Have humans and dinosaurs lived at the same time?

[Nostalgia]

How many will automatically say no as a result of years of mainstream education and media influence, but what does history itself say?

"archaic : a huge serpent "
-http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dragon

"dragon, serpent, sea monster"
"dragon or dinosaur"
http://classic.studylight.org/desk/view.cgi?number=08577

Do Herodotus, Josephus, Aelian, Mela, Ammianus, Esarhaddon's inscription, 4'th century Coptic monks, Matthew of Edessa and more not all attest the existence of flying reptiles? Does the Aberdeen Bestiary not clearly refer to one or more dinosaur? Is there not a city in France called Nerluc that was renamed in honor of a dragon with a horned head being killed there? Are dragons not mentioned as very rare but still living creatures in a 16th century four-volume encyclopedia entitled Historiae Animalium? The Travels of Marco Polo not suggest that there were people hunting dinosaurs over 50 feet in length less than 1,000 years ago?

http://s8int.com/dinolit1.html

http://www.genesispark.com/genpark/history/history.htm

http://www.creationtoday.org/dinosaurs-and-the-bible-seminar-part-3/

http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/3806

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[Prisoner Of Ice]

Dating besides radiocarbon dating is not very clear on its accuracy. It gets adjusted by comparing it to layers of sediment which often seem to be out of 'proper' order, as well, so it's hard to say dinosaur bones are always as old as we'd think.

[Nostalgia]

It is assumed that the ratio of 14C to 12C in the atmosphere has always been the same as it is today (1 to 1 trillion). If this assumption is true, then the AMS 14C dating method is valid up to about 80,000 years. Beyond this number, the instruments scientists use would not be able to detect enough remaining 14C to be useful in age estimates. This is a critical assumption in the dating process. If this assumption is not true, then the method will give incorrect dates. What could cause this ratio to change? If the production rate of 14C in the atmosphere is not equal to the removal rate (mostly through decay), this ratio will change. In other words, the amount of 14C being produced in the atmosphere must equal the amount being removed to be in a steady state (also called “equilibrium”). If this is not true, the ratio of 14C to 12C is not a constant, which would make knowing the starting amount of 14C in a specimen difficult or impossible to accurately determine.

Dr. Willard Libby, the founder of the carbon-14 dating method, assumed this ratio to be constant. His reasoning was based on a belief in evolution, which assumes the earth must be billions of years old. Assumptions in the scientific community are extremely important. If the starting assumption is false, all the calculations based on that assumption might be correct but still give a wrong conclusion.

In Dr. Libby’s original work, he noted that the atmosphere did not appear to be in equilibrium. This was a troubling idea for Dr. Libby since he believed the world was billions of years old and enough time had passed to achieve equilibrium. Dr. Libby’s calculations showed that if the earth started with no 14C in the atmosphere, it would take up to 30,000 years to build up to a steady state (equilibrium).

If the cosmic radiation has remained at its present intensity for 20,000 or 30,000 years, and if the carbon reservoir has not changed appreciably in this time, then there exists at the present time a complete balance between the rate of disintegration of radiocarbon atoms and the rate of assimilation of new radiocarbon atoms for all material in the life-cycle.2

Dr. Libby chose to ignore this discrepancy (nonequilibrium state), and he attributed it to experimental error. However, the discrepancy has turned out to be very real. The ratio of 14C /12C is not constant.

The Specific Production Rate (SPR) of C-14 is known to be 18.8 atoms per gram of total carbon per minute. The Specific Decay Rate (SDR) is known to be only 16.1 disintegrations per gram per minute.3

What does this mean? If it takes about 30,000 years to reach equilibrium and 14C is still out of equilibrium, then maybe the earth is not very old.

What role might the Genesis Flood have played in the amount of carbon? The Flood would have buried large amounts of carbon from living organisms (plant and animal) to form today’s fossil fuels (coal, oil, etc.). The amount of fossil fuels indicates there must have been a vastly larger quantity of vegetation in existence prior to the Flood than exists today. This means that the biosphere just prior to the Flood might have had 500 times more carbon in living organisms than today. This would further dilute the amount of 14C and cause the 14C/12C ratio to be much smaller than today.

If that were the case, and this C-14 were distributed uniformly throughout the biosphere, and the total amount of biosphere C were, for example, 500 times that of today’s world, the resulting C-14/C-12 ratio would be 1/500 of today’s level....7

When the Flood is taken into account along with the decay of the magnetic field, it is reasonable to believe that the assumption of equilibrium is a false assumption.

Because of this false assumption, any age estimates using 14C prior to the Flood will give much older dates than the true age. Pre-Flood material would be dated at perhaps ten times the true age.
-http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3853489#p3853489

[Loki]

Most of those images look like fakes and hoaxes.

[Virtuous]

How about Dragons?

[Anglojew]

Great question.

Besides the excellent artifacts and writings presented above there's also archaeological evidence that modern humans are far older than commonly thought.


“There is evidence that humans were present before, during, and after the age of the dinosaurs. Human footprints alongside dinosaur footprints found in Texas and a modern human skeleton found in a 300 million-year-old layer of slate rock in Illinois.” -Michael Cremo

[Nostalgia]

http://s8int.com/images/palestrina2.gif

[morski]

Yep, one took a shite on me yesterday in the park.

[CordedWhelp]

Most of those images look like fakes and hoaxes.

I think a lot of "old things" that the elites prefer to keep hidden and controversial for now are a meshing of some true things with "fakes" and "hoaxes" peppered in. Truth mixed in lies is the core of their way. It is a good way to discredit a thing...

[Sacrificed Ram]

No, We live together.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_birds

[Loki]

http://s8int.com/images/palestrina2.gif

Interesting.

[Dombra]

Have humans lived beside proper Dinosaurs? Nope

Have humans lived beside some else confused for dragons? Maybe

[Arbërori]

Oh that would've been so cool, I'm obsessed with dinos

[Gaston]

Yes we have. When dinosaurs were around, humans and all mammals looked like this:

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/3584/091008143001large075971.jpg

[Anglojew]

Knowing humans we hunted them to extinction just like we did with the megafauna.

[Sacrificed Ram]

Dragon was a tipical iranic/persian cavalry standard/banner. And iranics and persians were enemies of romans, thus I see some interest in "demonize" this symbol...
http://periklisdeligiannis.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/with-dracofectio.jpg?w=500
Interesting the only book of bible which the specific "Dragon" word appears is the Apocalipse, a book with a lot of other similar persian/iranic references.

But a possible origin for dragon mithology is the dinossaurs fossils. The deserts of central asia has tons of them.

IMO (In My Personal Opinion), thus you are free to accept or not my explanation, even show your explanation too (and according the moderators and administrators of this forum free us)

[Prisoner Of Ice]

http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g32655-d143830-r120787740-Page_Museum_at_the_La_Brea_Tar_Pits-Los_Angeles_California.html

They've found dinosaurs at la brea and t-rex soft tissue preserved in fossils, so probably yes.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g32655-d143830-r120787740-Page_Museum_at_the_La_Brea_Tar_Pits-Los_Angeles_California.html

They've found dinosaurs at la brea and t-rex soft tissue preserved in fossils, so probably yes.

Do you just pick any link to post? I hope this is your attempt at being funny by coming across as stupid.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

See amazing dinosaur bones at la breat tar pits. Should be easy for even you, but nope.

[Svipdag]

Anyone who imagines that mankind could survive contemporaneously with the dinosaurs has watched too many Flintstones cartoons. The great carnivorous dinosaurs would tower over a 3-story house. To such a creature, a man would be a snack, crunchy and tasty. Our vaunted intelligence, the last resort of a slow, unarmored animal with neither fangs nor claws, would offer scant advantage (if any) against such monsters. Even the vegetarian sauropods would unwittingly crush us under foot as they moved from place to place.

Men never domesticated any kind of dinosaurs or rode them. This is an extreme anachronism. There is a gap of about 59,000,000 years between the last dinosaurs and the first men. This is about 1,000 times the range of radiocarbon dating,. The rocks in which dinosaur fossils are found have been dated both stratigraphically and, indirectly, radiometrically by the uranium/lead, U238/U235, lead isotope ratio, and potassium/argon methods which can be checked against each other.

Relative ages based on stratigraphy and absolute dates determined as above in undeformed rocks are consistent. The dates are right ! The dinosaurs were extinct for about 59,000,000 years before Man appeared.

[Smaug]

I am not going to say no, I'm going to say: of course not.

[Guapo]

I am not going to say no, I'm going to say: fuck no.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

See amazing dinosaur bones at la breat tar pits. Should be easy for even you, but nope.

So you are stupid. I looked at the other link (the review). It says nothing relevant to what you were saying.

Please share that 155 IQ with humble me by explaining what in that link is relevant to your post?
http://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g32655-d143830-Reviews-Page_Museum_at_the_La_Brea_Tar_Pits-Los_Angeles_California.html

Here I'll post what is written officially:


Ranked #27 of 390 attractions in Los Angeles
4.5 of 5 stars775 Reviews
Certificate of Excellence 2014
Type: Natural History Museums, Historic Sites, Science Museums, History Museums, Specialty Museums
Activities: Leisure education, Picnicking
Fee: Yes
Recommended length of visit: 1-2 hours
Owner description: Explore the world’s only active, urban Ice Age excavation site. Inside the Page Museum is where we showcase the best fossils, animals and plants that... more »
Useful Information: Activities for older children, Activities for young children

Activities for older children. Aren't you a lucky boy.

Are you speaking of the visitor photos? Or the comments? Please explain where this important information exists for the good of everyone else.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Owner description: Explore the world’s only active, urban Ice Age excavation site. Inside the Page Museum is where we showcase the best fossils, animals and plants that have been discovered here — mammoths, saber-toothed cats, dire wolves and more. Watch our paleontologists working in our Fossil Lab. You can even experience what it’s like to get stuck in the tar with our tar pull.Catch our live multimedia performance of Ice Age Encounters. We uncover the mysteries of the extinct creatures who roamed Los Angeles over 10,000 years ago. This dynamic, 15-minute performance brings the distant past to life.Outside check out the Lake Pit and other tar pits where the tar is still bubbling! Walk through the Pleistocene Garden and see what plants were here in L.A. during the Ice Age. Then visit our active fossil excavation sites — Pit 91 and Project 23 — to see what our excavators have uncovered today.Be sure to reserve your spot on our Excavator Tour —- this is the best way to experience our discoveries in action! Start inside at the Fossil Lab, where we’re working on recently-excavated fossils. Walk around the famous Lake Pit, through the park and down into the newly re-opened Observation Pit to find embedded fossils. The tour concludes at Project 23, our live dig site, where scientists discover new Ice Age specimens every day. Free with museum admission. « less
Useful Information: Activities for young children, Activities for older children

Oh boy.. what a treat for a child exploring the world of dinosaurs... don't exactly see what you were referring to...

[Svipdag]

http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g32655-d143830-r120787740-Page_Museum_at_the_La_Brea_Tar_Pits-Los_Angeles_California.html

They've found dinosaurs at la brea and t-rex soft tissue preserved in fossils, so probably yes.

The La Brea tar pits are Cenozoic. in the early Cenozoic there were giant mammals, nearly as large as dinosaurs. The large bones found at La Brea are mammal bones, not dinosaur bones. The T-Rex soft tissue, if true, would prove nothing except a highly unusual process of preservation.

[zhaoyun]

:picard2:

[Prisoner Of Ice]

The La Brea tar pits are Cenozoic. in the early Cenozoic there were giant mammals, nearly as large as dinosaurs. The large bones found at La Brea are mammal bones, not dinosaur bones. The T-Rex soft tissue, if true, would prove nothing except a highly unusual process of preservation.

Just because they decide that they are giant condors and not dinosaurs doesn't make it true, they share the same descent anyway. I know what you are saying but the problem is you present it as factual when the reality is the fossil record is incredibly spotty.

[Sacrificed Ram]

Paleontology - leon = Patology.
http://www.regmurcia.com/servlet/integra.servlets.Imagenes?METHOD=VERIMAGEN_101949&nombre=Pato_de_granja_[Pato]_res_300.jpg
(a joke for portuguese speakers!)

[Empecinado]

Legends in Europe about giant reptiles do not come from dinosaurs but from exotic animals like crocodiles. Usually nobles bought or received as a gift all kind of animals, and in some cases they escaped or were released to the wild and when were seen by illiterate peasants they thought were monsters and this gave birth to the legends. When they died or were killed sometimes these "lake monsters" or "dragons" were exposed in the churchs. Here examples from Italy, Czech republic and Spain. Notice the crocodile from Prague (last picture) was called the "Dragon of Brno":

http://www.viajesconmitia.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/1crocodile_santa_beata_VIRGENE-DELLE_GRAZIE.jpg

http://i.promecal.es/IMG/2014/1DCA9A24-F814-F483-94B723B032D4434D.JPG

https://cjaronu.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/el-cocodrilo-de-la-catedral-de-sevilla1.jpg

http://lh5.ggpht.com/-4tUpEKOSdbs/Tn-kdX-4shI/AAAAAAAABbo/mjjOdwExdVI/Exvoto-Iglesia-del-Patriarca-Valencia.jpg?imgmax=640

http://www.viajesconmitia.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/0_virgo-dragon_svratka.png

This is the map of crocodiles exposed in churches only in Spain:

http://www.viajesconmitia.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/0_virgo_dragon_espa%C3%B1a_ruta-del_dragon.jpg

In other cases big fishes like pikes or wels catfish are the origin of these legends. A wels catfish can easily surpass 2 meters lenght and 100 kg weight.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cGnpQ1rFQnE/UZ_FkizjS2I/AAAAAAAASZU/14v6jTas_c0/s1600/world+record+biggest+fish++world+ever+caught+big+h uge+fishes+records+largest+monster+fishing+giant+w els+catfish+size+images+pictures+freshwater+river+ po+italy+IGFA+lb+pound.png

[Sacrificed Ram]

Just because they decide that they are giant condors and not dinosaurs doesn't make it true, they share the same descent anyway. I know what you are saying but the problem is you present it as factual when the reality is the fossil record is incredibly spotty.

Now here a master of fallacies!

Condor = Dinossaurs
Condor =/= T-REX

Melonhead is correct! Our hurried interpretation of his words is incorret.

[Übermensch]

nope.

[Teyrn]

Obviously there was a TV show about it. :lol:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s13X66BFd8

[Xanthias]

I hope this thread isn't serious at all.

[Nostalgia]

Svipdag,

Is there any radiometric dating technique that doesn't assume a starting point and a constant rate of change? If there was an original tree and it was indeed designed by a Creator, did it start as an acorn? Also, how many radiometric dating techniques account for what the flood would have done to change things?


It is assumed that the ratio of 14C to 12C in the atmosphere has always been the same as it is today (1 to 1 trillion). If this assumption is true, then the AMS 14C dating method is valid up to about 80,000 years.
This is a critical assumption in the dating process. If this assumption is not true, then the method will give incorrect dates. What could cause this ratio to change? If the production rate of 14C in the atmosphere is not equal to the removal rate (mostly through decay), this ratio will change. In other words, the amount of 14C being produced in the atmosphere must equal the amount being removed to be in a steady state (also called “equilibrium”). If this is not true, the ratio of 14C to 12C is not a constant, which would make knowing the starting amount of 14C in a specimen difficult or impossible to accurately determine.
In Dr. Libby’s original work, he noted that the atmosphere did not appear to be in equilibrium. This was a troubling idea for Dr. Libby since he believed the world was billions of years old and enough time had passed to achieve equilibrium. Dr. Libby’s calculations showed that if the earth started with no 14C in the atmosphere, it would take up to 30,000 years to build up to a steady state (equilibrium).

If the cosmic radiation has remained at its present intensity for 20,000 or 30,000 years, and if the carbon reservoir has not changed appreciably in this time, then there exists at the present time a complete balance between the rate of disintegration of radiocarbon atoms and the rate of assimilation of new radiocarbon atoms for all material in the life-cycle.2
Dr. Libby chose to ignore this discrepancy (nonequilibrium state), and he attributed it to experimental error. However, the discrepancy has turned out to be very real. The ratio of 14C /12C is not constant.

The Specific Production Rate (SPR) of C-14 is known to be 18.8 atoms per gram of total carbon per minute. The Specific Decay Rate (SDR) is known to be only 16.1 disintegrations per gram per minute.3
What does this mean? If it takes about 30,000 years to reach equilibrium and 14C is still out of equilibrium, then maybe the earth is not very old.


What role might the Genesis Flood have played in the amount of carbon? The Flood would have buried large amounts of carbon from living organisms (plant and animal) to form today’s fossil fuels (coal, oil, etc.). The amount of fossil fuels indicates there must have been a vastly larger quantity of vegetation in existence prior to the Flood than exists today. This means that the biosphere just prior to the Flood might have had 500 times more carbon in living organisms than today. This would further dilute the amount of 14C and cause the 14C/12C ratio to be much smaller than today.


When the Flood is taken into account along with the decay of the magnetic field, it is reasonable to believe that the assumption of equilibrium is a false assumption.

Because of this false assumption, any age estimates using 14C prior to the Flood will give much older dates than the true age. Pre-Flood material would be dated at perhaps ten times the true age.

[Nostalgia]

Empecinado,

See first page images? What is really explained with a crocodile? Also, look here and consider written history and ask yourself the same thing?

http://www.genesispark.com/genpark/history/history.htm

[Empecinado]

Empecinado,

See first page images? What is really explained with a crocodile? Also, look here and consider written history and ask yourself the same thing?

http://www.genesispark.com/genpark/history/history.htm

Dragons are also the representation of the most ancient fears of humanity: the wings of an eagle, snake body, mouth of a wolf and bear claws, all combined together.

[Linebacker]

Hominids maybe yes,but modern upright humans certainly did not exist yet back then.

[random]

Case closed.

http://i881.photobucket.com/albums/ac18/LBultema/etsy-marketing-riding-dinos.jpg

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Now here a master of fallacies!

Condor = Dinossaurs
Condor =/= T-REX

Melonhead is correct! Our hurried interpretation of his words is incorret.

Nope, you don't get it.

[Nostalgia]

SvedDC,

You sure humans came from non humans? What's really trustworthy when it comes to mainstream sources of information in general if powers that be even managed to get the word SECLORUM printed with Egyptian symbolism of an occultic nature on U.S. one dollar bills? Think there is no a secular agenda in mainstream media and universities? And what's limited to the United States if you consider stuff like the Bilderberg Group?

"2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against YHWH, and against his anointed, saying,

2:3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us."
Psalm 2:1-3 (The Restored Name King James Version)


There are at least six different and unrelated meanings to the word “evolution” as used in science textbooks.
1. Cosmic evolution- the origin of time, space and matter. Big Bang.
2. Chemical evolution- the origin of higher elements from hydrogen.
3. Stellar and planetary evolution- Origin of stars and planets.
4. Organic evolution- Origin of life from inanimate matter.
5. Macroevolution- Origin of major kinds.
6. Microevolution Variations within kinds- Only this one has been observed, the first five are religious. They are believed, by faith, even though there is no empirical evidence to prove them in any way. While I admire the great faith of the evolutionists who accept the first five I object to having this religious propaganda included in with legitimate science at taxpayer’s expense.
Even a quick review of a typical public school textbook will show that students are being deceived into thinking all six types of evolution above have been proven because evidence is given for minor variations called micro-evolution. The first five are smuggled in when no one is watching.
This deception is a classic case of bait and switch. One definition of evolution (such as “descent with modification”) is given and the others are assumed to be true by association. The first five meanings are believed by faith, have never been observed and are religious. Only the last one is scientific. It is also what the Bible predicted would happen. The animals and plants would bring forth “after their kind” in Genesis 1.

"Modern apes ... seem to have sprung out of nowhere. They have no yesterday,
no fossil record. And the true origin of modern humans ... is, if we are to be
honest with ourselves, an equally mysterious matter."
(Lyall
Watson, Ph.D., Evolutionist)

[Linebacker]

^ The Darwin theory is as solid as a concrete block.

We were once apes,who stood up and became hominids,and those hominids with hundreds of thousands of years evolved into intelligent upright humans.Its in our DNA.

The DNA of humans and all kinds of apes today is 98% identical.

[Nostalgia]

SvenDC,

http://creationrev.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Creation-kind-Evolution-tree.jpg
-http://creationrev.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Creation-kind-Evolution-tree.jpg

http://www.arrivalofthefittest.com/images/4a/Image136.gif
-http://www.arrivalofthefittest.com/images/4a/Image136.gif

"In most people's minds, fossils and Evolution go hand in hand. In reality,
fossils are a great embarrassment to Evolutionary theory and offer strong
support for the concept of Creation. If Evolution were true, we should find
literally millions of fossils that show how one kind of life slowly and
gradually changed to another kind of life. But missing links are the trade
secret, in a sense, of palaeontology. The point is, the links are still missing.
What we really find are gaps that sharpen up the boundaries between kinds. It's
those gaps which provide us with the evidence of Creation of separate kinds. As
a matter of fact, there are gaps between each of the major kinds of plants and
animals. Transition forms are missing by the millions. What we do find are
separate and complex kinds, pointing to Creation."
(Dr Gary
Parker Biologist/palaeontologist and former ardent Evolutionist.)

Also, ever studied the Book of Enoch and read about a rebel angel teaching of the cutting of roots? What is new about gene splicing? Chimpanzees and swine might actually be descendants of humans and the product of genetic manipulation.

http://www.ultramax-music.com/images/SumerMedicine.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/2czagki.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/2q2qo8g.jpg

Notice how close the trilithon stones are to Mount Hermon? Guess where rebel angels descended to according to the Book of Enoch? What's a coincidence? Think human slaves built the Great Pyramid with hemp rope?

[SardiniaAtlantis]

Yes, we live with birds.

[Scholarios]

Funny stuff here. Nope. Humans missed dinosaurs by 10s of millions of years.

Love apricity sophism.

[SardiniaAtlantis]

Funny stuff here. Nope. Humans missed dinosaurs by 10s of millions of years.

Love apricity sophism.

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