Western Swedes

[Östsvensk]

Okay, a lot of threads about Norwegians here, so maybe I'll give them some competition. :thumb001:

Old anthropologists (as well as Agrippa) usually said that Western Swedes have more Nordid or "Germanic" looks than other Swedes in general, which is why I decided to post examples from this region. However, not all the examples are Nordid, but can also be Dalofaelid/Cromagn(o)id or have such influence. Of course no local ancestry is proven either, but they look quite "Western Swedish" in general, so I just post them. ;):D

All of these are from small communities in Värmland:

http://i36.tinypic.com/1y1lcy.jpg
http://i35.tinypic.com/imqj6g.jpg
http://i33.tinypic.com/2872jxc.jpg
http://i33.tinypic.com/2utjlo0.jpg
http://i34.tinypic.com/312gy95.jpg
http://i33.tinypic.com/29bd1qg.jpg
http://i33.tinypic.com/148i2du.jpg
http://i36.tinypic.com/119usec.jpg
http://i47.tinypic.com/rllsmb.jpg
http://i47.tinypic.com/ddko7p.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/21ew591.jpg
http://i47.tinypic.com/n4bj8x.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/33mbyq9.jpg
http://i46.tinypic.com/2myakv4.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/kedwf4.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/av28sk.jpg

[Pallantides]

http://i34.tinypic.com/312gy95.jpg

lesbians?


anyway I'd be intrested in seeing some old pictures from Sweden.:thumbs up

[Brännvin]

Too much female photos, I know the your interest in Anthropology :whistle: Anyway, you've good taste..




Old anthropologists (as well as Agrippa) usually said that Western Swedes have more Nordid or "Germanic" looks than other Swedes in general, which is why I decided to post examples from this region.

How so? :confused: I hope that you include southern swedes as western swedes if not sound weird your logic...

[Brännvin]

anyway I'd be intrested in seeing some old pictures from Sweden.:thumbs up

No problem!

Here (http://www.flickr.com/groups/swedenbefore1945/) :coffee: :thumbs up

Old photos that documents Sweden as it was before about 1945 and divided between regions.

[Falkata]

Good looking people

I like the one on the right :p

http://i33.tinypic.com/29bd1qg.jpg

[Östsvensk]

How so? :confused: I hope that you include southern swedes as western swedes if not sound weird your logic...

It is not my logics at all. It is the old anthropologists (and Agrippas) logics. :p

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/lundborg-oversikt.htm

In Swedish (Sorry, but you can always use Google Translator :D) :


De ljusa delarna på kartan representera de landskap, i vilka mer an 10 % av befolkningen förete rent nordisk typ. De dubbelstreckade landskapen i norr (d.v.s. Lappland, Norr- och Västerbotten) åter ha en befolkning, som är starkt uppblandad. I de tvärstreckade områdena, som utgöras av Gottland, Skåne, Halland, Blekinge och Ängermanland, förekommer också en rätt starkt uppblandad befolkning. I mindre grad gäller detta om de vertikalt streckade landskapen. I stort sett kan man säga, att de delar, som ligga på gränsen mot Norge, ha att uppvisa en renare svensk stam än landets nordliga och sydliga delar samt kusttrakterna i öster, om man frånräknar Södermanland och Öland.

Edit: "Nordic types" in percent (low resolution) : http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v520/tombombadill/rasbiotext5.jpg

[Östsvensk]

Males from Värmland and Dalarna then:

http://i36.tinypic.com/mcf054.jpg


http://www.budo-fitness.se/news/reportage/gladiatorernainspelning2003/tor_gunde.jpg
http://www.budo-fitness.se/news/reportage/gladiatorernainspelning2003/tor_gunde.jpg
http://gfx.aftonbladet-cdn.se/multimedia/archive/00032/SPORT-25s09-gundefri_32910w.jpg


http://www.vicious.se/skifs/bilder_hq/bjorn_skifs.jpg
http://gullspångsbuss.se/resor/images/stories/2009/bjornskifs.jpg

[Brännvin]

Dalarna as Western Sweden! Dude, it is Svealand as you get, the same goes to Värmland.. How it is Western Sweden?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Sverigekarta-Landsdelar_Svealand.svg/263px-Sverigekarta-Landsdelar_Svealand.svg.png

I still did not understand this anthropological logic! :confused:

[Östsvensk]

Dalarna as Western Sweden! Dude, it is Svealand as you get, the same goes to Värmland.. How it is Western Sweden?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Sverigekarta-Landsdelar_Svealand.svg/263px-Sverigekarta-Landsdelar_Svealand.svg.png

I still did not understand this anthropological logic! :confused:

Dalarna itself borders Norway, as far as I know. Of course it is a very big landscape, so you might have a point.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v520/tombombadill/rasbiotext4.jpg

But the light landscapes, except Västmanland, Södermanland and Örebro, are western, aren't they? ;)

[Brännvin]

Dalarna itself borders Norway, as far as I know. Of course it is a very big landscape though, so you might have a point.

They could be central Scandinavia it counting with Norway! ;)




But the light landscapes, except Västmanland, Södermanland and Örebro, are western, aren't they? ;)

Dalarna and Värmland are western Svealand, plus Västmanland, Södermanland and Örebro eastern Svealand :p! Seriously Svealand is currently almost in the center of Sweden... Okej, I hope to have got the your point, anyway!

[Pallantides]

A few cool Swedes.

Mikael Persbrandt
http://prestberg.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/persbrandt.jpg

Ola Rapace
http://lyckokaka.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/olarapace.jpg
Is Ola a common name in Sweden or does he have some Norwegian ancestry?

Stellan Slarsgård
http://andersbwestin.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/stellan-skarsgard.jpg

Peter Stormare
http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/touchstone_pictures/bad_company/peter_stormare/badco2.jpg

[Anthropos]

I believe Brännvin is right. Neither Dalarna nor Värmland were ever a part of the region commonly referred to as 'Western Sweden' (Västsverige), as far as I know. Only Västergötland along with Dalsland and Bohuslän can come into question here, strictly speaking. (Halland and Skåne belong to Southern Sweden for a good reason.)

[Brännvin]

Västsverige (http://www.vastsverige.com/templates/default____28.aspx)

Bohuslän, Dalsland och Västergötland...

[Östsvensk]

Västsverige (http://www.vastsverige.com/templates/default____28.aspx)

Bohuslän, Dalsland och Västergötland...

Västsverige = West Sweden. Try Västra Sverige = Western Sweden. :thumb001:

[Brännvin]

Västsverige = West Sweden. Try Västra Sverige = Western Sweden. :thumb001:

Eh?! :puppy_dp: This discussion is going to total non-sense! But, anyway, what is the difference of people's phenotype in Dalarna for people's phenotype in Södermanland? :icon_ask:

Give me example!

[Jamt]

Dalarna, Bergslagen and the North Western part of Sweden has it s populous origin in Svea, Mälardalen.

Culturally, linguistically, and genetically, no one seriously denies this.

[Östsvensk]

Eh?! :puppy_dp: This discussion is going to total non-sense! But, anyway, what is the difference of people's phenotype in Dalarna for people's phenotype in Södermanland? :icon_ask:

Give me example!

There are many sayings about the people in Dalarna actually. Some claim it is a very Baltid/East Baltic area, others claim there are lots of Faelids there. I have also heard sayings that people from there tend to be darker in average, but I don't really believe in it. The old measurings showed that it was a very "Nordic" area.

Dalarna, Bergslagen and the North Western part of Sweden has it s populous origin in Svea, Mälardalen.

Culturally, linguistically, and genetically, no one seriously denies this.

Well, I know, but the climate also affects the phenotype, as far I know. I think Agrippa once wrote that the climate of bordering Norway landscapes, as well as Eastern Norway, made these tribes more Nordid in general.

[Jamt]

Well, I know, but the climate also affects the phenotype, as far I know. I think Agrippa once wrote that the climate of bordering Norway landscapes, as well as Eastern Norway, made these tribes more Nordid in general.
That does not make any sense as the beginning of the South Scandinavian colonization of Bergslagen, Dalarna and North Western Sweden only started in the Viking–Age and the bulk of the colonization happened in the Scandinavian Middle-Ages which started at the end of Viking times.

[Brännvin]

No way I would consider Dalarna's people as culturally, linguistically and historically "western swedes"... Dalarna is inside the yellow!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Scandinavia-12th_century.png/507px-Scandinavia-12th_century.png

[Loki]

No way I would consider Dalarna's people as culturally, linguistically and historically "western swedes"... Dalarna is inside the yellow!


Do you equate Western Swedes with the ancient Götar, and Eastern Swedes with the Svea?

This is turning out to be an interesting discussion. :)

ps: I find that dividing Sweden into East and West does not make much sense geographically, as it is a "slender" country that stretches more North-South than East-West.

[Östsvensk]

Do you equate Western Swedes with the ancient Götar, and Eastern Swedes with the Svea?

This is turning out to be an interesting discussion. :)


Yes, he apparently does. While I equate it with the landscapes bordering to Eastern Norway. :D


ps: I find that dividing Sweden into East and West does not make much sense geographically, as it is a "slender" country that stretches more North-South than East-West.

You might have a point here, I guess.

[Jarl]

ps: I find that dividing Sweden into East and West does not make much sense geographically, as it is a "slender" country that stretches more North-South than East-West.

Steady... you are questioning the Coonian dogma, according to which the fertile valleys of the interior were the refuge to the farming Med-Nordids, stoic, reserved, patriotic and tied to the soil - the embodiment of the true Teutonic spirit.

While the coastal fringes were home to the sea-faring, restless half-neanderthals who got stuck in there, collecting sea-shells, since hunting-gathering times ;)

[Brännvin]

Loki;

Well, if he wants to make a clear "anthropological distinction", so he cannot ignore the historical, cultural and linguistic background facts of the region. Dalarna is part of historical Svealand.


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Östsvensk;

Officially, Dalarna is part of Norra Mellansverige ( Gävleborg, Dalarna och Värmland)

här (http://www.esf.se/esf/templates/Page.aspx?id=1578)

[Östsvensk]

Loki;

Well, if he wants to make a clear "anthropological distinction", so he cannot ignore the historical, cultural and linguistic background facts of the region. Dalarna is part of historical Svealand.


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Östsvensk;

Officially, Dalarna is part of Norra Mellansverige ( Gävleborg, Dalarna och Värmland)

här (http://www.esf.se/esf/templates/Page.aspx?id=1578)

I go after what the old anthropological maps said, which in general are landscapes bordering to Norway. These were the regions with most "Nordic" people. I have never spoken about tribes at all, this is a matter of geographics.

I quote again:


De ljusa delarna på kartan representera de landskap, i vilka mer an 10 % av befolkningen förete rent nordisk typ. De dubbelstreckade landskapen i norr (d.v.s. Lappland, Norr- och Västerbotten) åter ha en befolkning, som är starkt uppblandad. I de tvärstreckade områdena, som utgöras av Gottland, Skåne, Halland, Blekinge och Ängermanland, förekommer också en rätt starkt uppblandad befolkning. I mindre grad gäller detta om de vertikalt streckade landskapen. I stort sett kan man säga, att de delar, som ligga på gränsen mot Norge, ha att uppvisa en renare svensk stam än landets nordliga och sydliga delar samt kusttrakterna i öster, om man frånräknar Södermanland och Öland.

[Anthropos]

I go after what the old anthropological maps said, which in general are landscapes bordering to Norway. These were the regions with most "Nordic" people. I have never spoken about tribes at all, this is a matter of geographics.

I quote again:
But isn't this Lundman's phantasmagorical 'anthropology' according to which blonder meant 'more nordic'? And, again, according to which blonder also meant 'purer Swedish stock'!? The curious thing is that as far as I know Lundman never offered an argument and even less any proof of the dogma on which he laboured repeatedly in creating his typology.

[Brännvin]

Those looks are found everywhere in Sweden. Östsvensk, post photos of people from Bohuslän, Dalsland och Västergötland :p ...

[Duncan]

http://s57.radikal.ru/i157/0912/95/f3efbfa9258c.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

http://s55.radikal.ru/i149/1001/92/069014e49043.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)
http://i020.radikal.ru/1001/5d/10a8290914d9.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)
http://s42.radikal.ru/i097/0912/01/0a9d1d9f9f20.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

http://s47.radikal.ru/i118/0912/58/3bb04190ef16.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru) http://i035.radikal.ru/0912/a2/2f8328443279.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru) http://s11.radikal.ru/i183/0912/34/120a43ee2e76.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

http://i047.radikal.ru/0912/8e/f7f6936786f6.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

http://s46.radikal.ru/i112/0912/31/c69ea174f385.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)
http://s003.radikal.ru/i203/1001/e0/9df2058e0398.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)
http://s48.radikal.ru/i121/1001/9e/48e2763f4344.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)
http://s005.radikal.ru/i211/1001/e0/92f1ffdbad10.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

http://s002.radikal.ru/i200/1001/b7/65d88764c4a3.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

[Bridie]

http://s57.radikal.ru/i157/0912/95/f3efbfa9258c.jpg

I wonder how common it is for Nordids to have these slightly "up-slanting" eyes?

[Agrippa]

I wonder how common it is for Nordids to have these slightly "up-slanting" eyes?

Since other traits are somewhat deviating too, it is an Eastbaltid admixture.

[Pallantides]

http://s57.radikal.ru/i157/0912/95/f3efbfa9258c.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)




I don't know why, but to me he looks like a stereotypical Norwegian.



http://s003.radikal.ru/i203/1001/e0/9df2058e0398.jpg
http://s005.radikal.ru/i211/1001/e0/92f1ffdbad10.jpg


Very Swedish! :D

[Bridie]

Very Swedish! :D
Must be the bleached hair and fake tan. :p

[Agrippa]

http://s005.radikal.ru/i211/1001/e0/92f1ffdbad10.jpg

Has that boy in the red shirt some kind of disease?

The blond guy, guess the hair is colored though, is at least pred. Nordid.

[Pallantides]

Well his natural hair color is most likely darker shade of blond or light brown. He don't strike me as the dark haired type.