is very similar to the Afghanistan-Iraq situation. Those two countries the US invaded are also having some kind of civil war (sunnis x shia or king x taliban), but they aren't threatening the US anymore (the last terrorist attack in the US was done by Chechens, out of all people). So I don't see how America has failed the goal in their wars. Thye have dismantled the states that sponsored terrorism against them, and made terrorists prefer to attack other people in the middle east instead of targets in the US.

america spent 3 trillion dollars in these wars, i doubt russia spended anything significant for their wars

[Methmatician]

It's a no brainer who has got the upper hand here.

[Loki]

America is the big loser here. They spent billions of dollars on the Maidan revolution, and to destabilize Yanukovych's government. And now, Russia just casually comes in and picks up the pieces. Not even one shot fired in Crimea. But there may be shots fired in eastern Ukraine when the Russian hardware rolls in, and again, America and their allies will lose.

[Sarmatian]

America is the big loser here. They spent billions of dollars on the Maidan revolution, and to destabilize Yanukovych's government. And now, Russia just casually comes in and picks up the pieces. Not even one shot fired in Crimea. But there may be shots fired in eastern Ukraine when the Russian hardware rolls in, and again, America and their allies will lose.

There is a joke goes around in Russian interwebz:

Putin and Shimon Peres having conversation:
Peres: Volodya, are you sure you don't have any Jewish roots?
Putin: Why you asking Shimon?
Peres: Because even for a Jew it's unthinkable to make Americans pay 5 billion dollars for annexation of Crimea by Russia.

[Lurker]

America is the big loser here. They spent billions of dollars on the Maidan revolution, and to destabilize Yanukovych's government. And now, Russia just casually comes in and picks up the pieces. Not even one shot fired in Crimea. But there may be shots fired in eastern Ukraine when the Russian hardware rolls in, and again, America and their allies will lose.

This is very long term game. Take into consideration how much influence Russia had on the whole Ukraine and former Soviet states in 1994. Now look at map of NATO bases and US trained forces nowadays. The US has taken over basically all the former Warsaw Pact countries (Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Slovakia, Hungary) and a third of the former URSS (Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Georgia and now half of the Ukraine). I don't agree with the idea of why the USA thinks they have to go right into Russia's former sphere of influence (I think it's unnecessary and creates tensions where none should exist), but the fact is, they're making progress. A lot. Even with some setbacks (Georgia losing South Ossetia, Ukraine losing Crimea), the fact is, they're making progress. Don't think of recent events as Russia winning the Crimea. Think of it as Russia losing half of Ukraine, because that's basically what happened after Yanukovych was ousted in that coup.

Russia is on the defensive here. You don't see Russia puting bases on Venezuela or Cuba, or any European country abandoning NATO. That's why Russia had to resort to such crude tactics as a military invasion. Putin's plan A wasn't taking over Crimea, it was puting a puppet in the Ukraine government (Yanukovych), as Russia had done in the past. What we see today is Russia's plan B in action.

The Great Game between the UK and Russia was played over decades in the 19th century. This game between USA and Russia will also take decades to play out. And who knows, maybe Russia and the US actually ally against a common enemy in the future (China), like Russia and the Uk did in the beginning of the 20th century (Germany). Geopolitcs is a game where I cheer for no-one, because the players don't have anyone's interests at hearts, they just want power.

[Drawing-slim]

what for crack you smog

This was a big deal but Russians kept this low since they got embarrassed.
When the Serbian forces withdrew from Kosovo Russian troops and Russian tanks were the first to capture Kosovo capital and it's airport. When the NATO troops arrived there Russians were hoping to intimidate the Americans but were surprised when an American general gave them an ultimatum to leave within minutes or the WW3 will start at full scale and all those solders were going to die. Russians left of course.
This is the reason I think Russia likes to fuck with NATO now, to restore some and make up for the embarrassment they got on prishtina.

[RussiaPrussia]

This was a big deal but Russians kept this low since they got embarrassed.
When the Serbian forces withdrew from Kosovo Russian troops and Russian tanks were the first to capture Kosovo capital and it's airport. When the NATO troops arrived there Russians were hoping to intimidate the Americans but were surprised when an American general gave them an ultimatum to leave within minutes or the WW3 will start at full scale and all those solders were going to die. Russians left of course.
This is the reason I think Russia likes to fuck with NATO now, to restore some and make up for the embarrassment they got on prishtina.

we didnt involve in kosovo war get your fact straight. You suffer a lot of brain damage

[glass]

When the Serbian forces withdrew from Kosovo Russian troops and Russian tanks were the first to capture Kosovo capital and it's airport. When the NATO troops arrived there Russians were hoping to intimidate the Americans but were surprised when an American general gave them an ultimatum to leave within minutes or the WW3 will start at full scale and all those solders were going to die. Russians left of course.
Really? Or just another albanian fairy tale?
Nato wanted to keep russians out or at least subordinate possible russian peacekeepers to NATO authority. Russia insisted russian peacekeepers have to be independent and answear only to russian authorities. When NATO confirmed their demand russian troops allowed NATO forces to enter airport. It was NATO who accepted russian ultimatum but not other way around:picard1:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incident_at_Pristina_airport

[Drawing-slim]

we didnt involve in kosovo war get your fact straight. You suffer a lot of brain damage

Yes you did and got thrown out really quick.

Glasses, cut the crap. Russians sneaked in to Kosovo trying to intimidate the Americans and got thrown out. There's even a video clip showing the American general screaming at Russians to get the hell out.

[Loki]

This is very long term game. Take into consideration how much influence Russia had on the whole Ukraine and former Soviet states in 1994. Now look at map of NATO bases and US trained forces nowadays. The US has taken over basically all the former Warsaw Pact countries (Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Slovakia, Hungary) and a third of the former URSS (Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Georgia and now half of the Ukraine). I don't agree with the idea of why the USA thinks they have to go right into Russia's former sphere of influence (I think it's unnecessary and creates tensions where none should exist), but the fact is, they're making progress. A lot. Even with some setbacks (Georgia losing South Ossetia, Ukraine losing Crimea), the fact is, they're making progress. Don't think of recent events as Russia winning the Crimea. Think of it as Russia losing half of Ukraine, because that's basically what happened after Yanukovych was ousted in that coup.

Russia is on the defensive here. You don't see Russia puting bases on Venezuela or Cuba, or any European country abandoning NATO. That's why Russia had to resort to such crude tactics as a military invasion. Putin's plan A wasn't taking over Crimea, it was puting a puppet in the Ukraine government (Yanukovych), as Russia had done in the past. What we see today is Russia's plan B in action.

The Great Game between the UK and Russia was played over decades in the 19th century. This game between USA and Russia will also take decades to play out. And who knows, maybe Russia and the US actually ally against a common enemy in the future (China), like Russia and the Uk did in the beginning of the 20th century (Germany). Geopolitcs is a game where I cheer for no-one, because the players don't have anyone's interests at hearts, they just want power.

Yes. And for anyone with a little bit of common-sense, it is clear that America is the aggressor here, as well as the propagandizer and destabilizer. Have we already forgotten America's Hollywood-movie-like invasion of Iraq? Compare to the peaceful incorporation of Crimea into the Russian Federation. The Americans are the baddies here, so to speak.

[RussiaPrussia]

Yes you did and got thrown out really quick.

Glasses, cut the crap. Russians sneaked in to Kosovo trying to intimidate the Americans and got thrown out. There's even a video clip showing the American general screaming at Russians to get the hell out.

where? post it or stfu

[Anglojew]

Didn't Russia already commandeer the entire Ukrainian Navy?

Ukraine's only hope to now end up like Zhirinovsky's plan is international help;

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