Are Humans devolving physically?

[Linebacker]

We talk and speculate alot about that with friends.

How the modern man is becoming more and more spoiled by technology and having everything ready at the double.

Our ancestors were hundreds of times more strong,weather resistant and enduring than we are.They could run for miles chasing their prey and hunting naked with no shoes or clothing.

Even people like me,who are relatively fit and in top condition are still spoiled,because I don't have to wake up in the morning and run 20 miles to chase a deer than I have to skin and gut myself then make a fire out of nothing so I can eat.I think about that sometimes and it makes me really uneasy about the physical future of the common man.

Obesity is becoming a world-wide problem.Fast food is the number one choice for the 21st century man.Kids sit on their asses and play video games instead of being out and riding bikes and playing football or all the things WE did when WE were kids.The gyms,swimming pools,play fields,parks are becoming ghost towns.Everyone has their nose stuck in their phone or their laptop or the TV.

Am I the only one that sees a problem in that?

[Furnace]

Call it evolving or devolving, the body tries adapt itself to its outer influence, but this process takes far more time than just one generation. So the answer to the question is: "Not yet!".

(Devolving/evolving is usually refered to as changes in your genetic code.)

[portusaus]

Of course, it's called dysgenics. This trend will kill civilization if it is not stopped.

[Hadouken]

100%

[Tacitus]

Well we (as a species) aren't heading down the right path, that's for sure.

[Linebacker]

Our primate siblings show how strong our caveman ancestors were.

Chimps are 4 times stronger than a college football(rugby) player.They may look all fury and harmless but they can bend you in half if they feel like it.

Not to mention Silverback Gorillas.Their strength has never been measured because they are hard to pacify but it is calculated they have the strength of 20 men.

And the most amazing part is this guy here doesn't need to lift a single weight to be that strong.That is superior genetics.
http://70sbig.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/gorilla.jpg

[Styrian Mujo]

That is how it's supposed to be along with mixing of superior and inferior populations and than when it all crashes down be sure we will run after deer again:)

[Rædwald]

Humans evolved to as hunter-gatherers to be able to store fat very easily. We are simply not nearly as active as our ancestral counterparts, and it's almost impossible to maintain the level of activity that our ancestors once did. Mostly this is because of our modern lifestyles, and the fact that modern diet is terrible and most people can't afford the most basic types of food we're supposed to be eating.

tl;dr I don't think humans are devolving as such as our current lives are limiting us from our true potential. I mean we used to be bad-ass just read about pursuit predation if you don't believe it!

[dude]

We are evolving. We are weaker. This is seem from the remains from Homo-erectus to Homo-sapiens. As we humans learned to do things with less effort the physical strength decreased. I guess at the end, being strong was beaten by intelligence in the eyes of females, the leaders of human evolution. But then again, it is not hard to see if it you put some thought. A woman wants to have kids with a man who will stick around and will protect them. So who will be more likely to protect in the long run. A hard headed who will be reckless and be killed by forces way stronger than human or someone who will be smart to find food, shelter and create devices for protection or hunting.
The answers is easy. In the scope of life a little bit more physical strength is nothing. It is nice to have but that's all. The fact you actually value "brute" force to call it devolving makes me wonder about your thought process.

[Armando Esteban Quito]

It's irrelevant since we are not living as hunter-gatherers anymore. for every regression that is made in physical devolution, we are taking two steps forward in mental evolution & progress (or at least that is what I'd like to believe). So yes you are right about it, but it wouldn't make sense for us to chase a deer for 20 miles when we have a meat supply readily available to us at the local grocery store. It also wouldn't make sense for a man to lift 5k lbs when we have the capability to create machines to do it for us. This is also why sport stars are paid handsomely because they possess some of those primitive talents that the average person does not have and therefore serve as a form of entertainment.

[armenianbodyhair]

Call it evolving or devolving, the body tries adapt itself to its outer influence, but this process takes far more time than just one generation. So the answer to the question is: "Not yet!".

(Devolving/evolving is usually refered to as changes in your genetic code.)
This is the correct answer and should have been the end of the thread.

[Tacitus]

The point is that humans aren't as strong as we used to be because so many of us live a sedentary lifestyle. We still have the genes to be physically strong but have opted instead to sitting in front of a computer all day (hypocritical I know since we're talking about this on an internet forum) eating crappy, overly-processed food. Weaker bodies physically tend to lead to weaker mental and emotional states as well, especially if you eat junk food all the time. Each generation will get weaker physically and mentally so long as people keep on the way they do. Am I advocating going back to living in caves and hunting for food all the time? No, but getting outside more often, eating real food, and weightlifting will do your body wonders.

Mens sana in corpore sano, as they say.

[King Oskar]

I agree with Cppman.. DC, why do you believe that man must eternally endure the same harsh unforgiving conditions that our ancestors did? Isn't the purpose of the struggling to overcome it?

If the ancestors of mankind were alive to see how good they could have it, I seriously doubt that they would want to go back to those struggles that they'd fought so hard to overcome.

I'm more of the belief that we should try to keep in as great a shape as possible, but not necessarily DESIRE real harsh conditions and survival scenarios. It's counter-intuitive to our instincts FOR survival. We should be prepared, but cautious and avoidant of conflict.

I also don't believe that men back in the day were x10 stronger. I believe it's all relative. They were probably generally all in better shape due to being forced to be, but I don't think they'd make us look infantile. I doubt that they had body builder's bodies, they were probably quite "stringy" but strong and nimble.

[Trun]

The average human back then had 3 times shorter life expectancy. Even a flu could kill you back then, not mentioning the enraged cave bears and hungry wolves and lions.

Be happy you have civilization guys.

[Neanderthal]

We are evolving. We are weaker. This is seem from the remains from Homo-erectus to Homo-sapiens. As we humans learned to do things with less effort the physical strength decreased. I guess at the end, being strong was beaten by intelligence in the eyes of females, the leaders of human evolution. But then again, it is not hard to see if it you put some thought. A woman wants to have kids with a man who will stick around and will protect them. So who will be more likely to protect in the long run. A hard headed who will be reckless and be killed by forces way stronger than human or someone who will be smart to find food, shelter and create devices for protection or hunting.
The answers is easy. In the scope of life a little bit more physical strength is nothing. It is nice to have but that's all. The fact you actually value "brute" force to call it devolving makes me wonder about your thought process.

This is not true in all cases. Neanderthal was smarter and stronger and he didn't make it. Probably he had some other type of disadvantage, or probably not, but the reason of his extinction wasn't being less intelligent or weaker than Homo Sapiens.

[Neanderthal]

The average human back then had 3 times shorter life expectancy. Even a flu could kill you back then, not mentioning the enraged cave bears and hungry wolves and lions.

Be happy you have civilization guys.

I'm not. The harsher, the better. We are overpopulated, we could use some retards eaten by lions here and there. Even if I get to die that'd be ok, would mean I wasn't fit to pass my genes to the next generation.

[Linebacker]

I agree with Cppman.. 1.DC, why do you believe that man must eternally endure the same harsh unforgiving conditions that our ancestors did? Isn't the purpose of the struggling to overcome it?

2.If the ancestors of mankind were alive to see how good they could have it, I seriously doubt that they would want to go back to those struggles that they'd fought so hard to overcome.

I'm more of the belief that we should try to keep in as great a shape as possible, but not necessarily DESIRE real harsh conditions and survival scenarios. It's counter-intuitive to our instincts FOR survival. We should be prepared, but cautious and avoidant of conflict.

3.I also don't believe that men back in the day were x10 stronger. I believe it's all relative. They were probably generally all in better shape due to being forced to be, but I don't think they'd make us look infantile. I doubt that they had body builder's bodies, they were probably quite "stringy" but strong and nimble.

1.Because that shapes the character of a man,and makes him strong and able mentally.Something a lot of people today don't have because they don't struggle in their lives and don't live them with passion and purpose.

2.No I think they would most probably be scared to death because they would not have the mental capacity to understand this world.

3.They were.They didn't have ripped fitness model bodies ofc but they were burly and very strong.

[Hexachordia]

Bottomline is humanity is 100% sure not evolving. To resist devolution itself will push human consciousness to unimaginable highness.

[Armando Esteban Quito]

1.Because that shapes the character of a man,and makes him strong and able mentally.Something a lot of people today don't have because they don't struggle in their lives and don't live them with passion and purpose.

2.No I think they would most probably be scared to death because they would not have the mental capacity to understand this world.

3.They were.They didn't have ripped fitness model bodies ofc but they were burly and very strong.

What's the point of forging these type of outdated capabilities when anyone can take technology (e.g.: modernized assault weapons) and neutralize you in a fraction of a second. Outside of the entertainment industry, they have no practical use in today's world and your signature is a great example of that.


Can't argue with that.

[Kale]

The strength discrepancy between man and ape is not about pure muscular force, but how we use it. Apes use all of their muscle fibers all the time, leading to incredible strength. Humans use only a small fraction of our muscle fibers at any given time, resulting in excellent coordination. When we are under severe stress though, we chimp out. Never heard of someone being crushed by a car or a boulder or something and they somehow have the strength to lift it off?

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Humans are much less robust.

[RussiaPrussia]

and of course you only talk about men, because for women you dont mind for sure


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[Prisoner Of Ice]

I'm not. The harsher, the better. We are overpopulated, we could use some retards eaten by lions here and there. Even if I get to die that'd be ok, would mean I wasn't fit to pass my genes to the next generation.

Exactly. Also it's kind of BS because life expectancies were long for people who had good genetics. And life was a lot less slave-like. You work for yourself and that's it.

We don't have to go back to HG times but we have gone way too far in other direction. People are not rats.

[SobieskisavedEurope]

Higher physical activity demands more energy & mass.

More energy for the body = less energy for the brain.

More mass for the body = Lower ratio of mass to brain mass = less intelligence capability.

People with myopia (nearsightedness) score a higher IQ but yet have less coordination for physical activity.

So it does seem that our evolution is evolving towards less physically able.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Higher physical activity demands more energy & mass.

More energy for the body = less energy for the brain.

More mass for the body = Lower ratio of mass to brain mass = less intelligence capability.

People with myopia (nearsightedness) score a higher IQ but yet have less coordination for physical activity.

So it does seem that our evolution is evolving towards less physically able.

Brain mass and body mass go hand in hand. Brains have shrunk since HG times.

[Steve-O]

Lol, humans are devolving both physically and mentally.

[SobieskisavedEurope]

Brain mass and body mass go hand in hand. Brains have shrunk since HG times.

There is a correlation in intelligence between the ratio of body mass & brain mass.

That is why dolphins are smarter than whales.

[SobieskisavedEurope]

Lol, humans are devolving both physically and mentally.

Hispanics lead us on this dysgenic path!

[Steve-O]

Hispanics lead us on this dysgenic path!

LOL

[Awebo]

Lol, humans are devolving both physically and mentally.
That's right. We'll all eventually become Dominicans at one point.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

There is a correlation in intelligence between the ratio of body mass & brain mass.

That is why dolphins are smarter than whales.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?122139-Neanderthals-reached-maturity-later-than-people-today-therefore-they-were-more-complex-organisms

Neanderthals were more encephalized than modern humans.

[Armando Esteban Quito]

That's right. We'll all eventually become Dominicans at one point.

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[SobieskisavedEurope]

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?122139-Neanderthals-reached-maturity-later-than-people-today-therefore-they-were-more-complex-organisms

Neanderthals were more encephalized than modern humans.

Neanderthals & Cro Magnons both certainly had more body mass & brain mass than modern humans.

[Linebacker]

and of course you only talk about men, because for women you dont mind for sure


Because women haven't really changed that much since then.They didn't had any purpose other than breeding then.Not much different today.There are however women who make their own in life and have success from their own effort which I respect endlessly,but most are just living off the man they are with until they die.

I don't have any respect for leeches.Because I am from a wealthy family I seem to attract a lot of them.

[Mazik]

An interesting thing is the relatively new word we know as "overtraining". A word that was unknown 2 generations ago, today "fitness experts" tell you not to work out that specific muscle group more than once a week. A farmer of the 19th century wouldn't say "nah, I won't lift these hayballs today, I can overtrain my shoulder :) ".

An ancestor of mine was a known tar creator in his village. Every day he used to fill two cans with 80 kg of tar. And then he walked with them to a village 9 kilometres away, one under each arm. Probably not a single comment came from him that consisted the word "overtraining" :nod: 99% of these self-proclaimed fitness experts today wouldn't be able to repeat his daily routine.

[Linebacker]

I think you got the wrong thread Mazik.I know I generally only talk about fitness but this is not about fitness.

[Damião de Góis]

Humans have no need to be physically strong in order to survive, so yes you're right. Blame it on the invention of sophisticated weapons.

[Peyrol]

. for every regression that is made in physical devolution, we are taking two steps forward in mental evolution & progress (or at least that is what I'd like to believe). .


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[Vulcho]

What about the various sports? Some people are pushing themselves to the very limit (not just what they need to survive as in the past) and you can become very successful by just being physically fit. However I'm not sure they are a significant enough portion of the general population.

[Linebacker]

What about the various sports? Some people are pushing themselves to the very limit (not just what they need to survive as in the past) and you can become very successful by just being physically fit. However I'm not sure they are a significant enough portion of the general population.

That was my point.There are amazing athletes walking the planet but still a minority.

Most people are physical failures that poison themselves with junk food alcohol and cigarettes.

[Cleitus]

Yes Humanity becomes totally degenerated in every sense, Physically, Culturally and Mentally. The lowest Genes of Subhumans are spreading everywhere and there is no escape from this plague.

[Linebacker]

Yes Humanity becomes totally degenerated in every sense, Physically, Culturally and Mentally. The lowest Genes of Subhumans are spreading everywhere and there is no escape from this plague.

We have a choice.If you don't want your children to be subhuman weaklings you have to be healthy and work hard on yourself to give them good genetics,because you're the one responsible for their future.

Thats all we can do so far.

[Cleitus]

Haha i misunderstood your post.

[Equilibrium]

xD

[McCauley]

The strength discrepancy between man and ape is not about pure muscular force, but how we use it. Apes use all of their muscle fibers all the time, leading to incredible strength. Humans use only a small fraction of our muscle fibers at any given time, resulting in excellent coordination. When we are under severe stress though, we chimp out. Never heard of someone being crushed by a car or a boulder or something and they somehow have the strength to lift it off?

This is right, I don't know if you've heard of "retard strength" ( :picard2: ), but you will see people with down syndrome capable of picking guys up and throwing them across a room, because they just don't have the inhibitions that prevent normal people from "going all out".

We still have the capability to do things like that, when the adrenaline hits. Just like a mother can literally lift a car if it's crushing her child.

[Mazik]

I take my bike everywhere I go, that's good every day training imo. I live 20 KM away from my work and obviously take my bike there :) Just like the old generations would do. Taking the car/bus is for weaklings :nod: I'm thinking of buying a boat and row all the way to the work, since I live just by the sea during the summer, and it would be a shorter distance (about 5-6 KM).

[Cleitus]

We have a choice.If you don't want your children to be subhuman weaklings you have to be healthy and work hard on yourself to give them good genetics,because you're the one responsible for their future.

Thats all we can do so far.
The Best have to be the Lords of the Earth, otherwise theyre existence is unnecessary.

[Linebacker]

Haha i misunderstood your post.

What you think I was going to insult you?The fact that we have fought in the future doesn't mean I'll hate you forever.I don't carry any chip on my shoulder.

Im glad you work out and I respect that because majority of people don't even lift.

You just need to realize you have a lot more work to do.

[Linebacker]

I take my bike everywhere I go, that's good every day training imo. I live 20 KM away from my work and obviously take my bike there :) Just like the old generations would do. Taking the car/bus is for weaklings :nod: I'm thinking of buying a boat and row all the way to the work, since I live just by the sea during the summer, and it would be a shorter distance (about 5-6 KM).

That's great I go biking too but in the mountains.Here in my area there are great mountains,with inclines and declines,and they make great bike time.

Great for cardiovascularity.

[Fortis in Arduis]

We have a choice.If you don't want your children to be subhuman weaklings you have to be healthy and work hard on yourself to give them good genetics,because you're the one responsible for their future.

Thats all we can do so far.

Lamarckian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamarckism) eugenics has social value and it has inspired physical culture movements, such as Ashtanga Vinyasa Yoga and bodybuilding, however, whilst it might be good for society, and certainly healthier parents produce healthier offspring, only eugenic social policies will bring the shift required. Lamarckism gave rise to the anti-geneticist Lysenkoism, which has been widely discredited now.

At best, one can work on eating super-healthily and having your children young so that they are less likely to be borne of defective gametes. Apart from that, it is the luck of the draw, unless you want to start playing with DNA in vitro.

There is some suggestion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamarckism#Epigenetic_inheritance) that lifestyle can affect the genetics that are inherited, but, it is a smaller part of the overall picture.

[Linebacker]

Lamarckian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamarckism) eugenics has social value and it has inspired physical culture movements, such as Ashtanga Vinyasa Yoga and bodybuilding, however, whilst it might be good for society, and certainly healthier parents produce healthier offspring, only eugenic social policies will bring the shift required. Lamarckism gave rise to the anti-geneticist Lysenkoism, which has been widely discredited now.

At best, one can work on eating super-healthily and having your children young so that they are less likely to be borne of defective gametes. Apart from that, it is the luck of the draw, unless you want to start playing with DNA in vitro.

There is some suggestion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamarckism#Epigenetic_inheritance) that lifestyle can affect the genetics that are inherited, but, it is a smaller part of the overall picture.

If Eugenics are promoting fitness activities that is great,apparently they have brains after all,because nothing makes a person more superhuman than a ripped athletic physique

[Fortis in Arduis]

If Eugenics are promoting fitness activities that is great,apparently they have brains after all,because nothing makes a person more superhuman than a ripped athletic physique

What do you suppose the physical culture movements of the 20th Century were? In the UK, we had the Women's League of Health and Beauty, Nazi Germany: no explanation required. Modern transnational anglophone yoga was influenced by bodybuilding, and the Danish and Swedish gymnastics of Niels and Ling respectively, and was a covert nationalist man-building project that certainly helped to throw of the yoke of the British. Few people know this.

My point is that any amount of positive physical culture is never going make more of an impact than eugenic social policies, such as encouraging middle and upper class mothers to have more children. This becomes Malthusian, but now we have a situation where families are encouraged to have, or are not discouraged from having, children that they cannot naturally afford to support, because they receive state benefits for this, and the more able members of society are even choosing to be childless so to enjoy more selfishly the lifestyle that they have worked hard for.

Addressing that problem will do more positive long-term good than some sort of Lamarckian programme, although I think that there is value in both that, and making genetical eugenics available to all, to help parents have the healthiest children that they can. We already do this in animal and plant breeding, so why not...

You can probably see where I am going with this.

[Linebacker]

Well everything has its bright side of course,because with less athletic big people,we ourselves have less competition and dominate more,as one of my friends responded to my theory:

He said what do you care other people don't work out,more chicks for us,and little guys for us to push around right?

I guess in a way he is right,but that is the selfish side of thinking.I am more the coach type,and want to introduce more people to fitness culture and athletics,as I have tried and still try on this forum.

[Anglojew]

I can't work out if Spaniards traded up or down she then intermarried with natives and created the mestizo race?

[HERK]

This is the dark side of the civilisation, peoples are so busy with their economic problems and they forget completly about their physical well-being but the worse part is when peoples start complaining when they get diseases even though they have not made a push-up for years.

The body is almost like the water, if it moves it is drinkable. :P

[Melina]

I can't work out if Spaniards traded up or down she then intermarried with natives and created the mestizo race?

If there is one think that I will always hate is the fact Spaniards procreated with natives. Just look at latin American countries and there you see the evidence of race mixing.

[I've Her Son]

Ancient humans were not hundreds of times stronger than modern humans, and ancient hunting did not involve running 20 miles and chasing deer. The earliest hunting weapons are found in Europe at Schoeningen in Germany, 400,000 years old, a set of fire-hardened wooden spears which were thrust or thrown by hand. They would be used in conjunction with a pound, which implies that poundmaking was commonplace at this time. Animals would simply be driven in to the pound by the herd and then slaughtered en masse; there was little or no physical exertion involved and this method produced several dead animals. Oldest projectile technology is the atlatl and bow and arrow associated with Neanderthals at OIS 5 in eastern France, used in conjunction with the pound and tree stands. Natural traps were also used.

All skeletons in the period of 25,000-90 years ago are more gracile than modern people and it is indicated they had less strength than modern industrial people. Neanderthals however were 25-50% stronger than today's people and had more natural muscle mass.

Modern dietary habits have injured modern people's teeth. The use of the fork has caused humans to develop an overbite; ancient people had dental attrition that resembled extreme bruxism, they closed their bite with an edge-to-edge occlusion, because they did not use forks. This caused their mandibles to length to increase and their palate to widen, meaning their teeth came in straight and without impaction.

Human faces have become shorter, smaller and more deformed looking since the times of Neanderthal man and the early Perigordians. Teeth and jaws have also shifted inwards, behind the forehead, causing the appearance of having been kicked in the mouth by a horse, and causing the aforementioned dental problems.

[Linebacker]

Melonhead needs to return to this forum to give me some hope in the robustness of humanity.

He'll quickly crush some gracile skulls and make me feel better. :D

[I've Her Son]

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[Fortis in Arduis]

Well everything has its bright side of course,because with less athletic big people,we ourselves have less competition and dominate more,as one of my friends responded to my theory:

He said what do you care other people don't work out,more chicks for us,and little guys for us to push around right?

I guess in a way he is right,but that is the selfish side of thinking.I am more the coach type,and want to introduce more people to fitness culture and athletics,as I have tried and still try on this forum.

Self-development is a dry and lonely pursuit unless the knowledge can be imparted to others, and I am not sure that it can be otherwise sustained. After a point, the knowledge begs to be shared, and teaching others health and fitness is a learning process in itself. Teachers can learn a lot from their students. When students start coming to you, asking to be taught, you know that both you, and they, are ready.

On dysgenic trends:

We have what some call the "PlayStation Generation", the people who have grown up engrossed with electronic entertainment, and many are very unfit as a result. I do not believe that it will last, because it will be clear that this is leading people towards ill-health. The successful people will always be those who put their health first.

[Valais]

Dysgenics is a dangerous thread to engulf humanity in mediocrity ! We eat processed foods, unhealthy chemicals and other fake ingredients poured in, that has effected our energy levels and state of mind.

[Linebacker]

Self-development is a dry and lonely pursuit unless the knowledge can be imparted to others, and I am not sure that it can be otherwise sustained. After a point, the knowledge begs to be shared, and teaching others health and fitness is a learning process in itself. Teachers can learn a lot from their students. When students start coming to you, asking to be taught, you know that both you, and they, are ready.

On dysgenic trends:

We have what some call the "PlayStation Generation", the people who have grown up engrossed with electronic entertainment, and many are very unfit as a result. I do not believe that it will last, because it will be clear that this is leading people towards ill-health. The successful people will always be those who put their health first.

Hope you turn out to be right in the long run.

The solution for physical degeneration is so simple it can take your eyes out.

Just go lift heavy,run long,fuck hard and you will be physically untouchable.

[Minesweeper]

You can't say we devolve because chasing deers is primitive behavior. I mean, why should we chase them if we can shoot them?

When it comes to physical strength, we are stronger now, bigger, more intelligent. I do agree we became ''silky'' though. Rain, wind, snow, everything annoys us.

[Linebacker]

[FONT=Century Gothic]You can't say we devolve because chasing deers is primitive behavior. I mean, why should we chase them if we can shoot them?

Im one who actually says its much more pprimitive to shoot a deer than chace it and kill it with bare hands or a knife considering the amount of skill and effort required to do it.

It's more primitive and practical to just shoot it and jobs done.

[Minesweeper]

Im one who actually says its much more pprimitive to shoot a deer than chace it and kill it with bare hands or a knife considering the amount of skill and effort required to do it.

It's more primitive and practical to just shoot it and jobs done.

That would depend on the definition of primitive. You obviously have your own, eccentric one. Common one tells us that if you use your physical strength, endurance, agility, etc. to achieve something that can be achieved in a much simpler way, it's primitive. Btw, primitiveness doesn't have to bear negative connotations.

[Linebacker]

That would depend on the definition of primitive. You obviously have your own, eccentric one. Common one tells us that if you use your physical strength, endurance, agility, etc. to achieve something that can be achieved in a much simpler way, it's primitive. Btw, primitiveness doesn't have to bear negative connotations.

Yea the basic difference is you like to do things the simple way and I like to put effort in then.

[Minesweeper]

Yea the basic difference is you like to do things the simple way and I like to put effort in then.

Not really, I am actually happy that we as humans have the means to do everything simple way. Gives the feeling of safety if nothing else. Personally, I like do some things the old way. I prefer fishing over buying fish, for example.

[Paluga]

I don't know why you portray people who live with the nature as some strong ''alpha'' males. When you look at the pictures of people from hunter gatherer societys they always look very skinny . Every professional Boxer could knock any of them out in less than a few seconds. And for me there is nothing more unnaturally than building muscles and doing pain to your body. When I'm honest I hate the whole bodybuilding scene. And at the end of the day you will die somewhen and your body is meaningless.

Do you know what is the best thing for humans to be fit ? Just walking/hiking a lot of kilometers every day, that is enough for us. And sometimes I go swimming or ride with my mountainbike. Running is unnatural.

[Linebacker]

I don't know why you portray people who live with the nature as some strong ''alpha'' males. When you look at the pictures of people from hunter gatherer societys they always look very skinny . Every professional Boxer could knock any of them out in less than a few seconds. And for me there is nothing more unnaturally than

TOO MUCH BULLSHIT CUT

It's quite apparent the only excercises you ever do is stretching the truth and jumping to conclusions.

Heavyweight lifting and long distance running is the best thing that can happen to the human endoskeleton.Thats why bodybuilding is worshiped worldwide,because people start to look like Titans and they become as healthy too.

You are free to do your softcore lady exercises but please stay out of mine and don't comment them.

[Linebacker]

It seems like physical devolution is not the only thing going on.

Scientists Discover Proof That Humanity Is Getting Dumber, Smaller And Weaker

‘Even our most highly trained athletes pale in comparison to these ancestors of ours,’ Dr Colin Shaw told Outside Magazine. ‘We’re certainly weaker than we used to be.’


Are humans becoming smarter or more stupid? Comparing our modern lives and technology with that of any preceding generation, one might think we are becoming increasingly smarter. But, in two papers published in Trends in Genetics, Gerald R. Crabtree of Stanford University claims that we are losing mental capacity and have been doing so for 2,000–6,000 years! The reason, Crabtree concludes, is due to genetic mutations—which are the backbone of neo-Darwinian evolution.

Based on data produced by the 1000 Genomes Project Consortium and two recent papers in Nature, Crabtree estimates in the first article that, in the past 3,000 years (approximately 120 generations), about 5,000 new mutations have occurred in the genes governing our intellectual ability. He claims most of these mutations will have no effect, while about 2–5 percent are deleterious and “a vanishingly small fraction will increase fitness.” Crabtree bases his conclusion that humankind is losing mental capacity on the ratio between the deleterious and the beneficial mutations.

[Ctwentysevenj]

With all those migrants coming into Europe, they will eventually displace ethnic Europeans. All these new or future Europeans will have monobrows.

[Anglojew]

Our primate siblings show how strong our caveman ancestors were.

Chimps are 4 times stronger than a college football(rugby) player.They may look all fury and harmless but they can bend you in half if they feel like it.

Not to mention Silverback Gorillas.Their strength has never been measured because they are hard to pacify but it is calculated they have the strength of 20 men.

And the most amazing part is this guy here doesn't need to lift a single weight to be that strong.That is superior genetics.
http://70sbig.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/gorilla.jpg

That would be the ultimate cage fight. Gorilla Vs Man

[Linebacker]

That would be the ultimate cage fight. Gorilla Vs Man

I don't think there is even going to be a fight.In a fight against a gorilla a man has a life expectancy anywhere between 3 and 5 seconds.

[Brianna]

I don't think that our species is literally devolving. I think that there are more physically unfit people due to lifestyle changes. We don't have to exercise as much as we did in the past. Many people have horrid diets. Technology also makes things much easier for couch potatoes. The good thing is that "devolved people" could become "evolved people" if they changed their lifestyles. Their changes would be dependent on their genes, of course.

Some of my clients are smaller and weaker than average females their age. I sometimes carry things or open jars for them. They aren't prepubescent girls or elderly ladies, either. They're in their late teens to mid twenties. I wouldn't call them devolved (LOL), but I would call them wimps. None of them have the genetic potential to become Olympic weightlifters, but they could improve their fitness. My main concern is that they're at risk for osteoporosis or osteopenia because they don't do enough resistance exercises.

I also don't buy the old cliche about all brawn and no brain. In my experience, which admittedly is anecdotal, athletic girls had/have higher GPAs. My guess is that some studies even "prove" this. For the most part, "dumb jocks" belong in outdated cartoons and comic books. At least, that's how it is for females of varying ages. You can find examples in Ivy League athletes and sports teams. IMO, there are both genetic and environmental factors behind this. I don't think that the genetic component is anything brand new, though.

[Linebacker]

Lifestyle is the reason,but devolution is a fact.

Ever seen one of those human anatomy diagrams at the docs office?They are always muscular and strong looking,because those diagrams are supposed to represent the human anatomy the way its SUPPOSED to be.Our caveman ancestors were muscular and endurant without lifting any weights,their bones show it,the question is why aren't we born muscular? - Answer is OP.

https://lanternhollow.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/muscles_human_body_front1.jpg

This is whats considered an average male in some countries nowadays:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/61/16/8d/61168dbf5844afc71e011b879055ad0f.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/68/11/04/68110468cfbec9097acd1097a0e450e9.jpg

Looks like tapeworm patients.

[pelikarski]

The average human back then had 3 times shorter life expectancy. Even a flu could kill you back then, not mentioning the enraged cave bears and hungry wolves and lions.

Be happy you have civilization guys.

Still the youth 100 years ago had less problems than youth today. Physical inactivity - comes with technology advancing.
Even looking at old pictures of Brannik, they all seem fit, and looking and many teens today its pathethic with their PC frames

[Deneb]

Lifestyle is the reason,but devolution is a fact.

Ever seen one of those human anatomy diagrams at the docs office?They are always muscular and strong looking,because those diagrams are supposed to represent the human anatomy the way its SUPPOSED to be.Our caveman ancestors were muscular and endurant without lifting any weights,their bones show it,the question is why aren't we born muscular? - Answer is OP.

https://lanternhollow.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/muscles_human_body_front1.jpg

This is whats considered an average male in some countries nowadays:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/61/16/8d/61168dbf5844afc71e011b879055ad0f.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/68/11/04/68110468cfbec9097acd1097a0e450e9.jpg

Looks like tapeworm patients.

But they are teens, still growing up.

[Ylla]

I think so and it is also supported by research. We are losing our ability to communicate with others and experience emotions (emotional intelligence) which is fuelled by social media. There is far less pressure in this modern life to evolve physically.

Some research (http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2012-11/cp-rst110912.php)

Dr. Crabtree points out that human intelligence and behavior require the optimal functioning of a large number of genes. And these genes need enormous evolutionary pressures to be maintained. "The development of our intellectual abilities and the optimization of thousands of intelligence genes probably occurred in relatively non-verbal, dispersed groups of peoples before our ancestors emerged from Africa," Dr. Crabtree said in a media statement. He explained that in this ancient environment, intelligence was critical for survival so genes required for intellectual development were maintained and favored, resulting in a growth of human intelligence.

[Linebacker]

But they are teens, still growing up.

Age is no excuse,especially not Teen age.Hormones peak during teen years,so development potential is the highest then.

There are teenagers who are bigger and more muscular than adults,as well as have more matured faces.Its only a matter of who is more gracilized/reduced and who keeps the archaic gene running.

I won't bother looking for pictures,but there are teenagers that put middle aged men to shame out there.

[fanta]

No, not really. We are becoming taller.

[fanta]

http://www.randalolson.com/wp-content/uploads/historical-median-male-height.png

[fanta]

Lifestyle is the reason,but devolution is a fact.

Ever seen one of those human anatomy diagrams at the docs office?They are always muscular and strong looking,because those diagrams are supposed to represent the human anatomy the way its SUPPOSED to be.Our caveman ancestors were muscular and endurant without lifting any weights,their bones show it,the question is why aren't we born muscular? - Answer is OP.

https://lanternhollow.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/muscles_human_body_front1.jpg

This is whats considered an average male in some countries nowadays:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/61/16/8d/61168dbf5844afc71e011b879055ad0f.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/68/11/04/68110468cfbec9097acd1097a0e450e9.jpg

Looks like tapeworm patients.

Past generations used to be skinnier actually.

[Linebacker]

Past generations used to be skinnier actually.

They were also devolved.Phsyical devolution started about 10000 years ago when the agricultural revolution replaced hunter gatherers.

http://www.acupuncturebrooklyn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/mankind2.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/04/28/article-2614780-1D6B920E00000578-477_634x357.jpg

[Balmung]

Physically? no. We're taller than previous generations, we're just overweight. Devolving mentally? hell yes... big time.

[LightHouse89]

If you mean by American then yes the world is increasingly becoming a land of subhumans.

[LightHouse89]

Physically? no. We're taller than previous generations, we're just overweight. Devolving mentally? hell yes... big time.

Americanism is the disease.

[Linebacker]

If you mean by American then yes the world is increasingly becoming a land of subhumans.

Why do you say such hate about your own country,especially today on this date?

[LightHouse89]

Why do you say such hate about your own country,especially today on this date?

It isnt my country. Its a Jewish country. I could care less what day it is.

[sql]

They were also devolved.Phsyical devolution started about 10000 years ago when the agricultural revolution replaced hunter gatherers.

http://www.acupuncturebrooklyn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/mankind2.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/04/28/article-2614780-1D6B920E00000578-477_634x357.jpg

With regards to brains, bigger does not mean better. Smaller brains are more efficient and are supposed to be better.