Three Cypriot Men - Where Do They Fit In? (POLL)

[MINARDOWICZ]

Where do they fit in?
AS A GROUP, THAT IS!

https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/projects/628344/posts/593374/image-323267-full.jpg?1378704473

http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Hal+Ozsan+Champagne+Launch+5th+Annual+BritWeek+ur8 qme_tv3Kl.jpg

http://hollywood.greekreporter.com/files/2008/04/george-headshot-colour1.jpg

[MINARDOWICZ]

Anyone?

[Hadouken]

1. Turkey
2. Greece I think
3. Southern Italy

[MINARDOWICZ]

1. Turkey
2. Greece I think
3. Southern Italy

How about all three as a group? :p

[Hadouken]

How about all three as a group? :p

probably sicily or something

[MINARDOWICZ]

probably sicily or something

I think they could all pass as Jews though... Some of the darker Ashkenazis (so it would be a bit of a stretch, especially for the 2nd, though the third fits PERFECTLY). compare:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lev7zqWNGc1qfqz3ao1_500.jpg
http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/v2_article_large/public/2012/02/22/237299-sacha-baron-cohen.jpg
http://netdna.tvovermind.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Greg-Grunberg_l1.jpg

[TheBlondeSalad]

The second one looks way too exotic.

[robertsmith]

I think Jersey Shore :chin:

This forum enlightens me a lot about Greeks, Cypriots and Sicilians/S-Italians.

[MINARDOWICZ]

The second one looks way too exotic.

He looks like the midpoint between a Turk and an Ashkenazi jew, does he not? Hahaha!

That being said though... he is not much more exotic than my Calabrese Bisnonno.

[Sikeliot]

First and third look southern Italian.

Second one looks exotic, but not much more than the other two.

[MINARDOWICZ]

First and third look southern Italian.

Second one looks exotic, but not much more than the other two.

I meant to vote Italkim. DAMMNIT! LOL! Oh well, you voted ;).

Anyways, I see that...

The first looks a bit exotic to me as well... but his look does exist in S Italy.

[Roy]

Estonia ... ? :confused:









jk

[wvwvw]

First and third look southern Italian.

Second one looks exotic, but not much more than the other two.

They really don't.

[Sikeliot]

They really don't.

Then what do they look?

[MINARDOWICZ]

They really don't.

Not even the THIRD ONE?!?! Hell, he looks very typical. The first, a lil less.

[Incal]

First and third look southern Italian.

Second one looks exotic, but not much more than the other two.

Looks exotic indeed but I've met a couple of more exotic looking sicilians.

[Sikeliot]

Looks exotic indeed but I've met a couple of more exotic looking sicilians.

Do you think the three people posted here pass there?
The third one is typical to me, the other two not as much but pass as a darker Sicilian.

[MINARDOWICZ]

Looks exotic indeed but I've met a couple of more exotic looking sicilians.

Jim Croce... :p There is one...

[Incal]

Do you think the three people posted here pass there?
The third one is typical to me, the other two not as much but pass as a darker Sicilian.

They could. In Milan I met quite a few.

[roro4721]

#1 looks spanish/italian
#2 looks far too middle eastern/south asian even by armenian standards (guessing he's not too common)
#3 looks like my cousin

[MINARDOWICZ]

#1 looks spanish/italian
#2 looks far too middle eastern/south asian even by armenian standards (guessing he's not too common)
#3 looks like my cousin

LOL bout #3...

But I do not see Spanish as a possibility for #1. WAAAYY too Eastern.

[Sikeliot]

The sister looks normal Sicilian.

[wvwvw]

Not even the THIRD ONE?!?! Hell, he looks very typical. The first, a lil less.

His very dark pigmented eyes make him too exotic for southern italy

[Sikeliot]

His very dark pigmented eyes make him too exotic for southern italy

Then he surely can't pass as a non-Cypriot Greek either.

[MINARDOWICZ]

His very dark pigmented eyes make him too exotic for southern italy

WTF are you talking about?!?!?!

How does dark eyes make him too exotic?!?! There are plenty of S Italians with COMPLETELY black eyes in my family. Mostly the Calabrese side but some even Campanian.

[The King, I am]

Nowhere in Europe

[Sikeliot]

He isn't even exotic at all to be honest, the third guy.

[The King, I am]

WTF are you talking about?!?!?!

How does dark eyes make him too exotic?!?! There are plenty of S Italians with COMPLETELY black eyes in my family. Mostly the Calabrese side but some even Campanian.

+1

[wvwvw]

Then he surely can't pass as a non-Cypriot Greek either.

He can only pass as Cypriot. Something's really off about his face

[Sikeliot]

He can only pass as Cypriot. Something's really off about his face

he looks ordinary to me. the one who doesn't pass well is #2.

[legolasbozo]

the second one "halil özsan", a turkish cypriot. exotic, look like indian american.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=30383&d=1363505109

and resemble another turkish-australian actor deniz akdeniz
46575

[Hellenas]

Average Cypriot Male from Nikosia
http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n606/Hellenas1977/f285f367-bcd7-465b-b622-3b94b394a876_zps72dfe192.jpg
Composite face from the Greek side of the border made by
combining 16 of the individual male faces.

Racial types you can find in Greek part of Cyprus
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/43/fotosr1.gif
http://www.philenews.com/data/2013/04/21/2013_04_21_11_12_43__f43f2491c46e417fa6f5606a89010 5aa.jpg

http://content-mcdn.ethnos.gr/filesystem/images/20100223/low/assets_LARGE_t_420_8619586.JPG

http://www.lifo.gr/uploads/image/476727/7.png.jpg

http://cdn.thebest.gr/media/images/frontNews/mtbioeeeav514f648116fb8.jpg

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/01/25/cyprus2601_wideweb__470x312,0.jpg

http://www.acadimies.gr/files4users/images/2010_new/ethniki/ELLADA_CYPRUS_4-1_.JPG

http://www.parikiaki.com/wp-content/uploads/cyprus-national-team.jpg

http://www.politis-sports.com/sportpics/DSCN0086.jpg

Greeks, Cypriots and Neolithic Mediterranean Farmers Spread Agriculture to Scandinavia

Source: Kathimerini, 28.04.2012 (Translated from Greek and referenced by A.M.)


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Agriculture spread to Europe thousand of years ago from the South to the distant North, with successive steps, according to the Swedish-danish scientific research. The study analysed the DNA of the four [inhabitants of Scandinavia] of the Neolithic period and found that they had many more genes in common with today’s Southern Europeans, as the Greeks, Cypriots the inhabitants of Sardinia, than with any other European people.

The researchers of the Universities of Upsala, Stockholm, and Copenhagen, having at their head Pontus Skoglund and Mattias Jakobsson who published the study in the American journal “Science” according to the French Agency and “Nature”, analysed using new developed techniques, the genetic material that they took from the skeletons of one farmer and three hunter-gatherers, who had been discovered in Sweden and are dated to about 5000 years from the present. The two distinct civilisations, one agricultural and one of hunter-gatherers, coexisted for about 1000 years at a distance of about 400 km, the first in the Swedish hinterland and the second on the island of Gotland, south of Stockholm.

By comparing the DNA of these people of the Stone Age with the DNA of modern populations of Europe, the team found that, from a genetic point of view, the hunter-gatherers were less developed and had a greater relation with the Northern populations – especially the inhabitants of today’s Finland, while the farmer had a very close genetic relationship with today’s Mediterranean populations, especially Cypriots and Greeks.

This discovery by the Scandinavian scientists shows that the ancient farmers transported their agricultural knowledge and technique from the South to the rest of Europe, up to the frozen North, where they finally mingled with the indigenous populations, while teaching them how to grow their food rather than hunt and gather fruits.

As Skoglund stated, the genetic findings reveal that agriculture spread to the whole of Europe by people who live in the Mediterranean and this happened through migratory waves and not just by the cultural transmission of agricultural knowledge from mouth to mouth. “If farming had spread only as a cultural process, we would not find a farmer in the North who has such a genetic relation to the Southern populations”, declared the Swedish scientist.

The Scandinavian research illuminates a longstanding dispute among scientists concerning the way that farming reached Europe from the Middle East, where it appeared approximately 11000 years ago. At about 3000 B.C. farming had already spread to the greater part of Europe. The basic dispute concerns the way that the transition from the hunter-gatherer lifestyle to that of farmer, and whether farming spread through the migration of farmers or if just ideas and the agricultural know-how spread slowly from civilisation to civilisation. The new study gives more weight to the first view, confirming previous DNA analyses, which had found similar indications about the migration of people themselves from the Mediterranean, who brought their farming knowledge with them.

Furthermore earlier this year scientists published almost all of the genome of “Ötzi”, the Neolotic mummy that was discovered in the Alp in 1991. In this case as well, the genetic analysis shows a very possible Mediterranean origin.

Abstract from Science, 27.04.2012: Origins and Genetic Legacy of Neolithic Farmers and Hunter-Gatherers in Europe

The farming way of life originated in the Near East some 11,000 years ago and had reached most of the European continent 5000 years later. However, the impact of the agricultural revolution on demography and patterns of genomic variation in Europe remains unknown. We obtained 249 million base pairs of genomic DNA from ~5000-year-old remains of three hunter-gatherers and one farmer excavated in Scandinavia and find that the farmer is genetically most similar to extant southern Europeans, contrasting sharply to the hunter-gatherers, whose distinct genetic signature is most similar to that of extant northern Europeans. Our results suggest that migration from southern Europe catalyzed the spread of agriculture and that admixture in the wake of this expansion eventually shaped the genomic landscape of modern-day Europe.

http://archaeologymatters2.blogspot.gr/2012/04/greeks-cypriots-and-neolithic.html#


http://www.hellasontheweb.org/images/stories/history/Hist/2012A/prehistoric-farmers.jpg
Hunter-gatherer skeletons excavated in Sweden, including these remains of a young woman, have provided genetic evidence that these groups mated with nearby farmers who arrived from southern Europe around 5,000 years ago. Credit: Goran Burenhult.

http://www.flashnews.gr/Image.ashx?fid=99498

[Hadouken]

Composite face from the Greek side of the border made by
combining 16 of the individual male faces.


16 ? wow so many ? :eek: :lol:

seriously why dont they (when they do morphs in general) take more individuals when trying to determine average faces

[Han Cholo]

Looks Argentinian:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/projects/628344/posts/593374/image-323267-full.jpg?1378704473

[Han Cholo]

the second one "halil özsan", a turkish cypriot. exotic, look like indian american.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=30383&d=1363505109

and resemble another turkish-australian actor deniz akdeniz
46575

Looks like me a bit.

[Hellenas]

16 ? wow so many ? :eek: :lol:

seriously why dont they (when they do morphs in general) take more individuals when trying to determine average faces

16 individuals are just fine I think.

[Tooting Carmen]

They could be Jews.

[MINARDOWICZ]

16 ? wow so many ? :eek: :lol:

seriously why dont they (when they do morphs in general) take more individuals when trying to determine average faces

It is great but hard to do... Trust me. It is hard to find 16 or more Ethnic Cypriots with a picture right for morphing, believe it or not. Doable though ;). Then plotting the face takes time.