Classify these two Germanics and a Nordic beauty.

[Pallantides]

Heinrich Himmler
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ys4yaY-ijmk/Shec0UrtUoI/AAAAAAAAAEQ/EqXOdQOo3rM/s400/Heinrich_Himmler.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146II-783,_Heinrich_Himmler.jpg
http://naziwarcrimes.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/heinrich-himmler.jpg
http://www.sannhistorie.net/bilder/tredjeriket/himmler.jpg

Tom Kaulitz
http://www.tokio-hotel.cz/images/tokio-hotel-tom-kaulitz-2.jpg
http://i774.photobucket.com/albums/yy29/electricxxxheart/2cckpdujpg.png
http://i774.photobucket.com/albums/yy29/electricxxxheart/ParisSept2200919.jpg
http://i774.photobucket.com/albums/yy29/electricxxxheart/ParisSept2200923.jpg
http://i774.photobucket.com/albums/yy29/electricxxxheart/l_87a610e1bc3c4e65aa8c2459b9e00c1b.jpg

Björk
http://unit.bjork.com/specials/pics/colour/bjork-newpromoshoot02.jpg
http://www.wagggsworld.org/shared/uploads/wysiwyg/Image/wagggs/issues/global%20action%20days/iwd/bjoerk.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff168/josmepic/bjorktop1.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj251/firrehawwk/STARS/bd56.jpg

[Wulfhere]

Unlike a lot of Germans, Himmler could pass as English.

[Pallantides]

Himmler looks like my doctor who is from Vestlandet.:D

[Wulfhere]

Scandinavians - Danes especially but Norwegians too - are a lot more similar to the English in physical terms than many Germans. Not surprising given the original homeland of the Angles, plus the later Danish settlements. Even today, I read somewhere, Danish DNA is indistinguishable from English.

Which is ironic given that linguistically, English is closer to German.

[Loki]

Even today, I read somewhere, Danish DNA is indistinguishable from English.


No, I think you mistook it for Anglo-Saxon DNA traces being indistinguishable from Danish traces resulting from the Danelaw influence in Eastern England. In other words, the Germanic markers found in modern English people (mostly from Eastern England) cannot be divided into Danish or Anglo-Saxon origins, as they have the same markers. It does not mean that the average modern Englishman is indistinguishable from the modern Dane genetically.

[SuuT]

Himmler: Alpinid

Little gay dude: West Baltid

Björk: East Baltid

[Wulfhere]

No, I think you mistook it for Anglo-Saxon DNA traces being indistinguishable from Danish traces resulting from the Danelaw influence in Eastern England. In other words, the Germanic markers found in modern English people (mostly from Eastern England) cannot be divided into Danish or Anglo-Saxon origins, as they have the same markers. It does not mean that the average modern Englishman is indistinguishable from the modern Dane genetically.

Depends on what you mean by Englishman... I take your point though - those from western areas do indeed have some Celtic DNA. However, the report I read was talking about such things as sperm banks, chosen to be indistinguishable from the host population.

[Pallantides]

Himmler: Alpinid

Little gay dude: West Baltid

Björk: East Baltid

The question is are they racially suspicous? :D

[Wulfhere]

The question is are they racially suspicous? :D

I always thought that Bjork looked like she had a bit of Eskimo in her, from Greenland perhaps.

[Pallantides]

I always thought that Bjork looked like she had a bit of Eskimo in her, from Greenland perhaps.

Maybe she has some distant Sami ancestry?
some Vikings did take Sami wives.

[SuuT]

The question is are they racially suspicous? :D

I have my suspicions about the 13th chromosome all of them. ... And possibly Björk's 7th.

:wink

[Wulfhere]

Maybe she has some distant Sami ancestry?
some Vikings did take Sami wives.

Conceivably.

[Äike]

Little gay dude: West Baltid

Compare:
http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/Paul_von_Hindenburg.jpg
http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/vaira.jpg
http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/andrisberzins.jpg
http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/rgbaltid004.jpg
http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/baltid01.JPG


Björk: East Baltid

More like eskimo+Icelandic.

Btw, East-Baltids in Iceland... I doubt that any exist, considering the ancestry of Icelanders.

[Pallantides]

Tom Kaulitz look more western and he has darker pigmentation than most baltids
maybe Alpine-med.

[Falkata]

Bjork always looked really exotic to me , I think she has skimo ancestry too. I mean, come on, I´ve seen eurasians who look more european than her :D

[Pallantides]

I dunno maybe it's just a weird combination... her mother does look a bit like a Sami

her mother and father
http://img.index.hu/cikkepek/200210/kultura/smallkaribu1
http://www.dv.is/media/news/story/image/gumundur_gunnarsson_jpg_550x400_q95.jpg


Some Norwegian woman with 'Björkid' looks:
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/The%20Borgen%20Collection/borgen454.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/The%20Borgen%20Collection/borgen513.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/The%20Borgen%20Collection/borgen540.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/The%20Borgen%20Collection/borgen553.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/The%20Borgen%20Collection/borgen634.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/The%20Borgen%20Collection/borgen56.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/The%20Borgen%20Collection/borgen113.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/The%20Borgen%20Collection/borgen202.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/The%20Borgen%20Collection/borgen281.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/The%20Borgen%20Collection/borgen319.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/The%20Borgen%20Collection/borgen379.jpg

My own paternal grandmother also had a slight resemblence to Björk when she was a young woman.

[Lars]

Haha wtf that boy looks like crap.

[Pallantides]

Haha wtf that boy looks like crap.

He is a wigger in a shitty German boyband...what do you expect.:D

[Brännvin]

None of those Norwegian women has the 'Björkid' look. Would be Björk an exceptional case of genetic atavism?

[Majar]

http://i50.tinypic.com/10wmy2s.jpg

Björk looks like an atypical Norwegian + an atypical Irish (here's some old and rare photos of her: official fan page (http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewAlbums&friendID=431077099)). I don't think her pixie/elf look is so strange considering her ancestry. Icelanders are very Upper Paleolithic from what I have seen, and it is well known some UP types can have pseudo-mongoloid or even pseudo-negroid traits. The environment and lifestyle of the far north certainly favors the UP body type over the slender, willowy Hallstatt frame. The Inuit theory of her looks has one major flaw: Inuit never were in Iceland to mix with the locals. Björk has epicanthic folds (http://www.style.com/slideshows/standalone/beauty/icon/042007ICON/01m.jpg) but her overall bone structure (http://www.interviewmagazine.com/files/2009/05/21/img-bjork-fig-1_110739349400.jpg) is clearly Europid, maybe proto-Europid (http://www.alwaysontherun.net/bjorktop5.jpg)?

Put some Icelandic names (http://www.halfdan.is/vestur/nofn.htm) into Google Image Search (http://images.google.com/imghp?hl=en&tab=wi). I see UP-Nordid types mainly.

[Äike]

http://i50.tinypic.com/10wmy2s.jpg
I don't think her pixie/elf look is so strange considering her ancestry. Icelanders are very Upper Paleolithic from what I have seen, and it is well known some UP types can have pseudo-mongoloid or even pseudo-negroid traits. The environment and lifestyle of the far north certainly favors the UP body type over the slender, willowy Hallstatt frame. ?

Your argument is logical, but is ~1000 years(human habitation of Iceland) enough time for such environmental adaption(evolution) to take place?

[Loki]

Björk has epicanthic folds (http://www.style.com/slideshows/standalone/beauty/icon/042007ICON/01m.jpg)

http://www.style.com/slideshows/standalone/beauty/icon/042007ICON/01m.jpg

Wow interesting ... if I'd have come across someone like that on the London Underground I'd be convinced she was half Chinese/Japanese.

[Pallantides]

I think she looks rather infantilized, there is an almost child like quality to her looks.

[Brännvin]

I don't think her pixie/elf look is so strange considering her ancestry. Icelanders are very Upper Paleolithic from what I have seen, and it is well known some UP types can have pseudo-mongoloid or even pseudo-negroid traits.

Bullshit! Has been in Iceland?

Otherwise your argument is completely invalid.

Björk is totally exotic even to Iceland. Post me 100 photos of Icelanders similar to Björk, then we can talk... about it! :thumb001:

[Majar]

Björk is totally exotic even to Iceland. Post me 100 photos of Icelanders similar to Björk, then we can talk... about it! :thumb001:

If I did this I would have so-and-so saying "Oh, those aren't native Icelanders, they're foreign." Björk is 100% Icelandic, if she wasn't she would say so. I imagine she would be quite proud to proclaim to the world her Inuit ancestry if she had any. By all accounts she is very proud of her Viking heritage and her singing style reflects it. :cool:


Iceland...I see UP-Nordid types mainly.

I don't believe Björk is typical at all, she's just an extreme case of a type found (usually in much dilution) amongst Northern & Celtic people.
I can maybe make a thread about it. I do think she is less exotic than some people make her out to be. She darkens her hair artificially and has a habit of wearing East Asian garb, squinting her eyes for effect. :p

[Smaug]

Himmler: Alpinid
-Nothing really exotic about him

Kaulitz: Baltid
-This one looks weird. Almost a black, but perhaps it's just his style...

Björk: Lappoid
-I disagree with East-Baltid, she looks more Lappish. I believe the explanation to her exotic look is that Iceland was settled by Norsemen coming from Scandinavia, and there's a high chance that her ancestors were already mixed with Uralic populations before going to Iceland. She can't be Eskimo simply because Iceland was never inhabited by the Eskimo people. The only records we have of people living in Pre-Norse Iceland is about Irish monks, who left the island when the Scandinavians arrived.

[The Exiled King]

With Bjork and a lot of Icelandics in general having an Asiatic appearance, this can be explained by three things really.

1. Vikings taking Inuits from Greenland back to Iceland.
2. The indigenous Mesolithic peoples of the North would have been fairly tan with Asiatic eyes (Epicanthic Eye Folds) before de-pigmenting and merging with the Indo-European peoples.
3. She could have some Saami (Uralic) ancestry brought over by the Norwegian Vikings.

[Food]

They're all ugly.

[Smaug]

With Bjork and a lot of Icelandics in general having an Asiatic appearance, this can be explained by three things really.

1. Vikings taking Inuits from Greenland back to Iceland.
2. The indigenous Mesolithic peoples of the North would have been fairly tan with Asiatic eyes (Epicanthic Eye Folds) before de-pigmenting and merging with the Indo-European peoples.
3. She could have some Saami (Uralic) ancestry brought over by the Norwegian Vikings.

I believe the third is more plausible. There are no evidences of peopling in Iceland before the Irish Monks. And, although Vikings really mixed with some indigenous populations in North America and the Greenland Island, what can be comproved by the presence of Norse DNA in nowadays Inuits, It's hard to believe they would take them from an Island to another.

There are records in the Norse Sagas of sex between the Norsemen and Inuit females, and in Vinland, Canada, some Viking artifacts were found. Greenland appears in Viking maps from this time, so, they were spread throughout that area.

[The Exiled King]

I believe the third is more plausible. There are no evidences of peopling in Iceland before the Irish Monks. And, although Vikings really mixed with some indigenous populations in North America and the Greenland Island, what can be comproved by the presence of Norse DNA in nowadays Inuits, It's hard to believe they would take them from an Island to another.

There are records in the Norse Sagas of sex between the Norsemen and Inuit females, and in Vinland, Canada, some Viking artifacts were found. Greenland appears in Viking maps from this time, so, they were spread throughout that area.

They did take some Inuits back to Iceland as "Thralls" or slaves. The Mesolithic people of the North I was referring to would be the indigenous Haplogroup I people whose phenotypical elements Norwegian Vikings would have brought over to Iceland when they settled there, of course they are already an Indo-European group at this time but Mesolithic phenotypes are found mostly in Scandinavia.

[Smaug]

They did take some Inuits back to Iceland as "Thralls" or slaves. The Mesolithic people of the North I was referring to would be the indigenous Haplogroup I people whose phenotypical elements Norwegian Vikings would have brought over to Iceland when they settled there, of course they are already an Indo-European group at this time but Mesolithic phenotypes are found mostly in Scandinavia.

Yes, I see. But what people believe mostly now (at least based on what I read through these years) is that the natives of Scandinavia belonged to the Borreby type, so it wouldn't explain Björk's exotic traits. Even if you are a follower of the Finno-Ugric Substratum Theory, it still doesn't explain her appearence. Scandinavian Uralids don't look so Asian like her, but of all the theories, I guess it's the best one.

[Pallantides]

Anyway why did someone bump a two year old joke thread?
Also Björk don't look asian at all:confused:



Imho Björk have a much more true Mesolithic appearance than any Borreby, also any Saami ancestry Björk would be so diluded it wouldn't really matter, besides most Saami look rather simillar to other Scandinavian peoples.

[Smaug]

I just bumped it because a friend asked me to classify them, sorry =p

[Ianus]

Himmler: Alpine

Kaulitz: Atlantomed+CM, but i'm not sure

Bjiork: Lappoid

[Kalimtari]

young Himmler had a J. Lennon vibe

[Visitor_22]

I heard Himmler was a jew,

[Sharkeatpeople]

Alpine
Atlanto-Alpine
Lapp

[Ctwentysevenj]

This is Tom Kaulitz's brother Bill Kaulitz. They are from Leipzig
http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/9100000/bill-bill-kaulitz-9120789-672-833.jpg
http://veronicakclarkhistorian.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/veronica-clark-historian-fave-bill-kaulitz-2007-1.jpg