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Beorn
01-16-2010, 04:00 PM
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Most people in Scotland are not convinced that independence would improve their lives.

However most want devolution to go further than some of the proposals put forward by the Calman Commission, the Scottish Social Attitudes survey said.

The survey found that about a third of Scots think independence would have a negative effect on Scotland's economy, and around another third think independence would make no difference or are unsure what effect it would have.
Around three in 10 people believe independence would improve the Scottish economy.
Similarly the majority of those questioned did not think independence would increase the standard of education in Scotland.

Around one in 10 thought independence would reduce education standards but more than half (60%) thought it would either make no difference or were not sure what the impact would be.

Around a third thought independence would increase the standard of Scottish education.
However around six in 10 people believe independence would increase the amount of pride they have in Scotland.
Overall support for independence remains low, at 28%, compared with 56% backing more devolution.

Six in 10 people believe the Scottish Parliament should take most of the important decisions on welfare benefits, which will remain reserved to Westminster under Calman.
Similarly, 59% say the same about taxation. Under Calman most decisions relating to tax will still be reserved.

John Curtice, research consultant to the Scottish Centre for Social Research which conducted the survey, said: "It would seem that neither of the major options currently being backed by the parties in Scotland can satisfy the aspirations of a majority of people in Scotland.
"Rather it seems that some version of devolution-max would have the best chance of achieving that objective."

The research showed that people in Scotland appear to be more pessimistic about the perceived consequences of independence than they were about devolution at the time of the 1997 referendum.

Then, 71% thought that devolution would improve the quality of education, while 64% thought it would result in a stronger economy.
The Scottish Social Attitudes survey was conducted between late April and early September 2009 and questioned 1,482 people resident in Scotland.

The Scottish Government hopes to have a referendum on independence later this year.

And a spokesman for First Minister Alex Salmond said the findings were "positive and going in the right direction for Scotland".
He added: "They show that after a decade of devolution, there is now a clear and consistent demand for further constitutional progress for Scotland and extending the powers of the Parliament."

The spokesman went on: "The debate in Scotland is no longer between change or no change - it is about the kind of change we seek, and the right of the people to choose their future in a free and fair referendum."

He also said: "The vast majority of people want to extend the responsibilities of the Parliament far beyond the Calman Commission recommendations.
"The vast majority of people want Scotland's Parliament to have the full economic and financial clout needed to fight recession, support recovery, and build a fair society."

Labour leader Iain Gray said the survey showed most Scots did not back independence.
Mr Gray said: "The great majority of Scots are not interested in independence. Well less than a third, only 28% in this poll, are interested in independence and this is bad news for Alex Salmond and the SNP."

He added: "It also reflects Labour was right to set up the Calman Commission to address further improvements to devolution."
And Tory leader Annabel Goldie said the survey was "further evidence that independence is a minority aspiration".

Miss Goldie called on Mr Salmond to "ditch his independence bill, save the taxpayer Ł12 million and get on with helping Scotland weather the worst of Labour's recession".


Source (http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/politics/most-scots-not-enthusiastic-for-independence-survey-1.998871?localLinksEnabled=false)

December
01-17-2010, 10:02 PM
According to your other post (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12350), no wonder they feel okay in the U.K. :D

Albion
04-06-2010, 10:46 AM
Yeah, because they know which side their bread is buttered and who subsidies Scotland (ahem, England).

Wulfhere
04-06-2010, 10:50 AM
They want their cake and eat it. Without massive EU subsidy (i.e., from England amongst other places), an independent Scotland simply wouldn't be viable. Unlike, say Mercia, which has enough resources and productive land to feed its 16 million population.

Albion
04-06-2010, 11:34 AM
They want their cake and eat it. Without massive EU subsidy (i.e., from England amongst other places), an independent Scotland simply wouldn't be viable. Unlike, say Mercia, which has enough resources and productive land to feed its 16 million population.

It does? That's good to know. London is a pretty big burden on the south's few resources I've always thought.
I belive Northumbria (NE, NW, Yorks + Cheshire) has a population of 14 million as well so its similar, but with less farmland and more mineral resources.

Wulfhere
04-06-2010, 11:49 AM
It does? That's good to know. London is a pretty big burden on the south's few resources I've always thought.
I belive Northumbria (NE, NW, Yorks + Cheshire) has a population of 14 million as well so its similar, but with less farmland and more mineral resources.

Without London to suck all our produce into its ever-growing maw, Mercia, Northumbria, Wessex and East Anglia would each be self-sufficient in food, and would have abundant other resources too.

Murphy
04-06-2010, 05:56 PM
I hardly blame them. One bastard in parliament or another isn't going to change much of the day-to-day lives of the people, except perhaps for the worse.

Germanicus
04-06-2010, 08:20 PM
The Conservatives started the ball rolling by sticking the tongue out and licking the arse of Scottish voters by returning the "stone of Scone"
By this action Votes were needed.
The Stone was won in battle and should never have been returned.

In 1296 the Stone was captured by Edward I as spoils of war and taken to Westminster Abbey, where it was fitted into a wooden chair, known as King Edward's Chair, on which most subsequent English sovereigns have been crowned. Doubtless by this he intended to symbolise his claim to be "Lord Paramount" of Scotland with right to oversee its King. Underlining this symbolism, he once referred to the Stone contemptuously as a 'turd'

My own thoughts are well known....Let Scotland leave the Union..:)

Albion
04-06-2010, 08:31 PM
The Conservatives started the ball rolling by sticking the tongue out and licking the arse of Scottish voters by returning the "stone of Scone"
By this action Votes were needed.
The Stone was won in battle and should never have been returned.
In 1296 the Stone was captured by Edward I as spoils of war and taken to Westminster Abbey, where it was fitted into a wooden chair, known as King Edward's Chair, on which most subsequent English sovereigns have been crowned. Doubtless by this he intended to symbolise his claim to be "Lord Paramount" of Scotland with right to oversee its King. Underlining this symbolism, he once referred to the Stone contemptuously as a 'turd'
My own thoughts are well known....Let Scotland leave the Union..:)
I'm not sure about the stone's status and frankly it doesn't really bother me that much.
However I agree with you on Scottish independece - let them go and have an independent England.

Dalriada
04-06-2010, 10:03 PM
Most people I know are openly hostile to the idea of breaking up the UK, so this news doesn't suprise me at all.

Murphy
04-06-2010, 10:06 PM
Most people I know are openly hostile to the idea of breaking up the UK, so this news doesn't suprise me at all.

That's because the people you know are those type who applaud when 7 year old girls are called whores and exposed to porn' on their way to school in the morning.

Dalriada
04-06-2010, 10:08 PM
That's because the people you know are those type who applaud when 7 year old girls are called whores and exposed to porn' on their way to school in the morning.

You've completely lost me, Declan.

NationalConservative
06-14-2010, 01:33 PM
The ae trew Republicans an promuivers o Unthirldom fae the UK is the Scots Socialist Pairty (SSP)- the SNP promuives Unthirldom an aw bit they are bumbaiselt aboot it acause England an Scotland haes the same monarchie. This haed brocht creeticism fae the SSP in their General Election Manifesto for 2005.

Ibericus
06-14-2010, 01:35 PM
The ae trew Republicans an promuivers o Unthirldom fae the UK is the Scots Socialist Pairty (SSP)- the SNP promuives Unthirldom an aw bit they are bumbaiselt aboot it acause England an Scotland haes the same monarchie. This haed brocht creeticism fae the SSP in their General Election Manifesto for 2005.
Why some of you write such bad english ?

Pallantides
06-14-2010, 01:40 PM
Why some of you write such bad english ?

8IKnv0QIemw

Ibericus
06-14-2010, 01:45 PM
8IKnv0QIemw

Yes, I knew it was because of the accent, but it is quite stupid to write as you speak, if you have the accent why change the english grammar ? Just read it with your accent, there is no need to change writing , poor english language

NationalConservative
06-14-2010, 01:50 PM
Why some of you write such bad english ?

Tae pit yer speirin ower, "Whit wey daes a puckle o ye scrieve that baud English?" Naw, it isna English, it is Scots. It is alike tae Catalan that is spaken tae a Castillian an it isna baud aether.

Ibericus
06-14-2010, 01:54 PM
OK sorry my ignorance. Scots looks similar to english

Wulfhere
06-14-2010, 04:10 PM
OK sorry my ignorance. Scots looks similar to english

That's because it is English - a dialect thereof. Any dialect could be written in phonetic spelling, but doing so would look very stupid.

NationalConservative
06-14-2010, 08:37 PM
That's because it is English - a dialect thereof. Any dialect could be written in phonetic spelling, but doing so would look very stupid.

Scots: That's acause it is English- a byleid syne. Onie byleid cud be scrieven in phonetic spellin, bit daein that wad leuk gye glaickit

Seein as baith Swadish an Deins is Norn bit jist byleids an aw.

Murphy
06-14-2010, 08:48 PM
Will you please stop using a written form of English that even I don't understand, NC? Hardly any Scot would right enough. We're taught how to read and write in proper English and when most write in Scots I assure you it amounts to very little more than text-speak.

NationalConservative
06-14-2010, 09:12 PM
That's because it is English - a dialect thereof. Any dialect could be written in phonetic spelling, but doing so would look very stupid.

Tae be fair, we shuid commune this on ane o the ither threids that A hae daen.

This is fae the Scots Online that speaks aboot whuther it is a leid or byleid an it gies twa ensaumples o twa ither European leids:

NORN:
Kan ikke brukes i forbindelse med dimme utstyr eller elektronisk av og pĺ mekanismer. Ikke egnet til bruk i helt lukkede armaturer.

DEINS:
Kan ikke bruges i forbindelse med lysdćmper og elektronisk tćnd-sluk-ur. Ikke egnet til helt lukkede armaturer.

CZECH:
Nevhodné pre stmievanie, elektronické spínanie, pre fotobunky. Casové spínanie a senzory snímania intenzity svetla. Nevhodné prevádzkovat‘ v úplne uzavretých svietidlách.

SLOVAK:
Nevhodné pro stmívání, elektronické spínání, pro fotobunky. Casoá zarízeni a stmívací cidla. Nevhodné k použití do hermeticky uzavrených svítidel.

ENGLISH:
Can not be used in conjunction with dimmers or electronic equipment on and off mechanisms. Not suitable for use in totally enclosed fixtures.

SCOTS:
Cannae be uised in jynt wi dimmers or electronic graith on an aff intimmers. Nae suitable for tae be uised in likelie haudit stells.

Treffie
06-14-2010, 10:09 PM
Will you please stop using a written form of English that even I don't understand, NC? Hardly any Scot would right enough. We're taught how to read and write in proper English and when most write in Scots I assure you it amounts to very little more than text-speak.

I can understand it - I wouldn't have a clue how to write it though. NC is just practicing his Scots skills (showoff ) :p

Murphy
06-14-2010, 10:30 PM
I can understand it - I wouldn't have a clue how to write it though. NC is just practicing his Scots skills (showoff ) :p

I'd be more impressed if he could do so on Skype.

Graham
06-15-2010, 05:58 PM
8IKnv0QIemw

hehe a miss chewin' the fat. There's fuckall scottish comedys now a days. All pish

NationalConservative
06-15-2010, 08:46 PM
Is there a powe that is speirin fowk if they are wantin Scots unthirldom, unionism or devolution? Acause thon wad be fair important gin there war ane.