Serbian Government Finance Muslim Albanian Sites

[iNird]

http://gazetaora.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/10151174_10203747443026101_3002927763312044815_n.j pg

http://gazetaora.com/serbia-organizon-dhe-financon-islamizmin-ekstremist-ne-kosove/

Not much has changed from the Yugoslav days. And the dumb Albanian Muslim sheeps flock to these website.

#lettheflamewarbegin

[Kastrioti1443]

This is a well known thing.

Serbs are being clever here, the only ones who are not clever are the ethnic albanians who have not killed or deported these mongrels yet, like Faud Ramiqi, this is what i do not understand.

[Stefan_Dusan]

This is a well known thing.

Serbs are being clever here, the only ones who are not clever are the ethnic albanians who have not killed or deported these mongrels yet, like Faud Ramiqi, this is what i do not understand.

Ramiq (Ramic) is a well known Bosniak name, how is he originally Albanian xD where is he from?

[Minesweeper]

I don't see how is it in our interest to run Albanian islamist sites?


Ramiq (Ramic) is a well known Bosniak name, how is he originally Albanian xD where is he from?

I know Gypsies from Bosnia with that name.

[Kastrioti1443]

Ramiq (Ramic) is a well known Bosniak name, how is he originally Albanian xD where is he from?

He is a bosniak.

[iNird]

I don't see how is it in our interest to run Albanian islamist sites?



I know Gypsies from Bosnia with that name.

The article claims it is an attempt to strengthen wahhabism in Kosova in hopes to lose American support. Whether it is true or not is another story but the policy is not that different than 60 years ago:

"The Serbian officials first tried to assimilate the Albanians by offering them education only in the Serbian language. Bosnian Muslim teachers with pro-Serbian orientation were used to help in this process. When it became clear that Serbianization of the Albanians was doomed to failure and that the Serbian schools might produce some Albanian intellectuals in opposition to the regime, the Serbian officials began to prevent the Albanians from attending the public schools. The Albanians were allowed to follow religious education only in the so-called Turkish schools, mektebs (elementary schools) and medreses (secondary schools), employing the Arabic of the Quran and Turkish as the medium of education. The Serbian rulers hoped that these schools would keep the Albanians backward, but the Albanians were to turn these schools into underground centers of nationalist education and anti-goverment activities.19"

http://freewebs.com/ovsiste/ALBANIAN%20IDENTITY.pdf

[Stefan_Dusan]

The article claims it is an attempt to strengthen wahhabism in Kosova in hopes to lose American support. Whether it is true or not is another story but the policy is not that different than 60 years ago:

60 years ago there was no Serbian rule in Kosovo. It was communist Yugoslavia. You mean 80+ years ago.

[Skerdilaid]

60 years ago there was no Serbian rule in Kosovo. It was communist Yugoslavia. You mean 80+ years ago.

America has brain washed you to no return my friend, you can't even distinguish black from white anymore.

[Stefan_Dusan]

America has brain washed you to no return my friend, you can't even distinguish black from white anymore.

There was no Serb rule in Kosovo 60 years ago.

[Skerdilaid]

The article claims it is an attempt to strengthen wahhabism in Kosova in hopes to lose American support. Whether it is true or not is another story but the policy is not that different than 60 years ago:

"The Serbian officials first tried to assimilate the Albanians by offering them education only in the Serbian language. Bosnian Muslim teachers with pro-Serbian orientation were used to help in this process. When it became clear that Serbianization of the Albanians was doomed to failure and that the Serbian schools might produce some Albanian intellectuals in opposition to the regime, the Serbian officials began to prevent the Albanians from attending the public schools. The Albanians were allowed to follow religious education only in the so-called Turkish schools, mektebs (elementary schools) and medreses (secondary schools), employing the Arabic of the Quran and Turkish as the medium of education. The Serbian rulers hoped that these schools would keep the Albanians backward, but the Albanians were to turn these schools into underground centers of nationalist education and anti-goverment activities.19"

http://freewebs.com/ovsiste/ALBANIAN%20IDENTITY.pdf

This is the truth. There were even some Muslim Russians brought as Hoxhas back in the day in Kosova to brain wash the flock. They failed miserably in my region though because of us being more traditional. My grandfather used to say, there is no difference between a Hoxha and an Orthodox Priest, they both go get their wages in Mitrovica and maybe the only difference is that the Hoxha might make more;)

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Doesn't come as surprising, back in the days there used to be Russian and Serbian policy to finance imams or we had many cases where imams came straight from Russia proper for this job on mission of brainwashing Albanian people in Kosova with religious bullcrap to leave our people illiterate but the best thing was we were never religious to the point to believe or leave us illiterate with no national consciousness whatsoever since we had this on our mentality from beginning and kept this way to our very own days.....Hence this is main reason I feel deep antipathy to religious people who don't feel any connection with national identity whether Muslim or Christian Albanians since all are known for being financed from anti-Albanian lobbies by manipulating our healthy minded Albos with religious non-existing issues so far, this is what Greek-American lobby tried to do with Albania, the same thing is what Serbia tried to in Kosova.

[Skerdilaid]

There was no Serb rule in Kosovo 60 years ago.

Go educate yourself peasant. It was not the Slovenians who imprisoned and killed us for being what we are:rolleyes:

[Stefan_Dusan]

Go educate yourself peasant. It was not the Slovenians who imprisoned and killed us for being what we are:rolleyes:

It was communist Tito, not Serbs. Again I repeat, Serbs did not control Kosovo 60 years ago. Otherwise we would have allowed 100,000 + Serbs and Montenegrins to return.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Ramiq (Ramic) is a well known Bosniak name, how is he originally Albanian xD where is he from?

Actually you're right since he is Bosniak origin, Ramici use religion to manipulate or spy on our policy making.

PS. He comes from Pozharan of Vitia (Vitina) municipality.

[iNird]

It was communist Tito, not Serbs. Again I repeat, Serbs did not control Kosovo 60 years ago. Otherwise we would have allowed 100,000 + Serbs and Montenegrins to return.

The policies did not differ much in fact Rankovic's rule was probably worst. Not to mention secret agreements in the 50s and 60s between Yugoslavia and Turkey, have sent 50-100k Albanians from Macedonia to Turkey and Kosovar Albanians to a smaller extent.

Anyways you are arguing small details whether it was 60 or 80 years ago.

[Skerdilaid]

It was communist Tito, not Serbs. Again I repeat, Serbs did not control Kosovo 60 years ago. Otherwise we would have allowed 100,000 + Serbs and Montenegrins to return.

They were not allowed to return for other reasons. Yugoslavia survived in loans and it need Trepca and Freonikel to function. The region would have turned in a total war if they allowed them to return, so take your head out of your ass once in a while and see things how they are. The fact remains that Serbs dominated Kosova in policy making and also in high positions of the province. The only time when Kosova had a bit of freedom was in 74, and that lasted up to 81.

[Stefan_Dusan]

The policies did not differ much in fact Rankovic's rule was probably worst.

They differed greatly. If Serbians ruled the area we would have allowed displaced Serbs to return. Tito on other hand just wanted to keep region from rebelling and destabilizing Yugoslav balance. Rankovic did not rule anything, he took orders from Tito.

Anyways those "Albanians" (many were Turks) left on their accord, Tito just made it easier for them.

[Stefan_Dusan]

They were not allowed to return for other reasons. Yugoslavia survived in loans and it need Trepca and Freonikel to function. The region would have turned in a total war if they allowed them to return,

No it wouldn't, all Albanian rebels were killed of by 1948. You were too tired to do anything. The reason Serbs weren't allowed to return was Tito was weary of Serbian nationalism resurgent.

The rest you said is bullshit.

[Skerdilaid]

No it wouldn't, all Albanian rebels were killed of by 1948. You were too tired to do anything. The reason Serbs weren't allowed to return was Tito was weary of Serbian nationalism resurgent.

The rest you said is bullshit.


Tensions between the Serbian and Albanian communities in Kosovo simmered throughout the 20th century and occasionally erupted into major violence, particularly during the First Balkan War, World War I, and World War II. The socialist government of Josip Broz Tito systematically repressed all manifestations of nationalism throughout Yugoslavia, seeking to ensure that no republic or nationality gained dominance over the others. In particular, the power of Serbia—the largest and most populous republic—was diluted by the establishment of autonomous governments in the province of Vojvodina in the north and Kosovo in the south. Kosovo's borders did not precisely match the areas of ethnic Albanian settlement in Yugoslavia (significant numbers of Albanians were left in the Republic of Macedonia, Montenegro, and Central Serbia. Kosovo's formal autonomy, established under the 1945 Yugoslav constitution, initially meant relatively little in practice. The secret police cracked down hard on nationalists. In 1956, a number of Albanians were put on trial in Kosovo on charges of espionage and subversion. The threat of separatism was in fact minimal, as the few underground groups aiming for union with Albania were politically insignificant. Their long-term impact was substantial, though, as some—particularly the Revolutionary Movement for Albanian Unity, founded by Adem Demaci—were to form the political core of the Kosovo Liberation Army. Demaci himself was imprisoned in 1964 along with many of his followers. Yugoslavia underwent a period of economic and political crisis in 1969, as a massive government program of economic reform widened the gap between the rich north and poor south of the country.

Student demonstrations and riots in Belgrade in June 1968 spread to Kosovo in November the same year, but were quelled by the Yugoslav security forces. However, some of the students' demands—in particular, representative powers for Albanians in both the Serbian and Yugoslav state bodies, and better recognition of the Albanian language—were conceded by Tito. The University of Pristina was established as an independent institution in 1970, ending a long period when the institution had been run as an outpost of Belgrade University. The Albanisation of education in Kosovo was hampered by the lack of Albanian language educational materials in Yugoslavia, so an agreement was struck with Albania itself to supply textbooks.

In 1969, the Serbian Orthodox Church ordered its clergy to compile data on the ongoing problems of Serbs in Kosovo, seeking to pressure the government in Belgrade to do more to protect the interests of Serbs there.

In 1974, Kosovo's political status was improved further when a new Yugoslav constitution granted an expanded set of political rights. Along with Vojvodina, Kosovo was declared a province and gained many of the powers of a fully-fledged republic: a seat on the federal presidency and its own assembly, police force, and national bank.[73]

[Stefan_Dusan]

So what your autonomy mean? You were run by communist Tito not Serbs.

[iNird]

Anyways those "Albanians" (many were Turks) left on their accord, Tito just made it easier for them.

That's simplifying the issue:


By 1953 many Albanians who were fearful about their position in Yugoslavia had declared themselves to be “Turks.” The Yugoslav authorities also took measures to encourage people in Kosovo and Macedonia to identify themselves as Turks. The Turks were declared a national minority and new Turkish schools were opened. Since the term “Turk” was still used in the region as a general term for Muslims, it was acceptable to the devout elements among Muslim Albanians. These develop- ments seem to have been not only the product of a policy of divide and rule but also part of a plan aimed at the removal of large numbers of Albanians.24 In accordance with the treaty of 1953 signed with Turkey, Yugoslavia allowed large-scale emigration of Yugoslav “Turks” to Turkey. Extensive emigration took place in the period following 1953.25 However, some of them were in fact Muslim Albanians (mainly from Macedonia and Kosovo) who had claimed to be Turks in order to take advantage of the emigration treaty.26

http://freewebs.com/ovsiste/ALBANIAN%20IDENTITY.pdf

There were others in areas like Manastir were the policy was deliberate and Albanians were pressured to leave for the incoming Slavs from Northern Greece. Once these Albanians emigrated/deported their citizenship was revoked. One of my aunts (my grandfather's first cousin) left for Turkey in the 1906s and last year tried to get Macedonian citizenship but she was listed as "dead" in the Macedonian archives. Her brother left but tried to come back in the 70s and had to sneak in the country and was kept hidden for a few years for fear of being deported back. He ended up committing suicide.

[La Misse]

Stupid Serbs, you are behind almost all Anti-Albanian propaganda. I have yet to see any Albanian forum/site making propaganda against you. Get a life, Kosovo will never be yours and Albanians will continue to tolerate religions. Go to twitter and 1/10 posts are from serbian dump sites like serbianna who lie all the time.

We can't do anything to you anymore baybe because we don't want to mess with low humans but let hope God will do something.

[Stefan_Dusan]

That's simplifying the issue:


Not really, those who identify as Turks are either really Turks or those Albanians who still wanted to be part of Turkey/Ottoman either due to religion or whatever reason. No Albanian woke up one day and said he was going to declare to be 'Turk'. I know what the opinion peace says, I don't agree with it from my knowledge of Albanians, none of you would give up your identity like that.

[iNird]

Stupid Serbs, you are behind almost all Anti-Albanian propaganda. I have yet to see any Albanian forum/site making propaganda against you. Get a life, Kosovo will never be yours and Albanians will continue to tolerate religions. Go to twitter and 1/10 posts are from serbian dump sites like serbianna who lie all the time.

We can't do anything to you anymore baybe because we don't want to mess with low humans but let hope God will do something.

If the story is true, then the Serbs are smart. For a low amount of money they can create a website and brainwash a few of these idiots. The dumb ones are the Albanians that fall for these type of sites after not learning from the mistakes from their past.

[Skerdilaid]

So what your autonomy mean? You were run by communist Tito not Serbs.

We were ruled by Serbs, not Tito. He didn't give a fuck about the province until the 70s, so the fact remains that Rankovic and his cronies did whatever they wanted and non could question them.

[Stefan_Dusan]

Anyways what's not mentioned is that when Serbia got Kosovo after first Balkan war, there was considerably minority of Turks, now no longer in existence in Kosovo. Some of them were assimilated by Albanians, other left in the initiatives you describe.

[Stefan_Dusan]

We were ruled by Serbs, not Tito. He didn't give a fuck about the province until the 70s, so the fact remains that Rankovic and his cronies did whatever they wanted and non could question them.

Nope, Tito ruled Kosovo, as he controlled Rankovic. Serbian rule would have meant 100,000 Serbs returning immediately. Tito on the other hand didn't care about demographic issue because he's not Serb. He wanted Albania to join with Yugoslavia, where he would detach Kosovo and give it to Albanian "republic". But when Yugoslavia split with Soviet Union this became impossible (Albania was firmly in union with USSR) so Tito had to make sure Albanians would not rebel in Kosovo encouraged by USSR/Albania.

[iNird]

Not really, those who identify as Turks are either really Turks or those Albanians who still wanted to be part of Turkey/Ottoman either due to religion or whatever reason. No Albanian woke up one day and said he was going to declare to be 'Turk'. I know what the opinion peace says, I don't agree with it from my knowledge of Albanians, none of you would give up your identity like that.

You can believe what you want but this is all well documented. Sure there might of been some that did not want to be ruled by Slavs and would rather be ruled by Turks but people generally do not want to leave their families, their life, their culture to go to a foreign land whether they are willing to emigrate or not.

[Stefan_Dusan]

You can believe what you want but this is all well documented. Sure there might of been some that did not want to be ruled by Slavs and would rather be ruled by Turks but people generally do not want to leave their families, their life, their culture to go to a foreign land whether they are willing to emigrate or not.

Exactly my point, those people were Turks (in majority). Not Albanians. What do you think happened to the many Turks in Kosovo?

[Skerdilaid]

I won't respond to the uneducated villager here regarding the Kosova issue during Yugoslavia. So lets stick to the topic!


The Muslim Albanians that have the need to go to such sites, and even take Serb aid to expand their influence in our lands need to be shot like dogs! Wahhabi are all sponsored by Serb sources through Gypsies like Ramic and such, so they should be taken as Serbs and hunted down like there is no tomorrow, that is my opinion.

[Stefan_Dusan]

The Muslim Albanians that have the need to go to such sites, and even take Serb aid to expand their influence in our lands need to be shot like dogs! Wahhabi are all sponsored by Serb sources through Gypsies like Ramic and such, so they should be taken as Serbs and hunted down like there is no tomorrow, that is my opinion.

Ramic being slavic Muslim (or originally Slavic) can only feel kinship with Albanians if they're Muslim which is why he supports this. Not due to anything Serbian.

Small money given by random Serbs (if true) is nothing. If I go give money to Albanian Athiest website I'm sure some dumb Albanian would scream conspiracy there too xD

[iNird]

Exactly my point, those people were Turks (in majority). Not Albanians. What do you think happened to the many Turks in Kosovo?

Wtf i didn't make that point and the article clearly explains that the majority of these people aren't turks.

Let's take Kosova for example:

In 1948 there were 1,315 self declared Turks.

In 1953 there were 34,583 self declared Turks.

Why the huge jump? Well the article pretty much explains it. It was a mix of Turkification of these areas whether it be from state sponsored or people declaring to be Turks to move to Turkey. The majority of these people were Albanian in Kosova.

In Macedonia, the situation is similar on a larger scale.

In 1948 there were 95,940 Turks in Macedonia.

In 1953 there were 203,938 Turks in Macedonia.

Coincidentally the Albanian population fell from 197,389 in 1948 to 162,524 in 1953 while the Turkish population nearly doubled doubled.

[Stefan_Dusan]

In 1948 there were 1,315 self declared Turks.

Don't look at 1948, in 1921 there were nearly 30,000. Even more after the first Balkan War. Clearly many Turks began identifying as either Muslim or Albanian due to policies at the time.

[iNird]

Don't look at 1948, in 1921 there were nearly 30,000. Even more after the first Balkan War.

Well we are referring to the emigration in the 1950s and 1960s so the census in 1948 is most relevant and the change in demographics supports my stance. In addition, Yugoslav and Albanian relationships were considered "good" at this time so I think it is less prone to bias. After relationships deteriorated and Albania was not going to join Yugoslavia, and these Turkificaiton policies were enacted is where we can see the rise of self declared Turks.

[Stefan_Dusan]

Well we are referring to the emigration in the 1950s and 1960s so the census in 1948 is most relevant and the change in demographics supports my stance. In addition, Yugoslav and Albanian relationships were considered "good" at this time so I think it is less prone to bias. After relationships deteriorated and Albania was not going to join Yugoslavia, and these Turkificaiton policies were enacted is where we can see the rise of self declared Turks.

Why? If Turks are identifying as Albanians in 1948 and then favorable conditions immerge for them to identify as Turks, all of a sudden their number would magically increase. Turks were 10% of population in Kosovo at beginning of first Balkan War. Now they're 1%. If Turks were still 10% of Kosovo, there would be ~200,000 Turks in Kosovo today.

[Skerdilaid]

So why is Serbia that supposedly fought "Islamic Terrorists" in Kosova, and supposedly is the "beacon of Christianity" in the region funding Wahhabi, or Islamic sites?


The Kosova government does not do this, and in fact has expelled quite few people that have come to Kosova via Britan to form such groups.

[iNird]

Why? If Turks are identifying as Albanians in 1948 and then favorable conditions immerge for them to identify as Turks, all of a sudden their number would magically increase. Turks were 10% of population in Kosovo at beginning of first Balkan War. Now they're 1%. If Turks were still 10% of Kosovo, there would be ~200,000 Turks in Kosovo today.

TBH, I have not read so much about the 1921 census but I have read enough about the 1948 census and the census is even broken down my mother tongue and if my memory serves me right the results show a large portion of self declaring turks with a mother tongue as something other than Turkish which again proves the author's point which he even provides sources as well.

All you have provided is your thoughts and opinions.

[Stefan_Dusan]

TBH, I have not read so much about the 1921 census but I have read enough about the 1948 census and the census is even broken down my mother tongue and if my memory serves me right the results show a large portion of self declaring turks with a mother tongue as something other than Turkish which again proves the author's point which he even provides sources as well.

All you have provided is your thoughts and opinions.

You can go here for census of Turks up to 1921: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turks_in_Kosovo

Fact is, there was huge number of Turks in Kosovo who sometimes identify as Albanian, sometimes as Turk depending on political climate. You're trying to make this into bigger deal than it really was.

[Minesweeper]

So why is Serbia that supposedly fought "Islamic Terrorists" in Kosova, and supposedly is the "beacon of Christianity" in the region funding Wahhabi, or Islamic sites?


The Kosova government does not do this, and in fact has expelled quite few people that have come to Kosova via Britan to form such groups.

Can you prove that Serbia is involved in this? A name doesn't mean anything to me.

[Stefan_Dusan]

Can you prove that Serbia is involved in this? A name doesn't mean anything to me.

One man funds something and entire Serbia is now behind it xD

[Skerdilaid]

Can you prove that Serbia is involved in this? A name doesn't mean anything to me.

To me it does, and I am very familiar with how Serbs operated in this field even during the Yugo days. So to be blunt, I don't give a fuck what this means to you, or are you going to take it as a truth. So go be a Serb somewhere else, perhaps in the Bosnian section?

[The Illyrian Warrior]

So what your autonomy mean? You were run by communist Tito not Serbs.

Not even close since Serbs had exclusivity of ruling over Kosova in last 100 years (including Tito's period)...Tito wasn't just involved in Kosova, so majority of decision were left to Serbs due to the fact Kosova was consider as integral part of Serbia.

[Stefan_Dusan]

Not even close since Serbs had exclusivity of ruling over Kosova in last 100 years (including Tito's period)...Tito wasn't just involved in Kosova, so majority of decision were left to Serbs due to the fact Kosova was consider as integral part of Serbia according to Serbs.

Yup that's why Tito prevent 100,000 Serbs from returning and gave Kosovo autonomous status! He left it up to Serbs!

[Skerdilaid]

Yup that's why Tito prevent 100,000 Serbs from returning and gave Kosovo autonomous status! He left it up to Serbs!

They ones that did not return were in fact colonists mostly from Drenica, put this through your thick skull! And they did not return because there was fighting in Drenica up until 47, and in fact the region was never safe for Serbs, hence why they did not return. In other regions they all came back...and actually some of those Serbs colonists from Drenica came back but in different regions, in KosovaPolje for example.

[Stefan_Dusan]

They ones that did not return were in fact colonists mostly from Drenica, put this through your thick skull! And they did not return because there was fighting in Drenica up until 47, and in fact the region was never safe for Serbs, hence why they did not return. In other regions they all came back...and actually some of those Serbs colonists from Drenica came back but in different regions, in KosovaPolje for example.

All of them wanted to return but were literally refused by Tito. Put that through your dumb skull! Over 100,000 Serbs were not allowed to return!

[Minesweeper]

To me it does, and I am very familiar with how Serbs operated in this field even during the Yugo days. So to be blunt, I don't give a fuck what this means to you, or are you going to take it as a truth. So go be a Serb somewhere else, perhaps in the Bosnian section?



UDBA, still watching you. xD

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Yup that's why Tito prevent 100,000 Serbs from returning and gave Kosovo autonomous status! He left it up to Serbs!

Autonomy was a granted since wasn't any other option left especially with growing number of Albanians which made impossible to take another turn, even Serbs knew it so wasn't something like personal Titos decision rather more of unitary decision to stabilize founding of artificial Yugoslavian state.

[Skerdilaid]

UDBA, still watching you. xD

UDBA, can only suck my cock now daysxD

[Stefan_Dusan]

Autonomy was a granted since wasn't any other option left especially with growing number of Albanians which made impossible to take another turn, even Serbs knew it so wasn't something like personal Titos decision rather more of unitary decision to stabilize founding of artificial Yugoslavian state.

It was purely Tito decision as you could see when Serbs took control, they immediately abolished it. Tito did this to

1)weaken Serb power/nationalism (which he worried would break up Yugoslavia). Same reason Vojvodina was created, same reason Montenegro and Macedonia were their own republic
2)to facilitate Albania joining Yugoslavia (never happened because Yugoslavia split with Soviet Union)
3)ease tensions

[Skerdilaid]

All of them wanted to return but were literally refused by Tito. Put that through your dumb skull! Over 100,000 Serbs were not allowed to return!

Where were they going to return, to regions where Albanians waited with arms in their hand for them to return?;)

[The Illyrian Warrior]

All of them wanted to return but were literally refused by Tito. Put that through your dumb skull! Over 100,000 Serbs were not allowed to return!

How about to thousands more Albanians who were forcibly deported indirectly to Turkey with no chance of coming back?

[Stefan_Dusan]

Where were they going to return, to regions where Albanians waited with arms in their hand for them to return?;)

Yeah, they did fine in Drenica in the 20s. They would be even easier in the 40s.

[Skerdilaid]

Yeah, they did fine in Drenica in the 20s. They would be even easier in the 40s.

They did, but then payed for in the 40s:rolleyes: Remember in our regions nothing goes unpunished, and especially in Albanian lands.

[iNird]

Can you prove that Serbia is involved in this? A name doesn't mean anything to me.


Can you prove that Serbia is involved in this? A name doesn't mean anything to me.

Well the article claims the Serbian government is financing such operations and I wouldn't be surprised if they were. What does it cost to run and create a website? Or even a message board? It's probably very cheap and it would be a good investment on their part.

Americans for example are known to create fake personas on message boards and imitate Islamic extremist on chatrooms.

In the end, the dumb ones are the Albanians because they voluntarily join these sites.

[Stefan_Dusan]

They did, but then payed for in the 40s:rolleyes: Remember in our regions nothing goes unpunished, and especially in Albanian lands.

And they were ready and eager to exact revenge, now that Germans were gone ;)

[Skerdilaid]

And they were ready and eager to exact revenge, now that Germans were gone ;)

The main objective was not let them return, so they achieved that and not to forget they go their revenge.

[Stefan_Dusan]

The main objective was not let them return, so they achieved that and not to forget they go their revenge.

That was Tito who didn't let them return. You guys had nothing to do with it. Anyways many of these people got their revenge in recent war. Not them but their kids. You're right, revenge will keep coming back and forth between us, back and forth, there will never be peace. As Njegosh said, our destinies is to fight until one exterminates the other.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

That was Tito who didn't let them return. You guys had nothing to do with it. Anyways many of these people got their revenge in recent war. Not them but their kids. You're right, revenge will keep coming back and forth between us, back and forth, there will never be peace. As Njegosh said, our destinies is to fight until one exterminates the other.

We already know that, but don't be surprised when you gonna find yourself in uncomfortable position therefore revenge gonna be taken for what Serbs did to Albanians through 100 years time span.

[Stefan_Dusan]

We already know that, but don't be surprised when you gonna find yourself in uncomfortable position therefore revenge gonna be taken for what Serbs did to Albanians through 100 years time span.

The Serb nation has withstood the fury of much stronger enemies (Nazi Germany, Austria-Hungary, Ottoman Empire) we can withstand Albanian fury.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

The Serb nation has withstood the fury of much stronger enemies (Nazi Germany, Austria-Hungary, Ottoman Empire) we can withstand Albanian fury.

You just told a pure jokes since those empires were superpower in their period of time, something which Serbs wouldn't stand a chance if Russia wasn't involved plus you weren't even a serious threat to 'em, for instance Ottoman Empire alone got you by balls for almost half millennia.

[Stefan_Dusan]

You just told a pure jokes since those empires were superpower in their period of time, something which Serbs wouldn't stand a chance if Russia wasn't involved plus you weren't even a serious threat to 'em, for instance Ottoman Empire alone got you by balls for almost half millennia.

Ottoman Empire had Albanians by the balls for 500 years. Depending on the region of where Serbs lived, it was between 100-500 years of life under Ottoman. Those who lived 500 years were because they lived with Albanians or Macedonians. But anyways we were first to start the uprising that brought down Ottomans.

And Hitler tried his best, when there was no Russia to assist Serbia. And we live and breathe.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Ottoman Empire had Albanians by the balls for 500 years. Depending on the region of where Serbs lived, it was between 100-500 years of life under Ottoman. Those who lived 500 years were because they lived with Albanians or Macedonians. But anyways we were first to start the uprising that brought down Ottomans.

And Hitler tried his best, when there was no Russia to assist Serbia. And we live and breathe.

If you're referring to Kosova Battle of 1389 the battle itself was made up with all Balkans nations (or Tribes) united against Ottoman Turks which resulted with a loss in the end, it was last known battle where Balkanites stood united against a foreign enemy but after the battle Serbs gone in whore mode by betraying Albanians or even other Balkan nations from further rebellion we had.

[Stefan_Dusan]

If you're referring to Kosova Battle of 1389 the battle itself was made up with all Balkans nations (or Tribes) united against Ottoman Turks which resulted with a loss in the end, it was last known battle where Balkanites stood united against a foreign enemy but after the battle Serbs gone in whore mode by betraying Albanians or even other Balkan nations from further rebellion we had.

No I'm referring to Serbian uprising of 1804 which was beginning of the end for Ottoman Empire in Europe. We were the first people to rise up.

Kosovo battle was mostly Serbian but that's besides the point.

Albanians were first to betray Serbs, during Ottoman times, the people who converted to Islam (majority Albanians) became middle men for Turkish government. You went to our villages trying to get taxes, trying to disarm christian population, etc etc whereas as Muslims you were excempt for all of this. When rebellion broke in Christian village you put it down fiercely with Ottoman soldiers and punished the village as collective. This is where the blood debt started, your role in Ottomans. After this it's just cycle, unfortunately unstoppable. We have to avenge. You have to avenge. No end.

[Yaroslav]

Now here's a country that needs a Maidan.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

No I'm referring to Serbian uprising of 1804 which was beginning of the end for Ottoman Empire in Europe. We were the first people to rise up.

Kosovo battle was mostly Serbian but that's besides the point.

Albanians were first to betray Serbs, during Ottoman times, the people who converted to Islam (majority Albanians) became middle men for Turkish government. You went to our villages trying to get taxes, trying to disarm christian population, etc etc whereas as Muslims you were excempt for all of this. When rebellion broke in Christian village you put it down fiercely with Ottoman soldiers and punished the village as collective. This is where the blood debt started, your role in Ottomans. After this it's just cycle, unfortunately unstoppable. We have to avenge. You have to avenge. No end.

This doesn't prove anything since Serbs did convert en masse to Islam therefore comes Bosniak identity also we have many un/recorded cases where many local serbs were absorbed into broad Albanian population who happens to be Muslim, also we have large number who went in Turkey in times of Ottoman Empire period thus became assimilated there too..So ain't so black and white cause you used Ottoman Empire at fullest to gain favors while leaving others in mud for your very own interests, this was betrayal at its best whether on war field or out of it.

[Kalimtari]

No I'm referring to Serbian uprising of 1804 which was beginning of the end for Ottoman Empire in Europe. We were the first people to rise up.

Kosovo battle was mostly Serbian but that's besides the point.

Albanians were first to betray Serbs, during Ottoman times, the people who converted to Islam (majority Albanians) became middle men for Turkish government. You went to our villages trying to get taxes, trying to disarm christian population, etc etc whereas as Muslims you were excempt for all of this. When rebellion broke in Christian village you put it down fiercely with Ottoman soldiers and punished the village as collective. This is where the blood debt started, your role in Ottomans. After this it's just cycle, unfortunately unstoppable. We have to avenge. You have to avenge. No end.

Initially fighting to restore their local privileges within the Ottoman system (until 1807), the revolutionaries – supported by the wealthy Serbian community from southern Austrian Empire (present-day Vojvodina) and Serb officers from Austrian Military Frontier – offered themselves to be placed under the protection of Habsburg-, Russian- and French Empires respectively, entering, as a new political factor, into the converging aspirations of the Great Powers during the Napoleonic wars in Europe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_Revolution

there were Albanian warlords who fought against Ottomans alongside Serbs and Bosnians.