Another autosomal DNA for Turkish and other ethnicities

[ButlerKing]

New 2014 study

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Oa3bBts6e3M/Ur6VH_81tpI/AAAAAAAAAUI/JGoPs1UmWyA/s1600/Lazaridis2014_EDF3_K6.png

Turks admixtures


http://i59.tinypic.com/30dfkzk.png

[ButlerKing]

Turks admixture. LOL aside from being primary West Eurasian (of European + Middle eastern) they also have like:

0% to 17.8% East Eurasian
1% to 5% South Indian
0% to 1.5% African

They have every genes that others don't have. Turks are basically 11% non-caucasoid on average. But of course this is a study from only one province another province gives their mongoloid admixture much higher like in Aydyn province with 65% being between 10-20% Mongoloid and this not accounting other non-caucasoid dna in Turkish Aydin people proving once again Turks is the most mix group in the area between Europe/Middle east.

[ButlerKing]

20% to 43% Mongoloid/East Eurasian

1.2% to 3.8% South Indian

http://i57.tinypic.com/2v0d17l.png

[Gaston]

What study? And at what K are the results? Otherwise your thread is useless and the results shown here have 0 meaning.

[ButlerKing]

What study? And at what K are the results? Otherwise your thread is useless and the results shown here have 0 meaning.

I got the study from the blog. The original is this

Global Admixture Analysis at K=6
DECEMBER 31, 2013

http://racialreality.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/global-admixture-analysis-at-k6.html


This new study has one of the biggest global admixture analyses ever done (185 populations at 293,832 SNPs), but it's a little hard to view so I made a more user friendly version of one of the runs. I chose K=6 because it shows clearly the divisions and admixture between the six main racial groups: Capoid (red), Negroid (orange), Caucasoid (blue), Americoid (green), Mongoloid (yellow) and Australoid (purple). Click the image below to enlarge it and scroll down for examples of the racial types.

[Gaston]

You choose the K to fit your obsolete racial classification. You have no idea how ADMIXTURE and population genetics works.

EDIT. Replace "you" by "that blog's author".

It comes from Lazaridis et al. then, where the main point is the three-way admix of Europeans (EEF+WHG+ANE). The blog's author didn't understand the study and just picked what suited his agenda. How pathetic.

[ButlerKing]

You choose the K to fit your obsolete racial classification. You have no idea how ADMIXTURE and population genetics works.

EDIT. Replace "you" by "that blog's author".

It comes from Lazaridis et al. then, where the main point is the three-way admix of Europeans (EEF+WHG+ANE). The blog's author didn't understand the study and just picked what suited his agenda. How pathetic.

Blah Blah Blah. Stop accusing me with your bullshit I just showed you link and study, this is the only recent autosomal study there is for 2014 by Lazaridis et al. Also I don't know how much you know about genetics for you talk like this, you could be way more wrong without being unaware of it yourself.

( It's always these random members talking like they understand more shit than the average scientist of experienced blogger )

Why are you so against it anyway? did something hit your nerve or what?

[ab000]

You're on late for the UK Butler. :)

[Gaston]

Blah Blah Blah. Stop accusing me with your bullshit I just showed you link and study, this is the only recent autosomal study there is for 2014 by Lazaridis et al. Also I don't know how much you know about genetics for you talk like this, you could be way more wrong without being unaware of it yourself.

( It's always these random members talking like they understand more shit than the average scientist of experienced blogger )

Why are you so against it anyway? did something hit your nerve or what?

Experienced blogger? The "blogger" you cited is a retard with racist views and knows shit about genetics. Just like you.

And no, I am not a "random member", I know my shit very well while everybody knows butlerking is not a Brit but a sockpuppet account.

You're using the data that suits your agenda(s). If you were objective, you'd have cited the study first, the K of the ADMIXTURE run and the whole ADMIXTURE run starting at K=2.

[ButlerKing]

Experienced blogger? The "blogger" you cited is a retard with racist views and knows shit about genetics. Just like you.

And no, I am not a "random member", I know my shit very well while everybody knows butlerking is not a Brit but a sockpuppet account.

You're using the data that suits your agenda(s). If you were objective, you'd have cited the study first, the K of the ADMIXTURE run and the whole ADMIXTURE run starting at K=2.


And many others here don't cite links to the study either....so what? rather than focusing on me try to prove this study and me wrong.

I don't know how right or wrong you are at the moment.

[The King, I am]

What's the blue?

[ButlerKing]

What's the blue?

Blue represent west eurasian admixture

[MagnusAurelius]

New 2014 study

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Oa3bBts6e3M/Ur6VH_81tpI/AAAAAAAAAUI/JGoPs1UmWyA/s1600/Lazaridis2014_EDF3_K6.png

Turks admixtures


http://i59.tinypic.com/30dfkzk.png

I dislike this study, I refuse to believe that Punjabi's and Gujarati's have that much non-Caucasoid admixture.

http://racialreality.blogspot.ca/2013/12/global-admixture-analysis-at-k6.html It is from this. You probably saw me post this first before.

https://imgur.com/a/c7Eid K6 yielded similar results for Gujarati's and Punjabi's here.

http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/suppl/2014/04/02/001552.DC3/001552-1.pdf Is from this.

I think it is wrong, too much Australoid admixture due to the complexity of South Asian population history.

http://www.harappadna.org/2011/04/reference-3-admixture-k11/ Harrapa is much better, I hope the rest of ASI is really Dravidian Caucasoid (Iranian Neolithic).

http://www.harappadna.org/2011/06/caste-is-not-ancestrally-arbitrary/

Seems to correspond with having similar results to SOuth Asians, the East Eurasian would be a pure Indigenous component with no Caucasoid here, can compare/contrast the ancient DNA results with Harapa, the amount of Indigenous admixture is similar.

https://i.imgur.com/kQNnx6o.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/EqNWxmT.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/trndnfF.jpg My results for this component, of course it is 0%.

[Hudayar]

I tried to calculate the Mongoloid admixture in Turks

the most mongoloid Turk is around 21-22% mongoloid
the least mongoloid Turk (didn't count 0% ones as Turk because they obviously are not Turkish) 3-4% mongoloid
a lot of Turks are between 10-15% range, some Turks are above 15% and some are below 10%

https://i.hizliresim.com/Gy3AJ7.png

[Hadouken]

I tried to calculate the Mongoloid admixture in Turks

the most mongoloid Turk is around 21-22% mongoloid
the least mongoloid Turk (didn't count 0% ones as Turk because they obviously are not Turkish) 3-4% mongoloid
a lot of Turks are between 10-15% range, some Turks are above 15% and some are below 10%

https://i.hizliresim.com/Gy3AJ7.png

there are ethnic turks that score 0-1% . mainly from trabzon , erzurum etc

[Hudayar]

there are ethnic turks that score 0-1% . mainly from trabzon , erzurum etc

I doubt Erzurum, but Trabzon is a notorious case as i mentioned before.
the problem is that we don't know where those samples were taken from, actually i don't even know whether this was made up or not.

[Hadouken]

I doubt Erzurum, but Trabzon is a notorious case as i mentioned before.
the problem is that we don't know where those samples were taken from, actually i don't even know whether this was made up or not.

I have 2 kit numbers of erzurum turks . they are the relatives of a turkish forum member

and I also have a kit nr. from a nationalist guy from trabzon and he scores very little . a little more than 0-1% but still

[Hudayar]

I have 2 kit numbers of erzurum turks . they are the relatives of a turkish forum member

and I also have a kit nr. from a nationalist guy from trabzon and he scores very little . a little more than 0-1% but still

2 are not enough to classify entire Erzurum.
Trabzon on the other hand... maybe Şalpazarı samples would score more than regular people from Trabzon?

[Hadouken]

2 are not enough to classify entire Erzurum.
Trabzon on the other hand... maybe Şalpazarı samples would score more than regular people from Trabzon?

I dont know unfortunately

[ButlerKing]

The Punjabi, Gujarati3, Gujarati4 are most likely tribal people, their DNA are not typical of Northwest Indians.


In other study of Turkmen shows some of them with 55-60% Mongoloid East Asian DNA.

Many of them look like 98% and 100% Genetically/Physically East Asian Mongoloid.

[gültekin]

2 are not enough to classify entire Erzurum.
Trabzon on the other hand... maybe Şalpazarı samples would score more than regular people from Trabzon?

I dont know unfortunately
half Giresun/coast-half Trabzon/Şalpazarı
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 39.28
2 Gedrosia 15.44
3 Atlantic_Med 10.81
4 North_European 8.42
5 East_Asian 8.13
6 Siberian 7.58
7 Southwest_Asian 6.95
8 South_Asian 2.31
9 Northwest_African 0.7
10 Southeast_Asian 0.37

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turks (Behar) 9.95
2 Turkish (Dodecad) 10.62
3 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 15.83
4 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 15.98
5 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 16.37
6 Iranian (Dodecad) 17.43
7 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 17.83
8 Kurd (Dodecad) 17.84
9 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 18.36
10 Iranians (Behar) 20.2
11 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 20.56
12 Armenian (Dodecad) 20.7
13 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 20.7
14 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 20.7
15 Lebanese (Behar) 21.11
16 Assyrian (Dodecad) 21.35
17 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 22.18
18 Armenians (Behar) 22.21
19 Cypriots (Behar) 22.34
20 Balkars (Yunusbayev) 22.64

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.5% Turkish (Dodecad) + 21.5% Hazara (HGDP) @ 2.7
2 79.9% Turks (Behar) + 20.1% Hazara (HGDP) @ 3.26
3 75.1% Turkish (Dodecad) + 24.9% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 3.35
4 86.4% Turks (Behar) + 13.6% Mongol (Rasmussen) @ 3.43
5 76.5% Turks (Behar) + 23.5% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 3.5
6 85.9% Turks (Behar) + 14.1% Altai (Rasmussen) @ 3.63
7 79% Turkish (Dodecad) + 21% Uygur (HGDP) @ 3.9
8 85.2% Turkish (Dodecad) + 14.8% Altai (Rasmussen) @ 3.95
9 80.2% Turks (Behar) + 19.8% Uygur (HGDP) @ 3.98
10 88.8% Turks (Behar) + 11.2% Oroqen (HGDP) @ 4
11 85.8% Turkish (Dodecad) + 14.2% Mongol (Rasmussen) @ 4.02
12 88.1% Turks (Behar) + 11.9% Buryat (Rasmussen) @ 4.05
13 88% Turks (Behar) + 12% Tuva (Rasmussen) @ 4.33
14 58.1% Armenians (Behar) + 41.9% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 4.41
15 59.9% Armenian (Dodecad) + 40.1% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 4.42
16 87.4% Turkish (Dodecad) + 12.6% Buryat (Rasmussen) @ 4.48
17 88.3% Turkish (Dodecad) + 11.7% Oroqen (HGDP) @ 4.55
18 89.5% Turks (Behar) + 10.5% Daur (HGDP) @ 4.56
19 87.3% Turkish (Dodecad) + 12.7% Tuva (Rasmussen) @ 4.66
20 89.7% Turks (Behar) + 10.3% Hezhen (HGDP) @ 4.83

[Hadouken]

dayum giresun

[ButlerKing]

I tried to calculate the Mongoloid admixture in Turks

the most mongoloid Turk is around 21-22% mongoloid
the least mongoloid Turk (didn't count 0% ones as Turk because they obviously are not Turkish) 3-4% mongoloid
a lot of Turks are between 10-15% range, some Turks are above 15% and some are below 10%

https://i.hizliresim.com/Gy3AJ7.png

Good DNA result it shows percentages in the chart. I used a ruler to measure (0cm to 10cm / 0-100% Cm) the Turkmen DNA chart. It shows 22.6% to 46.5% East Eurasian but I can't be sure how accurate my measurements were but it's better just saying 20-43% based only on my own perception.

In this, the Mongoloid DNA seems way more higher being from 25-59% Mongoloid for Turkmen. Although I can't find the source for this study just like for your DNA result I really do think there are Turkmen that are even more than 70% Mongoloid

http://i63.tinypic.com/23m3cqx.jpg


Not trying to say they look Chinese but holycrap man, there so Mongoloid looking that it makes their Caucasian admixture irrelevant, many of these Turkmen even look more Mongoloid than the Kazakh, Kyrgyz.

This one looks 100% Mongoloid
http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/670bbe11109245e3853c7e3fd9326d27/turkmen-man-at-the-konye-urgench-market-turkmenistan-oct-2011-cce4yn.jpg

The guy on left 30% maybe but the one in the middle and right are 70-100% Mongoloid. I mean the guy on right even look almost like a typical Korean.
http://www.turkmenistan.gov.tm/photo/sport_tourizm/2012/120712-1.jpg


I mean there are many Turkmens who definitely look way more than just 50% Mongoloid.

[Hudayar]

Good DNA result it shows percentages in the chart. I used a ruler to measure (0cm to 10cm / 0-100% Cm) the Turkmen DNA chart. It shows 22.6% to 46.5% East Eurasian but I can't be sure how accurate my measurements were but it's better just saying 20-43% based only on my own perception.

In this, the Mongoloid DNA seems way more higher being from 25-59% Mongoloid for Turkmen. Although I can't find the source for this study just like for your DNA result I really do think there are Turkmen that are even more than 70% Mongoloid

http://i63.tinypic.com/23m3cqx.jpg


Not trying to say they look Chinese but holycrap man, there so Mongoloid looking that it makes their Caucasian admixture irrelevant, many of these Turkmen even look more Mongoloid than the Kazakh, Kyrgyz.

This one looks 100% Mongoloid
http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/670bbe11109245e3853c7e3fd9326d27/turkmen-man-at-the-konye-urgench-market-turkmenistan-oct-2011-cce4yn.jpg

The guy on left 30% maybe but the one in the middle and right are 70-100% Mongoloid. I mean the guy on right even look almost like a typical Korean.
http://www.turkmenistan.gov.tm/photo/sport_tourizm/2012/120712-1.jpg


I mean there are many Turkmens who definitely look way more than just 50% Mongoloid.

Turkmens cannot be above 50% mongoloid on average (mdlp k23b sheet etc) they're 30-40%

[Hudayar]

half Giresun/coast-half Trabzon/Şalpazarı
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 39.28
2 Gedrosia 15.44
3 Atlantic_Med 10.81
4 North_European 8.42
5 East_Asian 8.13
6 Siberian 7.58
7 Southwest_Asian 6.95
8 South_Asian 2.31
9 Northwest_African 0.7
10 Southeast_Asian 0.37

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turks (Behar) 9.95
2 Turkish (Dodecad) 10.62
3 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 15.83
4 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 15.98
5 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 16.37
6 Iranian (Dodecad) 17.43
7 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 17.83
8 Kurd (Dodecad) 17.84
9 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 18.36
10 Iranians (Behar) 20.2
11 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 20.56
12 Armenian (Dodecad) 20.7
13 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 20.7
14 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 20.7
15 Lebanese (Behar) 21.11
16 Assyrian (Dodecad) 21.35
17 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 22.18
18 Armenians (Behar) 22.21
19 Cypriots (Behar) 22.34
20 Balkars (Yunusbayev) 22.64

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.5% Turkish (Dodecad) + 21.5% Hazara (HGDP) @ 2.7
2 79.9% Turks (Behar) + 20.1% Hazara (HGDP) @ 3.26
3 75.1% Turkish (Dodecad) + 24.9% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 3.35
4 86.4% Turks (Behar) + 13.6% Mongol (Rasmussen) @ 3.43
5 76.5% Turks (Behar) + 23.5% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 3.5
6 85.9% Turks (Behar) + 14.1% Altai (Rasmussen) @ 3.63
7 79% Turkish (Dodecad) + 21% Uygur (HGDP) @ 3.9
8 85.2% Turkish (Dodecad) + 14.8% Altai (Rasmussen) @ 3.95
9 80.2% Turks (Behar) + 19.8% Uygur (HGDP) @ 3.98
10 88.8% Turks (Behar) + 11.2% Oroqen (HGDP) @ 4
11 85.8% Turkish (Dodecad) + 14.2% Mongol (Rasmussen) @ 4.02
12 88.1% Turks (Behar) + 11.9% Buryat (Rasmussen) @ 4.05
13 88% Turks (Behar) + 12% Tuva (Rasmussen) @ 4.33
14 58.1% Armenians (Behar) + 41.9% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 4.41
15 59.9% Armenian (Dodecad) + 40.1% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 4.42
16 87.4% Turkish (Dodecad) + 12.6% Buryat (Rasmussen) @ 4.48
17 88.3% Turkish (Dodecad) + 11.7% Oroqen (HGDP) @ 4.55
18 89.5% Turks (Behar) + 10.5% Daur (HGDP) @ 4.56
19 87.3% Turkish (Dodecad) + 12.7% Tuva (Rasmussen) @ 4.66
20 89.7% Turks (Behar) + 10.3% Hezhen (HGDP) @ 4.83

Thank you!
the only reason why this guy appears as Turk+20% Central asian/uyghur etc is because Dodecad samples are extremely cherrypicked and they're 5-6% mongoloid on average to support his 14-15% central asian theory. But in fact many Turks score above than that.. Dienekes is a manipulative snake :) Dunno about Behar

Do you happen to have his MDLP K23b or Eurasia K9 ASI or Eurogenes K13 results?

[Hudayar]

The Punjabi, Gujarati3, Gujarati4 are most likely tribal people, their DNA are not typical of Northwest Indians.


In other study of Turkmen shows some of them with 55-60% Mongoloid East Asian DNA.

Many of them look like 98% and 100% Genetically/Physically East Asian Mongoloid.

We had a Turkmen guy in our classroom and before he told me that he's actually Turkmen i had thought he was Kurdish, he had a crooked nose, unibrow and was very swarthy. And there was an another Turkmen who looked like the lost brother of Gurbanguly Berdimuhammedow. They vary in their looks but they never look 100% mongoloid

[ButlerKing]

Turkmens cannot be above 50% mongoloid on average (mdlp k23b sheet etc) they're 30-40%

Spreadsheet are not reliable, they show only the 1st average number even if makes up only 20% of Turkmen population. For example if there 10 out of 50 samples with 30% Mongoloid, they would ignore the other samples that make up the 2nd and 3rd average number. For example if 2nd average number showing 55% Mongoloid from 9 out of 50 samples they won't be included in the spreadsheet.

You say Turkmen cannot be above 50% Mongoloid average I say impossible to look 70-100% Mongoloid and still below 50% in DNA. It is therefore normal to suspect there are many Turkmen who are over 50% Mongoloid because how can you look almost no different to a Chinese and have less than half of DNA?

There faces way too Mongoloid to be under 50%. They look 70-100% Mongoloid !!!!!

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-279741b687e537d148194673de71cb49-c
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/cf/05/8f/cf058f69e4ee7091520873cb7dc020d3--yurt-tent-turkish-people.jpg
http://c8.alamy.com/comp/B982MG/turkmen-girls-in-national-dress-at-the-harvest-festival-pakhta-bairam-B982MG.jpg

[Hudayar]

If you think Turkmens look 100% East Asian then look at this pic, there's a Jap and rest are Turkmens, can you find the Jap?

http://www.turkmenistan.gov.tm/photo/science/2016/101016-2.jpg

[ButlerKing]

If you think Turkmens look 100% East Asian then look at this pic, there's a Jap and rest are Turkmens, can you find the Jap?

http://www.turkmenistan.gov.tm/photo/science/2016/101016-2.jpg


You're mistaken. I never sad Turkmens look 100% East Asian on but many of them look 70-100% East Asian. Obviously the Jap women is the one wearing a Kimono.

[Leto]

There is a member called Knowledge is king here, he's around 60% East Asian and Siberian autosomally, but looks 100% Asian. Not a bit Caucasoid, although he has a good amount of European and Caucasus HG ancestry.