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Yehiel

05-04-2014, 01:49 PM

FTDNA is updating population finder, I am looking forward to this update. I have seen a few results and it is a MAJOR improvement from the last one... Post your results here when they start coming in.

Click on the spoiler for the new population descriptions for those who have not seen them.

European Northlands
The European Northlands centers on the people of Scandinavia. They thought of their homeland as an island because it is relatively isolated from the rest of the world by the Baltic and other seas. This isolation and later association with the Finnic peoples, however, have changed them in ways that are genetically clear. A sister cluster to European Coastal Plain and European Coastal Islands, the European Northland has developed in moderate seclusion, influenced by the arctic heritage it shares with those from the North Circumpolar cluster.
Its history is rooted in the original hunters of Europe and the late arrival of farmers only about 5,000 years ago. Members of this cluster are kin to other Europeans of the north. The migrations of the Norse spread the European Northlands west and east. As the Vikings expanded from the south of Scandinavia, European Northlands absorbed Lapps and other people who were exemplars of North Circumpolar. An expansion over the past 2,000 years has brought this heritage from the nearer shores of continental and Atlantic Europe, all the way to the plains of the Dakotas in the United States.

European Coastal Plain
The European Coastal Plain combines nearly all of the threads of European genetic history into one. This cluster goes from the Bay of Biscay near Spain, toward the Pripet Marshes of western Russia, to the coastal plain of Northern Europe. The hunter-gatherer, farmer, and intruder from the steppes were forged together as one people. The French and the German were created by the intersection between the civilized and the barbarian during antiquity. With this diverse ancestry across the uniform plain, a relatively unified cluster was born.
European Coastal Plain represents the diverse groups brought together over the past 5,000 years, as Germans, Celts, and Slavs have moved in with their cattle, and the Romans brought their mills and cities. This cluster is common among many populations with Northern European heritage. Germanic migrations after the fall of Rome guaranteed its presence in the south. The people on the European Coastal Plain are at the heart of recent history. Being the engines behind the Great Powers of the age, they became the dominant actors in colonization of the world.

European Coastal Islands
European Coastal Islands is typical to the British Isles, especially Ireland. Its reach includes all European Islands from the far north and down south to the Azores Islands off the coast of Spain. The continuous mixing of European populations means that this group is also present in lesser amounts on the mainland. Genetically close to European Coastal Plain and European Northlands, European Coastal Islands has had an impact on the demography of the world because of the explosion of population in the Anglosphere over the past few centuries.
The farmers came to Britain late, but when they came they brought great change. The hunters were assimilated by the farmer. This admixture caused the European Coastal Islands as we know it to become a hybrid of farmer and hunter. Perhaps due to its isolation and strategic placement, the major powers in the world and throughout history have wanted to rule the islands. From Caesar to the Irish king Niall of the Nine Hostages, we see the wide variety of genetic influence from the Celts, Picts, Vikings, Normans and French.

North Circumpolar
The world is not such a wide place at the top and the bottom. The North Circumpolar cluster began around the arctic as hunter-gatherer peoples. They have carried their genes down to the modern era. The North Circumpolar stretches from Lappland east to Greenland. Though genetically diverse, the root of many of these populations is a genetic signature found most often in Finnic peoples.
These are the descendants of hunter-gatherers who withstood the push of the farmers. They adapted, and flourished, in a new age. Like the Bering Expansion, this cluster goes beyond conventional divisions, and has clear connections with both east and west. Even the New World is connected to North Circumpolar due to their shared kinship with ancient Siberia.
Humans pushed into the deep north only within the last 30,000 years, going where no Neanderthal had dared. With connections to populations in the south, the northerners maintained long term lateral connections and developed a coherence as the ice retreated. North Circumpolar has its roots with Saami hunters and fishers, as well as Uralic, Russian, Swedish, and even Scandinavian ancestries.

North Mediterranean
The North Mediterranean cluster is a distinct European cluster. It is situated in the southwest of Europe from Spain to Greece. Its people are a mix of the first hunter-gatherers to reach Europe and later migrations from Western Eurasia. There were two waves into the area: first the farmers of the Middle East and later the Roman Empire.
A long history of traveling merchants and seafarers shaped this group. The great empires of Rome and Greece brought it to distant lands. They also brought a second wave of Western Eurasian influence into the cluster. Its modern geography speaks to the history of those who moved, either willingly or in chains, under the Roman Empire. Because of this, the cluster's signature is strongest in the western part of the Mediterranean. It is particularly strong on the isolated island of Sardinia. It reaches upwards to the British Islands, as well as east into modern Turkey.
They have the same genetic origin as those who reached north to what is now Sweden. While the culture survived there, the genetic signature was largely replaced by later migrations.

Trans-Ural Peneplain
The Trans-Ural Peneplain is the dominant group between the tundra and the steppe in Eurasia’s northwest. They come from the area where the North European Coastal Plain joins the forests of Central Siberia. This ancestry is seen across many Eurasian groups. It is most often associated with Slavic and Baltic cultures. It has deep connections with the migrations of nomads from the steppes in Iran, who also carried evidence of the Eurasian Heartland. It is fundamentally European as it faces east, and expands outward from there.
Trans-Ural Peneplain are mostly the same hunter-gatherers who moved north and became the North Circumpolar people. Their ancestors married and had families with the farmers who pushed out of the Near East, and associated with the Anatolian Crossroads cluster. The Trans-Ural Peneplain is a combination of Middle Eastern farmer, Western European hunter, and Siberian nomad.
Recorded history tells us that many cultures have a part in this cluster, such as the Slavs, Germans, Polish, Bohemians, Bulgarians, Russians, Scandinavians, and Finnish.

Jewish Diaspora
The Jewish Diaspora cluster has been scattered around the world because of the demands of history. Their ancestry is rooted in the ancient Near East, but the Jewish Diaspora has combined during its history with a European heritage.
While Judaism is a religion, the Jewish people are also a nation. Modern Jews have diversified into numerous branches, such as the Ashkenazi, Sephardi, and Mizrahi, as well as odds and ends such as the Bene and Beta Israel. Unifying many of these populations are genetic commonalities, likely resulting from a common Middle Eastern ancestry. This combination of Middle Eastern and European is found in other groups, and many of them exhibit signatures of Jewish Diaspora, but it is not common descent.
The Jewish Diaspora puts a particular focus on the Ashkenazi Jews, who are the majority of the world’s Jewish population today. Derived from populations located within Central Europe, these Jews are now scattered across the world, with the largest concentrations in Israel and the United States.

Eurasian Heartland
Eurasian Heartland can be found across a large band in the center of the Eurasian continent. It travels from the north of Europe south toward the narrow base of the Indian subcontinent. Within South Asia, it is the partner to the Indian Tectonic cluster. Across the center of Eurasia, it highlights the ancient influence of the Iranian nomads, Scythians, Sarmatians, and Cimmerians.
As early farmers moved west out of the hills of the Levant nearly 10,000 years ago, they mostly went into Europe and North Africa. The ancestors of the Eurasian Heartland, however, cautiously explored their possibilities to the east. They came into the light of history as the Persians, Sogdians, and Afghans, and have always had a hand on the turning points of history between the west and the east.
With the movement of millions from the Indian subcontinent, Eurasian Heartland has appeared in the Pacific, the New World, and Southeast Asia. Millions of displaced Afghans have also brought it west into Iran, and reinforced it in Pakistan.

East Asian Coastal Islands
The great rice cultures from Shanghai south to the islands of Indonesia are the center of East Asian Coastal Islands. This cluster belongs to the Burmans, Thai, Khmer, and Vietnamese, who live in the bottomlands of mainland Southeast Asia. They have moved south, east, and west out of Taiwan and into Oceania, Madagascar, and even as far as Easter Island. This cluster may also be found along the edges of South Asia, and north among the peoples of the Yellow River Plain because of the migrations of the Han Chinese.
Close to Asian Northeast, East Asian Coastal Islands is the result of the arrival of farmers to Southeast Asia and brave sailors to the Indian and Pacific Oceans. In China, it is a substantial presence found alongside Asian Northeast. East Asian Coastal Islands defines a north-south axis of ancestry and kinship. The cluster absorbed its genetic ancestry from the indigenous populations and is a close sister to Asian Northeast. As the refugees of the Chinese Diaspora escape the chaos of Southeast Asia, this cluster continues to spread into the rest of the world.

Asian Northeast
Asian Northeast has a deep ancestry and is home to the first settlers of Eastern Eurasia. This is a widespread population, found in China, Japan, Korea, Siberia, and even in New World Amerindian populations. This cluster characterizes people from a wide variety of backgrounds, including grain farmers nestled against the shores of the East China Sea and warriors who survived the cold deserts of Mongolia. It flows south with the journeys of the Han and the Tibetans, and west with the gallop of the horses of the Turks.
History tells us that this cluster was isolated and developed by itself, beginning about 40,000 years ago. The primary populations were hunters, herders, and later, farmers. Connections to the populations from the West are only in the last 5,000 years. This means the genetic signature of Asian Northeast is distinctive. We can see influences from the early rice farmers of Korea, the Tungusic hunters, the Han of China, the mountaineers and lowlanders of Tibet, and the Japanese. With the rise of trade and globalization, this cluster has spread to Southeast Asia and the New World, bringing Asian Northeast to new corners of the world.

Anatolian Crossroads
Anatolian Crossroads is present from South Asia, across Turkey, and along the shores of the Mediterranean Sea. It was home to early hunter-gatherers and farmers. It has a deep history and connects to many lineages. It is the mark of those who moved east to west, and back again, along what would become the Silk Road. The Anatolian Crossroads are connected to the oldest groups of modern humans. As early humans left Africa, they settled in this area. The hunter-gatherers were eventually replaced by the first farmers.
Early recorded history confirms several cultures lived in this area and left their mark, such as the Phrygian, the Hurrian, the Hittite, the Hatti, and the Armenians. Later, the Turks swept down from Asia and brought people from the Asian Northeast group. Likewise, the Arab expansion brought members of the Eastern Afroasiatic group to the southern borders of the Anatolian Crossroads. We find that it is the strongest in Turks and Arab Muslims from the Fertile Crescent. Closed social groups, such as the Druze and Assyrians, also have clear signatures of Anatolian Crossroads, suggesting that their genes are native to the region.

North African Coastlands
The North African Coastlands are rooted in the nations of Morocco, Algeria, and Tunisia. It is one of the most ancient and distinct populations in the world. Its influence goes south into Sub-Saharan Africa and east toward the Middle East, because of Afro-Asiatic connections. To the North, the Moorish and Roman connections have brought pieces of the cluster into the Mediterranean. Though geographically constrained, this cluster has been at the heart of events in the history of the Western world.
This group grows out of ancient hunter-gatherers, farmers from the Middle East, and refugees from the Green Sahara. Exemplified by the Berber, the people of the North African Coastlands have given rise to great empires which push toward the Pyrenees, south to Timbuktu, and east back to the heart of the world of Islam. Its influence can be stamped upon the Sephardic Jews who have come from the cities of Morocco. Though birthed along the shores of the Roman sea, the sailors of the great bleak Sahara have brought North African Coastlands to the lush African shores.

Eastern Afroasiatic
The peoples of Eastern Afroasiatic ancestry are at the roots of civilization. They developed in the Persian Gulf north toward the Zagros Mountains. They gave rise to the Arabs, and were essential to the emergence of Iran. Their reach extends toward Africa and Asia due to trade routes around the Indian Ocean. This is a cluster at the center of history, and quite often the driver of events.
Eastern Afroasiatic has its beginnings in the cultural revolution caused by agriculture. Its second act came with the camel, which opened up the desolation of the desert to easier travel. This ease of travel allowed the message of Muhammad to spread, which sent a thousand tribes streaming in all directions. This cluster has seen the genetic influence of many groups, such as the Babylonians, the Assyrians, and finally the Persians. The connections between the nations around the Gulf remains despite divisions over language and religion. The shared ties are deep and extend out toward a diaspora which is the echo of historical events long forgotten. It is a sister to the Anatolian Crossroads.

Niger-Congo Genesis
Dominated by West African and Bantu populations, Niger-Congo Genesis is deeply rooted in Africa, reaching more than 100,000 years in the past. It takes up most of Sub-Saharan Africa. This is due to expansions that took place as part of a shift to farming. It is also found in African Diaspora groups, such as African Americans. There have been subtle indications that some of these populations have been affected by back-to-Africa migration, unlike their hunter-gatherer neighbors. The split between this cluster and the hunter-gatherers of the deep forests and open deserts dates back to the “Out of Africa” event.
For the Niger-Congo Genesis cluster, farming began in eastern Nigeria. It quickly swept east, south, and then southeast. Within the last 2,000 years, Bantu farmers spread to the southern tip of Africa. The migrations reshaped the genetic landscape of most of Africa in the process. There was admixture with resident populations. This, along with Arab slavery in the Middle Ages and New World slavery in more recent history, has caused the Niger-Congo Genesis to spread around the world.

East Africa Pastoralist
The East African Pastoralists are an ancient cluster which emerged in the north eastern part of Sub-Saharan Africa. The distinctive feature of this cluster is its close association with herding that allowed the pastoralists to exist in harmony with their Bantu farmer neighbors.
Stretching from Sudan and south toward Tanzania, these people arrived as herders over the past few thousand years. They coexisted with, and were often politically dominant, over the Bantus. On the northern edge of the Sudan, they seem to be indigenous. The also have connections to Eurasian populations who expanded out of the Middle East.
Most of the ancestors of the East African Pastoralists never left Africa. No doubt their forebears fled south from the Green Sahara. Populations descended from Middle Eastern farmers were absorbed, and eventually the original hunter-gatherers of East Africa gave way to the pastoralists on the one hand, and the Bantu farmers on the other. Others moved east into the Horn of Africa, and co-mingled with Semitic peoples from the Arabian Peninsula. Over time, this admixture gave rise to the populations of Ethiopia and Somalia.

Indian Tectonic Plate
The Indian Tectonic cluster reflects the deep rooted population of the Indian peninsula. Located primarily in the Indian subcontinent, it tapers off rapidly as to the west and east, reflecting its distinct historical heritage. It consists of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Bhutan, and Afghanistan. The Indian Tectonic heritage is a hybrid one, derived from a mixture of deep-rooted indigenous populations, which go back to the arrival of modern humans from Africa roughly 50,000 years ago. It includes later peoples coming from the north and west, including the Indo-Aryans most recently. The origins of the Indian caste system likely date to the last 4,000 years, as this blend became the closed cultural groups we see today. There is a wide variation in ancestral division north to south, east to west, and high caste to low caste with Indian Tectonic. The ancient South and West Eurasian heritage is what unites South Asians and is found nowhere else in the world.

Bering Expansion
The Bering Expansion is a distinct and compact cluster which developed at the end of the Pleistocene at Siberia. Like so many clusters, it is a hybrid. Located from the Canadian Yukon and south to Patagonia, the people of the New World are a unique expression of human genetic variation. They are the farthest edge of human migrations out of Africa. The Bering Expansion is closest to the clusters of East Asia, but has deep connections to the peoples in Europe, as well. This cluster exprerienced isolation in the New World and had a small originating population. This isolation and small founding population allowed them to remain similar genetically distinct until the arrival of European settlers and the African slave trade.

Kalahari Basin
The most distinctive and separated of clusters, Kalahari Basin is one we can suggest never left its homeland. It occupies humankind’s ancient stomping grounds. Kalahari Basin is a thin substrate across much of Sub-Saharan Africa, peaking in the southern regions where agricultural presence is minimal. It is the oldest of the old and includes the heritage of the most ancient of lineages. Kalahari Basin are the earliest human hunter-gatherers and is seen today primarily in the Mbuti Pygmies of the Congo. Limited to Africa, its recent history has been one of decline and assimilation.
It is cliché to say the Bushmen are the most ancient of human lineages. More accurate is the reality that they are the first branch off from all others. Where in other locales one might argue the arrival of modern humans at a particular time, here we are faced by a case where they were always there. Though rarely dominant in any individual, Kalahari Basin’s widespread distribution indicates how pervasive it was until recently.

Here are some photos of peoples results. (IF you are a project manager you can get them now)

http://i.imgur.com/Yo2mSjW.png

http://i.imgur.com/MYTFE9c.png

http://i.imgur.com/C8UDVIX.png

Mortimer

05-04-2014, 01:53 PM

there is only one indian cluster like on 23andme, europe has several, i would like to see more indian clusters and also a sephardi cluster not only ashkenazi

Yehiel

05-04-2014, 01:58 PM

there is only one indian cluster like on 23andme, europe has several, i would like to see more indian clusters and also a sephardi cluster not only ashkenazi

I think the Sephardi will have both Jewish Diaspora, and North Africa. The North African Coast Land description mentions Sephardi.. Will be interesting. I predict Indians will get both East Asian Coastal Islands and Eurasian Heartland (both are found in Indian subcontinent). There is 2 for Indians on MyOrigins

Mortimer

05-04-2014, 02:01 PM

I think the Sephardi will have both Jewish Diaspora, and North Africa. The North African Coast Land description mentions Sephardi.. Will be interesting. I predict Indians will get both East Asian Coastal Islands and Eurasian Heartland (both are found in Indian subcontinent). There is 2 for Indians on MyOrigins

indian tectonic plate and which is the second? yeah eurasian heartland could be found in indians

Yehiel

05-04-2014, 02:05 PM

indian tectonic plate and which is the second? yeah eurasian heartland could be found in indians

Eurasian Heartland, Indian Tectonic Plate, and East Asian Coastal Island will be associated with Indians I think.

Shuffle

05-04-2014, 02:26 PM

Nothing found about it on FTDNA my results are still in the old form.

Yehiel

05-04-2014, 02:44 PM

Nothing found about it on FTDNA my results are still in the old form.

You results will be the same until the update comes (this week sometime?) unless you are a project manager.

Shuffle

05-04-2014, 02:46 PM

Ah, ok, there is no information to find on the FTDNA-page, they announced the new Y-DNA-tree allready some time before it was released, I'm wondering why they don't do that here.

Yehiel

05-04-2014, 03:07 PM

Ah, ok, there is no information to find on the FTDNA-page, they announced the new Y-DNA-tree allready some time before it was released, I'm wondering why they don't do that here.

They sent out emails to everyone, saying its coming "very soon". Im suspecting with in the next 2 weeks.

Shuffle

05-04-2014, 04:03 PM

Ok, maybe I got an old E-Mail-Address there, I'll have a look, we will see!

Yehiel

05-04-2014, 08:56 PM

My Results:

THOUGHTS: Definitely a big improvement. Much MORE accurate then my current 23andme results!!! My Med component stretches into North Africa and is centered in Sicily, I am very suprised not to have any Jewish Diaspora (even though it says its focused on Ashkenaz) and North African even though my Med does stretch into Tunisia, Algeria, and Libya. Everything else is on the money, my East Euro, and North Euro on MYORIGINS is 99% ACCURATE!!! As for the South Asian, It stretches into Iran and I have a Iranian cousin on here (one of my most related matches but also probably Sefardi) so it could be real..

http://i.imgur.com/vuvSlXR.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Mh0klKS.jpg

Armatus

05-06-2014, 12:34 PM

http://i.imgur.com/k1fP66K.jpg

Boring as hell, but atleast I'm pure.

Mortimer

05-06-2014, 02:43 PM

why do you guys have the results i dont have mine yet

Armatus

05-06-2014, 04:40 PM

why do you guys have the results i dont have mine yet

You can view them, if you are a project admin.

Alessio

05-06-2014, 05:21 PM

http://s14.postimg.org/3mq1pi0f1/My_origins.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/3mq1pi0f1/)

Insuperable

05-06-2014, 05:23 PM

http://s14.postimg.org/3mq1pi0f1/My_origins.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/3mq1pi0f1/)

You are basically a mixed race, white/Middle Eastern mix.

Alessio

05-06-2014, 05:23 PM

No just Southern italian and Dutch..

You are basically a mixed race, white/Middle Eastern mix.

Insuperable

05-06-2014, 05:25 PM

No just Southern italian and Dutch..

Which is basically White/Middle Eastern mix.

Alessio

05-06-2014, 05:33 PM

The only one in my list who is close to me is my first match from Avellino who scores 21 % middle eastern. But he is also half Southern Italian btw.

You are basically a mixed race, white/Middle Eastern mix.

Insuperable

05-06-2014, 05:36 PM

The only one in my list who is close to me is my first match from Avellino who scores 21 % middle eastern.

You don't have to be 50/50 to be a mix and your point is?

Alessio

05-06-2014, 05:44 PM

I was thinking for a moment that you were trolling, but I see your point, only I disagree that we're part Middle Eastern perse because their (FTDNA's) reference population could place all Anatolian Turks and Greeks (partially) in that same category depended on the region of origin (Middle Eastern) what would result in S Italian scoring part Middle Eastern like in 23andme. He is the only Italian match I have on FTDNA and he is part Eastern Euro and Northern Euro, so basically similair to me and the only one poppin up at myorigins.

You don't have to be 50/50 to be a mix and your point is?

HellLander87

05-06-2014, 06:00 PM

BS again from Ftdna.I score 6% North Med, my uncle 56%.
I score 36% European plain, my uncle none.

Black Wolf

05-06-2014, 06:02 PM

Mine are now in. I was expecting a higher European Coastal Islands percentage but meh. Personally I do not think they have improved it much at all.

North Circumpolar: 30%
North Mediterranean Basin: 29%
European Coastal Islands: 19%
European Coastal Plain: 7%
Trans-Ural Peneplain: 3%
European Northlands: 2%
Eurasian Heartland: 6%
Jewish Diaspora: 5%

HellLander87

05-06-2014, 06:05 PM

Dat shit is a mess I tell you that.Ftdna has to get serious sometime.

Insuperable

05-06-2014, 06:08 PM

BS again from Ftdna.I score 6% North Med, my uncle 56%.
I score 36% European plain, my uncle none.

Maybe you are adopted

jk

HellLander87

05-06-2014, 06:13 PM

Maybe you are adopted

jk

lol I wouldn't match him for about 2000cm then.

noricum

05-06-2014, 06:22 PM

a bit of it all

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h149/Christian_Unterberger/abitofitall_zps1f30efc6.png (http://s63.photobucket.com/user/Christian_Unterberger/media/abitofitall_zps1f30efc6.png.html)

Alessio

05-06-2014, 06:29 PM

I'm not so happy with Turkey being placed under my supposed ''Middle Eastern''. Isn't Greece enough ???

Geni

05-06-2014, 06:31 PM

46855

Alessio

05-06-2014, 06:38 PM

Weyo part Turk like me :p never heard of ctrl+printscreen ?

46855

Geni

05-06-2014, 06:39 PM

Shuffle

05-06-2014, 06:56 PM

Confusing, first I got 86 % Western European, 14 % Middle Eastern-Jewish and a whole bunch of jewish matches, on Gedmatch with the new K15 populations I get 86 % West-German (which is more southern-european influenced than north-german) and a pull to south-east with about 14 % greek-thessaly which seemed to confirm the population finder and now that: 64 % European Plain, 31 % European Northlands and just 3 % North-Mediterranean Basin and 1 % Eastern Afroasiatic! I'd say thats allready much too much northlands for someone of south-german descent without any southern pull on gedmatch, I am confused now...

Jizo

05-06-2014, 07:00 PM

hm ,i find normal that i have 33 % anatolian & caucasian with R1b1a2a1 ..R1b1a2a1 spring in Europe from anatolia, and i find normal that i have 45 % mediterran ...but what i find not normal is that i have something as 20 % in comun with slavs..:confused2:

Here is mine :

Europeаn - 74%
- North Mediterranen Basin - 26%
- Trans Ural peneplain - 49%
Middle Eastern - 19%
- Anatolian Crossroad - 16%
- Eastern Afroasiatic - 3%
- North African Coatlands - 1%
Jewish Disapora - 6%
- Jewish Disapora - 6%

Geni

05-06-2014, 07:02 PM

Weyo part Turk like me :p never heard of ctrl+printscreen ?

I dont think that is Turk, i think my 33 % is Caucasian..R1b1a2a1 came from Caucasus to Anatolia..46889and in Albania etc..

Jizo

05-06-2014, 07:07 PM

Ofc is not Turk, it is like if we say American means Irish or something like that. Turks are rich in Anatolian, because of all the Armenian, Greek, Balkan,Georgian, Chechen etc blood they have. :)
But I am not really happy with the new PF, Anatolian, should have been called Balkan-Anatolian and counted as European. Also really curious about the Jewish Diaspora( I got 6% and there is not a single even myth of Jewish people in my family, not that I would have minded them on the contrary, just saying). Another interesting fact is that mos Middle Eastern Jews, do not show it they are mostly a mix of Afro Asiatic( really stupid name, has nothing to do with Africa, this is simply Levant and Mesopotamia) and Anatolia, so according to Family Tree I am more of a Jew then most Jews in Middle East, do I get something for that , like money or something :)

Yehiel

05-06-2014, 07:16 PM

Official Results:

http://i.imgur.com/fnfh6Dw.jpg

JQP4545

05-06-2014, 07:24 PM

46890

Jizo

05-06-2014, 07:25 PM

Official Results:

http://i.imgur.com/fnfh6Dw.jpg

Really interesting results, you show up North European with the necessary for European Med, from which part is your Jewish? Maybe Persian Jews that moved to North Europe long ago or? It just profs what make u what u r has little if anything to do with genes. I am really curios to see Bar rRfaeli or Mila Kunis results I recon a lot of Trans Ural or whatever is called plus Anatolia, Jewish diaspora or Med. Famous people should get tested to show to people looks, genes, nationality and religion are different things :)

HellLander87

05-06-2014, 07:27 PM

I dont think that is Turk, i think my 33 % is Caucasian..R1b1a2a1 came from Caucasus to Anatolia..46889and in Albania etc..
Sorry to dissapoint you cousin but that's the proof that albanians came from caucasus.Ask raine for more historical details.:D

Alessio

05-06-2014, 07:27 PM

I was kidding :p

I dont think that is Turk, i think my 33 % is Caucasian..R1b1a2a1 came from Caucasus to Anatolia..46889and in Albania etc..

Jizo

05-06-2014, 07:27 PM

I have seen some other Bulgarian results and they are more or less the same as me, except not all show Afro Asiatic and Jewish diaspora and most show less Trans Ural then me and 10% or more European Northlands :)

Jizo

05-06-2014, 07:29 PM

Sorry to dissapoint you cousin but that's the proof that albanians came from caucasus.Ask raine for more historical details.:D

R1b are Caucasus and Anatolia originally yes, but maybe my friend u do not know that Caucasus people are close to West Europeans. Anyways this results have nothing to do with politics, so lets not spoil the fun :)

Sicilianu101

05-06-2014, 07:30 PM

My results (100% Sicilian from Alcara Li Fusi, Sicily):

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=46891&d=1399404503

Yehiel

05-06-2014, 07:31 PM

Really interesting results, you show up North European with the necessary for European Med, from which part is your Jewish? Maybe Persian Jews that moved to North Europe long ago or? It just profs what make u what u r has little if anything to do with genes. I am really curios to see Bar rRfaeli or Mila Kunis results I recon a lot of Trans Ural or whatever is called plus Anatolia, Jewish diaspora or Med. Famous people should get tested to show to people looks, genes, nationality and religion are different things :)

I emailed FTDNA for feedback. I didnt score any Jewish Diaspora because its focused on Ashkenaz, i am surprised though that I didnt get North African. So when i emailed them i also mentioned that I get North African on almost every other test but FTDNA, & asked if my Sefardi all got grouped into Med Basin (I am French Sefardi) and they said this:

Re: I also have a few questions, could my Sefardi be the North Med Basin?
Yes. While Ashkenazi Jews are relatively homogeneous and culturally and genetically distinct, Sephardic Jews are more diverse. In various regions of the Mediterranean, Sephardic Jews seem to be genetic compounds between migrants from Spain, local Jewish populations (e.g., Romaniotes in Greece), and perhaps local non-Jewish groups.

Jizo

05-06-2014, 07:36 PM

I emailed FTDNA for feedback. I didnt score any Jewish Diaspora because its focused on Ashkenaz, i am surprised though that I didnt get North African. So when i emailed them i also mentioned that I get North African on almost every other test but FTDNA, & asked if my Sefardi all got grouped into Med Basin (I am French Sefardi) and they said this:

Interesting. They are too focused on North Europe and did kinda poorly with the rest of the world :) Also f I as Bulgarian have any Jewish blood it is most likely what we call Shpaniol, from Macedonia region , I am still curious where did I got this Ashkenazy :)

Yehiel

05-06-2014, 07:38 PM

Interesting. They are too focused on North Europe and did kinda poorly with the rest of the world :) Also f I as Bulgarian have any Jewish blood it is most likely what we call Shpaniol, from Macedonia region , I am still curious where did I got this Ashkenazy :)

Yeah like all DNA companys the probably did focus on Northern Europe more than the others (which is justified because most of the costumers are North Euros).

Mortimer

05-06-2014, 07:38 PM

http://s29.postimg.org/nruzi6u1z/myoriginsftdna.jpg

HellLander87

05-06-2014, 07:40 PM

Interesting. They are too focused on North Europe and did kinda poorly with the rest of the world :) Also f I as Bulgarian have any Jewish blood it is most likely what we call Shpaniol, from Macedonia region , I am still curious where did I got this Ashkenazy :)
You are not getting any money unfortunately.

This combination of Middle Eastern and European is found in other groups, and many of them exhibit signatures of Jewish Diaspora, but it is not common descent.

Jizo

05-06-2014, 07:43 PM

Inquiring interesting results :) U get more Levant then me :) , but as a Bulgar I would have loved some East Asian or Eurasian Heartland :) Can u guys see the results of your matches? I can not :(

HellLander :( I was expecting some and I heard Rotshilds are J2 just like me :)

Alessio

05-06-2014, 07:44 PM

Instead of getting money, FTDNA is making you feel that you're privileged to get the new and improved ''Morigins'' without paying extra money for it !

You are not getting any money unfortunately.

Yehiel

05-06-2014, 07:46 PM

One thing ive noticed, people that did transfers are not getting most accurate results compared to those who tested from FTDNA from the beginning (to be expected). I think this is why some of our results are vague and not as accurate.

Jizo

05-06-2014, 07:48 PM

True :)

HellLander87

05-06-2014, 07:53 PM

This thing is not like its 23andme counterpart where they do check if an snp is of a certain origin(e.g Balkan).It's more like a malfunctioning oracle imo.

Alessio

05-06-2014, 07:56 PM

Mine are pretty much in line with my known ancestry. It's basically very similair to that of Sicilianu only without the North African of course.

One thing ive noticed, people that did transfers are not getting most accurate results compared to those who tested from FTDNA from the beginning (to be expected). I think this is why some of our results are vague and not as accurate.

Danishmend

05-06-2014, 07:57 PM

http://i.hizliresim.com/GnPLzb.jpg (http://hizliresim.com/GnPLzb)

Alessio

05-06-2014, 08:00 PM

Hi, have you also used gedmatch and/or did 23andme ?

http://i.hizliresim.com/8nPPad.png (http://hizliresim.com/8nPPad)

Danishmend

05-06-2014, 08:03 PM

Hi, have you also used gedmatch and/or did 23andme ?
Nope

SSlava

05-06-2014, 08:19 PM

Map Trans-Ural population is slightly changed.
46894

Yehiel

05-06-2014, 08:27 PM

Map Trans-Ural population is slightly changed.
46894

Wonder why Trans-ural doesnt cover western Russia.

Insuperable

05-06-2014, 08:29 PM

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?124403-Are-Southern-Europeans-inferior-because-of-Arabolevantonorthafrican-genetic-input&p=2618005

SSlava

05-06-2014, 08:30 PM

Wonder why Trans-ural doesnt cover western Russia.
Very strange. Sanctions?))
I Russian southern Russia.

Yehiel

05-06-2014, 08:33 PM

Very strange. Sanctions?))
I Russian southern Russia.

Haha maybe, FTDNA is Pro-Ukraine ;)

Insuperable

05-06-2014, 08:33 PM

Mine are pretty much in line with my known ancestry. It's basically very similair to that of Sicilianu only without the North African of course.

Just to get rid of curiosity, what do you mean by known ancestry? When you became TA member, weren't you interested what is your other side?

Sicilianu101

05-06-2014, 08:37 PM

http://i.hizliresim.com/8nPPad.png (http://hizliresim.com/8nPPad)

What are the subgroups and their percentages for each (Middle Eastern, Euro, and East Asian)? Also where are you from in Turkey?

Geni

05-06-2014, 08:44 PM

Sorry to dissapoint you cousin but that's the proof that albanians came from caucasus.Ask raine for more historical details.:D

Clar ,i am from Caucasus,but look the map ...i am not from Albania Caucasus :laugh2:

Anglojew

05-06-2014, 09:40 PM

indian tectonic plate and which is the second? yeah eurasian heartland could be found in indians

Yes, Indian needs at least two. Maybe 4 or 5.

JQP4545

05-06-2014, 10:12 PM

Official Results:

http://i.imgur.com/fnfh6Dw.jpg

Wow ur fully Jewish? I'm more Mid East than you...

Jackson

05-06-2014, 10:35 PM

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/Myorigins.png

It's interesting, it seems to make sense, although the Euro % is low compared to all the other tests. The Jewish fits well with other oracles and things, although when i test my parents it seems that it's not that clear cut (there is a small amount of SW Asian typically on my Dad's side (Dad's mother ultimately), and my mother and aunt have elevated Med and West Asian (but no SW Asian). I get bits of both and so it matches very well NW Euro + Jewish/Near Eastern as i get some from each parent. I also don't get any Ashkenazic matches (which i would if it was actually Jewish) on either FTDNA or 23&me. So i think i will have to test my parents with FTDNA as well at some point to see if they get that. So i don't think it's Ashkenazic Jewish, but logically speaking, as a calculator it makes sense.

As for the European - It seems to make sense, largest single group is British, then followed by Scandinavian, and with a little bit of East European and West Mediterranean.

Yehiel

05-06-2014, 10:37 PM

Wow ur fully Jewish? I'm more Mid East than you...

I am 1/4 Sefardi, if we compared Gedmatch, we would probably be equal.

Gashi91

05-06-2014, 10:45 PM

46895

'My Origins' results.

Snchpnz

05-06-2014, 11:12 PM

My results transfered from 23andme to FTDNA.

http://i1349.photobucket.com/albums/p750/postabfpics/ibrn/Screenshot2014-05-06at65913PM_zps039d7f2e.png

Compared to my actual 23andme results.

http://i1349.photobucket.com/albums/p750/postabfpics/23AM/954_zps61103415.jpg

oblivion

05-06-2014, 11:22 PM

These are mine:
http://i59.tinypic.com/1zptnuv.png

Iroczor

05-06-2014, 11:23 PM

Here are my results, much better than the last one imo but still more improvements need to be done, i don't like the ethnic labels.

http://i62.tinypic.com/2hi70w5.png

HellLander87

05-06-2014, 11:28 PM

Stefan_Dusan

05-06-2014, 11:56 PM

HellLander87

05-07-2014, 12:02 AM

One question on this:

I took the test sometime last month, still waiting on results (forecasted for June). I took the 37 marker Y-haplogroup test to better trace my rare haplgroup. Now I just got email from them saying this test is available and if I pay them 99$ it will do my origins as well….

But how, since unlike 23andMe they won't have access to autosmal DNA. Will this be just purely who matches my haplogroup? That could be interesting in it's own way. Or would this 99$ be waste of money for me?
They ll keep your sample for 20 years.They 'll run an autosomal test and whatever else you order(e.g y dna snp test etc) from this sample.But if you ask me you 'd better save your money.You won't learn anything new I believe.Gedmatch calculators are far better than myorigins imo.

Stefan_Dusan

05-07-2014, 12:04 AM

They ll keep your sample for 20 years.They 'll run an autosomal test and whatever else you order(e.g y dna snp test etc) from this sample.

So the 100$ is an autosmal test? It would be cool if I see distribution of my haplogroup (I already have an autosomal test from 23andMe). Do they have something like that or is this what I get with my Y Dna test?

HellLander87

05-07-2014, 12:12 AM

So the 100$ is an autosmal test? It would be cool if I see distribution of my haplogroup (I already have an autosomal test from 23andMe). Do they have something like that or is this what I get with my Y Dna test?
At ft dna you order each test separately.100$ is only for autosomal test,no ydna, no mtdna.You ll see people that match your haplotype(STR) by the y-dna test you ordered.

Musso

05-07-2014, 12:19 AM

When will these work for 23andme V4??!!!

Sikeliot

05-07-2014, 12:30 AM

Here are my results, much better than the last one imo but still more improvements need to be done, i don't like the ethnic labels.

http://i62.tinypic.com/2hi70w5.png

It practically thinks you're part Japanese. :lol:

cally

05-07-2014, 12:33 AM

Which features do you get if you transfer your raw data from 23andme? $69 (Autosomal DNA transfer)

sgc2009

05-07-2014, 12:44 AM

http://oi58.tinypic.com/a285fd.jpg

Maternal grandmother's:

http://oi61.tinypic.com/15pjyox.jpg

While obviously an improvement, it still sucks. And is very noisy for a lot of people, especially mixed ones (not in my case though).

Danishmend

05-07-2014, 12:46 AM

What are the subgroups and their percentages for each (Middle Eastern, Euro, and East Asian)? Also where are you from in Turkey?

http://i.hizliresim.com/GnPLzb.jpg (http://hizliresim.com/GnPLzb)

Iroczor

05-07-2014, 01:17 AM

It practically thinks you're part Japanese. :lol:

I have no recent japanese ancestry, it probably means i'm part siberian since i have gotten that a lot of times in other ancestral dna results

Sikeliot

05-07-2014, 05:57 AM

I have no recent japanese ancestry, it probably means i'm part siberian since i have gotten that a lot of times in other ancestral dna results

I suspect other Mexicans will also get the NE Asian affinity too.

Sehnsucht

05-07-2014, 06:20 AM

http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt279/german24/MyOrigins_zps656cf985.png

Yuk.

Similar to my AncestryDNA result except a little more Middle east/Central Asian. I was hoping I would be more pure. 95% Europe not the best but not the worst either.

Argang

05-07-2014, 06:25 AM

http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af228/njal2010/10338519_489737374485078_5258868340042263283_o.jpg

Reference populations indicate the clusters are(inferred but I'm quite certain):

European Northlands = Danish, Norwegian, Swedish
European Coastal Islands = British, Irish, Scottish
European Coastal Plain = French, German
North Circumpolar = pure Finnish
Trans-Ural Peneplain = Lithuanian, Russian, Ukrainian, Polish, Slovakian
North Mediterranean = Portuguese, Spanish, Italian
Jewish Diaspora = pure Ashkenazi
Anatolian Crossroads = pure Armenian
Eastern Afroasiatic = Saudi, Iraqi, Kuwaiti
Eurasian Heartland = pure Pashtun
Indian Tectonic = pure Gujarati
East Asian Coastal Islands = Burmese, Cambodian, Filipino
Northeast Asian = Japanese, Korean
Bering Expansion = Karitiana, Surui
North African Coast = Moroccan, Mozabite
Niger-Congo = pure Yoruba
East African = pure Maasai
Kalahari Basin = pure Mbuti pygmy (misleadingly named cluster, the description too says it peaks in Mbuti but there's no pygmies in Kalahari afaik)

Sikeliot

05-07-2014, 04:14 PM

If Anatolian is Armenian and North Med is Iberian then the south Italians and a Greek islander I know are coming out intermediate between them. HellLander87 and his uncle are clearly Slavicized if you see their results.

Genn

05-07-2014, 05:48 PM

http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af228/njal2010/10338519_489737374485078_5258868340042263283_o.jpg

Reference populations indicate the clusters are(inferred but I'm quite certain):

Anatolian Crossroads = pure Armenian
Eastern Afroasiatic = Saudi, Iraqi, Kuwaiti

I think Anatolian Crossroads is more likely to be Armenian and Iraqi, while Eastern Afroasiatic is Saudi and Kuwaiti. From the description of Anatolian Crossroads (now "Anatolia & Caucasus"):

We find that it is the strongest in Turks and Arab Muslims from the Fertile Crescent. Closed social groups, such as the Druze and Assyrians, also have clear signatures of Anatolian Crossroads, suggesting that their genes are native to the region.

If it peaks there, and the Iraqi sample includes any Assyrian, Kurdish, Turkmen, etc. individuals too (although I'm unsure if that's the case), it makes sense for them to be tied to a Northern Middle Eastern grouping.

Edit: Scratch that, it seems they very recently altered the description to: "We find that it is the strongest in Turks from the Fertile Crescent and people from the Caucasus."
These last minute changes don't instil much confidence.

HellLander87

05-07-2014, 06:07 PM

Sikeliot

05-07-2014, 06:24 PM

The absence of a balkan sample make results a mess for Balkanians.

It has made Greeks from the mainland come up a mix of Anatolian, Italian, and East Euro, while those from the islands as well as southern Italians come up an almost even split of Anatolian and proper Italian.

JQP4545

05-07-2014, 09:48 PM

How about Germans?

Armatus

05-07-2014, 10:13 PM

How about Germans?

I posted mine at page 2. Weirdly I'm the only one here whos genome is solely compromised of one single "subgroup" (Coastal Plain).

Musso

05-07-2014, 10:18 PM

Iroczor

05-07-2014, 10:34 PM

JQP4545

05-07-2014, 10:56 PM

I posted mine at page 2. Weirdly I'm the only one here whos genome is solely compromised of one single "subgroup" (Coastal Plain).

I would be curious to see an Italian who is pure Mediterranean on MyOrigins. The only ones I've seen so far come up as a mix of Mediterranean and Anatolian.

Albannach

05-07-2014, 11:13 PM

I posted mine at page 2. Weirdly I'm the only one here whos genome is solely compromised of one single "subgroup" (Coastal Plain).

You're not the only one, I'm 100% Coastal islands. Not sure I understand the subgroups though, does Coastal Island include the Anglo-Saxons, Vikings ect or only indigenous Brits/Irish?

Danishmend

05-07-2014, 11:37 PM

I know where my Asian Northeast come from, it was a significant part of the incoming Turks

Asian Northeast has a deep ancestry and is home to the first settlers of Eastern Eurasia. This is a widespread population, found in China, Japan, Korea, Siberia, and even in New World Amerindian populations. This cluster characterizes people from a wide variety of backgrounds, including grain farmers nestled against the shores of the East China Sea and warriors who survived the cold deserts of Mongolia. It flows south with the journeys of the Han and the Tibetans, and west with the gallop of the horses of the Turks.
http://i.hizliresim.com/MYo7Pk.png (http://hizliresim.com/MYo7Pk)

But what's with European Coastal Plain (France-Germany) & European Coastal Islands (Britain)? Anatolian Turks already score some Northern European, why didn't they melt it in 'Anatolia & Caucasus'? (same goes for 'Asian Northeast')
http://i.hizliresim.com/GnPLzb.jpg (http://hizliresim.com/GnPLzb)

Jackson

05-07-2014, 11:40 PM

You're not the only one, I'm 100% Coastal islands. Not sure I understand the subgroups though, does Coastal Island include the Anglo-Saxons, Vikings ect or only indigenous Brits/Irish?

Apparently it's meant to be around 2000 years or so. While i see some Scandinavians and Germans etc getting it, a lot don't - So i think it's a better representation of Celtic and pre-Celtic elements. Although, given the nature of the test, being 100% probably just means you fit solidly into the British Isles. They don't have any ancient samples, so.

HellLander87

05-07-2014, 11:48 PM

I know where my Asian Northeast come from, it was a significant part of the incoming Turks

http://i.hizliresim.com/MYo7Pk.png (http://hizliresim.com/MYo7Pk)

But what's with European Coastal Plain (France-Germany) & European Coastal Islands (Britain)? Anatolian Turks already score some Northern European, why didn't they melt it in 'Anatolia & Caucasus'? (same goes for 'Asian Northeast')
http://i.hizliresim.com/8nPPad.png
The sample is Armenian and western turks probably have some western influences that armenians lack.So you have a pull to the west by this european coastal plain.It doesn't necesarily mean ancestry from there.Normally you should have some north med but it seems that the "southern" Genes contained at north med were lumped to your anatolian so you got its "northern" ancestry given by euro coastal plain.I had the same problem as I scored 36% euro coastal plain and only 6% north med,me being a Greek.

cally

05-07-2014, 11:53 PM

http://i62.tinypic.com/5ueoo2.png

http://i58.tinypic.com/fof9tk.png

This is in line with the "Caucascus" Balkan members score on Gedmatch
I'm 75% North Mediterranean

Sehnsucht

05-07-2014, 11:55 PM

I posted mine at page 2. Weirdly I'm the only one here whos genome is solely compromised of one single "subgroup" (Coastal Plain).

I think it's really cool that you got 100% of the best population.

Danishmend

05-08-2014, 12:08 AM

The sample is Armenian and western turks probably have some western influences that armenians lack.So you have a pull to the west by this european coastal plain.It doesn't necesarily mean ancestry from there.Normally you should have some north med but it seems that the "southern" Genes contained at north med were lumped to your anatolian so you got its "northern" ancestry given by euro coastal plain.I had the same problem as I scored 36% euro coastal plain and only 6% north med,me being a Greek.
sounds logical

HellLander87

05-08-2014, 12:11 AM

sounds logical
yes you could have taken something like 30% northmed and your anatolian would have been lowered by 10% something like that.I believe myorigins is a bit buggy at least sometimes.

Yehiel

05-08-2014, 12:14 AM

yes you could have taken something like 30% northmed and your anatolian would have been lowered by 10% something like that.I believe myorigins is a bit buggy.

Really hoping that they update results later on when they get more samples.

HellLander87

05-08-2014, 12:23 AM

Really hoping that they update results later on when they get more samples.
Maybe after a couple of years.

Yehiel

05-08-2014, 12:24 AM

Maybe after a couple of years.

I dont understand why they would release this with such little samples. makes no sense

Insuperable

05-08-2014, 12:27 AM

Basically, Yehiel who is partially Jewish scores no Jewish, but others without knowsn Jewish ancestry do score. Intredasting.

Yehiel

05-08-2014, 12:35 AM

Basically, Yehiel who is partially Jewish scores no Jewish, but others do score. Intredasting.

im 1/4, French Sefardi.. I have tons of Jewish matches on FTDNA and have Ashkenaz on 23andme, along with North African on every gedmatch calculator. These are the only two that surprised me. When I emailed them they said my Sefardi all got jumped into North Med Basin. Which im seeing on other Sefardim to.

Musso

05-08-2014, 12:41 AM

So what do Turks think about Armenians being used as reference population for Anatolia?

cally

05-08-2014, 12:45 AM

http://i58.tinypic.com/fof9tk.png

HellLander87

05-08-2014, 12:51 AM

I dont understand why they would release this with such little samples. makes no sense

There is a problem with the clusters they chose to have.They are certainly not enough for some regions and on the other hand too many for some others.
They have like 20 samples from each region.If this is enough there is no way they couldn't have found such a number of samples from any region they wanted.

HellLander87

05-08-2014, 12:54 AM

http://i58.tinypic.com/fof9tk.png
Here obvious bugs at their algorithm can be seen;).gashi91 scores like 30 Trans ural you score 4 %.It gives inconsistent results for people of similar ancestry.What a mess.

cally

05-08-2014, 12:57 AM

Here obvious bugs at their algorithm can be seen;).gashi91 scores like 30 Trans ural you score 4 %.It gives inconsistent results for people of similar ancestry.What a mess.
No his results are right because Gashi clusters with Romanians he is very northern

HellLander87

05-08-2014, 01:04 AM

No his results are right because Gashi clusters with Romanians he is very northern
He is like 2-3% more northern than me I think and 2-3%less northern than my uncle(correct me if I am wrong).Nothing justifies a 26% difference at trans ural between you and him imo.

Danishmend

05-08-2014, 01:17 AM

So what do Turks think about Armenians being used as reference population for Anatolia?

They need to learn some history

Historical Armenia
http://images-mediawiki-sites.thefullwiki.org/11/6/5/2/9496391626815375.gif

Armenians are southern Caucasians. They should have used Anatolian Turks as reference population for Anatolia instead, because we are native to this region since we replaced and/or absorbed the 'Rum' (Eastern Roman inhabitants of Anatolia) in the 11th century

Traditional definition of Anatolia - Historical Anatolia
http://i.hizliresim.com/LPZrza.jpg (http://hizliresim.com/LPZrza)

cally

05-08-2014, 01:17 AM

He is like 2-3% more northern than me I think and 2-3%less northern than my uncle(correct me if I am wrong).Nothing justifies a 26% difference at trans ural between you and him imo.
I'm not sure I remember him being very northern than me which shocked me because we are 3rd cousins but I'll let you know when Gedmatch starts working (it's always down Ffs)

HellLander87

05-08-2014, 01:19 AM

I'm not sure I remember him being very northern than me which shocked me because we are 3rd cousins but I'll let you know when Gedmatch starts working (it's always down Ffs)
I think I match him too at gedmatch btw.But even geni scores 20% Trans ural.

cally

05-08-2014, 01:25 AM

I think I match him too at gedmatch btw.But even geni scores 20% Trans ural.
Maybe his middle eastern 33% evens it out idk

Musso

05-08-2014, 01:31 AM

They need to learn some history

Historical Armenia
http://images-mediawiki-sites.thefullwiki.org/11/6/5/2/9496391626815375.gif

Armenians are southern Caucasians. They should have used Anatolian Turks as reference population for Anatolia instead, because we are native to this region since we replaced and/or absorbed the 'Rum' (Eastern Roman inhabitants of Anatolia) in the 11th century

Traditional definition of Anatolia - Historical Anatolia
http://i.hizliresim.com/LPZrza.jpg (http://hizliresim.com/LPZrza)

Well the historic homeland of Armenians is the Armenian Highland - which encompasses Eastern Anatolia and Southern Caucasus. Our "heartland" are the plains of Mount Ararat. I do see in the "Traditional definition of Anatolia" much of the Armenian Highland is left out.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/Armenian_Highlands.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/Armenian_plateau_%27natural_borders%27_by_H.F.B._L ynch%2C_1901.jpg/800px-Armenian_plateau_%27natural_borders%27_by_H.F.B._L ynch%2C_1901.jpg

Danishmend

05-08-2014, 01:56 AM

Well the historic homeland of Armenians is the Armenian Highland - which encompasses Eastern Anatolia and Southern Caucasus. Our "heartland" are the plains of Mount Ararat. I do see in the "Traditional definition of Anatolia" much of the Armenian Highland is left out.

The map is not mine, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatolia#Definition
Anyway. I insist that the Armenians, a southern Caucasian people who have never been native to the west of river Euphrates, can't represent the Anatolia and should't have been used as reference population. Because historical Anatolia lies in the west of river Euphrates. This is my opinion of course, no need to derail the thread anymore

Musso

05-08-2014, 02:04 AM

The map is not mine, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatolia#Definition
Anyway. I insist that the Armenians, a southern Caucasian people who have never been native to the west of river Euphrates, can't represent the Anatolia and should't have been used as reference population. Because historical Anatolia lies in the west of river Euphrates. This is my opinion of course, no need to derail the thread anymore

Well yes, most of our ancestral land is East of the Euphrates. I'd say we are Eastern Anatolian-South Caucasus hybrids. Since we are not entirely from the Caucasus.

cally

05-08-2014, 04:27 AM

Omg ftdna is so weird compared to 23andme I'm gonna log myself out before depression kicks in

Mortimer

05-08-2014, 04:38 AM

balkanites bitching because they are anatolian deal with it

Jizo

05-08-2014, 05:23 AM

balkanites bitching because they are anatolian deal with it

1. Anatolia should be called Balkan- Caucasian and is European
2. Nobody is bitching about anything, just Family Tree did really poorly for Eastern and South Europe, especially the Balkan, there should be Bulgarian, Serbian and Albanian referrance samples called Balkan or Balkan Caucasian
3. Let not troll but enjoy
4. Connection between Armenians, Balkans and West Europe is known to everybody, R1b is originally an " Anatolian group"

:)

You are half Balkan urself. :)

Mortimer

05-08-2014, 05:42 AM

1. Anatolia should be called Balkan- Caucasian and is European
2. Nobody is bitching about anything, just Family Tree did really poorly for Eastern and South Europe, especially the Balkan, there should be Bulgarian, Serbian and Albanian referrance samples called Balkan or Balkan Caucasian
3. Let not troll but enjoy
4. Connection between Armenians, Balkans and West Europe is known to everybody, R1b is originally an " Anatolian group"

:)

You are half Balkan urself. :)

if anatolia is european then turks are european too, but many bulgarians etc. dont say that turks are european, turks score like 70% anatolia etc. anatolia isnt really european, it is west asian. and why would they change their labels just that bulgarians appear 100% european on paper and please their inferiority complexes? also every ethnicity can be made pure if there is a mexican mestizo cluster then mestizos are 100% mexican like ashkenazi jews on 23andme are 100% ashkenazi/european but they are mix of mideast and europe thats the same with balkan cluster, then they appear as 100% balkan/europe but if you divide it they are part mideastern

Danishmend

05-08-2014, 08:28 AM

2 more Turkish results (I found them on anthroscape)

Turk 1 (this is me)
http://i.hizliresim.com/GnPLzb.jpg (http://hizliresim.com/GnPLzb)

Turk 2
http://i.hizliresim.com/krGVLq.jpg (http://hizliresim.com/krGVLq)

Turk 3
http://i.hizliresim.com/ml4v18.jpg (http://hizliresim.com/ml4v18)

JQP4545

05-08-2014, 09:59 AM

if anatolia is european then turks are european too, but many bulgarians etc. dont say that turks are european, turks score like 70% anatolia etc. anatolia isnt really european, it is west asian. and why would they change their labels just that bulgarians appear 100% european on paper and please their inferiority complexes? also every ethnicity can be made pure if there is a mexican mestizo cluster then mestizos are 100% mexican like ashkenazi jews on 23andme are 100% ashkenazi/european but they are mix of mideast and europe thats the same with balkan cluster, then they appear as 100% balkan/europe but if you divide it they are part mideastern

Exactly. If you look at genetic maps, Europeans form a fairly tight cluster which is separate from Caucasus/Anatolian groups. I think FTDNA was right to separate them as they are a distinct cluster.

JQP4545

05-08-2014, 10:01 AM

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/TR8ox_MI6qI/AAAAAAAADIE/zEcyBpR0U8s/s1600/MDS1600.png

Anatolians are significantly different from Europeans.

Yehiel

05-08-2014, 10:22 AM

There is a problem with the clusters they chose to have.They are certainly not enough for some regions and on the other hand too many for some others.
They have like 20 samples from each region.If this is enough there is no way they couldn't have found such a number of samples from any region they wanted.

It makes no sense, i compared GEDmatch with JQP4545 and im more Southwest Asian, and North African (Even though he is more Caucasus) yet he has Middle East and i dont !

JQP4545

05-08-2014, 11:36 AM

It makes no sense, i compared GEDmatch with JQP4545 and im more Southwest Asian, and North African (Even though he is more Caucasus) yet he has Middle East and i dont !

GEDMatch is made by amateurs so I would think FTDNA is more accurate. Your Med spot is right on Sicily so you probably have no more North African or SW Asian than a Sicilian. I, on the other hand, probably have some ancestry from Anatolia that most Europeans don't have.

JQP4545

05-08-2014, 11:41 AM

JQP4545

05-08-2014, 11:45 AM

Dodecad also agrees that I have ancestry from Anatolia/Caucasus:

Pct. Calc. Option 1

1 French 74.07%
2 Georgians 11.89%
3 Polish 4.28%
4 Finnish 3.99%
5 Bulgarians 2.36%
6 Romanians 1.43%
7 Mandenka 1.06%
8 Mozabite 0.68%
9 Japanese 0.24%
10 Bulgarian 0.00%

cally

05-08-2014, 01:19 PM

Buggy results for me imo.It's interesting though since NMB was almost removed from my results,to see what makes it, if I compare mine to my uncle's results.It's roughly like 2 parts of european coastal plane and 1 part of anatolian.I think it would be normal if I had something like 55-60%% NBM ~15% anatolian.
http://s15.postimg.org/3v128bzh7/myor6.png
Mine

http://s11.postimg.org/6iktg2ttv/myoruncle.png
Uncle's

The only explanation I have for your results is maybe one side of your family is very atypically northern genetically while the other is atypically southern.. hope this helps! Your uncles results make sense to me, especially his trans ural/north med ratio

HellLander87

05-08-2014, 01:21 PM

JQP4545

05-08-2014, 01:24 PM

If you look at this map and then look at FTDNA's clusters they actually match really well.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/TR8ox_MI6qI/AAAAAAAADIE/zEcyBpR0U8s/s1600/MDS1600.png

JQP4545

05-08-2014, 01:26 PM

HellLander87

05-08-2014, 01:35 PM

The only explanation I have for your results is maybe one side of your family is very atypically northern genetically while the other is atypically southern.. hope this helps! Your uncles results make sense to me, especially his trans ural/north med ratio
My results make sense because because allmost all the european I score is kind of north euro.I score something like 50% Atlantic_baltic at some other calculators while here coastal plain+trans ural make up 48%.It seems most of my southern genes were lumped to middle eastern. The north med cluster is kind of mixed and the system has trouble whether to show an individual as north med or breaking it up to an equivalent north euro+middle eastern.

Yehiel

05-08-2014, 02:16 PM

GEDMatch is made by amateurs so I would think FTDNA is more accurate. Your Med spot is right on Sicily so you probably have no more North African or SW Asian than a Sicilian. I, on the other hand, probably have some ancestry from Anatolia that most Europeans don't have.

Gedmatch is much more accurate for most people than 23andme and FTDNA, including me. I have more north African than somebody who will be 1/4 Sicilian and more southwest asian for someone who would be 1/4 sicilian. Thats why i asked to compare with you (I compare with anyone who is 1/4 sicilian, even though your 25% greek, close enough). & i am consistently more North African and Southwest Asian. Your theory makes no sense because then Sicilians would be getting 100% North Med Basin, FTDNA just has low samples right now.. Your theory would be right if North Med Basin included the Southwest Asian and North African with it but I dont think it does...

paksaltopam

05-08-2014, 02:39 PM

Here are mine, my mom's, and my aunt (dad's sister)
Mine
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b215/lilbabyp824/pammyorigin_zps9a317620.jpg

My mom's (100% Italian, 75% Sicilian (Trapani) 25% Napolitano)
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b215/lilbabyp824/susanmyorigin_zpsf660262d.jpg

My aunt's (25% Danish, 25%German, 25% Lithuanian, 25% Ukrainian)
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b215/lilbabyp824/gailmyorigin_zps14547c4c.jpg

I'm guessing I get Jewish Diaspora and neither of them do because I'm both Eastern European and Middle Eastern by way of Sicily so it's taking that to be Ashkenazi.

Black Wolf

05-08-2014, 02:43 PM

GEDmatch especially the Eurogenes calculators/oracles are more accurate than this update from FTDNA.

paksaltopam

05-08-2014, 02:47 PM

GEDmatch never really gets me right, but I'm a bit of a mutt. It gets my mom pretty spot on.

Yehiel

05-08-2014, 03:56 PM

GEDmatch especially the Eurogenes calculators/oracles are more accurate than this update from FTDNA.

Definitely, always has been better then 23andme, FTDNA, and Ancestry.com

cally

05-08-2014, 04:26 PM

Gedmatch calculators show always consistent results for people of similar ancestry.Myorgins is like randomly assigning values to some clusters.Dienekes and Polako seem to have done a great job selecting their clusters in comparison to this. Ftdna wanting to make their product fancy used rather poorly selected and inappropriate clusters.They should have been more serious.

It shows consistent results because it's averaging them out if you go to chromosome view on gedmatch you can see which components are dominant on a particular chromosome. That's why me and you are somewhat similar on gedmatch but on here the sources of these components are different yet our north south ratios are still the same.

This may be saying some of your genetics come from atypically northern (Slavic influenced genetics, makes sense as your uncle clusters with Slavic Macedonians) ancestors while other ancestors are more Sicilian/Southern Italian like. Overall you are similar to me because on gedmatch there was a calculator which stated I was as much Atlantic as you. My ancestors probably had similar north/south ratios as each other. I.e. Generally Balkan Mediterranean with little to no Slavic influences

Albanians on ftdna are getting consistent results which are in accordance with their gedmatch results. For instance the more northern they are on gedmatch, the more trans-ural they score at ftdna and the more Mediterranean they are on Gedmatch the less trans-ural and more Mediterranean they score at ftdna ect as expected. This suggests that these northern components in the Balkans are from north Eastern rather than western/central europe

Genetic recombination may be the cause of the discrepancies between family member results. Just a thought, I would like someone to challenge this

JQP4545

05-08-2014, 05:26 PM

Definitely, always has been better then 23andme, FTDNA, and Ancestry.com

IMO MyOrigins is way better than 23andMe.

JQP4545

05-08-2014, 05:31 PM

Gedmatch is much more accurate for most people than 23andme and FTDNA, including me. I have more north African than somebody who will be 1/4 Sicilian and more southwest asian for someone who would be 1/4 sicilian. Thats why i asked to compare with you (I compare with anyone who is 1/4 sicilian, even though your 25% greek, close enough). & i am consistently more North African and Southwest Asian. Your theory makes no sense because then Sicilians would be getting 100% North Med Basin, FTDNA just has low samples right now.. Your theory would be right if North Med Basin included the Southwest Asian and North African with it but I dont think it does...

Lol, its called variation. You are only a few fractions of a percent away from the Dodecad average for a Sicilian.

HellLander87

05-08-2014, 05:36 PM

It shows consistent results because it's averaging them out if you go to chromosome view on gedmatch you can see which components are dominant on a particular chromosome. That's why me and you are somewhat similar on gedmatch but on here the sources of these components are different yet our north south ratios are still the same.

This may be saying some of your genetics come from atypically northern (Slavic influenced genetics, makes sense as your uncle clusters with Slavic Macedonians) ancestors while other ancestors are more Sicilian/Southern Italian like. Overall you are similar to me because on gedmatch there was a calculator which stated I was as much Atlantic as you. My ancestors probably had similar north/south ratios as each other. I.e. Generally Balkan Mediterranean with little to no Slavic influences

Albanians on ftdna are getting consistent results which are in accordance with their gedmatch results. For instance the more northern they are on gedmatch, the more trans-ural they score at ftdna and the more Mediterranean they are on Gedmatch the less trans-ural and more Mediterranean they score at ftdna ect as expected. This suggests that these northern components in the Balkans are from north Eastern rather than western/central europe

Genetic recombination may be the cause of the discrepancies between family member results. Just a thought, I would like someone to challenge this
I checked now at Gedmatch.At K7b I score about 49% Atlantic_Baltic my uncle(mother's brother) about 52%.At k13 he just scores like +3% more North Atlantic and +1% baltic.It isn't that much big a difference.My father may be just a bit more southern than me but overall since both my parents are from roughly the same region it's unprobable that their deep ancestries are from completely different regions.This thing doesn't work like 23andme where they claim that if you score 4% e.g British you probably have ancestry from there ,but on some distances and similarities to reference populations..

If these clusters were indeed showing that a part of my genes came from one place and another part from a different, I wouldn't have such differences with my uncle's results as to score almost no north med while he scores 56% and to score 36% euro coastal plain while he scores none.

cally

05-08-2014, 05:57 PM

I checked now at Gedmatch.At K7b I score about 49% Atlantic_Baltic my uncle(mother's brother) about 52%.At k13 he just scores like +3% more North Atlantic and +1% baltic.It isn't that much big a difference.My father may be just a bit more southern than me but overall since both my parents are from roughly the same region it's unprobable that their deep ancestries are from completely different regions.This thing doesn't work like 23andme where they claim that if you score 4% e.g British you probably have ancestry from there ,but on some distances and similarities to reference populations..

If these clusters were indeed showing that a part of my genes came from one place and another part from a different, I wouldn't have such differences with my uncle's results as to score almost no north med while he scores 56% and to score 36% euro coastal plain while he scores none.

Interesting. Since we share only 25% of our DNA with uncles I think it's best if you compare with siblings or father/mother :) maybe you'll get more accurate results. I think uncles are genetically too distant for this case

of course what I said earlier was just a silly theory of mine but I think you shouldn't completely dismiss these results like some users have. It could provide a different perspective who knows.

Yehiel

05-08-2014, 06:29 PM

Lol, its called variation. You are only a few fractions of a percent away from the Dodecad average for a Sicilian.

A 1/4 sicilian gets 2% SWAsian I get 4% but we are about equal for north African but i get a little more. 2% is not a fraction of a percent man.

JQP4545

05-10-2014, 04:52 PM

:D

If you look at the plots they are pretty consistent with what other population samples show:

https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/PCA.png

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/TR8ox_MI6qI/AAAAAAAADIE/zEcyBpR0U8s/s1600/MDS1600.png

Bulut

06-27-2014, 01:56 PM

My results - 100% Turkish

48578

Danishmend

06-27-2014, 10:19 PM

My results - 100% Turkish

48578

Welcome aboard. Where are you from?

Bulut

06-28-2014, 07:42 AM

Thank you, i'm from Turkey.

Danishmend

06-28-2014, 08:55 AM

Thank you, i'm from Turkey.

I mean, where are you from in Turkey?

Bulut

06-28-2014, 09:07 AM

Mostly from Black Sea Region.

Azalea

06-28-2014, 11:30 AM

Mostly from Black Sea Region.

Forum'a hoşgeldin!

The Black Sea is a very large region, could you be a bit more specific? From your results I am guessing that you from the Western or Central regions of the Black Sea. Not sure though.

Bulut

06-28-2014, 11:38 AM

Çok teşekkürler :)

Exactly, Samsun, Çankırı and actually Ankara too.

Ice

06-28-2014, 01:18 PM

Gedmatch hesabin var mi ? Ozelden verebilirsin.

Bulut

06-28-2014, 01:56 PM

Gedmatch hesabin var mi ? Ozelden verebilirsin.

F308211

Fenrir

06-29-2014, 10:43 PM

My results:

http://s28.postimg.org/g56l6hcb1/rsz_1rsz_0b123.png

PlanA

07-04-2014, 10:55 PM

My results:

http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j474/london110685/genetics/familytree_dna_01_04_jul_2014_zpsf157bcf4.png
http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j474/london110685/genetics/familytree_dna_02_04_jul_2014_zps3de56c73.png

PlanA

07-06-2014, 12:11 AM

Does anyone have Arab/Kurdish/Armenian/North African and Iranian results of FTDNA MyOrigins?I would like to compare my results with them :D

Thrax

07-22-2014, 09:33 AM

Finally I've got my results today. I expected more Southern Europe, though.

49288

Annihilus

07-22-2014, 06:58 PM

cool, finally something new

http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu38/ann1h1lus/ftdna1.jpg
http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu38/ann1h1lus/ftdna2.jpg

not too bad imo

FunkyWanderer

07-24-2014, 05:37 PM

I'm French Canadian, descended from french nobility

http://www.funked.org/images/myorigins.jpg

http://www.funked.org/images/myorigins.jpg

Yehiel

07-24-2014, 05:40 PM

I'm French Canadian, descended from french nobility

http://www.funked.org/images/myorigins.jpg

http://www.funked.org/images/myorigins.jpg

wow nice not many 100%

Jackson

10-15-2014, 02:01 AM

Here are my Dad's results:
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/DadFTDNAMyorigins.png

Alessio

10-15-2014, 02:18 AM

IMO MyOrigins is way better than 23andMe.

No way..

cally

10-15-2014, 03:38 AM

Not accurate ..I score 79% Mediterranean while others in my ethnicity may score 20%

Guapo

10-15-2014, 04:07 AM

Ftdna is good for haplogroups, subclades etc

Jackson

10-17-2014, 09:46 PM

Here's the results for my father's parents:

Paternal Grandfather:
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/GrandfatherMyorigins.png

Paternal Grandmother:
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/GrandmotherMyorigins.png

EdAlencar

11-02-2014, 02:09 AM

I am Brazilian "from" these states (Ceará, Pernambuco, Paraiba and Alagoas):

http://angelro.org/odin/estados.png

And here are my results:

http://angelro.org/odin/ftdna.png

evon

11-02-2014, 06:29 PM

Our results:

Mine:
http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp207/vulcanphoto/mew.png

Mother:
http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp207/vulcanphoto/Screenshotfrom2014-06-17180337.png

Maternal Grandmother:
http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp207/vulcanphoto/gran-1.png

Reith

11-18-2014, 02:05 PM

My results52410

ConjureExLibris

11-18-2014, 10:45 PM

MyOrigins map in several parts

http://i58.tinypic.com/dwfkg8.jpg

http://i57.tinypic.com/15nvdop.png

http://i57.tinypic.com/21md8i0.png

http://i61.tinypic.com/14tae7d.png

http://i60.tinypic.com/12334t5.png

http://i62.tinypic.com/rkdmx1.png

http://i62.tinypic.com/nbbrew.png

Longbowman

11-18-2014, 10:55 PM

Is it supposed to have changed?

Alessio

11-25-2014, 11:41 PM

23andme does a much better job with at least one parent tested.

My Results:

THOUGHTS: Definitely a big improvement. Much MORE accurate then my current 23andme results!!! My Med component stretches into North Africa and is centered in Sicily, I am very suprised not to have any Jewish Diaspora (even though it says its focused on Ashkenaz) and North African even though my Med does stretch into Tunisia, Algeria, and Libya. Everything else is on the money, my East Euro, and North Euro on MYORIGINS is 99% ACCURATE!!! As for the South Asian, It stretches into Iran and I have a Iranian cousin on here (one of my most related matches but also probably Sefardi) so it could be real..

http://i.imgur.com/vuvSlXR.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Mh0klKS.jpg

Alessio

11-25-2014, 11:44 PM

Alessio

11-25-2014, 11:46 PM

I'm French Canadian, descended from french nobility

http://www.funked.org/images/myorigins.jpg

http://www.funked.org/images/myorigins.jpg

''from french nobility''

Who cares... From where in France are your ancestors from ?

Jackson

11-26-2014, 12:51 AM

What about the 18 % Southern Europe from your paternal grandmother ?

It's probably because she has a bit more west_Med than average in most calculators, and is at the southwestern end of the British isles - but i guess it's balanced out by the inflated Scandinavian. On 23&me she is 99.5% northern European.

Oneeye

11-26-2014, 01:03 AM

I need to get out of this thread. Starting to fiend for another testing.

Fraga

11-27-2014, 12:33 AM

I am Brazilian "from" these states (Ceará, Pernambuco, Paraiba and Alagoas):

http://angelro.org/odin/estados.png

And here are my results:

http://angelro.org/odin/ftdna.png

Your mediterranean part is almost identical to mine, witch it 71% north med + 5% middle east (definately moorish invasion). So our Portuguese heritage is very homogeneus, since portuguese settlers in Brazil came mostly from the same regions (Minho and Trás-os-Montes, -North Portugal-) even though I am from extreme south-Brazil (Rio Grande do Sul) and you are from Northeast, we can show that Brazil has some heterogenecity, at least in genes from Portugal... But our differences are that I don't have any SSA and you have 8% SSA + 10% native, while I am 4% native.
I am about 20% Italian, so I guess my 11% British Isles + 8% Eastern Euro comes from that...

Here is mine: 52627

Alessio

11-28-2014, 12:03 AM

Which is basically White/Middle Eastern mix.

I don't recognize the term 'white' as a valid term for genetics sorry..

acbrasil

12-10-2014, 11:53 PM

I think that Eurogenes is more accurate. At least all the tests reflect more German than this.

http://i57.tinypic.com/23j4xsx.jpg

Dictator

12-10-2014, 11:59 PM

I think that Eurogenes is more accurate. At least all the tests reflect more German than this.

http://i57.tinypic.com/23j4xsx.jpg

"Meta-Ethnicity: I'm not Brazilian"

You're lucky. I hope I get lucky in my next incarnation too.

acbrasil

12-11-2014, 11:42 AM

"Meta-Ethnicity: I'm not Brazilian"

You're lucky. I hope I get lucky in my next incarnation too.

Haha, I put that because most people think someone living in Brazil is Brazilian.

Nothing against it though. Brazilians are generally happy-go-lucky kind of people.

Dictator

12-11-2014, 11:50 AM

Haha, I put that because most people think someone living in Brazil is Brazilian.

Nothing against it though. Brazilians are generally happy-go-lucky kind of people.

You can be against it, I'd support you.

Alessio

12-11-2014, 01:09 PM

I think that Eurogenes is more accurate. At least all the tests reflect more German than this.

http://i57.tinypic.com/23j4xsx.jpg

You should test with 23andme and have one or both parents tested. That would be best I think for ''accuracy''

acbrasil

12-11-2014, 01:26 PM

You should test with 23andme and have one or both parents tested. That would be best I think for ''accuracy''

Yup, you read my mind! I sent off an email to my dad this morning telling him to tell his sister to get tested.

I found documents on Familysearch showing that my male line comes from Germany. How cool that was to find that stuff!! Names, dates, kid's names, everything was a perfect match. All the nagging question I had had my whole life, the answers falling into place in the matter of days.

I'm haplogroup G, so it was also cool to find a few G matches very near the place indicated on the familysearch documents. G isn't that common, nor is my surname before it was modified. Imagine, a rare surname, also a G, same geographical region down to a few kilometers!! I just wish people were better at replying to their emails!

firemonkey

12-13-2014, 06:51 AM

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/labile/avatars/myorigins.jpg

Sehnsucht

12-14-2014, 12:38 AM

My grandfather

http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt279/german24/familytreedna_zpsc0a8c8e9.png

RighNick

12-15-2014, 10:56 AM

http://i.imgur.com/rGzh6Ib.png

Edit: Posted a screenshot with all of the sections expanded, not just the European one.

These are perhaps the most confusing set of results I have. My theory is that some of the Spanish is showing up as British and some of the British is showing up as Scandinavian but I'm not really sure.

FunkyWanderer

12-15-2014, 12:28 PM

Reith

12-16-2014, 01:24 PM

Mine..

Pretty interesting that the area in the middle of the 4 areas with color is where I can trace most of my family members too...

53203

acbrasil

12-16-2014, 03:02 PM

I'm French Canadian from colonial times on both sides of my family, going back to the original colonization from France.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=53173&d=1418650013

I believe your results, but what's the probability that 6-7 generations, nobody would marry anyone from a different region. Especially in a place like Canada that has received a lot of immigrants.

acbrasil

12-16-2014, 03:05 PM

Have you guys contacted any matches? So far, I've only had luck with someone who had a very distinctive last name and really like geneology a lot. My matches tend to focus on one side of the family and forget the rest.

I even had one knucklehead write back and say "Nope, we're not related" When we are third cousins, sunames in common, etc..

Reith

12-16-2014, 03:37 PM

I found two matches that are related to me..

FunkyWanderer

12-16-2014, 05:38 PM

I believe your results, but what's the probability that 6-7 generations, nobody would marry anyone from a different region. Especially in a place like Canada that has received a lot of immigrants.

I blame Quebec, their 'distinct nation within a nation' causes the tradition to marry inside the culture(or sub-sub-culture). Besides, most of the immigration in Canada is in the major urban centers. I'm in Toronto, arguably the most multicultural city in the world, but drive 2 hours from here and you're in honky town.

Sehnsucht

12-16-2014, 05:50 PM

I blame Quebec, their 'distinct nation within a nation' causes the tradition to marry inside the culture(or sub-sub-culture). Besides, most of the immigration in Canada is in the major urban centers. I'm in Toronto, arguably the most multicultural city in the world, but drive 2 hours from here and you're in honky town.

I bet you are related to my grandfather his mom is from Quebec.

Oneeye

12-17-2014, 11:25 PM

http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u399/hammer1115/myorigins_zpsdddd4fc5.png (http://s1065.photobucket.com/user/hammer1115/media/myorigins_zpsdddd4fc5.png.html)

Sehnsucht

12-18-2014, 06:35 PM

http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u399/hammer1115/myorigins_zpsdddd4fc5.png (http://s1065.photobucket.com/user/hammer1115/media/myorigins_zpsdddd4fc5.png.html)

What does your wife get?

Trabzon

01-20-2015, 06:27 AM

Turkey Trabzon

54468

Ice

01-20-2015, 06:45 AM

Any info about your/his y-dna?

Gooding

04-29-2015, 02:47 AM

My Origins Back to myFTDNA
Gooding
Ethnic Makeup

European 100%

Western and Central Europe 41%
British Isles 36%
Eastern Europe 11%
Southern Europe 5%
Scandinavia 4%
Finland and Northern Siberia 3%

Who are you? That’s a question with many possible answers. You are the sum of a lifetime of experiences. You are the result of choices you have made. You are the result of truths your parents instilled in you. You are the outcome of values drawn from your culture. From a genetic perspective, however, you are the outcome of a long process of genealogical fusion. A man and a woman coming together, one of millions on a vast constellation which explodes out across the earth, and coalesces back to a few ancient progenitors.

The personal tree of life ends with you.

How can you summarize the shape of this tree, and all of its branches? There is no one way. myOrigins attempts to reduce the wild complexity of your genealogy to the major historical-genetic themes which arc through the life of our species since its emergence 100,000 years ago on the plains of Africa. Each of our 18 clusters describe a vivid and critical color on the palette from which history has drawn the brushstrokes which form the complexity that is your own genome. Though we are all different and distinct, we are also drawn from the same fundamental elements.

The explanatory narratives in myOrigins attempt to shed some detailed light upon each of the threads which we have highlighted in your genetic code. Though the discrete elements are common to all humans, the weight you give to each element is unique to you. Each individual therefore receives a narrative fabric tailored to their own personal history, a story stitched together from bits of DNA.

;

Gooding

04-29-2015, 03:12 AM

Bump.

Nilla

07-14-2015, 08:11 PM

5926459265

Nilla

07-14-2015, 08:17 PM

Longbowman

07-14-2015, 08:18 PM

I'm wondering if anyone can tell me if the transfer of autosomal test data from one company to FTDNA will be accurate? Would it be better for me to purchase the autosomal test kit from FTDNA and mail it back, do you think the results will be different?

FTDNA are useless for ancestry composition anyway. May as well not bother. Save your money and get one of their haplogroup tests.

Iloko

10-14-2016, 03:30 PM

http://i.imgur.com/EmAcuYS.jpg

Ylla

10-14-2016, 06:20 PM

http://i64.tinypic.com/c6e0j.png

Voskos

10-14-2016, 06:25 PM

[QUOTE=Ylla[/QUOTE]

any cretan matches?

GoneWithTheWind

10-14-2016, 06:32 PM

any cretan matches?

The results arent that different from your herzegovinian.

On 23andme she gets 99,9% Euro. Basically 100%

Ftdna seems to count some Balkan admixture as non euro. It also seems you pulled the high % of eastern euro admixture on albs out of your ass.

Voskos

10-14-2016, 06:38 PM

The results arent that different from your herzegovinian.

On 23andme she gets 99,9% Euro. Basically 100%

Ftdna seems to count some Balkan admixture as non euro. It also seems you pulled the high % of eastern euro admixture on albs out of your ass.

some of you are unbelievably annoying. i posted a screenpic of a kosovar with 31 percent slavic in said post . You're quoting me out of nowhere and ,most importantly, out of butthurt.

The results arent that different from your herzegovinian.

i never compared any albanians to herzegovinians. apples and oranges.

Ylla

10-14-2016, 06:41 PM

any cretan matches?

i'm locked out of my account so i can't check right now but last time i only saw kosovar matches.

poiuytrewq0987

10-14-2016, 06:49 PM

FTDNA myorigins result

This looks closer to reality than your 23andme results. We have about the same Asia Minor which I assume is West Asian/Caucasian/ancient Anatolian admixture. I have 13% West Asian while you have 21%. You obviously have far more Southern European than I do at 75% while I only have 42% Southern European. You have 4% Eastern European and mine is at 37% plus Finnish/Northwest Russian aka Finno-Ugric at 5% so 42%. The Albanians clearly assimilated/mixed at least some Slavs. To dismiss it as impossible is just ignoring the reality of population movements. Finally, I don't know why people rag on myorigins when it's pretty accurate overall.

GoneWithTheWind

10-14-2016, 06:57 PM

This looks closer to reality than your 23andme results. We have about the same Asia Minor which I assume is West Asian/Caucasian/ancient Anatolian admixture. I have 13% West Asian while you have 21%. You obviously have far more Southern European than I do at 75% while I only have 42% Southern European. You have 4% Eastern European and mine is at 37% plus Finnish/Northwest Russian aka Finno-Ugric at 5% so 42%. The Albanians clearly assimilated/mixed at least some Slavs. To dismiss it as impossible is just ignoring the reality of population movements. Finally, I don't know why people rag on myorigins when it's pretty accurate overall.

How is it accurate? Some of the Balkan ancestry gets counted as non european. It is ancient. It might be accurate in its own way. But I'd rather take a look of what I am autosomally within the last couple of hundred years.

Neolithic admixture etc can be figured out differently. Dont know what makes you think her 4% east euro is slavic. Could be ancient too. If i remember she got 0% east euro on 23andme?

Ylla

10-14-2016, 06:57 PM

Dick

10-14-2016, 07:04 PM

wow 4% vs. 37% thats cool. yeah we mixed a little here and there, denying it is stupid.

INDEED. I AM 40% PETALPUSHER, 20% KURGAN, REST I FORGET.RUSSIAN MEMBERS I THINK

GoneWithTheWind

10-14-2016, 07:04 PM

some of you are unbelievably annoying. i posted a screenpic of a kosovar with 31 percent slavic in said post . You're quoting me out of nowhere and ,most importantly, out of butthurt.

i never compared any albanians to herzegovinians. apples and oranges.

Im not the one who is butthurt. Go take a look at some Tuscan results then tell me Tuscans are middle easterns+caucasus+slav. Doesnt make any fucking sense.

Wow you posted the result of ONE kosovar who might be atypical :lol:

We first need to look at where that Kosovar clusters to reach any conclusions and what populations he matches the closest. If its generally south euro then the admixture is obviously not slavic.

A guy with that high "slavic" ancestry surely would plot very very north.

poiuytrewq0987

10-15-2016, 02:23 AM

Im not the one who is butthurt. Go take a look at some Tuscan results then tell me Tuscans are middle easterns+caucasus+slav. Doesnt make any fucking sense.

Wow you posted the result of ONE kosovar who might be atypical :lol:

We first need to look at where that Kosovar clusters to reach any conclusions and what populations he matches the closest. If its generally south euro then the admixture is obviously not slavic.

A guy with that high "slavic" ancestry surely would plot very very north.

Funny, you complain about Asia Minor thing being supposedly an ancient thing, yet at the same time you are trying to argue that the Eastern European admixture is ancient and pre-Slavic... just lol. At least, try to be consistent.

poiuytrewq0987

10-15-2016, 05:42 AM

wow 4% vs. 37% thats cool. yeah we mixed a little here and there, denying it is stupid.

Yes, however, it points to a significant genetic gulf between Albanians and Macedonians. If you assimilate Macedonians, then significant inputs of Eastern European will be added to your pool. Probably not a desirable end. That makes the conflict between us all the more difficult with the sick antiquization. In fact, I find weird parallels with our situation and the segregation in the American South.

Kriptc06

10-27-2016, 11:40 PM

Will ftdna 79 dollarstest give me haplogroups?

Dick

10-28-2016, 02:13 AM

Will ftdna 79 dollarstest give me haplogroups?

YES FUSTAN, DIDNT YOU GET YOUR RESULT BACK?

Kriptc06

10-28-2016, 02:15 AM

YES FUSTAN, DIDNT YOU GET YOUR RESULT BACK?
i bougth yesterday, it will arrive in 10 business day, it said.

Kukulkan

11-27-2016, 08:19 PM

An interpretation that stands out in comparison to others
Usually I get some eastern and western europe alongside my obvious Scandinavian
Made this for shits n giggles.
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DRUM

12-14-2016, 03:05 PM

http://puu.sh/sPjIc/a452ad37f5.png

Enflamme

12-14-2016, 11:37 PM

Family Tree Dna has just made a new update to MyOrigins?

Voskos

12-16-2016, 07:06 PM

[IMG]http://puu.sh/sPjIc/a452ad37

How much WHG do you get on the Ancient calc?

Peterski

12-16-2016, 07:07 PM

http://puu.sh/sPjIc/a452ad37f5.png

Interesting. Are you fully Moroccan ??? 14% Eastern Europe ???

Voskos

12-16-2016, 07:09 PM

lol, he is kosovar.not moroccan

Peterski

12-16-2016, 07:12 PM

lol, he is kosovar.not moroccan

LOL, I thought he is descended from the "lost Slavic tribe" in Morocco: :p

http://www.slavorum.org/slavic-fortress-in-morocco-poles-in-search-of-the-ancient-african-secret/

http://scienceinpoland.pap.pl/en/news/news,411101,polish-archaeologists-will-look-slavic-fortress-in-morocco.html

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?196070-Slavs-in-Rif-Morocco&p=4081525&viewfull=1#post4081525

Peterski

12-16-2016, 07:28 PM

Neolithic admixture etc can be figured out differently. Dont know what makes you think her 4% east euro is slavic. Could be ancient too. If i remember she got 0% east euro on 23andme?

23andMe only goes back ca. 500 years. FTDNA myOrigins digs much deeper into the past:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?196010-Is-ftdna-MyOrigins-worth-it&p=4081630&viewfull=1#post4081630

This is also why Non-European percentages often tend to be higher on FTDNA myOrigins.

DRUM

12-16-2016, 09:46 PM

How much WHG do you get on the Ancient calc?

http://puu.sh/sOyY7/e5eae8ba7e.png

GoneWithTheWind

12-16-2016, 10:07 PM

23andMe only goes back ca. 500 years. FTDNA myOrigins digs much deeper into the past:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?196010-Is-ftdna-MyOrigins-worth-it&p=4081630&viewfull=1#post4081630

This is also why Non-European percentages often tend to be higher on FTDNA myOrigins.

Wegene goes back ancient too doesnt it? Yet i see albs there score 99% balkan

GoneWithTheWind

12-16-2016, 10:10 PM

Interesting. Are you fully Moroccan ??? 14% Eastern Europe ???

This guy on wegene gets 99% Balkan i believe. On 23andme he gets 88% if i recall correctly. His asia minor/middle eastern is higher than Yllas and also east euro

Voskos

12-17-2016, 03:01 PM

This guy on wegene gets 99% Balkan i believe. On 23andme he gets 88% if i recall correctly. His asia minor/middle eastern is higher than Yllas and also east euro

both his eastern euro and caucasus are normal for albos. among the purest Balkanic results I've seen, along with Ylla's.

Lek

12-27-2016, 11:51 PM

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23andMe only goes back ca. 500 years. FTDNA myOrigins digs much deeper into the past:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?196010-Is-ftdna-MyOrigins-worth-it&p=4081630&viewfull=1#post4081630

This is also why Non-European percentages often tend to be higher on FTDNA myOrigins.

There is no non european on ancientorigins

https://s20.postimg.org/8fxisx1il/IMG_20161224_142529.png

While its my origins decides to call some ancient neolithic dna (im guessing) for "non euro" .. Its basically contradicting itself and of course it does not make any sense

Tschaikisten

12-27-2016, 11:52 PM

There is no non european on ancientorigins

https://s20.postimg.org/8fxisx1il/IMG_20161224_142529.png

While its my origins decides to call some ancient neolithic dna (im guessing) for "non euro" .. Its basically contradicting itself and of course it does not make any sense

Middle Eastern on MyOrigins means Neolithic admixture, not non-european/white, right?

Lek

12-27-2016, 11:56 PM

Middle Eastern on MyOrigins means Neolithic admixture, not non-european/white, right?

Yes because here on ancient origins i get 0 % non euro

https://s20.postimg.org/gmpikhrl9/IMG_20161224_142432.png

While myorigins gives me 20% non euro which im guessing is neolithic, basically ancient populations moved from asia minor.. It shouldnt be counted as non euro. Its a huge error they have made. Its contradicting

Longbowman

12-28-2016, 12:01 AM

Dude I have recent Indian ancestry and I don't get any non-euro on ancient origins - the Farmer category includes non-Euro.

jingorex

12-28-2016, 12:06 AM

if you aint north sea.

you're negroid.

that. is. all.

https://i.sli.mg/mLq6QI.jpg

Lek

12-28-2016, 12:19 AM

if you aint north sea.

you're negroid.

that. is. all.

https://i.sli.mg/mLq6QI.jpg

But youre mongolid?

Tschaikisten

12-28-2016, 12:22 AM

if you aint north sea.

you're negroid.

that. is. all.

https://i.sli.mg/mLq6QI.jpg

Is that Vuletic in Montenegro? :laugh: We have same 18/23 markers.
He's tested at Ftdna, I will do test there in future, for DYS388 and DYS531.
http://i.imgur.com/zI6Ggbk.png

jingorex

12-28-2016, 12:55 AM

Is that Vuletic in Montenegro? :laugh: We have same 18/23 markers.
He's tested at Ftdna, I will do test there in future, for DYS388 and DYS531.
http://i.imgur.com/zI6Ggbk.png

i love you cousin!

Lek

12-28-2016, 03:56 PM

Dude I have recent Indian ancestry and I don't get any non-euro on ancient origins - the Farmer category includes non-Euro.

I wasnt aware of your indian ancestry.

So whats your point? That its accurate and That every Balkanite has recent MENA ancestry? Because ive had people ask me this. Every Balkanite gets it from Serb to Greek. Dna land didnt give me any non euro. I got 100% south euro. Its in accordance with my ancientorigins result.

The farmer category on ancientorigins doesnt include non euro thats why there is a non-euro category there. People like Mortimer with non euro ancestry get non euro there on ancient origins.

Its rather some ancient farmer dna or metal age invader that is counted as asia minor on their myorigins, but youre actually telling me its the opposite because of your results alone? Its related to ancient population movments. Just like East European seems to be ancient steppe DNA.

Your own results isnt the be and all. You gotta look at the whole picture or theres something about your ancestry you dont know? There are individuals who got errors in a lot of these tests that doesnt change the whole picture. Lastly, i dont recall you getting indian/south asian on 23andme?

Dna tribes explains it the same way

Q: Can people of European family origins obtain DNA matches with Middle Eastern populations?

A: Yes. DNA Tribes® results locate all world populations where a person's autosomal DNA is shared. Results are not related to appearance and can express deeper and ancient genetic relationships that cross perceived ethnic boundaries. Specifically, results for people of European family origins can include DNA matches with Middle Eastern and, in some rare cases, South Asian or Central Asian populations. These DNA matches can express genetic traces of shared origins, migrations, and trade contacts linking Europe with neighboring populations of West Eurasia.
In the context of world genetic structure, European populations are related to both South Asian and Middle Eastern populations. For instance, the wider context for European ancestry is described in more detail in this past Digest article:http://dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-2013-04-02.pdf
These European links with the Middle East are not limited to any individual ethnic group or region of Europe. Rather, European populations as a whole are related to Middle Eastern populations as a basic feature of world genetic structure. Genetic differences between European and Middle Eastern regions are comparable to genetic differences between Siberian and East Asian populations: that is, there are local differences between related populations that have been linked through shared origins and ongoing contacts throughout prehistory and history.
More information about the genetic links between Europe and the Near East is available at http://dnatribes. com/sample-results/dnatribes-global-survey-july2013.pdf (STR) and http://dnatribes.com/dnatribes-snp-admixture- 2012-08-01.pdf (SNP).
A more in-depth discussion of European genetic links with neighboring parts of the world, including probable European origins from ancestral West Asian populations, is included in these Digest articles: http://dnatribes. com/dnatribes-digest-2013-01-02.pdf and http://dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-2012-06-01.pdf

http://www.dnatribes.com/faq.php

And my DNA land results:

https://s20.postimg.org/b2vestm99/IMG_20161225_072258.png

Era

12-28-2016, 03:59 PM

Dude I have recent Indian ancestry and I don't get any non-euro on ancient origins - the Farmer category includes non-Euro.

You do know that jews in India are not indian, right?

Longbowman

12-28-2016, 04:18 PM

You do know that jews in India are not indian, right?

Depends on the Jew, but with the exception of the Paradesi, of course, they're certainly not European.

@IceT: no, I'm not saying all SE Euros are part-MENA, I'm saying the ancient ancestry thing doesn't rule it out. But you're not.

Era

12-28-2016, 04:20 PM

Depends on the Jew, but with the exception of the Paradesi, of course, they're certainly not European.

.

Not European is debatable, since they labeled ashkenazis ( and sephardis?) as Euro, but still not indian

Longbowman

12-29-2016, 03:01 AM

Not European is debatable, since they labeled ashkenazis ( and sephardis?) as Euro, but still not indian

I have recent Musta'arabi Jewish (Mizrakhi) ancestry, though.

jingorex

12-31-2016, 04:21 AM

But youre mongolid?

swinging it like an estwing!

https://i.sli.mg/f8c8YS.jpg