Nikola Tesla Y-DNA

[1stLightHorse]

Likely Y-DNA of Nikola Tesla:

The Serbian-American scientist and inventor Nikola Tesla (1856-1943), most famous for his work on the modern alternating current (AC) electricity supply system, the induction motor, the Tesla coil, etc., is thought to have belonged to haplogroup I2a-Din-S (L147.2+). The Serbian DNA Project at Poreklo has tested a Tesla from the same village as Nikola's father, who is very likely from the same Tesla line.

http://www-tc.pbs.org/prod-media/newshour/photos/2013/07/10/Tesla_circa_1890_slideshow.jpeg

[Jackson]

Another I hero. :D

[1stLightHorse]

Another I hero. :D

He was also really tall, 198cm or 6'6.

[Svipdag]

Another I hero. :D

He has been a hero of mine for the past 70 years.

[1stLightHorse]

He has been a hero of mine for the past 70 years.

What do you think about the 'free energy' systems that Tesla supposedly created, do you think they were suppressed by the various energy industries to continue profiteering?

[wvwvw]

What I find amusing is that Tesla in Slavic means Thessalian :tongue

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-z1BO1AnLb64/UaM5YFVGEFI/AAAAAAAAE-w/yzesCevO8sU/s1600/Screenshot.png

http://www.babynames.com/name/Tesla

[SobieskisavedEurope]

What I find amusing is that Tesla in Slavic means Thessalian :tongue

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-z1BO1AnLb64/UaM5YFVGEFI/AAAAAAAAE-w/yzesCevO8sU/s1600/Screenshot.png

http://www.babynames.com/name/Tesla

There is the same surname in Poland.

It is Ciesla pronounced Tesla & it means carpenter.

[MINARDOWICZ]

He has been a hero of mine for the past 70 years.

Same.

[Vojnik]

The superior haplogroup. I'm very proud to have it. :)

[Artek]

Martin Luther and Miklos Horthy were I2a-Din as well but they belonged to the "Northern" clade.

[1stLightHorse]

Martin Luther and Miklos Horthy were I2a-Din as well but they belonged to the "Northern" clade.

Yes, i saw that on Eupedia which is where i sourced this from too. I should have mentioned it in the OP.

[Drawing-slim]

I2a right here:laugh:

[Alenka]

What I find amusing is that Tesla in Slavic means Thessalian :tongue

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-z1BO1AnLb64/UaM5YFVGEFI/AAAAAAAAE-w/yzesCevO8sU/s1600/Screenshot.png

http://www.babynames.com/name/Tesla
In Slovene tesla means carpenters axe.

[1stLightHorse]

I2a right here:laugh:

You know, i'm actually shocked how many I2a balkanites there are here.

Although I2a is still 'common' in the balkans I was expecting there to be overwhelming majority of E-V13, but it seems the majority here are I2a.

[Pribislav]

Likely Y-DNA of Nikola Tesla:

The Serbian-American scientist and inventor Nikola Tesla (1856-1943), most famous for his work on the modern alternating current (AC) electricity supply system, the induction motor, the Tesla coil, etc., is thought to have belonged to haplogroup I2a-Din-S (L147.2+). The Serbian DNA Project at Poreklo has tested a Tesla from the same village as Nikola's father, who is very likely from the same Tesla line.

Wrong, he was R1a-M458>L1029.
https://i.imgur.com/rStn9hL.jpg

[RenaRyuguu]

bump

[Ayetooey]

Sadly he ended up being R1a.

[RenaRyuguu]

Sadly he ended up being R1a.

Did they dig up his body lol?

[Ayetooey]

Did they dig up his body lol?

They tested other relatives; the I2a relative originally tested was a false one whos paternal ancestor had ended up taking the surname of his wife (who was a Tesla). Confirmed paternal relatives of Tesla are all R1a-M458; which is west slavic/wend.

[Pribislav]

Sadly he ended up being R1a.

Tesla family is R1a like most of Serbian medieval nobility. :) There is a legend that Tesla's ancestors were Serbian medieval nobility. Serbian families for which there is evediences for noble origin or which has a lagends about noble origin are more R1a than enything else, for now.

[Ayetooey]

Tesla family is R1a like most of Serbian medieval nobility. :) There is a legend that Tesla's ancestors were Serbian medieval nobility. Serbian families for which there is evediences for noble origin or which has a lagends about noble origin are more R1a than enything else, for now.

It was suggested by some that the Шобот line which is I2a comes from Mrnjavčević no clue if this is true or not since I've heard others claim the line was e-v13.

[Pribislav]

It was suggested by some that the Шобот line which is I2a comes from Mrnjavčević no clue if this is true or not since I've heard others claim the line was e-v13.

Serbian family Bursać (from W. Bosnia, Northern Dalmatia and Lika) claim Mrnjavčević origin as well, and they are R1a-M458. On one Serbian farum I heard claim that Bursaći has a match with Macedonian guy from Prilep. Mrnjevčević capital was Prilep when they ruled on N. Macedonia in 14th century.

[Ayetooey]

Serbian family Bursać (from W. Bosnia, Northern Dalmatia and Lika) claim Mrnjavčević origin as well, and they are R1a-M458. On one Serbian farum I heard claim that Bursaći has a match with Macedonian guy from Prilep. Mrnjevčević capital was Prilep when they ruled on N. Macedonia in 14th century.

There is also a cluster of e-v13 carriers who claim Mrnjavčević origin. I'm a match with a Шобот family from Drvar on my Y dna. My line, Шобот and Mrnjavčević are all Mitrovdan; which as you know is uncommon in Prečani Serbs.

[Pribislav]

There is also a cluster of e-v13 carriers who claim Mrnjavčević origin. I'm a match with a Шобот family from Drvar on my Y dna. My line, Шобот and Mrnjavčević are all Mitrovdan; which as you know is uncommon in Prečani Serbs.

Pre-Kuči (or "Old Kuči) who are R1a-Z280 also claim Mrnjavčević origin.

Without testing bones of some member of Mrnjavčević dynasty all these are just unproven claims or wannabe Mrnjavčević.

[MagnusDark]

It was suggested by some that the Шобот line which is I2a comes from Mrnjavčević no clue if this is true or not since I've heard others claim the line was e-v13.

Idk. I heard due to the very successful expansion of I2 in the Balkans, that it likely was connected to nobility as well. I highly doubt nobles were one haplogroup during most of these medieval Kingdoms. Some think Stefan Dusan spread PH908 or some clades of it rather(to be more precise).

[Ayetooey]

Idk. I heard due to the very successful expansion of I2 in the Balkans, that it likely was connected to nobility as well. I highly doubt nobles were one haplogroup during most of these medieval Kingdoms. Some think Stefan Dusan spread PH908 or some clades of it rather(to be more precise).

I've heard that also; Mrnjavčević also came from Zachlumia originally, modern day Herzegovina where PH908 peaks. This is partially wishful thinking on my part though, as it would be cool to be descended from Mrnjavčević. As pribislav said it's pointless until they test some bones.

[MagnusDark]

I've heard that also; Mrnjavčević also came from Zachlumia originally, modern day Herzegovina where PH908 peaks. This is partially wishful thinking on my part though, as it would be cool to be descended from Mrnjavčević. As pribislav said it's pointless until they test some bones.

True. Sadly, most Balkan governments venerate dead medieval lords, so digging them up would be tantamount to blasphemy.

[Pribislav]

I've heard that also; Mrnjavčević also came from Zachlumia originally, modern day Herzegovina where PH908 peaks. This is partially wishful thinking on my part though, as it would be cool to be descended from Mrnjavčević. As pribislav said it's pointless until they test some bones.

Mrnjavčevići originated from Livno (SW Bosnia) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livno

[RenaRyuguu]

weak humanoid restore.

Alive somewhere in Japan in ectoplasm form.

[leisitox]

weak humanoid restore.

Alive somewhere in Japan in ectoplasm form.

:dizzy:

[lyakh]

To which subclade of CTS11962 or L1029 Tesla appears to belong? YP417 (which is quite common among East Slavs)?

M458 is probably relatively rare in South Slavic countries, especially from former Yugoslavia, in the comparison to West Slavic populations (especially Sorbs and Poles) and even East Slavic ones.

[Pribislav]

To which subclade of CTS11962 or L1029 Tesla appears to belong? YP417 (which is quite common among East Slavs)?

M458 is probably relatively rare in South Slavic countries, especially from former Yugoslavia, in the comparison to West Slavic populations (especially Sorbs and Poles) and even East Slavic ones.

L1029.

https://i.imgur.com/rStn9hL.jpg

[vbnetkhio]

To which subclade of CTS11962 or L1029 Tesla appears to belong? YP417 (which is quite common among East Slavs)?

M458 is probably relatively rare in South Slavic countries, especially from former Yugoslavia, in the comparison to West Slavic populations (especially Sorbs and Poles) and even East Slavic ones.

he is R-YP417

it's not that rare
https://dnk.poreklo.rs/DNK-projekat/
4 R1a > R-A11460
84 R1a > R-YP417
14 R1a > R-M458
5 R1a > R-L260
14 R1a > R-L1029

out of 481 total R1a

[Leto]

Nikola Tesla was R1a and possibly strongly "Baltic" given he was from Croatia :cool:

[MagnusDark]

he is R-YP417

it's not that rare
https://dnk.poreklo.rs/DNK-projekat/
4 R1a > R-A11460
84 R1a > R-YP417
14 R1a > R-M458
5 R1a > R-L260
14 R1a > R-L1029

out of 481 total R1a

It appears it makes up 20 percent of total R1a(give or take). Compared to Z280, M458 is pretty low in the Balkans. Albanians for instance have more I2a1b-Din than the average Balkanite has M458. With exception of Bulgarians, and Romanians, and to some extent Macedonians who have a little more M458 on average than other Balkanites. Even some Baltic countries have similar levels to Buglarians and Romanians, and yet more than other Balkanites. With regard to Croatians, I recall someone mention in the past they were recorded incorrectly and are more dominant in Z280. Not sure though.

Of course all the distribution can vary here or there. Given there are different data sets. But, I don't see current breakdown radically changing. A11460 seems very interesting/rare.

M458:

https://i.postimg.cc/MKJfM0jH/b3bb1e78a296b20355b9c8a875f7e73d.png

This is an old one from 2014, but I like how they break down different clades of R1a that are most dominant.

https://i.postimg.cc/QdkQx44j/u3g8pprkb8jz.jpg

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Nikola Tesla was R1a and possibly strongly "Baltic" given he was from Croatia :cool:

What "Baltic" ? As i know there are no ancient M458 samples, so i don't understand his "Baltic" character.

[Jana]

M458 map for Croatia is wrong, here most common type of R1a is Z280>CTS1211
Only few northern Adriatic Islands are very strongly M458.


What "Baltic" ? As i know there are no ancient M458 samples, so i don't understand his "Baltic" character.

He means he would probably score more Baltic on eurogenes than Serbian average. But funny enough he was very native Balkan looking.

[Jana]

double post.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

M458 map for Croatia is wrong, here most common type of R1a is Z280>CTS1211
Only few northern Adriatic Islands are very strongly M458.



He means he would probably score more Baltic on eurogenes than Serbian average. But funny enough he was very native Balkan looking.

Well, as i know he had blue eyes.

[Jana]

Well, as i know he had blue eyes.

Oh, and native Balkanites had no blue eyes? He would pass much better in Albania or Greece than in Belarus or southern Russia. He wasn't Slavic looking.
Btw, he doesn't look blue eyed in this photo:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/N.Tesla.JPG/800px-N.Tesla.JPG

Most likely greenish or hazel eyes if not light brown.

[vbnetkhio]

https://i.postimg.cc/MKJfM0jH/b3bb1e78a296b20355b9c8a875f7e73d.png


this map is updated now:
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml#distribution



https://i.postimg.cc/QdkQx44j/u3g8pprkb8jz.jpg

r-l1280 is dominant only in the Serbia/Bosnia border area, not in the whole Western Balkans.

the R-YP3987 here is R-L1280:
https://dnk.poreklo.rs/DNK-projekat/

the athor probably didn't care much about the Balkans, North and Central Europe are much more detailed.

[Jana]

^^^^^Eupedia forgot to update this map:
https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-R1a-Y93.png

CTS1211 is much more in Croatia, main type of R1a. Probably 20% of total haplotypes overall.

[MagnusDark]

Oh, and native Balkanites had no blue eyes? He would pass much better in Albania or Greece than in Belarus or southern Russia. He wasn't Slavic looking.
Btw, he doesn't look blue eyed in this photo:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/N.Tesla.JPG/800px-N.Tesla.JPG

Most likely greenish or hazel eyes if not light brown.

He looks pretty South Slavic to me. Of course not Russian or Belorussian. He looks like a Montenegrin brother in law of my cousin. They are from Plav/Gusinje.

[Jana]

He looks pretty South Slavic to me. Of course not Russian or Belorussian. He looks like a Montenegrin brother in law of my cousin. They are from Plav/Gusinje.

I agree, he had a very Montenegrin look. But to foreigner he would look southern rather than eastern European.

[Roy]

It appears it makes up 20 percent of total R1a(give or take). Compared to Z280, M458 is pretty low in the Balkans. Albanians for instance have more I2a1b-Din than the average Balkanite has M458. With exception of Bulgarians, and Romanians, and to some extent Macedonians who have a little more M458 on average than other Balkanites. Even some Baltic countries have similar levels to Buglarians and Romanians, and yet more than other Balkanites. With regard to Croatians, I recall someone mention in the past they were recorded incorrectly and are more dominant in Z280. Not sure though.

Of course all the distribution can vary here or there. Given there are different data sets. But, I don't see current breakdown radically changing. A11460 seems very interesting/rare.

M458:

https://i.postimg.cc/MKJfM0jH/b3bb1e78a296b20355b9c8a875f7e73d.png

This is an old one from 2014, but I like how they break down different clades of R1a that are most dominant.

https://i.postimg.cc/QdkQx44j/u3g8pprkb8jz.jpg


M458 is a West Slavic marker, or at least strongly overlaps with those Slavs who speak West Slavic languages so there's that.

[MagnusDark]

this map is updated now:
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml#distribution



r-l1280 is dominant only in the Serbia/Bosnia border area, not in the whole Western Balkans.

the R-YP3987 here is R-L1280:
https://dnk.poreklo.rs/DNK-projekat/

the athor probably didn't care much about the Balkans, North and Central Europe are much more detailed.

Ahh didn't realize I sen't you the old M458 map. Good looks.

Yea the resolution is generalized for the Balkans for sure. The breakdown is much better for North and Central Europe.

[MagnusDark]

M458 is a West Slavic marker, or at least strongly overlaps with those Slavs who speak West Slavic languages so there's that.

Yes of course. We can't rule out minimal inclusion of other tribes. However I do believe it was most prominant in the Wends given its distribution. So, not many may have tagged along with Z280/I2a1b. Outside of Bulgarians and some Romanians of course.

[Jana]

Sorbs are strongly M458, so Tesla could be White Serb descendant. Btw, my Serbian part has same haplogroup as him.

[Hulu]

I agree, he had a very Montenegrin look. But to foreigner he would look southern rather than eastern European.

He looks eastern rather than southern to me.

[Jana]

He looks eastern rather than southern to me.

We call this look Vlach in Croatia.

[MagnusDark]

I agree, he had a very Montenegrin look. But to foreigner he would look southern rather than eastern European.

Maybe. He seems to have changed in appearance as he aged. Looked less Southern as he matured. But on average passed more for Southern than Eastern.

[MagnusDark]

Sorbs are strongly M458, so Tesla could be White Serb descendant. Btw, my Serbian part has same haplogroup as him.

Sorbs(to my knowledge) are mostly L260. I am sure they have L1029. I am not sure what clades though. YP417 dominates among alot of Slavic L1029'ers so maybe Sorbs have YP417 as well. However, it, along with even I2a1b are negligible compared to L260. At least going by Peterskis posts in the past on Sorbs.

[Pribislav]

Sorbs are strongly M458, so Tesla could be White Serb descendant. Btw, my Serbian part has same haplogroup as him.

M458 is 12% among Lika Serbs. Total R1a is 19%.

[Hulu]

We call this look Vlach in Croatia.

Vlach in Albania dont look like that

[Jana]

Vlach in Albania dont look like that

They look more Greek?
In Croatia anyone who is tall, thin, with long and narrow face, sharp features and dark pigmentation is called Vlach looking. People here imagine pre-Slavic population looked like that, while Slavs were shorter, blond, stockier and with round, soft faces, in their imagination. Basically Dinarid vs Baltid stareotype.

[Hulu]

They look more Greek?
In Croatia anyone who is tall, thin, with long and narrow face, sharp features and dark pigmentation is called Vlach looking. People here imagine pre-Slavic population looked like that, while Slavs were shorter, blond, stockier and with round, soft faces, in their imagination. Basically Dinarid vs Baltid stareotype.

Kinda, some are them are swarthy, Impaler type, and some are blondish CM types. But they look more robust than Tesla for sure who has an eastern look to me. The type you are describing is alien to central and southern Albania, so it's certainly later arrival, I don't know slavs or avars or what but I dont associate that with natives.

[Pribislav]

They look more Greek?
In Croatia anyone who is tall, thin, with long and narrow face, sharp features and dark pigmentation is called Vlach looking. People here imagine pre-Slavic population looked like that, while Slavs were shorter, blond, stockier and with round, soft faces, in their imagination. Basically Dinarid vs Baltid stareotype.

Souther Balkan Vlachs.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-A0vkMplG8&feature=emb_logo

[vbnetkhio]

Kinda, some are them are swarthy, Impaler type, and some are blondish CM types. But they look more robust than Tesla for sure who has an eastern look to me. The type you are describing is alien to central and southern Albania, so it's certainly later arrival, I don't know slavs or avars or what but I dont associate that with natives.

Balkans are a big place. why would all paleo-Balkan peoples look like central and southern Albanians?

[Hulu]

Balkans are a big place. why would all paleo-Balkan peoples look like central and southern Albanians?

Same argument goes for slavs but on a bigger scale

[Pribislav]

Tesla from younger days.

http://tesla.radista.info/Slike/Mladi_Tesla.jpg

[Jana]

Well, early Slavs were certanly not Dinaro-Pontids like Tesla, that's for sure. My father has more northern features than him, and majority of TA members still saw him as more ''Illyrian'' than ''Slavic'' looking.
Even though I think he doesn't look Illyrian at all.

[Hulu]

Well, early Slavs were certanly not Dinaro-Pontids like Tesla, that's for sure..

How do you know that? Slavs collected many eastern people before before arriving here like scythians and avars.

[Jana]

How do you know that? Slavs collected many eastern before before arriving here like scythians and avars.

Because Dinarids and Pontids are native to Balkans. Especially Dinarids. Avars were mongoloids.

[Hulu]

Because Dinarids and Pontids are native to Balkans. Especially Dinarids. Avars were mongoloids.

Our dinarids dont look eastern like Tesla.

[Jana]

Our dinarids dont look eastern like Tesla.

I don't see anything eastern about him, but I guess your do.

[dududud]

Tesla could pass in Northern France as my cousin.

[MagnusDark]

How do you know that? Slavs collected many eastern people before before arriving here like scythians and avars.

Supposedly Polesie region has the most Proto-Slavic Toponym's. It is also the area(if I recall correctly) where Gorid phenotype is most dominant. So, early Proto-Slavs were likely Gorid dominant though not exclusively. Gorid is a type of East Alpine. They were probably a mix of Gorid and Pontid initially(specifically North Pontid) as well as maybe Pre-Slavic East Euro types.

They have other types too, however, I think these 3 prevailed in early Proto-Slavs.

http://humanphenotypes.net/Gorid.html

http://humanphenotypes.net/NorthPontid.html

http://humanphenotypes.net/PreSlavic.html

[Hulu]

Supposedly Polesie region has the most Proto-Slavic Toponym's. It is also the area(if I recall correctly) where Gorid phenotype is most dominant. So, early Proto-Slavs were likely Gorid dominant though not exclusively. Gorid is a type of East Alpine. They were probably a mix of Gorid and Pontid initially(specifically North Pontid) as well as maybe Pre-Slavic East Euro types.

They have other types too, however, I think these 3 prevailed in early Proto-Slavs.

http://humanphenotypes.net/Gorid.html

http://humanphenotypes.net/NorthPontid.html

http://humanphenotypes.net/PreSlavic.html

They have their versions of dinarid as well, unrelated to ours. Tesla is this type, except darker.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?42706-Members-Pictures-Thread-II&p=6372317&viewfull=1#post6372317

[Dušan]

Tesla from younger days.

http://tesla.radista.info/Slike/Mladi_Tesla.jpg

Dinaro-Pontid. He had very good phenotype.

[Jana]

Supposedly Polesie region has the most Proto-Slavic Toponym's. It is also the area(if I recall correctly) where Gorid phenotype is most dominant. So, early Proto-Slavs were likely Gorid dominant though not exclusively. Gorid is a type of East Alpine. They were probably a mix of Gorid and Pontid initially(specifically North Pontid) as well as maybe Pre-Slavic East Euro types.

They have other types too, however, I think these 3 prevailed in early Proto-Slavs.

http://humanphenotypes.net/Gorid.html

http://humanphenotypes.net/NorthPontid.html

http://humanphenotypes.net/PreSlavic.html

Yes, Gorid and North Pontid seem clearest early Slavic pehnotypes. Also Neo-Danubian (which is same as this pre-Slavic in my book)

[Illyrius]

He has been a hero of mine for the past 70 years.

A hero of mine as well.