Classify Me

[Robert A.]

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I find that people from my family's country of origin usually have no problem with identifying me, and I pass unnoticed. However, people in the U.S. and other countries are normally confused. Can you classify me?

In case it matters, my height is 6'3" (191 cm) and 190 lbs (86kg).

[ChocolateFace]

Atachments are not working.

[Robert A.]

I uploaded the images again. They seem to be working on my account.

[Armand_Duval]

Gracile eatmediterranid with possible both berid/arabid strain, you look like a jew.

Now being from Oakland for most sure youre of mexican ancestry.

[Sikeliot]

Harnizo.

[Robert A.]

I've lived in Oakland for less than a year. I'm not originally from Oakland.

[Armand_Duval]

I've lived in Oakland for less than a year. I'm not originally from Oakland.

Well you can go as both, either mexican or jewish, make your pick.

[ChocolateFace]

A good example of Atlanto Med. Some reduced CM influences and you look as if you have some Amerindian ancestry.

[Robert A.]

Interesting. Is there is an Eastern Gracile-Mediterranid/Berid/Arabid Jewish population in Mexico?

[ChocolateFace]

I don't think you look Jewish. Maybe only Moroccan Jew.

[Robert A.]

A good example of Atlanto Med. Some reduced CM influences and you look as if you have some Amerindian ancestry.

Could you say that Atlanto Med./CM/Amerindian and Eastern Gracile Med./Berid/Arabid/Jewish phenotypes present themselves in the same way?

[ChocolateFace]

Could you say that Atlanto Med./CM/Amerindian and Eastern Gracile Med./Berid/Arabid/Jewish phenotypes present themselves in the same way?

Maybe to some people I guess.

[Armand_Duval]

A good example of Atlanto Med. Some reduced CM influences and you look as if you have some Amerindian ancestry.

Yes.

Mexicans have all those admixtures indeed moreover the admixture of meds types with some little of native americans produces pseudomiddle eastern looking people, more than one of the forummites can certify my saying.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?92210-Why-do-some-Mexicans-look-pseudo-West-Asian&highlight=mexicans+middle+eastern

[Anglojew]

Yeah you look Harnizo Sephardi. Are you from Chile?

[Ianus]

Atlantomd+some exotic

[Robert A.]

Thank you guys for for your input. I have to say that in the US I am usually labeled as most of the above, and so are my family members (except for Chilean).
Here is an image of my siblings so that you can get an idea.


Also, what percentages would you attribute to African/Arabid/Berid/CM/Harnizo/(Sephardic or other) Jewish/(Atlanto or Eastern) Med/?

And where would you place us?

[SobieskisavedEurope]

Gracile Med - Berid - Alpinid - Turanid.

Looks like a Jew to me!

[Smaug]

Either Latin-American or Caucasic. You look like some Ossetians I've seen.

[Robert A.]

Yes.

Mexicans have all those admixtures indeed moreover the admixture of meds types with some little of native americans produces pseudomiddle eastern looking people, more than one of the forummites can certify my saying.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?92210-Why-do-some-Mexicans-look-pseudo-West-Asian&highlight=mexicans+middle+eastern

Your guess was right on target. In general, I tend to be confused by most people's perception of my phenotype. Like I said, I tend to pass as an average male (except for height) in the Mexican states my mom and paternal grandparents are from. However, I find that most people in the US, Europe and Asia perceive me as some sort of Middle-Eastern/Jewish doppelgänger that no one can place. As far as I know, I have no Jewish or Middle-Eastern ancestors since 1845. Before that, I couldn't say.

As a multiracial/mestizo male, I think I look like a cross between these two types:

Amerindian
http://www.richardavedon.com/index.php#mi=2&pt=1&pi=10000&s=14&p=9&a=0&at=0

Mediterranean
http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/hpzlnSZKDOH/Italy+v+Armenia/PM7l4wYBazQ/Lorenzo+Insigne

and if I do have Jewish ancestry, maybe:
http://johannasvisions.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/leonardC.jpg

Interestingly enough, my maternal ancestors have this phenotype (not sure if he was Jewish or not):
http://www.whatsonningbo.com/news_images/b2765caa41ba3ffd_Fidel_Castro.jpg

[The King, I am]

You don't look white

[TCDA1986]

you can be Spanish, Italian, Greek, Jew, etc.

[cally]

You give an eastern med vibe.

[Robert A.]

I received my results from 23andme if anyone is interested:
47244

and GEDmatch:
47243

There seems to be slight differences between the two, but I think they paint a general picture.

Does anyone happen to know how Ashkenazi, Middle-Eastern, West/South Asian, East+West-African fit in the puzzle if I know of no known Ashkenazi Jewish, Middle-Eastern/North African, Indian or Subsaharan African since 1800s?

[DataType]

Brazilian? Though they have a lot of different looks mixed together, so I'm not sure that is definite.

[JoeyGee8688]

Part Indian/Gypsy.

[Sehnsucht]

According to your DNA test, it looks like you're a little bit of everything.

[Robert A.]

Being that my family is from Mexico, I was under the impression that I would score somewhere between Amerindian and Southern European. I had no idea how radically admixed Mexicans are. Given the unassigned portion on 23andme, and the higher percentages of African, West-Asian and South-Asian on GEDmatch, it leaves me with a number of questions.

Given the amount of African/Caucasian/Indian/Jewish/MENA that I score - and assuming that I could have Gypsy, Jewish and North/African ancestry through Spanish ancestors - this leads me to question if those populations still exist in today's Spanish population, and how similar the Spanish (or other Europeans) who emigrated to New Spain (circa 1492-1821) were compared to modern Iberians (or other Europeans)? Was Mexico/Latin America a refuge of some sort for admixed historic Iberians who are no longer represented in the present population?

It doesn't make sense to me that these populations would have reached the areas my family is from as recent immigrants (1800s-present) because there is no documented proof or oral-historical accounts. There are only oral-historical accounts of indigenous people and Spanish people, and documented accounts of Spanish family names. Hmm, I lie, there is one account of an Irish-American immigrant in the 1800s.