What kind of system do you prefer?

[Lurker]

Considering the history of mixed societies in the Americas (both North and South), what do you think would be the best solution from a racialist POV to the racial question?

1) Separatism: White-only countries to one side and non-White-only countries to the other. Mixed people (to a certain degree) would by default not be citizens of the White-only country. Which geographical regions do you think should be White, which should be Native American, Black, East Indian, Mestizo and/or East Asian?

2) Segregationsim: Countries with different races inside them in the Americas, but with these races not intermingling, like in Jim Crow. The State wouldn't actually favour any race, only strive to keep them separated (with the inclusion of a 'colored' race for mixed people).

3) Supremacism: Like segregationism but where White people have more rights / benefits and non-Whites have less. Like in Apartheid.

4) Another option: please detail.

[Northern_Paladin]

None of those options are possible without compelling through Force.

A Race War in America would shatter it yet it seems inevitable.

I could not imagine anything but one Racial group trying to gain Absolute Supremacy of the entire Land Mass if America where to sink into Racial Chaos.

Either way Whites in NA would lose, given stronger more unified nations like Russia and China would take advantage of the situation and send "Peace Keeping" Troops to promote World Stability.

Its a lose/lose situation for Whites in America. Do nothing and face minority status and marginalization, on the other hand Race War would also mean America's downfall.

[Ariets]

natural order, natural law and natural selection, not bollocks like segregation, separation or supremacism.

[Lurker]

natural order, natural law and natural selection, not bollocks like segregation, separation or supremacism.

Isn't separation along national lines a part of what you desire? Do you prefer an independent Poland with Polish people deciding what to do or would you be OK with Poland just being part of the German and Russian empires as it used to? What exactly is the natural state of Poland?

This question about national lines is complicated in the Americas since what exactly makes a nation in this continent is sometimes quite arbitrary. If, let's say, Euro-Americans and African-Americans make two nations should they secede or live together under one State?

[Ariets]

I dont want Poland to exist. I want mighty Rzeczpospolita Wielu Narodów (Commonwealth of the nations) to come back alive, as it was in past. Huge country with wide personal (and therefore economical) freedom, free market, multicultural, but under one flag and under one main cultural idientity. I want our kings to back to the throne. I want to destroy democracy and every other mediocritial ideals. Old Order.

Two members here would agree with me, Cail and Jarl I think.

[Cail]

I dont want Poland to exist. I want mighty Rzeczpospolita Wielu Narodów (Commonwealth of the nations) to come back alive, as it was in past. Huge country with wide personal (and therefore economical) freedom, free market, multicultural, but under one flag and under one main cultural idientity. I want our kings to back to the throne. I want to destroy democracy and every other mediocritial ideals. Old Order.

Two members here would agree with me, Cail and Jarl I think.

I agree, but i would like it to be a meritocratic, democratic constitutional monarchy. Meritocratic democracy mean that political rights are given only to selected citizens (same as the original Rzeczpospolita), but based on meritocratic (intelligence, education, personal achievements) basis, instead of aristocratic (limited to szlachta - the nobility) one as it used to be.

Also i would like the multiculturalism to be limited to European cultures. Forein influence, while not restricted completely, should be strictly controlled. Same with immigration and such.

[Lurker]

Well, Ariets and Cail, the things you are proposing are for Europe, not the Americas, where every place is, by default, a mixed society, since the countries were founded by White men* on places that at least had a Native American minority, if not an imported amount of Africans, Indians and East Asians. So, it's kind of off-topic.

Considering what you two are proposing I don't think this Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth of yours would include a significant non-White minority. At least Cail has said so. The only way the system he's describing could work in the Americas (multiculuralism limited to European cultures, foreign influence and immigration restricted) would be with separatism. And would you, Ariets, be comfortable with this enlightened monarchy of yours if the king, the nobles and a significant part of the population was composed of African Americans, Afro-Brazilians, Jamaicans, Mexicans and Peruvians? Because the way your post goes it seems you wouldn't mind as long as they were liberal in the economical sense.

*the exception to this is Haiti, which was founded by Black slaves revolting.

[Fortis in Arduis]

Separatism is fair and just and it works, but it should be voluntary, not imposed by the state, and it should accommodate the desire for some people(s) to mix.

All those laws which pertain to forcibly mixing us up and preventing 'racial discrimination', which is a rather nebulous term, must go.

Supremacism and enforced segregation, for me, just fall into the same bracket as multiculturalism, because they involve race laws, and I liken that, in spiritual terms, to idolatry.

Supremacism feeds on materialism, and treating another ethnic group like cattle is not the way to develop a lasting culture, history has shown us that, and it often fails because the cattle revolt, or outbreed their 'masters'.

[The Lawspeaker]

Perhaps a temporal "Jim Crow" situation would be best. But it cannot be maintained for a long period of time so in the case of the Netherlands it would mean that the areas in which they live will first be segregated and then redlined.

After being redlined the selection procedure starts. Only a few that have earned the right to stay (no more then perhaps 1000) will be allowed to do so (under a kind of honorary citizenship). The rest will be kicked across the border.

[Northern_Paladin]

Separatism is fair and just and it works, but it should be voluntary, not imposed by the state, and it should accommodate the desire for some people(s) to mix.

All those laws which pertain to forcibly mixing us up and preventing 'racial discrimination', which is a rather nebulous term, must go.

Supremacism and enforced segregation, for me, just fall into the same bracket as multiculturalism, because they involve race laws, and I liken that, in spiritual terms, to idolatry.

Supremacism feeds on materialism, and treating another ethnic group like cattle is not the way to develop a lasting culture, history has shown us that, and it often fails because the cattle revolt, or outbreed their 'masters'.

Cattle can be controlled through sterilization and the less desirable ones euthanasia. Its possible if one can stomach it. Supremacism is the only ideology that promotes the long term survival of the White Race.

Supremacism in its very nature is aggressive and militant. A White Supremacist state would be forced to take military action because of the fear and hatred it would elicit from non-white states.

But with that said White Supremacism is very unlikely to take shape in North America because things are far too diverse. The Political Correctness in America results from the realization that Racial tolerance is needed to preserve the Peace. If Whites suddenly decided to massacre non-whites in order to protect White Power than America would descend into the worse chaos in its history.

[Fortis in Arduis]

Cattle can be controlled through sterilization and the less desirable ones euthanasia. Its possible if one can stomach it. Supremacism is the only ideology that promotes the long term survival of the White Race.

Supremacism in its very nature is aggressive and militant. A White Supremacist state would be forced to take military action because of the fear and hatred it would elicit from non-white states.

But with that said White Supremacism is very unlikely to take shape in North America because things are far too diverse. The Political Correctness in America results from the realization that Racial tolerance is needed to preserve the Peace. If Whites suddenly decided to massacre non-whites in order to protect White Power than America would descend into the worse chaos in its history.

Take your tacky wrong capitalisations back to Borefront and fuck off.

Trust me duckie, your time on this forum is limited.

There have been a number of awkward coughs.

:coffee:

[Liffrea]

I can foresee some form of separatism coming into effect, certainly in America, which is already substantially there by de fault and has the resources to support several ethno-racial states.

In the UK I foresee serious “unrest”, separatism isn’t a realistic option (to small), repatriation is the fantasy of a few, the only way the UK will survive is through the ruthless enforcement of one ideology, which is what we are heading for, it’s called “political correctness” or a set of highly unlikely circumstances coming about, including an end to immigration, a recognition of what I call “ethnic sovereignty”, a real democracy, and some form of cross racial/cultural/religious definition of a British state that all have a vested interest in preserving, but that’s fantasy land I’m afraid, not reality. Any society can host small numbers of alien people’s (England always has since at least the 16th century) but those days are long gone and there is no optimistic outlook that I see to the situation the UK now finds itself in, some form of totalitarianism (probably what has been termed “totalitarian democracy”) will come about.

That’s assuming the wheels stay on the bus, if they don’t, I direct people’s attention to places like Yugoslavia, Rwanda and the whole sorry list. Personally I expect to see totalitarianism.

[Cato]

I like Marcus Garvey's idea of Africa for blacks, Europe and North America for whites.

[The Lawspeaker]

I like Marcus Garvey's idea of Africa for blacks, Europe and North America for whites.
They can have all of Africa except for South Africa for all I care.

[Cato]

They can have all of Africa except for South Africa for all I care.

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[Gennady]

Supremacism

[SwordoftheVistula]

Separatism ideally, but that's probably not workable in the near future. Some things which would be good enough, and realistically achievable, especially in combination with eachother:

More local control. Central governments tend to be controlled by large multicultural metropolises.

Less government control in general. This means less heavyhanded attempts to 'level the playing field' with laws intended to compensate for the natural inferiority of certain groups.

Removal of all mandatory integration, political correctness, and laws which forbid personal/private discrimination. People tend to naturally gravitate towards others similar to themselves.


Either way Whites in NA would lose, given stronger more unified nations like Russia and China would take advantage of the situation and send "Peace Keeping" Troops to promote World Stability.

Its a lose/lose situation for Whites in America. Do nothing and face minority status and marginalization, on the other hand Race War would also mean America's downfall.

With what navy?

At any rate, any chance for survival of the white race in the US hinges on breaking the power of the US Federal Government, for the reasons Liffrea mentioned in his post.

[Arrow Cross]

Anything else than full separation carries in itself the inherent danger of your system eventually coming crashing down and the superior will be flooded by the inferior. Who in 1870's America would ever have thought their country would morph into such a monstrousity and antithesis of itself in a mere century?

No, apartheid and segregations are plausible short-term, but they necesserily have to be followed by a consequent, well-planned and thoroughly-executed racial separation, or eventually culture will turn into chaos, and both parties will suffer.

[poiuytrewq0987]

I prefer separatism, I cannot fathom segregationism because that would mean non-Europeans would be still living among us. I also don't believe in supremacism, I only want to enjoy life, not rule over other people because I think lowly of them.