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Pallantides
01-15-2010, 12:36 PM
Setesdal
http://setesdal.com/design/kart/setesdal2.png



Setesdal (older name: Sætersdal) is a valley and a traditional district in Aust-Agder County (fylke) in southern Norway. It consists of the municipalities of Bykle, Valle, Bygland, Iveland, and Evje og Hornnes.
The Otra river flows through the valley of Setesdal into the sea near the Kristiansand. Setesdal flows from the Hardangervidda plateau in Telemark to the north. The historic Setesdal starts at Evje and extends as far as the farm called Bjåen, at the edge of Telemark county. Øvre (Upper) Setesdal is in the municipality of Bykle. The municipalities of Iveland, Evje & Hornes and Bygland comprise the Nedre (Lower) Setesdal. Valle municipality lies located in middle the Setesdal valley.

History
The Historia Norvegiæ, a short history of Norway written by a monk in the second half of the 12th century, reports that Setesdal was then part of the law district “Telemark with Råbyggelag”. A Raabygger or Råbygger is one who lives in a corner; this is an apt description for the valley of Setesdal, which runs like a wedge into the heights of the mountain called Haukelifjell.
Ascending the Otra valley from Evje, one reaches the lake Byglandsfjord. At this point one historically found one of the more pronounced cultural transitions in Norway; there was a radical change in racial characteristics, dress (folk costumes or Bunad), architecture, dialect, dance (e.g., the ganger, a form of Bygdedans), customs, and cuisine. Particularly obvious north of the mountain pass of Byklestigen, the people of upper Setesdal were observed to be more closely related in blood and speech to their eastern neighbors in Telemark, as well as their immediate neighbors in adjoining districts of Rogaland to the west than to those people down valley.
Between Valle in Setesdal on the western side of the mountains and Fyresdal on the eastern side, one finds a medieval track that priests and bishops used to get between the counties of Agder and Telemark. This track is named Bispevegen ("Bishop's Road") and every year a march called "Bispevegmarsjen" ("The Bishop's Road March") starts at Kleivgrend in Fyresdal.
The Hylestad stave church, constructed in the 13th century, in Setesdal was demolished in the 19th century. Its portal, with several carved scenes illustrating the legend of Sigurd Fåvnesbane (Sigurd the Dragon-slayer), is on display at University Museum of Antiquities in Oslo (Universitetets Oldsaksamling, Historisk Museum, Oslo). Sigurd's slaying of Fafnir is described in the Prose Edda of Snorri Sturluson and the Saga of the Volsungs as well as alluded to in Beowulf and Njal's Saga.
The Setesdal Railroad (Setesdalsbanen in Norwegian) is a railroad between Kristiansand and Byglandsfjord, Setesdal in southern Norway. It was opened to Hægeland in 1895, and to Byglandsfjord in 1896. This railroad was closed down in 1962 but parts of it exist today as a hobby railroad and it is in regular tourist use during the summer months.
Bjoren is an old steamboat that is in regular tourist use on a part of the river Otra called Byglandsfjord.




Traditional costumes from Setesdal
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/vallebunad.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/setesdalcostunes.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/setesdaldrakter.jpg

Lusekofte from Setesdal
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Detail from man's costume
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/setesdaldetali.jpg

Sætersdalere
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Agrippa
01-15-2010, 04:14 PM
Interesting how close they are, in every respect, to Central Europe and the German Alpine areas. The only major difference being the absense of the Dinarid racial type, otherwise, landscape, way of life, costumes, general racial variation etc. are quite alike.

Jarl
01-15-2010, 07:57 PM
Well... Sure they don't look like half-neanderthal survivors! ;)

Erik
01-15-2010, 08:00 PM
Very interesting pictures. But I read that the population are the purest nordic men of
the world without any brown eyes. But they do not look so nordic, some are alpine
or east-baltic. I believe that the country people of the north of the Netherlands
are much more nordic or cro-magnon than the Norwegians.

Pallantides
01-15-2010, 08:09 PM
But they do not look so nordic, some are alpine
or east-baltic.

Maybe this is the true Nordic look and Nordids were not suited for the rugged lands of Norway.:D:p

Erik
01-15-2010, 08:24 PM
I cannot believe that they are real nordics. Some of them have brown hair.
More teutonic people are found in Jutland, East-Frisia and north of the
Netherlands.

I am sure that some of the ancestors of the Setes Dal population must
be arrived from other parts of Europe, maybe central Germany or the
British Islands.

Pallantides
01-15-2010, 08:30 PM
The population of Setesdal had been relativly unchanged and somewhat isolated since the Iron age unlike the more western and eastern parts of Norway who have had an influx of immigrants from Scotland, Germany, Finland, Netherlands and Sweden, so they are probably more 'pure' Norwegian than many people in other areas of Norway.

Agrippa
01-15-2010, 08:52 PM
Well... Sure they don't look like half-neanderthal survivors! ;)

Actually C.S. Coon is a quite good anthropologist, but he would have been a better one without his "Upper Palaeolithic" = Neandertal-mixed + Mediterranean = pure sapiens theory, which he even overstretched throughout his whole work and distorted his view on the racial variation.


I cannot believe that they are real nordics. Some of them have brown hair.

Brown hair in adulthood is pretty common or at least present in most Nordid variants. Brown-black or black hair rather not in unmixed-typical examples at least, though Nordatlantid is overall closer to Nordid than Mediterranid still, its a subtype on its own which should be considered as a special unit and rather rare in Scandinavia anyway.

Pallantides
01-16-2010, 01:26 PM
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/setesdaluka.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/setesdalfolkedans.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/setesdaldans.jpg
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/7876/hallingkast.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/setesdaldrakt1.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/setesdalkvinnedrakt1.jpg
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http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/setesdalmannsdrakt1.jpg
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http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/setesdalmusikk.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/setesdalbrud.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/setesdalskule.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/setesdalhus.jpg
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http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/setersdalpiger.jpg

Agrippa
01-16-2010, 01:29 PM
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/7876/hallingkast.jpg

Can you tell me something about this custom? How it being called, whats it about? Possible origins?

Also about the musical instrument which looks like an alpenhorn?

Pallantides
01-16-2010, 01:37 PM
The move is called Hallingkast in wich the dancer tries to kick off the hat, it is a part of the Hallingdans wich is a Norwegian folk dance from Valdres and Hallingdal in central eastern Norway.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBYAbfWkYx8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu49QOYLpUA

Pallantides
01-16-2010, 02:59 PM
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/setesdalbrudpar.jpg
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Pallantides
01-16-2010, 06:00 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxpt46fIMk8

Old song from Setesdal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvaAjk0B58U

Information about the Setesdal bunad(folk costume)
http://www.lailas.net/bunads/setesdal.htm
http://www.lailas.net/bunads/images/setesdal2.JPG

Jarl
01-16-2010, 06:09 PM
Very interesting pictures. But I read that the population are the purest nordic men of
the world without any brown eyes. But they do not look so nordic, some are alpine
or east-baltic. I believe that the country people of the north of the Netherlands
are much more nordic or cro-magnon than the Norwegians.

That is actually my perception as well. I find the Friese and the Danes more rugged and Western, while among the peninsular Scandinavian populations there is always a noticable Eastern, one might say "Baltid", strain.



I cannot believe that they are real nordics. Some of them have brown hair.
More teutonic people are found in Jutland, East-Frisia and north of the
Netherlands.

That depends on your definition of "Teutonic". But so it seems from the images of Norwegians posted so far in various threads. It would be nice if someone (like Lars or The Black Prince) posted a similar collection of people from Denmark or Friesland. We could make a rough comparison.


I am sure that some of the ancestors of the Setes Dal population must
be arrived from other parts of Europe, maybe central Germany or the
British Islands.

I am sure no such thing happened. I think the ancestry of the Saetersdalen population does not differe to that of coastal Norway. And surely they did not arrive from the British Isles coz they don't look British.


P.S.

I don't think there ever existed a population of "purest", "real" Nordics. This is simply impossible.

Pallantides
01-16-2010, 06:32 PM
I don't think there ever existed a population of "purest", "real" Nordics. This is simply impossible.

The question then is what exactly is a Nordic?


1. Of, relating to, or characteristic of Scandinavia or its peoples, languages, or cultures.
If we follow this defintion then the swarthiest Scandinavian is more Nordic than the blondest Lithuenian, it describes Nordic/Scandinavian culture and people and is unrelated to any specific phenotype wich is my belief.

Jarl
01-16-2010, 06:41 PM
The question then is what exactly is a Nordic?

Trend in the characteristics and specificity of Nordic populations.


If we follow this defintion then the swarthiest Scandinavian is more Nordic than the blondest Lithuenian, it describes Nordic/Scandinavian culture and people and is unrelated to any specific phenotype wich is my belief.

Indeed. That is exactly what I think too, and what I wrote in the "On the Nordic types" thread.


Conclusion?

As you have often seen by now, many ppl seem to have a misconception of what Nordic is. This leads to paradoxes like this that most Nordic people are non-Nordic. Or that Ethiopians are "comparable" to Nordics ;)

Pallantides
01-16-2010, 06:51 PM
As you have often seen by now, many ppl seem to have a misconception of what Nordic is. This leads to paradoxes like this that most Nordic people are non-Nordic.

Like when someone told me that the people in the most cultural hertiage places in south Norway Øst-Telemark, Hallingdal and Setesdal looked "racially suspect". :icon_lol:

It seems many English and Americans have the most myths and misconpections about Norwegian people, maybe they dislike the truth and would rather believe in fantasies about 6 feet giants with steel blue eyes and white blonde hair, who ride in golden chariots through the skies with winged helmets on their heads and a hammer in their hand.

Jarl
01-16-2010, 07:07 PM
It seems many English and Americans have the most myths and misconpections about Norwegian people, maybe they dislike the truth and would rather believe in fantasies about 6 feet giants with steel blue eyes and white blonde hair, who ride in golden chariots through the skies with winged helmets on their heads and a hammer in their hand.

I fear that might be correct. Retzius, Deniker and Ripley are banging their heads in heavens above! ;)

Pallantides
01-16-2010, 08:56 PM
http://www.numedal.net/Uploads/Images/Arrangementer/setesdal.jpg
http://www.numedal.net/Uploads/Images/Arrangementer/setesdal---mann.jpg

The woman who sings the first melody in this video is from Setesdal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdUVRrMGYg0

Erik
01-16-2010, 09:13 PM
I suppose that in Norway there was a lot of interbreeding. So this must cause a lot of
disease and psychotic deviations such as neurotism, autism etc. For example in the
Netherlands there are a lot of neurotic people with the Frisians.

Pallantides
01-16-2010, 09:18 PM
I suppose that in Norway there was a lot of interbreeding. So this must cause a lot of
disease and psychotic deviations such as neurotism, autism etc. For example in the
Netherlands there are a lot of neurotic people with the Frisians.

Why are you saying this?
there has been little to almost no inbreeding in Norway and Scandinavia, even in the old days marrying from the same family was forbidden and frowned upon.
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7030/consang500x331.jpg
The most inbred people are Middle Easterners and North Africans.

Jarl
01-16-2010, 09:43 PM
The most inbred people are Middle Easterners...

That seems to be correct. Kuwait, Bahrain, Jordan, Syria, parts of Pakistan are the most inbred regions apparently.

http://epirev.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/pdf_extract/13/1/28


However with Arabs, it seems to be a cultural thing. Tight close knit communities, with rigid feudal caste systems.


Inbreeding in Arabic countries:

http://www.as.wvu.edu/~kgarbutt/QuantGen/Gen535Papers2/Inbreeding.htm


Close Relationships: Incest and Inbreeding in Classical Arabic Literature:

http://i-epistemology.net/attachments/909_23-2-stripped%20-%20Book%20Reviews%20-%20Incest%20and%20Inbreeding%20in%20Classical%20Ar abic%20Literature.pdf

http://books.google.com/books?id=SsAGdWNZt6MC&dq=Inbreeding+Arabic&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=3hXwRxj_U8&sig=L08PcVnHr4U7a8kqogGZ3RBvhXs&hl=en&ei=PkFSS_qLGdS5jAeQ07iYCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CCYQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=&f=false


Inbreeding in Sudan. Not the differences between ethnic groups:

http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract;jsessionid=2DDE9187F48868F639332F1 08EDD1E94.tomcat1?fromPage=online&aid=1335052

Pallantides
01-16-2010, 09:56 PM
That seems to be correct. Kuwait, Bahrain, Jordan, Syria, parts of Pakistan are the most inbred regions apparently.

http://epirev.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/pdf_extract/13/1/28


However with Arabs, it seems to be a cultural thing. Tight close knit communities, with rigid feudal caste systems.


Inbreeding in Arabic countries:

http://www.as.wvu.edu/~kgarbutt/QuantGen/Gen535Papers2/Inbreeding.htm


Close Relationships: Incest and Inbreeding in Classical Arabic Literature:

http://i-epistemology.net/attachments/909_23-2-stripped%20-%20Book%20Reviews%20-%20Incest%20and%20Inbreeding%20in%20Classical%20Ar abic%20Literature.pdf

http://books.google.com/books?id=SsAGdWNZt6MC&dq=Inbreeding+Arabic&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=3hXwRxj_U8&sig=L08PcVnHr4U7a8kqogGZ3RBvhXs&hl=en&ei=PkFSS_qLGdS5jAeQ07iYCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CCYQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=&f=false


Inbreeding in Sudan. Not the differences between ethnic groups:

http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract;jsessionid=2DDE9187F48868F639332F1 08EDD1E94.tomcat1?fromPage=online&aid=1335052
I read somewhere that the Danish Police claimed that inbreeding was on of the reason why they had so many problem with Muslim immigrants:D

face of an inbred:
http://www.topnews.in/files/Mahmoud-Ahmadinejad666.bmp

funny video in Swedish
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vv8Ex-FNWBA

Jarl
01-16-2010, 09:58 PM
funny video in Swedish

Knulla wikipedia, knulla Sverige! :D:D:D LOOOL!

Osweo
01-17-2010, 12:36 AM
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/setesdal6.jpg
Ah, it suddenly becomes clearer to me how the founder of Skegness must have looked, back in Ninth Century Yorkshire... :D


Oooh, and here on our left I believe is a certain SuuTsdottir I've seen elsewhere!:
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/setesdal29.jpg
(Nordid girl on the right stands out from her neighbours! :p)

And here's SuuTr SuuTarssen himself:
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/setesdalmann3.jpg


I'm seeing a lot of faces that wouldn't look at all out of place in Northern England. :cheers:
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/setesdal18.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/setesdal20.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/setesdal21.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/setesdal22.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/setesdalfamilie4.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/setesdalmankvinne.jpg

:) Especially this one:
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/setesdaldrakt2.jpg

Pallantides
01-17-2010, 07:49 PM
This guy looks like one of my cousins:D
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/setesdal22.jpg

Pallantides
01-17-2010, 08:38 PM
I found this intresting...
http://www.white-history.com/earlson/hfk/reoehcover_files/cover.jpg

The relatively purest Nordic population of Norway lies in the Öster, Gudbrand, and Nume valleys, and also in the Telemark district, and in the Sete valley. The thickly wooded Tryssil district on the Swedish frontier has a predominantly East Baltic population; Ripley even ascribes to it a certain 'Mongolian' look.

according to Günther the purest Nordic stock can be found in Telemark and Setesdal, I assume Gudbrand is Gudbrandsdalen, Nume valley is Numedal and I have no idea what öster is.

Jarl
01-17-2010, 08:42 PM
By Öster he probably means the Osterdal region, like C.S. Coon.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%98sterdalen


Østerdalene (Norwegian plural form) is the collection of valleys in the region, including the Trysil valley, Engerdal, Rendal and Glomdal.

Loki
01-17-2010, 08:42 PM
I have no idea what öster is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osterdal



Østerdalen or Østerdal is a valley and traditional district in the eastern part of Norway, consisting of the municipalities Rendalen, Alvdal, Folldal, Tynset, Tolga and Os in the north, Elverum, Stor-Elvdal, Engerdal,Trysil and Åmot in the south.

The upper river valleys of Norwegian rivers have distinctive names which are vestiges of earlier cultural distinctions such as building styles, traditional clothing or bunad and domestic crafts. The upper valley of the Glomma is the Østerdal (literally Eastern Valley, the -en ending in Norwegian corresponds to the definite article the in English).

Østerdalene (Norwegian plural form) is the collection of valleys in the region, including the Trysil valley, Engerdal, Rendal and Glomdal.

Pallantides
01-17-2010, 08:45 PM
I know what Østerdalen is but nobody refer to it as öster, that is just Swedish for 'eastwards'


By Öster he probably means the Osterdal region, like C.S. Coon.

Trysil lies in Østerdal or Østerdalen as we usually call it.

The thickly wooded Tryssil district on the Swedish frontier has a predominantly East Baltic population; Ripley even ascribes to it a certain 'Mongolian' look.

Hedmark was home to many forest Finns who migrated to Norway in the 17th Century.

Jarl
01-17-2010, 08:49 PM
Coon relied on:

1. BRYN, H., Der nordische Mensch, Munich, 1929.
2. , Homo Caesius. SKNV, #2, Trondhjem, 1931.
3. , and SCHREINER, K. E., Somatologie der Norweger. SNVO, #1, Oslo, 1929.

Im not certain for the first two, but 3rd position relies on about 270 individuals.

Pallantides
01-17-2010, 09:06 PM
I know Schreiner did some of his field research in Setesdal, but having seen many old pictures from both Setesdal and Telemark, I feel they are far removed from the Nordic ideal that has been put forth, they look more Alpine in my opinion. :fponder:
I doubt it has anything to with intermixing with the Sami, has the Sami infulence pretty much stops in north Trøndelag and the numbers of Sami in the south have always been relativly small and insignificant, there have been found 1000 year old Sami sites has far south as Oppland but here we are talking 30 to 50 individuals tops so I doubt they have had any significant impact on the southern and central south Norwegian population

Jarl
01-18-2010, 11:04 AM
I know Schreiner did some of his field research in Setesdal, but having seen many old pictures from both Setesdal and Telemark, I feel they are far removed from the Nordic ideal that has been put forth, they look more Alpine in my opinion. :fponder:

Frankly, even if you look at the "Somatologie..." album, there are very few individuals that depict the "Nordic ideal". Perhaps I should post some here.


I doubt it has anything to with intermixing with the Sami, has the Sami infulence pretty much stops in north Trøndelag and the numbers of Sami in the south have always been relativly small and insignificant, there have been found 1000 year old Sami sites has far south as Oppland but here we are talking 30 to 50 individuals tops so I doubt they have had any significant impact on the southern and central south Norwegian population

I would really like to see the data Coon used from the two other sources. In Races of Europe he gave 76,4 CI and 90,3 FI for the recruits. I am assuming he used Bryn's and Schreiner's Somatologie der Norwerger. But I will check it myself if its correct.


However, there is one peculiar thing that always caught my attention:

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-IX4.htm

Look at the footnotes 35 and 36. Coon seems not to believe Bryn's data. They seem too un-Nordic for him. He speculates Bryn messed up the Facial Index and Nasal Index measurements as they seem too low and high, respectively...

Jarl
01-18-2010, 11:23 AM
I summed up the bizyg of the 278 Norwegians in the "Somatologie". The sum is 39119... It would be nice to double-check it, if you also have access to the album. This gives a mean of 140.72, which is consistent with observations. Majority of measurements fall in the 130s 140s, with very few in 150s and occasional 120.


This is however, nearly 6 mm more than given by Coon!


The mean vault dimensions of the recruits from these valleys are: length, 195 mm., breadth, 149 mm., and auricular height, 126 mm., with a cephalic index of 76.8. The native farmers are even longer headed, with a mean index of 75.5. Since these indices reflect figures of 73-75 on skull, it may be readily seen that the original Iron Age Nordic vault form has been transferred to eastern Norway with little or no modification. Frontal and bigonial diameters average 105 mm., while the bizygomatic mean is 135 mm. The face height, given by Bryn as 122 mm.,35 is only moderately long. The nasal dimensions, of 55 or 56 mm. by 33.8, produce an index of 60 or 61.36


I thus wonder, where did he get his bizygomatic mean for Norway from??? He states "from Bryn and Schreiner", but it cannot be the "Somatologie der Norweger" album, coz the disparity is striking!




I have also summed up all total face heights. The sum is 34280. Divided by 278 it gives us a mean of 123.31 seems close to Bryn's 122.


35. It seems likely that Bryn located the nasion a little lower than did A. Schreiner, judging by the comparisons elsewhere. It is also likely that this mean should be nearer 125 or 126 mm.

But is definitely far from Coon's estimate of 125-126 mm. The thing is that the Facial Index of the Norwegians from the album is thus about 87.63, which is in fact not even leptoprosopic...

Jarl
01-18-2010, 12:31 PM
Now. I double checked this and summed up 278 facial indices given by Schreiner and Bryn. I summed up the first three digits (for instance if the index was 92.3, I listed it down as 923). The sum was 236717, which gave me an average facial index of....85.15 !!!


This is way under Coon's 90,3 index given for the recruits... :confused:

SuuT
01-18-2010, 01:04 PM
Oooh, and here on our left I believe is a certain SuuTsdottir I've seen elsewhere!:
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/setesdal29.jpg

:eek:




And here's SuuTr SuuTarssen himself:
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/setesdalmann3.jpg

:p

Osweo
01-18-2010, 03:13 PM
No, Silly, the OTHER one. THe one with yellow hair, and a Y and a W in her name... :p
The one I tried to buy off you that time...

SuuT
01-18-2010, 04:02 PM
........

Pallantides
01-23-2010, 01:45 AM
Valle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valle,_Norway)

http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle1.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle2.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle3.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle4.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle5.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle6.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle7.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle8.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle9.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle10.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle11.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle12.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle13.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle14.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle15.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle16.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle17.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle18.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle19.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle20.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle21.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle22.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle23.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle24.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle25.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle26.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle27.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle28.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle29.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle30.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle31.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle32.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle34.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle35.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle36.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle37.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle38.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle39.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle40.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle41.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle42.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle43.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle44.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle45.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle46.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle47.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle48.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle49.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle50.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle51.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle52.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle53.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle54.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle55.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle56.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle57.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle58.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle59.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle60.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle61.jpg

Julebukkmaske( Yule Goat mask) from Valle.
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/julebukkmaske.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/julebukkmaske2.jpg
Yule Goat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yule_Goat)

Pallantides
01-23-2010, 01:01 PM
Beer bowl made in 1758 from Valle.
http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/2305/vallegjenstand1.jpg

Powderhorn from Valle.
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/krutthorn.jpg

Chest from Valle.
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/skrin.jpg

Gun put together from older parts from 1850-1870 in Valle.
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/gun.jpg

Flintlock musket of Norwegian make made in the 17th century.
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/snapp.jpg

Powderhorn from Valle.
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/krutthorn2.jpg

Jug from Valle.
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/krukke.jpg

Drinking can from Valle.
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/drikkekanne.jpg

Goat fur coat from Valle.
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/frakk.jpg

Beer bowl from Valle.
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/beerbowl.jpg

Man's jacket from Valle.
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/mannskofte.jpg

Man's pants from Valle.
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/bukse.jpg

Belt from Valle.
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/belte.jpg

Man's vest from Valle.
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/vest.jpg

Man's jacket from Valle.
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/mannskofte2.jpg

Man's hat from Valle.
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/hatt.jpg

Woman's jacket from Valle. http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/kvinnekofte2.jpg

Woman's skirt from Valle. http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/stakk.jpg

Jarl
01-23-2010, 01:06 PM
These items and pictures strongly reminds me of the rough life of American frontiersmen in Northern states and Canada. I bet the old Norwegians would make excellent trapers :)

Pallantides
01-23-2010, 04:38 PM
Bykle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bykle)
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/bykle1.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/bykle2.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/bykle3.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/bykle4.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/bykle5.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/bykle6.jpg

Bygland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bygland)
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/bygland1.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/bygland2.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/bygland3.jpg

Iveland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iveland)
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/iveland1.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/iveland2.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/iveland3.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/iveland4.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/iveland5.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/iveland6.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/iveland7.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/iveland8.jpg

Evje og Hornnes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evje_og_Hornnes)
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/evje1.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/evje2.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/evje3.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/hornnes1.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/hornnes2.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/hornnes3.jpg

Jarl
01-23-2010, 04:41 PM
I love that one:

http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/hornnes1.jpg

May such Norway live forever.

Pallantides
01-23-2010, 05:03 PM
May such Norway live forever.

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/498/innvandring1.jpg
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/308/apekatter.jpg
http://gfx.dagbladet.no/pub/artikkel/4/43/431/431829/bunad1Xart858.jpg

Jarl
01-23-2010, 05:06 PM
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/498/innvandring1.jpg
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/308/apekatter.jpg

Where is that? Particularly the second pic... is this actually in Norway???


http://gfx.dagbladet.no/pub/artikkel/4/43/431/431829/bunad1Xart858.jpg


:rolleyes: mhhm... yeah... and this one comes from...???

solkorset
01-23-2010, 05:07 PM
You should consult Halfdan Bryn. He wrote many books and papers about race in general and the conditions in Norway in particular. This is especially relevant:

Einiges über die letzte anthropologische Untersuchung desnorwegischen Volkes (1930)

Jarl
01-23-2010, 05:11 PM
Here is a link to a downloadable version of Bryn's "Der Nordischer Mensh" (1929) posted originally by Agrippa:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=151730&highlight=Bryn+Agrippa#post151730

Pallantides
01-23-2010, 05:15 PM
You should consult Halfdan Bryn. He wrote many books and papers about race in general and the conditions in Norway in particular. This is especially relevant:

Einiges über die letzte anthropologische Untersuchung desnorwegischen Volkes (1930)

Det er interessant ut fra et historisk perspektiv men mye av det er bare pseudovitenskap, spesielt ideen om et Nordisk herremenneske.

Agrippa
01-23-2010, 05:29 PM
Det er interessant ut fra et historisk perspektiv men mye av det er bare pseudovitenskap, spesielt ideen om et Nordisk herremenneske.

His description are nevertheless quite accurate, though I wouldnt put the broad faced variant he described in one category with the standard type.

Jarl
01-23-2010, 05:33 PM
His description are nevertheless quite accurate, though I wouldnt put the broad faced variant he described in one category with the standard type.

I guess he based them on living studies. Orientalid Nordics from Coon's plates are also not the "standard type".

Pallantides
01-23-2010, 06:26 PM
Information about Setesdal from Norsk Folkemuseum:
Setesdal is a valley in Aust-Agder county and is made up of the local communities of Bygland, Valle and Bykle. The Otra river flows through the vallev which is deep and narrow in maw - places, with the surrounding hills reach ing over 1000 meters (3300 feet) abcn e sea level. In the past, Setesdal was fair ly isolated. Rugged terrain meant there was little contact with the coast. Before the main road between Kristiansand and Valle was completed in 1846, peo ple traveled on foot and horseback and had to cross the river at several places. Setesdalsbanen, the railroad line which opened in 1896, was also important in improving contact with the outside world.
Because of its isolation Setesdal has preserved many old customs and traditions. Medieval characteristics were common in folk art and architec ture into the 1800s. Agriculture, animal husbandry and forestry were the main subsistence bases, supplemented by hunting and trapping. Historically, the farms in Setesdal lay up on the hillsides, surrounded by small patches of culti vated land and fields. Over the centuries many farms had been divided, and the buildings of four or five differ ent holdings could be gathered in one farmyard.

The innhus and uthus were separated, often divided into two rows. Depending on the terrain the two rows could be placed at different angles, but the innhus were nearly always placed high er up the hillside than the uthus.

Grain, mostly barley, was the main crop, and from the early 1800s the potato was common. Turnips were also a staple. There was little gardening until the late 1800s. There was plenty of pas ture in the surrounding fields and up in the hills.

The open-hearth house, or årestue, was used as a dwelling house in Setesdal into the 1880s. It had an open gallery in stave construction running along the front, and its furnishing and decoration bore traces of the Middle Ages. After 1700 it became common to add a new room with windows, a wooden floor and a fireplace on to the existing dwelling. This new room became the main living quarters. The old årestue became the summer living quarters or the eldhus for baking, brewing, wash ing and other heavy tasks. Next to the dwelling was the loft, a storehouse of two or three stories, whose gable faced the farmyard. The loft buildings in Setesdal were built on stone foundations and had galleries of stave con struction surrounding the upper story.

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4421/setesdalfarmstad.jpg
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/3784/setesdalwilse.jpg
The Setesdal farmstead

The Setesdal farmstead shown here is made up of two farms which share a yard, as was common before the land reforms. There are two of most types of buildings and the others would have been shared.

House from Kjelleberg in Valle, ca. 1650-1700

The house is made up of two rooms, the "old room," gamlestog and the "new room," nyestog. The gamlestog is an open-hearth house (årestue) which originally had three rooms; the main room, the antechamber and a small chamber. When the nyestog was added, the wall was removed between the antechamber and the chamber and this became a hall between the gamlestog and nyestog. Stairs led from this hall up to a sleeping loft above the nyestog.The gamlestog is a typi cal medieval dwelling house with its open -hearth (åre), earthen floor and smoke vent in the ceiling.The nyestog, with its fire place, wooden floor and glass windows, represents the newer way of building.The gamlestog was originally part of King Oscar II's Collections. In 1912 it was moved to its present site and the nyestog was reattached.

Årestue from Arnlid in Valle, ca. 1650- 1700

This building is nearly identical to the Kjelleberg open-hearth house, but it has no nyestog.This dwelling house rep resents a medieval style of building with its open-hearth (åre), smoke vent and fixed furnishings, including built-in benches along three walls and a table with a long bench before it.The brugdebenk is a bench with a back and is one of the few moveable pieces of furniture in the house. A bed is placed in each corner next to the doors. Because of their great width these beds appear shorter than they actually are, but short, wide beds were the norm. People slept curled up and used rolled up blankets for pillows. The cooking pot hangs from a beam

Loft from Ose in Austad, Bygland, ca. 1700

The loft is remarkable because of its enormous logs, superior construction and dec orative carving. It was built by Knut Torjussen Helle from Hylestad. The bur on the ground floor was used to store food. The loft above held good clothes and other valuable items, and was used as a guest room and sleeping quar ters in the summer. The bur was also a summer sleeping place for older children or hired hands. The entire upper story is surrounded by an enclosed gallery of stave construction.

Pallantides
01-23-2010, 09:41 PM
Here is a link to a downloadable version of Bryn's "Der Nordischer Mensh" (1929) posted originally by Agrippa:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=151730&highlight=Bryn+Agrippa#post151730

My German is rather rustic:redface_002:, many intresting Norwegian types though.

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Pallantides
01-24-2010, 12:57 PM
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Pallantides
03-18-2010, 11:29 PM
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