Classify interesting Greeks

[Dorian]

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[Dorian]

Well ok they all are Sarakatsanis

Closest to the Cromagnon are the Sarakatsani. They are of the Epirotic type(Alpine and Dinaric) and Aegean(Mediterranean):

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Up to now in literature prevailed the opinion that the Basques, who do not speak an Indo-European language, were maybe the oldest people in Europe. Some refer to the Lapps as well too. Let us consider both cases: The Basques (Poulianos 1969b) as α whole are not very different in their physique from the rest of the population of Spain, which in its absolute majority is Mediterranoid. This is not meant to say that no Cro-magnon elements are met among the Basques, as we cannot say that no Mediterranoids are met among Sarakatsani. The relict language is only an indication of the antiquity of a population. The physical features are those which count more. On our case the Sarakatsani show themselves to be much older.

The Lapps of the North of Scandinavia are not any more an anthropological aenigma. The traditional point of view to seek among laponoids the ancient brachycephals of Europe has not any more any kind of foundation. Many anthropologists who have worked among them have shown, that the Lapps are the result of "inbreeding" with mongoloids, who came to Europe (Bounak 1956) at least much later after the Europeoids existed there. Thus the Lapps cannot be the oldest people of Europe either. The geographical differentiatίon of traits which we have described above for the Epirotics shows that they have persisted in their special geographical regions, and they are met in a more "compacted" form amongst the Sarakatsani of Pindos and Balkan mountains areas, despite other changes of a more clearly phyletic evolutionary nature. Thus the antiquity of the Sarakatsani type is, at the least extent indirectly established. The Sarakatsani are nothing more or less than a local Middle Palaeolithic survival, or, perhaps a reemergence. Being an ecological isolated group, they represent a local specialization, in which selection may have played a part, as well as possibly other factors associated with life in a mountainous area. Looking into the historical past of races in our continent, the Sarakatsani may be considered the most ancient population of Europe.

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-Physical Anthropology of European Populations by Ilse Schwidetzky, A. B. Chiarelli, Olga C. Necrasov, 1980

[Trun]

My town has a lot of Sarakatsanos.

[Proto-Shaman]

They look like mesolithic hunter-gatherers to me.

[Trun]

They look like mesolithic hunter-gatherers to me.

Generally, Sarakatsanos are like the eastern version of Sardinians. Mostly Med/CM mixes.

[Thrax]

My maternal grandmother is part Sarakatsani. If it is to be believed that they are the most ancient people in Europe, maybe that explains my mtDNA haplogroup U5a1b.

[Tooting Carmen]

Turanid-Alpine

[Casandrinos]

They cromagned the fuck out of me xD

[Sikeliot]

Very Upper Paleolithic Cromagnid types. They somewhat resemble Gorid types.

[Voskos]

Τέτοια ζυγωματικά δεν έχουν ούτε οι Κινέζοι

[Faklon]

Some groups I found
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http://pygmi.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Sarakatsanoi.jpg
http://www.terpsichori-ev.de/pictures/galerie/sarakatsanoi.jpg
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[Sikeliot]

Some could pass further north in Eastern Europe.

[Faklon]

My maternal grandmother is part Sarakatsani. If it is to be believed that they are the most ancient people in Europe, maybe that explains my mtDNA haplogroup U5a1b.


They cromagned the fuck out of me xD

Sons of partly Sarakatsani mothers crew.

[Faklon]

Some could pass further north in Eastern Europe.

Greece is between Russian and Belarussia,how north can you go?

Anyway,there weren't considered particularly "light" according to folk,it was some other mountaineers that were but I can see some interesting tendencies.Not that isolated.

[Sikeliot]

Greece is between Russian and Belarussia,how north can you go?

Anyway,there weren't considered particularly "light" according to folk,it was some other mountaineers that were but I can see some interesting tendencies.Not that isolated.


It's not that they are light, but they are heavily Cromagnid, look significantly less "Med" than other Greeks, and have nearly no individuals who look West Asian.

[Faklon]

It's not that they are light, but they are heavily Cromagnid, look significantly less "Med" than other Greeks, and have nearly no individuals who look West Asian.

So,to look "Med" you must look West-Asian.

Thanks for knowing.

"Cromagnid" is a proxy for certain rugged features,nothing that certain.

[Casandrinos]

Sons of partly Sarakatsani mothers crew.

Do you think its our destiny to join this forum ?

We're more than the rest Greeks combined xD

[Faklon]

Do you think its our destiny to join this forum ?

We're more than the rest Greeks combined xD

Who knows my very Balkanic looking son of...a very respectable Sarakatsani lady.

Maybe god Tseligkas called us to fight the Sikeliotids.

[Casandrinos]

Who knows my very Balkanic looking son of...a very respectable Sarakatsani lady.

Maybe god Tseligkas called us to fight the Sikeliotids.


Amen

I'm herding my sheep towards Larissa waiting for the final battle against gracile Aegean subvlachs.

[Faklon]

Amen

I'm herding my sheep towards Larissa waiting for the final battle against gracile Aegean subvlachs.

Amen back

Remove Super Paradise and pasteurize Mister Mykonos.

[Sacrificed Ram]

Some mongolid possible due some old irano-turkic-tatar influence: huns, avars, bulgars, etc.

[Sacrificed Ram]

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[MisterGaga]

EDIT

[Sacrificed Ram]

This thread is with some tilt.

[Sacrificed Ram]

On a scale of 1 to 11, how mad are you?

MAD MAX:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HeZrI5Giw4

[Dorian]

Some groups I found
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Just found this and thought to bump

Maternal Near Eastern ancestry. Counting up occurences of haplogroup J, for example, is unlikely to tell us much. As I've already discussed, frequencies of haplogroup J may have been influenced by selection. It is true that there are relatively "high" levels of haplogroup J in northern Europe (~14%). Note, the frequency of J is about the same in Iceland as in the "Celtic" areas of Britain. Moreover, the frequency of J mtDNA in northern Europe is dwarfed by the frequency of "Hamito-Semitic" male ancestry in southern Europe.

What mtDNA can tell us is that there has been a great deal of recent gene flow into eastern Mediterranean Europe.

The results are shown in table 5. Strikingly, although the level of recent gene flow surviving under this criterion is similar for most populations, at 5%-9%, the eastern-Mediterranean region (samples from Thessaloniki, Sarakatsani, and Albanians) has a very high value, 20%. This may reflect the heavy historical gene flow known between Greece and other populations of the eastern Mediterranean. (Richards et al. 2000)

The paternal haplogroups originally corresponding to J1c and J2a1 might have been E-V13 and J2b, two lineages thought to have evolved in Southeast Europe in the Late Glacial and immediate postglacial periods. Contacts between tribes of European hunter-gatherers would have allowed J1c and J2a1 lineages to join Y-haplogroups I1, I2 and R1a already before the Neolithic.

[Proto-Shaman]

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https://i.imgur.com/ggXJn6j.pngIf these people are the most "CM"-looking people in Greece, then its no wondern, because they are Turks and they look Türkmenic. Many are Turanids. Even their ethnonym is Turkic. They look like SARIKEÇİLİ Türkmens.

CM STRONK!!
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[Odin]

Alpines and Turanids.

[Queen B]

Dat Cheekbones tho