Does labeling Horners caucasoid protect some Whites?

[Cush]

I heard labeling Horners caucasoid protects the Whiteness of many Southern Europeans. Is this true?

[portusaus]

No, Horners are not fully or often even majority Caucasoid. Whereas southern Europeans are normally fully so, and most often fully or close to fully European as well.

[Dombra]

One can be as caucasoid as you can be but you are still not white. Just think of Saudis, Berbers, Iberians etc.

[Cush]

No, Horners are not fully or often even majority Caucasoid. Whereas southern Europeans are normally fully so, and most often fully or close to fully European as well.

But many southern Europeans share some DNA with Horners.

http://www.thegeneticatlas.com/E1b1b.png

[Atlantic Islander]

One can be as caucasoid as you can be but you are still not white. Just think of Saudis, Berbers, Iberians, Sami, etc.

Fixed. ;)

[portusaus]

But many southern Europeans share some DNA with Horners.

That's East Meds, not necessarily 'southern Europeans'.

[Cush]

That's East Meds, not necessarily 'southern Europeans'.

Braaaaather, have you seen this map? My DNA is everywhere.

http://www.thegeneticatlas.com/E1b1b.png

[Cush]

Why is SouthAsian running after me thumbing me down, everywhere I go? This is a big place, stop running after me.

[GrebluBro]

Full of shit!!
All humans DNAs are somewhat related.
Go by phenotype and culture ffs

[Smeagol]

Most Horners are more Caucasoid than anything else. Southern Europeans are all fully Caucasoid. Some of them share haplogroup E with Horners, but E probably originated in the Middle East in very ancient times.


It remained mysterious that how many times the anatomically modern human migrated out of Africa, since that among the three superhaplogrous C, DE and F, Haplogroup F distributes in whole Eurasia, C in Asia and Austronesia, D exclusively in Asia, while D's brother clade E distribute mainly in Africa, so there are two hypotheses, 1) haplogroups D and CF migrated out of Africa separately; 2) the single common ancestor of CF and DE migrated out of Africa followed by a back-migration of E to Africa. From this study, the short interval between CF/DE and C/F divergences weakens the possibility of multiple independent migrations (CF, D, and DE*) out of Africa, and thus supports the latter hypothesis (Fig. S2 a).Shi Yan et al. "Y Chromosomes of 40% Chinese Are Descendants of Three Neolithic Super-grandfathers". arXiv:1310.3897 [q-bio.PE], 2013.

Also, haplogroups are irrelevant when talking about race. For example, some Africans have a lot of R1b, but tthey aren't Caucasoid.

[Cush]

Full of shit!!
All humans DNAs are somewhat related.
Go by phenotype and culture ffs

Why are you taking this personal, and giving me thumbs down? I am only asking a question, simply because of the E1b1b that shows it's found in Southern Europeans?

Please refrain from commenting on my threads, and go else where. I already dislike you.

[Cush]

Most Horners are more Caucasoid than anything else. Southern Europeans are all fully Caucasoid. Some of them share haplogroup E with Horners, but E probably originated in the Middle East in very ancient times.

Shi Yan et al. "Y Chromosomes of 40% Chinese Are Descendants of Three Neolithic Super-grandfathers". arXiv:1310.3897 [q-bio.PE], 2013.


Why do you think Southern Europeans and North Africans have E1B1B, when it is fount mostly in the Horn (Somalia/Ethiopia)?

[Smeagol]

Why do you think Southern Europeans and North Africans have E1B1B, when it is fount mostly in the Horn (Somalia/Ethiopia)?

I'm guessing it's associated with the Neolithic Farmers. Southern Europeans don't really show much African ancestry autosomally though.

[Atlantic Islander]

Braaaaather, have you seen this map? My DNA is everywhere.

http://www.thegeneticatlas.com/E1b1b.png

LOL, haplogroups. Autosomal DNA is what matters (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?287-Autosomal-DNA).

[Cush]

LOL, haplogroups. Autosomal DNA is what matters (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?287-Autosomal-DNA).

Whats the difference between haplogroups and autosomal?

Also AutoSomal, sounds like Somal(i). Whats up with that?

I noticed you are female, please disregard any questions.

[Argang]

This is almost as good as a ButlerKing thread.

[Cush]

This is almost as good as a ButlerKing thread.

Please elobbbberate.

[Smeagol]

Please elobbbberate.

The most famous, and beloved member of Apricity.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/member.php?5804-ButlerKing

[Cush]

The most famous, and beloved member of Apricity.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/member.php?5804-ButlerKing


Are you butlerking, it took me to your page?

[Smeagol]

Are you butlerking, it took me to your page?

No, i'm on his friends lists, so you saw my posts.

[Cush]

I am new to this site. Is there any way I can stop female posters from posting on my comments? Thank you in advance.

[Cush]

No, i'm on his friends lists, so you saw my posts.

Why is he famous? Is he a troll, comedian, horner?

[Atlantic Islander]

I noticed you are female, please disregard any questions.

Am I?

[Smeagol]

Why is he famous? Is he a troll, comedian, horner?

He's a British-Irish member renowned for his knowledge about race, genetics, history, etc.. An overall polymath.

[Cush]

He's a British-Irish member renowned for his knowledge about race, genetics, history, etc.. An overall polymath.

I see. Is he a homosexual?

[Smeagol]

I see. Is he a homosexual?

No.

[Cush]

Am I?

Why are you asking me? I do not know what is inbetween your legs.

[1stLightHorse]

Braaaaather, have you seen this map? My DNA is everywhere.

http://www.thegeneticatlas.com/E1b1b.png

Do you know how many subclades of E1b there are?

[Atlantic Islander]

Why are you asking me? I do not know what is inbetween your legs.

Are you?

[Cush]

Do you know how many subclades of E1b there are?



No, but the map shows it came from the Horn. Negroids are E1B1A, We are E1B1B. Whose your DADDY? Say CUSH :)

[Anglojew]

One can be as caucasoid as you can be but you are still not white. Just think of Saudis, Berbers, Iberians etc.

Probably half of Iberians and Berbers are white.

[Cush]

Are you?

Are you trying to seduce me? It will not work.

[Anglojew]

One can be as caucasoid as you can be but you are still not white. Just think of Saudis, Berbers, Iberians etc.

Probably half of Iberians are white.

[Hadouken]

Why is he famous? Is he a troll, comedian, horner?

i guess he is horny but not a horner

[Atlantic Islander]

Are you trying to seduce me? It will not work.

God-Kings do not practice seduction.

[Cush]

i guess he is horny but not a horner

come on BE-REAL

[Cush]

God-Kings do not practice seduction.

so you are a guy? Please change your sign, I almost seduced you. :)

[1stLightHorse]

No, but the map shows it came from the Horn. Negroids are E1B1A, We are E1B1B. Whose your DADDY? Say CUSH :)

Cush is probably alot of people's daddy.

They're all on welfare though.

[Cush]

Cush is probably alot of people's daddy.

They're all on welfare though.

Oh no he didn't. lol

Don't think of it as welfare, think of it as a loan that will be repaid without interest.

[Atlantic Islander]

so you are a guy? Please change your sign, I almost seduced you. :)

God-Kings have no gender.

[Cush]

God-Kings have no gender.

Any holes?


Being a moderator has gone to the HEADS of some people Wallahi.

[Atlantic Islander]

Any holes?


Being a moderator has gone to the HEADS of some people Wallahi.

Only shells.

[Insuperable]

Most Horners are more Caucasoid than anything else. Southern Europeans are all fully Caucasoid. Some of them share haplogroup E with Horners, but E probably originated in the Middle East in very ancient times
Shi Yan et al. "Y Chromosomes of 40% Chinese Are Descendants of Three Neolithic Super-grandfathers". arXiv:1310.3897 [q-bio.PE], 2013.

Also, haplogroups are irrelevant when talking about race. For example, some Africans have a lot of R1b, but tthey aren't Caucasoid.

Haplogroup E (as well as R1b) is present in Africa because of back migration to Africa and due to bottleneck which occured there because of which it spread rapidly later over low populated Africa. There was one paper about it. Some still claim it originated in East Africa and some (latest) claim it originated in the Near East. There is still no consensus where DE originated, ME or Africa, not to mention E alone.

[Cush]

Only shells.

can things be inserted in them?

[Cush]

How can anyone be an anglo and a jew?

[Dombra]

Probably half of Iberians are white.

Well, Persians are white too in America

[Hadouken]

best signature ever btw.

https://i.imgur.com/xoOcD8y.jpg

[Atlantic Islander]

can things be inserted in them?

Unimpressive.

[Cush]

Why is Neanderthal giving me thumbs up? lmao. Thanks buddy. This almost wants to make me help Apricity get to the measley 249 dollar goal (which they only raised 52% of).

[Cush]

Unimpressive.

why are you unimpressed? I didn't even tell you my measurements yet?

[Atlantic Islander]

why are you unimpressed? I didn't even tell you my measurements yet?

Nor care. Bleat at me no longer.

[Cush]

Nor care. Bleat at me no longer.

I am not going to beat you? I stopped beating women, when I left the Motherland.

[Cush]

SouthAsian how many sisters you have that are over 18 but under 50?

[Cush]

Are you not entertained? Is this not why you are here?

[Atlantic Islander]

Are you not entertained? Is this not why you are here?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTWKbfoikeg

[Cush]

Anglojew please come out of hiding, and explain how you can be anglo and jew?

[Cush]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTWKbfoikeg


I now understand why you seem crazy, it's because you listen to loud noises and have been decieved to believe loud noises is a form of music. Even worse you have diluted your mind into believing you are some type of a God.

Get well dear

[Atlantic Islander]

I now understand why you seem crazy, it's because you listen to loud noises and have been decieved to believe loud noises is a form of music. Even worse you have diluted your mind into believing you are some type of a God.

Get well dear

Jealous. Plankton envying the ocean that holds them.

[Cush]

Jealous. Plankton envying the ocean that holds them.


You either just came straight out of the 1600's, or you are in some mental facility and the doctors gave you a laptop to entertain yourself.

[Atlantic Islander]

You either just came straight out of the 1600's, or you are in some mental facility and the doctors gave you a laptop to entertain yourself.

http://imageshack.com/a/img716/9190/8ebz.gif

[Cush]

http://imageshack.com/a/img716/9190/8ebz.gif

nice gif, that girl looks like she can give mean Head.

[Atlantic Islander]

nice gif, that girl looks like she can give mean Head.

http://imageshack.com/a/img829/3439/wfbh.gif

[Cush]

http://imageshack.com/a/img829/3439/wfbh.gif

This one looks like she would be a great 'fister'. Even though I am not into that, nor have I ever tried it.

[Atlantic Islander]

This one looks like she would be a great 'fister'. Even though I am not into that, nor have I ever tried it.

Unimpressive.

[Cush]

Unimpressive.

I think we are flirting, right now. What are your measurements? Hows your gag reflex?

[Atlantic Islander]

I think we are flirting, right now.

Unimpressive.

[Cush]

Unimpressive.

It isn't impressive untill the Snake is out of the cage. Thats when the fat lady screams :)

[Atlantic Islander]

It isn't impressive untill the Snake is out of the cage. Thats when the fat lady screams :)

Unimpressive.

[Cush]

Unimpressive.

Are you retarded? Is your keyboard on autopilot?

[Atlantic Islander]

Are you retarded? Is your keyboard on autopilot?

Unimpressive.

[Cush]

Unimpressive.

You say that so much, I wouldn't be surprised if it was on your tomb stone.


Cause of death: The snake that left it's cage, and your horrible gag reflex

[Atlantic Islander]

You say that so much, I wouldn't be surprised if it was on your tomb stone.

Unimpressive.

[Cush]

Unimpressive.

You are a socially awkward person. I would not be surprised if you are clinically locked up for your own safety and experiments are being run on you as we speak. Your care takers have failed you miserably when they left you to your own devices and gave you internet acess with no due regard to those who you would come in contact with.

[Cush]

You losers need to come out of the closet. I am tired of talking to this dead brain individual who keeps repeating the same thing over and over and over and over.

[Incal]

I heard labeling Horners caucasoid protects the Whiteness of many Southern Europeans. Is this true?

LOL

[Atlantic Islander]

LOL

LOL indeed.

[Atlantic Islander]

You are a socially awkward person. I would not be surprised if you are clinically locked up for your own safety and experiments are being run on you as we speak. Your care takers have failed you miserably when they left you to your own devices and gave you internet acess with no due regard to those who you would come in contact with.

Unimpressive.

[Cush]

LOL

Jesus christ, where did you get the Gif?

[Cush]

Unimpressive.

I am new to this site.

I feel like your computer auto corrects to unimpressive whenever you type the word "Ni**er. Am I wrong?

[Atlantic Islander]

I am new to this site.

I feel like your computer auto corrects to unimpressive whenever you type the word "Ni**er. Am I wrong?

Unimpressive.

[Anglojew]

Th funny thing about Horner admixture is its often Semitic in origin but many people don't consider pure Semites caucasoid enough.

[Isleño]

One can be as caucasoid as you can be but you are still not white. Just think of Saudis, Berbers, Iberians etc.

Iberians are white. Many Berbers are white.

The word "white" came from the United States. This is the U.S. Census legal definition of "white":

White. A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa. It includes people who indicate their race as "White" or report entries such as Irish, German, Italian, Lebanese, Arab, Moroccan, or Caucasian.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/meta/long_RHI125212.htm

[Isleño]

Th funny thing about Horner admixture is its often Semitic in origin but many people don't consider pure Semites caucasoid enough.

I consider Europeans, Levantines and North African Mediterraneans as white.

[Isleño]

I heard labeling Horners caucasoid protects the Whiteness of many Southern Europeans. Is this true?

Somalis are almost half Caucasoid. On average, they are 40% Caucasoid. And what does Somalia have to do with Southern Europe? Southern Europeans are not Somali admixed people.

[Cush]

Somalis are almost half Caucasoid. On average, they are 40% Caucasoid. And what does Somalia have to do with Southern Europe? Southern Europeans are not Somali admixed people.

Southern Europeans have E1B1B which is found in abundance in the Horn.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Braaaaather, have you seen this map? My DNA is everywhere.

http://www.thegeneticatlas.com/E1b1b.png

Lol, its not your personal DNA however its Y-DNA which happens to be concentrated heavily in Somalia while got evolved in many sub-clades through migrations...Like this chart shows.
http://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/E1b1b-tree.gif

[Isleño]

Southern Europeans have E1B1B which is found in abundance in the Horn.

It's also found in North Africa, the most likely place where they got it from.

[Cush]

It's also found in North Africa, the most likely place where they got it from.

You are wrong. The place that North Africans got it from is the Horn, which is the place where it is found in the highest frequency on Planet Earth.

http://www.thegeneticatlas.com/E1b1b.png

[Cush]

Lol, its not your personal DNA however its Y-DNA which happens to be concentrated heavily in Somalia while got evolved in many sub-clades through migrations...Like this chart shows.
http://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/E1b1b-tree.gif


I am your father. Come to me :)

Seriously though, does this explain Why Horners could be Ancient Egyptians, as the easiest way to North Africa is the Nile and Red sea, and from North Africa people went to Europe. You can also see our DNA in the Middle East in areas closest to the Horn. There was a time Horners controlled Yemen and parts of present day Saudi Arabia.

[Stimpy]

Fixed. ;)

Sami people are very white, in the sense that they have a very large amount of light hair, skin and eyes. More so than any population as a whole below Germany.
If anything it's the reverse, that they're white but not caucasoid since they have a small amount of Siberian admixture.

[Isleño]

You are wrong. The place that North Africans got it from is the Horn, which is the place where it is found in the highest frequency on Planet Earth.

http://www.thegeneticatlas.com/E1b1b.png

You ever heard of evolution? E1b1b1b E-M81 and E1b1b1b E-M78 (the most frequent Haplogroup E in Europe) arose in North Africa. E-M81 in the Maghreb and E-M78 in Egypt.

These were taken to Europe with North Africans.

Europeans are not Somali admixed.

[Isleño]

I am your father. Come to me :)

Seriously though, does this explain Why Horners could be Ancient Egyptians, as the easiest way to North Africa is the Nile and Red sea, and from North Africa people went to Europe. You can also see our DNA in the Middle East in areas closest to the Horn. There was a time Horners controlled Yemen and parts of present day Saudi Arabia.

There are so many theories on Ancient Egyptians it's not even funny. One group says this, one group says that. Anyway, what does that have to do with European culture? Nothing. And about your DNA, Horners are admixed with Near Eastern. That's why you are 40% Caucasoid.

[Cush]

You ever heard of evolution? E1b1b1b E-M81 and E1b1b1b E-M78 (the most frequent Haplogroup E in Europe) arose in North Africa. E-M81 in the Maghreb and E-M78 in Egypt.

These were taken to Europe with North Africans.

Europeans are not Somali admixed.


No one is giving you the distinct honor of being Somali. But I am saying that people from the Horn went to North Africa and from there to Southern Europe. This goes along historical facts that Horners traveled up Nile River.

It is well recorded that North Africas controlled parts of Spain, and during the time of Rome, Carthage (north africans), fought Rome.

Thus why my sperm is everywhere. I take great pride in this.

[Cush]

There are so many theories on Ancient Egyptians it's not even funny. One group says this, one group says that. Anyway, what does that have to do with European culture? Nothing. And about your DNA, Horners are admixed with Near Eastern. That's why you are 40% Caucasoid.

Why do you assume, we are mixed? We are a very old people, a medium between all the races. No one ever controlled us. We Horners controlled parts of Arabia and Kush which controlled Ancient Egypt.

So it is others who have our dna, not the other way around.

[Cush]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/24/Hamito-Semitic_languages.jpg


Notice Cushitic is spoken as far as southern Egypt and Northern Sudan.

[Atlantic Islander]

Sami people are very white, in the sense that they have a very large amount of light hair, skin and eyes. More so than any population as a whole below Germany.
If anything it's the reverse, that they're white but not caucasoid since they have a small amount of Siberian admixture.

None of that matters in the context.

[Isleño]

Probably half of Iberians and Berbers are white.

What are you talking about? All Iberians are white. And yes, many Berbers are white too.

[Argang]

Sami people are very white, in the sense that they have a very large amount of light hair, skin and eyes. More so than any population as a whole below Germany.
If anything it's the reverse, that they're white but not caucasoid since they have a small amount of Siberian admixture.

It's interesting that the French have more genomewide similarity with saamis than with such caucasoid exemplars as berbers and arabs. ;)

Now whatever that implies regarding the caucasoid status of the French is anyone's guess, but any conclusions would be even more applicable to more northern Europeans such as the English (sorry Longbowman, on the positive side you might be an exception).

[Isleño]

No one is giving you the distinct honor of being Somali. But I am saying that people from the Horn went to North Africa and from there to Southern Europe. This goes along historical facts that Horners traveled up Nile River.

It is well recorded that North Africas controlled parts of Spain, and during the time of Rome, Carthage (north africans), fought Rome.

Thus why my sperm is everywhere. I take great pride in this.

Distinct honor? Lol. It doesn't mean Somali made it to Southern Europe, it means that haplogroup E made it to North Africa, where it evolved into something else, and that was taken to Europe from North Africa. And I'm part North African, I'm Canary Islander. And you "sperm" is not everywhere, that's foolish to say.

But I see where this thread is headed....it's a troll like thread. You are doing nothing but glorifying Somalians and flattering yourself.

I am gonna shut this thread down if you don't stop doing that.

[Pachacutec]

But many southern Europeans share some DNA with Horners.

http://www.thegeneticatlas.com/E1b1b.png

LOL:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/Haplogroup_R_(Y-DNA).PNG

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ch8zcRKko_E/UH_JKiFqBII/AAAAAAAAG_o/2CnoF1uqBlM/s1600/Dstat_Amerindian_admixture.png

We r whiter than Horners!!! many northern Europeans share some DNA with Amerindians.

[Atlantic Islander]

Distinct honor? Lol. It doesn't mean Somali made it to Southern Europe, it means that haplogroup E made it to North Africa, where it evolved into something else, and that was taken to Europe from North Africa. And I'm part North African, I'm Canary Islander. And you "sperm" is not everywhere, that's foolish to say.

But I see where this thread is headed....it's a troll like thread. You are doing nothing but glorifying Somalians and flattering yourself.

I am gonna shut this thread down if you don't stop doing that.

It's clearly been a troll thread from the very start, much like his other troll threads.

[Isleño]

Why do you assume, we are mixed? We are a very old people, a medium between all the races. No one ever controlled us. We Horners controlled parts of Arabia and Kush which controlled Ancient Egypt.

So it is others who have our dna, not the other way around.

You are mixed. Somalis are genetically 60% Negroid and 40% Caucasoid. There is no getting around the fact that you are mixed. You can't be 60% Negroid and 40% Caucasoid and not be mixed. Actually to be technical, Somalis according to the DNA study on them are 46% Caucasoid on average.

And Horners actually have DNA from Arabia too. There are studies on this.

And Ancient Egypt was a mixed race population between three populations: Berbers, Levantines and Cushites. It was the crossroads between 3 distinct people. They were almost entirely Caucasoid. They were their own people, they were not Somalis. But I don't wanna get into that whole race thing on Egypt, it starts a lot of trouble.

[zhaoyun]

Yes, Horners are the frontline against the ravages of non-White labeling. You have sacrificed yourselves selflessly for the secure inclusion of the Southern Europeans into the White family.

Well done, good sir! I salute you!

[Pachacutec]

You are mixed. Somalis are genetically 60% Negroid and 40% Caucasoid. There is no getting around the fact that you are mixed. You can't be 60% Negroid and 40% Caucasoid and not be mixed. Actually to be technical, Somalis according to the DNA study on them are 46% Caucasoid on average.

And Horners actually have DNA from Arabia too. There are studies on this.

And Ancient Egypt was a mixed race population between three populations: Berbers, Levantines and Cushites. It was the crossroads between 3 distinct people. They were almost entirely Caucasoid. They were their own people, they were not Somalis. But I don't wanna get into that whole race thing on Egypt, it starts a lot of trouble.

The truth is everyone is mixed to some stable extent, even counting some really isolated populations like Polynesians, Micronesians, Australian Aboriginals. Even Amerindians who were somehow thought to be a really isolated form of Asians has been shown to be a mixed population between ancient East and West Eurasian peoples.

[SobieskisavedEurope]

You ever heard of evolution? E1b1b1b E-M81 and E1b1b1b E-M78 (the most frequent Haplogroup E in Europe) arose in North Africa. E-M81 in the Maghreb and E-M78 in Egypt.

These were taken to Europe with North Africans.

Europeans are not Somali admixed.

E haplogroup comes from DE haplogroup which D haplogroup of Eurasia is older than E haplogroup of Africa suggesting that E haplogroup likely came from some where in Asia before a back migration into Africa.

[Isleño]

It's clearly been a troll thread from the very start, much like his other troll threads.

Yeah, I think it's a troll thread too. Maybe we should vault it.

[Isleño]

E haplogroup comes from DE haplogroup which D haplogroup of Eurasia is older than E haplogroup of Africa suggesting that E haplogroup likely came from some where in Asia before a back migration into Africa.

Yes but E-M81 and E-78, the two that are most frequent in Europe arose in North Africa.

[Isleño]

The truth is everyone is mixed to some stable extent, even counting some really isolated populations like Polynesians, Micronesians, Australian Aboriginals. Even Amerindians who were somehow thought to be a really isolated form of Asians has been shown to be a mixed population between ancient East and West Eurasian peoples.

I've been trying to tell this to the "purists" for years.

[Carlito's Way]

We r whiter than Horners!!! many northern Europeans share some DNA with Amerindians.

hassad you are not white, stop trying to be one, you are brown

[Cush]

You can't just label this a troll thread because you don't like it. Lmao

So whenever you hear conflicting views you think it's trolling?

Do you honestly believe I would spend hours here posting and replying and posting pictures if I was here to troll you guys?

I want to be a respected member, If I didnt want this, I wouldnt be complaining to SouthAsian for the dozen of thumbs down he gave me.

[Pachacutec]

hassad you are not white, stop trying to be one, you are brown

I don't want to give you much game but I'm not Hassad. From what other people in this forum have told me, I would gather he doesn't want to be white as much as you do though, evidenced by your behavior here.

Good job at missing the irony in the post.

[Cush]

Yes, Horners are the frontline against the ravages of non-White labeling. You have sacrificed yourselves selflessly for the secure inclusion of the Southern Europeans into the White family.

Well done, good sir! I salute you!


Thank you. Someone who finally understood what I said. And some here are thinking this is a troll thread.

By labeling Horners caucasoid with dark skin, that esentailly means you make them the outer most people of the caucasoids, thus no one will question the Whiteness of Southern Europeans who clearly look different than say English, German, and other Western Europeans.


It's an old trick. Kind of like how Blacks label anyone with mixed race as Black, thus extending the definition of Blackness so much so that you see Blacks passing as white, thus making the idea of race just look rediculous.

[Pachacutec]

Thank you. Someone who finally understood what I said. And some here are thinking this is a troll thread.

By labeling Horners caucasoid with dark skin, that esentailly means you make them the outer most people of the caucasoids, thus no one will question the Whiteness of Southern Europeans who clearly look different than say English, German, and other Western Europeans.

It's the Amerindian and Paleolithic admixture that makes Northerners look different. Yet no one questions their so-called "infallible whiteness" for this.

Does that mean Amerindians are racially less questionable than Eastern Africans from a Eurocentric point of view?

[Carlito's Way]

I don't want to give you much game but I'm not Hassad. From what other people in this forum have told me, I would gather he doesn't want to be white as much as you do though, evidenced by your behavior here.

Good job at missing the irony in the post.

LOL you want to be white so bad, what native american even says that?? :rolleyes: hahahahaha

[Atlantic Islander]

Yeah, I think it's a troll thread too. Maybe we should vault it.

It is a troll thread.

[Cush]

It is a troll thread.

Why because you don't like it? lmao

There are people here discussing this topic in a serious manner. The topic is very true and exists as many others here will tell you.

Please don't bann users and close threads simply because you don't like the topic being discussed.

How is this a troll thread? No one is attacked on this thread, and no one has used a foul langauge. Please take a seat.

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[Atlantic Islander]

Why because you don't like it? lmao

There are people here discussing this topic in a serious manner. The topic is very true and exists as many others here will tell you.

Please don't bann users and close threads simply because you don't like the topic being discussed.

How is this a troll thread? No one is attacked on this thread, and no one has used a foul langauge. Please take a seat.

http://static5.depositphotos.com/1000252/466/i/950/depositphotos_4661027-The-chair.jpg

You are trolling.

[Pachacutec]

LOL you want to be white so bad, what native american even says that?? :rolleyes: hahahahaha

You react angrily to a very innocent ironic remark. You seem more concerned about it than me. Why?

To start with, I'm not trying to make Native Americans look more European (even though they do have admixture from West Eurasia!) but that even the infallible "Nordics" aren't exempted from foreign admixture (which is an Amerindian-like admixture coming from the paleolithic era). What I'm trying to give is an insight that "purity" is very relative, and so are other subjective concepts. From a very objective point of view even very isolated populations in Oceania are at least admixed from 3 different sources at given times. Europeans, Africans, Asians are no exception.

[Cush]

You are trolling.

You sure about that?


Please take a seat, or bounce. You can't just say someone is trolling with out any prove. So you don't like the subject, than don't read or enter the thread. I am talking abou Horners and the labels given to them. I am a Horner, do I not have a right to discuss this topic?

[Atlantic Islander]

You sure about that?

Positive.

[Isleño]

You can't just label this a troll thread because you don't like it. Lmao

So whenever you hear conflicting views you think it's trolling?

Do you honestly believe I would spend hours here posting and replying and posting pictures if I was here to troll you guys?

I want to be a respected member, If I didnt want this, I wouldnt be complaining to SouthAsian for the dozen of thumbs down he gave me.

The content here is trollish. It has nothing to do if I like it or not. I am a moderator and another moderator posting here agreed that this is a troll thread. We can close the thread. But I was going to leave it open as long as no one starts trouble, but if other members are agreeing it's a troll thread.....

You want to be a respected member? Don't make trollish threads.

[Cush]

Positive.


Well, what prove do you have?

You are trolling me now, and changing the topic that is at hand.

Please show yourself the door, we are intelectuall who are debating the racial stratification and the consequences of a racialized world.

[Cush]

The content here is trollish. It has nothing to do if I like it or not. I am a moderator and another moderator posting here agreed that this is a troll thread. We can close the thread. But I was going to leave it open as long as no one starts trouble, but if other members are agreeing it's a troll thread.....

You want to be a respected member? Don't make trollish threads.


Do you see the irony? You are a southern European, in a thread asking the whiteness of southern Europeans and you want to close it?

Hitler was against freedom of speech too.

[Cush]

By labeling Horners caucasoid with dark skin, that esentailly means you make them the outer most people of the caucasoids, thus no one will question the Whiteness of Southern Europeans who clearly look different than say English, German, and other Western Europeans.


It's an old trick. Kind of like how Blacks label anyone with mixed race as Black, thus extending the definition of Blackness so much so that you see Blacks passing as white, thus making the idea of race just look rediculous.

[Atlantic Islander]

Well, what prove do you have?

You are trolling me now, and changing the topic that is at hand.

Please show yourself the door, we are intelectuall who are debating the racial stratification and the consequences of a racialized world.

The proof is you trying and failing to use haplogroups, when autosomal DNA is all that matters.

[Cush]

The proof is you trying and failing to use haplogroups, when autosomal DNA is all that matters.

Are you serious. So because I don't know DNA, HAPLOGROUP meanings, you are offended and this is a troll thread?

Obviously you should not be a moderator, if you can't hide the fact that you have skin in the game in every thread talking about Southern Europeans.

Please pass this up the chain of commmand, that who ever gave you moderator status should revoke, as you are picking and choosing what the defintion of trolling is based on your feelings toward the subject being discussed.

It would be trolling if this thread was solely being pushed by me with a hidden agenda. But as you can see I have articulated it well that I am not a troll, and the other members discussing this show proof this topic is indeed not only worthy of discussing but is also facisinating to say the least as shown by the number of pages this thread has gotten.


Please take a couple of seats. And if you want my number, just ask.
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[Atlantic Islander]

Are you serious. So because I don't know DNA, HAPLOGROUP meanings, you are offended and this is a troll thread?

Obviously you should not be a moderator, if you can't hide the fact that you have skin in the game in every thread talking about Southern Europeans.

Please pass this up the chain of commmand, that who ever gave you moderator status should revoke, as you are picking and choosing what the defintion of trolling is based on your feelings toward the subject being discussed.

It would be trolling if this thread was solely being pushed by me with a hidden agenda. But as you can see I have articulated it well that I am not a troll, and the other members discussing this show proof this topic is indeed not only worthy of discussing but is also facisinating to say the least as shown by the number of pages this thread has gotten.


Please take a couple of seats.
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTPsC51sMUg81-rIzH9EreUMvoDNH3JT4feiUYNDhE6ueVXYv3j8w

Autosomal DNA is all that matters, sorry if that puts a dent in your theory.

[Cush]

Autosomal DNA is all that matters, sorry if that puts a dent in your theory.

So you admit my theory is wrong in your opinion. Thus making this a discussion not a troll thread.


But we are talking about social classification of horners and it intended or unintended consequences on the view of Northern Europeans on southern Europeans.

Pleae try to move along with the topic. We are in phase two of the discussion. No one is posting maps anymore.

[Atlantic Islander]

So you admit my theory is wrong in your opinion. Thus making this a discussion not a troll thread.


But we are talking about social classification of horners and it intended or unintended consequences on the view of Northern Europeans on southern Europeans.

Pleae try to move along with the topic. We are in phase two of the discussion. No one is posting maps anymore.

Autosomal DNA section (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?287-Autosomal-DNA).

[Cush]

Autosomal DNA section (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?287-Autosomal-DNA).

So are you single? Ready to mingle?

[Cush]

It is a sad day, when you cannot discuss a topic or subject freely simply because those who moderate the thread have a dog in the fight. This is not democracy or freedom. This is dictatorship. I along with my lawyer have read the rules of this forum, closely and religously. We believe we have not broken any of these rules.



Thank you,

God bless white people :rolleyes2:

[Cush]

God bless the Causoids (which I am a 40percent member of - on a good day).

[Atlantic Islander]

It is a sad day, when you cannot discuss a topic or subject freely simply because those who moderate the thread have a dog in the fight. This is not democracy or freedom. This is dictatorship. I along with my lawyer have read the rules of this forum, closely and religously. We believe we have not broken any of these rules.



Thank you,

God bless white people :rolleyes2:

You don't see me closing the thread do you?

And Autosomal DNA proves you wrong so...:thumb001:

[Cush]

You don't see me closing the thread do you?

And Autosomal DNA proves you wrong so...:thumb001:


Are you trying to seduce me?

[Mazik]

God bless the Causoids (which I am a 40percent member of - on a good day).

Why do you so desperately want to identify with Caucasoids? And not with negroids?

[Atlantic Islander]

Are you trying to seduce me?

You like to be told you are wrong, makes you feel the warm and fuzzies? Masochist.

[Cush]

Why do you so desperately want to identify with Caucasoids? And not with negroids?

Lol. If you didn't realise that line was said as sarcasm. I do not identify with Negroids nor Causaoids. I identify as Somali.

I only come to show my perspective on the world, and the false fallacies entreched in the social construct we call race that has no scientific meaning in Science.

[Cush]

You like to be told you are wrong, makes you feel the warm and fuzzies? Masochist.

I also like to be whipped, gagged, slapped and on a good day chocked. Can you do all those things for me?

[Isleño]

By labeling Horners caucasoid with dark skin, that esentailly means you make them the outer most people of the caucasoids, thus no one will question the Whiteness of Southern Europeans who clearly look different than say English, German, and other Western Europeans.


It's an old trick. Kind of like how Blacks label anyone with mixed race as Black, thus extending the definition of Blackness so much so that you see Blacks passing as white, thus making the idea of race just look rediculous.

That's so false an idea I can't even begin to tell you. The people in the Mediterranean part of Europe (Southern Europe) have always had darker features than their northern counterparts. The northerners developed from the southerners. After the last ice age, some Southern Europeans migrated north and due to climate, they evolved into their current looks. Besides, Europeans are mixed with themselves, they traveled freely in Europe.

It has nothing to do with mixing with Africans. Of course Europeans have some admixture, usually from North Africa, the Levant or Central Asia (no one on the planet is pure, all populations have admixture from somewhere), but admixture is found in all Europeans. But in autosomally, all Europeans are almost entirely European. Of course there are a few outliers that have higher admixture, but they are still essentially European. I am actually an outlier, as I'm Spanish Canary Islander and I'm predominantly European with significant, but still low (11% admixture) of North African Berber. But of course in my case, it's an exception, because the Canary Islands even though they belong to Spain and the EU, are situated just off the coast of North Africa. I am about like what a Cypriot (Cyprus) is to Southeastern Europe.

And this to me seems like a troll topic because you are making some sort racially undermining topic toward whites with what seems like possible bigotry overtones. I won't shut it down as long as you don't engage in this behavior. And surely don't compare me to Hitler, as that is an insult and could be seen as inflammatory. So have your freedom of speech, just keep it clean and you have no worries.

Now carry on as you were and don't make trouble and you will never see my dog in the fight. Myself and Atlantic Islander is not closing the thread, so don't worry.

Continue.

[Arcadefire]

Well not all Caucasoid are whites anyways. Skeletally, Lot of the horners are Caucasoid.
http://jackfrombrooklyn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/marcus-samuelsson.jpg

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

No, Horners are not fully or often even majority Caucasoid. Whereas southern Europeans are normally fully so, and most often fully or close to fully European as well.

This. Sorry of whatever wishful thinking you had here.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Well not all Caucasoid are whites anyways. Skeletally, Lot of the horners are Caucasoid.
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They are actually really not fully or even majority or dominant Caucasoid. they are mixed raced, Mulattos.

[Arcadefire]

They are actually really not fully or even majority or dominant Caucasoid. they are mixed raced, Mulattos.
Not entirely. If you were to look at a horner skull, it would not look drastically different from other caucasoid groups.
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSvFHUpAFWUADf05sPZD_YpApK4IwlLE hVKzawhGi6V7iZv6eL5

Where does one draw the line between whats considered as having "african admixture" and whats considered as being a mulatto? See its all semantics rather than actual science.

[Isleño]

Well not all Caucasoid are whites anyways. Skeletally, Lot of the horners are Caucasoid.
http://jackfrombrooklyn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/marcus-samuelsson.jpg

Horners can be considered in the Caucasoid realm yes, but they are not fully Caucasoid. They are on average between 40-46% Caucasoid. They are still 54-60% Negroid. They are pretty much a mulattoed people.

I do not see them the same as West Africans, but I don't see them the same as Europeans, Mediterranean Berbers, Levantines, Arabs, Persians and Indians.

I see them as intermediate between All the Caucasoids and West African/South Africans.

But of course, they are still included many times in Caucasoid skull discussions and charts because they are still significantly Caucasoid.

http://i58.tinypic.com/29uyc0j.jpg

[Isleño]

Not entirely. If you were to look at a horner skull, it would not look drastically different from other caucasoid groups.
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSvFHUpAFWUADf05sPZD_YpApK4IwlLE hVKzawhGi6V7iZv6eL5

Where does one draw the line between whats considered as having "african admixture" and whats considered as being a mulatto? See its all semantics rather than actual science.

True, but based on DNA studies on Horners, the conclusion is that they are a mixture of Negroid and Caucasoid:



"Taking the British as a representative Caucasoid sample and the Mandenka as a sub-Saharan population, the proportion m of caucasoid lineages in the Somali is m = 0.46. (46%) This value is similar to the estimate based on autosomal studies (m = 0.40)"


"The autosomal studies show that as a whole Somalis are about 40% Eurasian, which is about the same as Ethiopians."

Cavalli-Sforza et al.

[Cush]

I did not start this thread to discuss Horners, but Southern Europeans. This subject has gone over the heads of many commenters.

My overall point was, race is a social construct, that changes with the times, and many other factors such as social and political clout.

Remember their was a time when Irish were not considered white in America. I as a Horner am viewed very differently in Bantu countries. Just look at South Africa where Somalis who are shop keepers are being killed because they see us as foreigners and can easily target us. For the South Africans they don't care about our skin color, but see our distinct features and target us. Same as in Somalia/Ethiopia/Eritrea where Bantus are looked down upon historically because of their history as slaves and also because of their different features from the Horner population.

My overal point being, race is linear in that many choose to take the most lightest European with blonde hair and blue eyes and compare them to the darkest Negroids in West Africa with the widest features, thus forgetting all the people in between.

When you take the American system that makes one black simply because of the One drop rule. You have situations where one can pass for white, but is socially labeled black. When this happens, many can see the stupidity of race for what it truly is.

A system created to disenfranchise and socially stigmatize groups who other wise lack no intellect but due to limited resources convinced of their inferioity through mass media that is perpetuated many times by 'Mulatoes such as Horners and other mixed group who are thrown a bone, in order to get inline with the larger objective of privileging white people.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw_mRaIHb-M

[Pachacutec]

I did not start this thread to discuss Horners, but Southern Europeans. This subject has gone over the heads of many commenters.

My overall point was, race is a social construct, that changes with the times, and many other factors such as social and political clout.

Remember their was a time when Irish were not considered white in America. I as a Horner am viewed very differently in Bantu countries. Just look at South Africa where Somalis who are shop keepers are being killed because they see us as foreigners and can easily target us. For the South Africans they don't care about our skin color, but see our distinct features and target us. Same as in Somalia/Ethiopia/Eritrea where Bantus are looked down upon historically because of their history as slaves and also because of their different features from the Horner population.

My overal point being, race is linear in that many choose to take the most lightest European with blonde hair and blue eyes and compare them to the darkest Negroids in West Africa with the widest features, thus forgetting all the people in between.

When you take the American system that makes one black simply because of the One drop rule. You have situations where one can pass for white, but is socially labeled black. When this happens, many can see the stupidity of race for what it truly is. A system created to disenfranchise and socially stigmatize groups who other wise lack no intellect but due to limited resources convinced of their inferioity through mass media that is perpetuated many times by 'Mulatoes such as Horners and other mixed group who are thrown a bone, in order to get inline with the larger objective of previling white people.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw_mRaIHb-M

South Africans are very xenophobic. I don't think it's just they see Somalis as "racial foreigners" but they seem to dislike all foreigners. I have read histories they kill other Bantu migrants from Botswana, Zimbabwe and other countries.

[Cush]

South Africans are very xenophobic. I don't think it's just they see Somalis as "racial foreigners" but they seem to dislike all foreigners. I have read histories they kill other Bantu migrants from Botswana, Zimbabwe and other countries.

The world is very amazing place. My mother was telling me when the Somali government was helping the Blacks in South Africa against the Apartheid regime. Now the kids of those people who were marginlized by the Whites, are burning Somali shop keepers and killing them in the streets.

I never understand why Black people never have the courage to fight against slavery, Apertheid. But for some reason they have found the Courage to kill and rob people who do them no harm. Where was this sense of power and strengh when they were being sold like cattle or being imprisoned in their own land?

[Longbowman]

It's interesting that the French have more genomewide similarity with saamis than with such caucasoid exemplars as berbers and arabs. ;)

Now whatever that implies regarding the caucasoid status of the French is anyone's guess, but any conclusions would be even more applicable to more northern Europeans such as the English (sorry Longbowman, on the positive side you might be an exception).

No worries. E1b1b predates R in Europe and while it is most common in the Balkans, it's around 2% in Britain and <10% in Germany. My dad's not from around here, though.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?106641-Noteworthy-Europeans-with-YDNA-Haplogroup-E1b1b

[GrebluBro]

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The member 'Cush' is clearly trolling as well as intended to start only controversial absurd threads.. Why isn't he given any warning?

He fooled us earlier by putting this murderer pic as his profile pic for classification.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?119945-Classify-me
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=45794&d=1395814834

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/6917128.stm

[Isleño]

The member 'Cush' is clearly trolling as well as intended to start only controversial absurd threads.. Why isn't he given any warning?

He fooled us earlier by putting this murderer pic as his profile pic for classification.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?119945-Classify-me
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=45794&d=1395814834

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/6917128.stm

He has been told to ride smooth and debate with no trouble. As long as he doesn't start any trouble he has the right to express his freedom of speech.

[Cush]

SouthAsian every single thumbs down that I have receieved is by you. You really need to seek psychological help. Your level of inferirioty complex is very perplexing.

As for you calling me a troll, every single one of my threads has recived many pages and many responses, proving, I like controversial topics.

I hope for your sake you are trolling as an African American, because if you really are who you say you are than I feel for you.

If you cannot handle my threads, don't respond, put me on ignore.

[Mazik]

The member 'Cush' is clearly trolling as well as intended to start only controversial absurd threads.. Why isn't he given any warning?

He fooled us earlier by putting this murderer pic as his profile pic for classification.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?119945-Classify-me
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=45794&d=1395814834

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/6917128.stm

Another weird thing is that he's re-using f.ex this picture as a former banned member loved to post.
http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/7056/1dinaroaethiopidsomali.jpg

Copy the url, paste it on google search and you will get a few results. All of them are either at TA, ABF och anthroscape. If he's new to anthroboards as he's claiming, it would be really weird if he managed to found exactly that image, with the same url, as Methusalem loved to post.

[GrebluBro]

SouthAsian every single thumbs down that I have receieved is by you. You really need to seek psychological help. Your level of inferirioty complex is very perplexing.


who in the world have inferiority complex over globally recognized beggars/rapists/useless-refugees aka Somalis? :picard2:



As for you calling me a troll, every single one of my threads has recived many pages and many responses, proving, I like controversial topics.

I hope for your sake you are trolling as an African American, because if you really are who you say you are than I feel for you.

If you cannot handle my threads, don't respond, put me on ignore.

Retarded thought!
Any controversial thread will pull shit load of members' attention..

Of all these 10 threads you made, is there any one fucking thread which is not about least-important ethnicity (i.e Horners) in the world directly or indirectly ?

[GrebluBro]

Another weird thing is that he's re-using f.ex this picture as a former banned member loved to post.
http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/7056/1dinaroaethiopidsomali.jpg

Copy the url, paste it on google search and you will get a few results. All of them are either at TA, ABF och anthroscape. If he's new to anthroboards as he's claiming, it would be really weird if he managed to found exactly that image, with the same url, as Methusalem loved to post.

As you believe, he cannot be new to anthro boards or historical forums.
His way of making threads and posts with some typical images would vouch for that.

[Cush]

Another weird thing is that he's re-using f.ex this picture as a former banned member loved to post.
http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/7056/1dinaroaethiopidsomali.jpg

Copy the url, paste it on google search and you will get a few results. All of them are either at TA, ABF och anthroscape. If he's new to anthroboards as he's claiming, it would be really weird if he managed to found exactly that image, with the same url, as Methusalem loved to post.


Dude can't you check my IP? I am not who you think I am. I have been lurking on TA for a few weeks, finally decided to join. Am I that much similar to the guy who got banned? Does he have the same type of style as me? Is he as funny as me? What was his ethnicity?

[Cush]

If someone is banned, how can they come on the site again? You guys are really assuming am some one else. This is very ridcioulous. Also alot of the pictures pop up when you google Somali on google.