Hungary genocide 1940-1944 against romanians and jews.

[Vlach]

http://www.mmhtn.org/images/transilvania_harta.gif

Well, lets talk about the hungarians civillians crimes against romanians, lets talk about their hate for us, not about Horty.
Example:

Band Grebeniş, Oroiu, September 1944

Soon after Romania signed an armistice with the Allies, local ethnic Hungarian armed guards in collaboration with the Hungarian Piquette Band commune in Mureş County, attacked by surprise Romanian border, killing Sergeant Predescu. Dozens of Romanian village Mărăşeşti were taken from their homes and imprisoned handcuffed in a cellar, households making it also vandalized.

Crossing the border then the same gang robbed Grebeniş village, shooting three locals and raising Romanians apucaseră not to flee. Taking them to the border Hungarians gave him kiss and thank milestones they reached the holy territory of Hungary. Two other Romanian village Oroiu were then beaten and then killed.

[Vlach]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4n-TcvdenI



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riPP1oNuyBg

[blogen]

And what is there with the slaughtered Hungarian POWs and civilans? The killings, turture and mass rape of the fascist Maniu guard in 1944 for example!

[Vlach]

And what is there with the slaughtered Hungarian POWs and civilans? The killings, turture and mass rape of the fascist Maniu guard in 1944 for example!

"Just three days after entering the Hungarian army of occupation, began a series of massacres against civilians Romanian. They had a high intensity in the first two weeks of the annexation of the territory. In just 11 days they were murdered about 1,000 Romanian."

I dont know what are you talking about...

[Vlach]

Revolution broke out in December 1989 and Harghita and Covasna in character and anti -Ceausescu and was attended equally , Romanian , Hungarian and Székely .

Later her main goals were interpreted by some as an event exclusively Hungarian and starts the process of marginalization of the Romanians living in the area. Since the early days of the outbreak of revolution in the two counties have committed attacks on police headquarters and security are totally or partially destroyed 38 of them ...

The first of which Szecklers Hungarians have shed anger were militiamen and security officers who , although not responded by using its weapons were molested humiliated , killed the bestial . Were burned houses were burned or goods they possessed them - were stolen , these things happen in 200 residences frames militia and security .... Continued aggressive actions two three days after the beginning of the revolution , especially in rural areas , looking for teaching Romanian nationality in the former organs of power and order ...
Sometimes the motivation of replacing people with management was explained , as happened in Covasna County Court : "Maintaining the function of those concerned - the chairman of the tribunal, the chief prosecutor (emphasis n.) - no longer justified , whereas as the county has become Seckler . This explanation , recorded in official documents , is the clearest evidence of anti-Romanian actions that took place during those moments at several locations in the two counties ....

Should be stressed that this part of the country reacting bodies defending the old political system - militia and security - was completely passive until now fibrils is even a case to use firearms against the population. After running radio and television announced dictator in central squares of cities - Miercurea Ciuc , Udvarhely , St. George , Gheorghieni Topliţa - spontaneous gatherings took place during which speeches were held in Romanian and Hungarian were destroyed dictator portraits and propaganda materials from the county party headquarters offices . There were spontaneous manifestations of public joy to be rid of oppression and suffering, Romanian and Hungarian Székely being together in those unforgettable moments . This was the first phase of the revolutionary moment , when there were no ethnic conflict situations , people eagerly watching what was happening in Bucharest , Timisoara , Sibiu, Brasov , Craiova , Braila , where they were shooting in the streets, where hundreds died people.
This situation occurred in the counties of Harghita and Covasna where outside attack on a military unit of St. George on the night of 24 to December 25 by unidentified persons , there was no firearms . In fact , police and security organs received unambiguous order not to use weapons against the population. It was closed in facilities or military units to be delivered safely. In small towns in the two counties - communities and villages - people gathered in the first moments in front of City Hall , destroying the symbols of the communist dictatorship .

In the second phase of the events of those days attacks have become a destructive , devastating , being oriented offices or premises security police stations , although in those places there was no reaction to what happened. Actions were initiated following calls unidentified persons who by amplification stations in urban centers - have urged people to commit acts of vandalism without having a revolutionary coating . For example, in Miercurea Ciuc , shortly after meeting people in the market , the station amplification have made ​​repeated calls for the purposes of going to security headquarters . What followed did not have any contact with the revolutionary events . On the afternoon of December 22 were destroyed 35 police stations in the county of Harghita and Covasna county 3 . Participants in these events - and Székely Hungarian majority - have devastated everything they came across : radios , televisions , telephones, clothing , archives, file cabinets with various objects. In many cases , after the buildings were burned to remove any trace . At Udvarhely , Gheorghieni , Miercurea Ciuc, Ciumani Zetea chapel , Secuieni BRADESTI etc . traces of these actions have been preserved for months ....

Unfortunately, the devastating actions have not stopped here , the participants began to behave with the staff of militia and security - mostly Romanian . Thus, in the counties of Harghita and Covasna were killed 7 people, 6 being active and reserve personnel of the former police and security bodies - four Romanian and Hungarian March . Two Hungarians were killed for trying to defend their Romanian colleagues were considered traitors Székely and Magyars . Those killed - Lieutenant Colonel Dumitru Coman , head of security in Udvarhely Székely , Liviu Theophilus Cheuchişan sergeant major , police chief Dealu militia , Major Agache to Aurel Kézdivásárhely militia , sergeant Dănăilă Gabi aid Zetea commune police chief , sergeant major Ferencz Emeric , sectorist militia Cristuru Székely , sergeant Dănăilă Gabi Zetea common post aid chief , sergeant major Emeric Ferencz , sectorist militia Cristuru Székely , Gabriel Szekely retired sergeant did not use at any time armament .

Murders were WAY BESTIAL , accompanied by all sorts of insults to Romania.
The Major Aurel Agache of Kézdivásárhely was actually lynched those gathered , then the body is still spit and hit those who pass by, the eyelids i have put a coin and logo on helmet and a mouth rats. Finally we tried to be on fire burning evenly . On 22.XII.1989 after demonstrators set "order" in the village Dealu , a group of individuals who are intoxicated Udvarhely Székely arrived in the city , attacked the police station , they killed Sergeant Alan Cheuchişan Theophilus the bestial , trying to flay him with a fork and set fire to the body. This action took place in the presence of his wife and two small children. This action has witnessed almost the entire population of the village , but no one intervened to defend the bullied . It even had a gun on him all the time , never used . Only the next day afternoon high body could be found in the garden of the house, naked and covered with bark. Wife and two children were rescued by a Székely , which in 22.00 . passed through the fire made ​​into housing by bullies .
These events have nothing Revolution DECEMBER constitute serious crimes , punishable ANY STATE LAW . ...

Chapter III

The character of the street demonstrations that occurred after December 22, 1989 .
Those who were on the streets in various cities , communes and villages in the counties of Harghita and Covasna incite shouted slogans like " Death Vlachs ", " Horty , Horty ," " Long live Hungary ", " Transylvania to Hungary ," " Now or never . " In places like Cristuru - Székely , Gheorghieni Baraolt Kézdivásárhely and such actions have reached climax . These actions were further violence in the two counties , committed during attack on police headquarters and security of bestial crimes and resulted in significant damage. Another significant element ... demonstrate that street manifestations were anti-Romanian character is that Romanian flags were torn and thrown away in several towns in the two counties - the Kézdivásárhely this was the very first moments of the revolution .

[Stears]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rOtBv14_Xxw

[blogen]

"Just three days after entering the Hungarian army of occupation, began a series of massacres against civilians Romanian. They had a high intensity in the first two weeks of the annexation of the territory. In just 11 days they were murdered about 1,000 Romanian."
I dont know what are you talking about...

Bad propaganda. These were the total number of the Romanian victims of the incidents: 699 Romanian. Smaller part of the victims were victim of revenge, they were mostly soldiers, the Romanian army looted before the evacuation, some Romanian solder and officer was not enough fast and the robbed Hungarians captured and lynched them. But their majority were the victim of an ethnic clash. The victims' majority died because of the army's trespass. Iron guardsman persons and units offered sporadic resistance against the Hungarian liberators. Romanian civilians committed the attacks against the Hungarian soldiers, since the Romanian army left behind many military weapons between the reliable Romanian civilans. The soldiers were not prepared for the operations like this (now we called COIN, counter-insurgency) and they took revenge on the civil population because of the atrocities against the military. This was usual in all fronts of the wwII. The major sites:

Ipp/Ip: 157 civilian victim, a Romanian fired at the Hungarian soldiers, the civilians were the victims of the retribution. Only a machine gun was found.

Szilágycseres/Cerișa and Felsőkaznacs/Cosniciu: 55 civilian victim after Romanians shot onto the soldiers on the neighbourhood with more occasions.

Ördögkút/Treznea: 68 victims after armed Romanians killed more Hungarian soldiers with machine gun fire.

source: Illésfalvi Péter: Az 1940-es erdélyi bevonulás során történt atrocitásokról - Pro Minoritate, 2004

The nature of the Romanian atrocities against the Hungarians was different. Romanian volunteers fascists corps committed these mass atrocities mostly in 1944.

[Stears]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/04/us-romania-holocaust-idUSTRE7333EJ20110404

I recent event has underscored Romania's Iron Guard Nazis Party past. Please consider the following:

[Stears]

I think romanian fascism chauvinism was generated by the Orthodox church.

[Stears]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_yBc9QwEXc

[blogen]

The anti-Hungarian pogrom in 1989. 5 dead and 278 injured civilian. (http://www.hunsor.se/dosszie/elod_blackspring.pdf)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EdwP3akxyE

[Stears]

How is it possible that a "christian" church generates racism and xenophobia in the 21th century? Which are the social causes of that phenomenon?

Google book results from 21th century (Books, UN reports , and writtings of western Sociologist scientists and civil rights movements)
There are more than 3 090 results for the relation of racism xenophoby and the Orthodox church. (it is an engine of ethnic hatred and chauvinism until this day)
https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&hl=en&q=xenophobia+%22orthodox+church%22#q=xenophobia+%2 2orthodox+church%22&hl=en&tbm=bks&source=lnt&tbs=cdr:1,cd_min:2000,cd_max:2099&sa=X&ei=MI7FUe6oG6OJ4ASHg4HwDw&ved=0CCIQpwUoAQ&fp=1&biw=1887&bih=996&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&cad=b&sei=WI7FUY-bKKvc4QS0j4HwAw
Just some very FEW example from the results:
UN. Dag Hammarskjöld Library : United Nations Documents Index: No.4 January-march 2004 - Page 107 /* February 2014 */ ...by the Special Rapporteur on Contemporary Forms of Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia and Related Intolerance, focuses mainly on the status and importance of the Romanian Orthodox Church, the situation of non- Orthodox


Cristian Romocea : Church and State: Religious Nationalism and State Identification ... - Page 137
Attempts at inner spiritual resistance and formal denunciations of xenophobic and anti-Semitic political activities came only ... Conclusion The investigation of the history of Orthodox church–state relations has shown that Romanian Orthodox

John Anthony McGuckin - The Encyclopedia of Eastern Orthodox Christianity, 2 Volume Set - Page 504
.. (over Estonia and Ukraine) and the R.O.C. / Romanian Orthodox Church (over Moldavia); some of them are still unresolved. The ROC has also been deeply affected by the tides of widespread xenophobia, nationalism, fundamentalism,


Linda Woodhead, Christopher Partridge, Hiroko Kawanami: Religions in the Modern World: Traditions and Transformations
In many cases they have been active in supporting the resurgent forms of ( sometimes xenophobic) nationalism which have developed in the wake of communism. Themost notorious example has been in Serbia, where the Serbian Orthodox Church

Elizabeth Pond: Endgame in the Balkans: regime change, European style - Page 226
and thus maintain the unity of the Serbian Orthodox Church, as well as his rejection of Western liberal norms. ... figures" with the values of the Serbian Orthodox Church, "marked by archaism, collectivism, anti-Western stands and xenophobia.



Geraldine Fagan - Believing in Russia: Religious Policy After Communism - page: 205.
Alexander Verkhovsky, 'Role of the Russian Orthodox Church in Nationalist, Xenophobic and Anti-Western Tendencies in Contemporary Russia: Not Nationalism, but Fundamentalism', paper for 'Xenophobia and Postsocialism'
Raphael Walden :Racism and Human Rights - page 123.
Finally, given the prominence of the Russian Orthodox Church in the formation of post-Soviet national identity and its unhappy ... of the multi-ethnic Russian Federation, in the development of measures to combat xenophobia and intolerance.

Daphne Halikiopoulou - Patterns of Secularization: Church, State and Nation i
Homogeneity as the ultimate national value may promote xenophobia and totalitarian attitudes (Fragoudaki and Dragona, 1997: ... identity, and increases the need to assert this identity and rally around its main defender: the Orthodox Church.
Stephen R. Goodwin : World Christianity in Local Context: Essays in Memory of David A.
These xenophobic features of Bulgarian nationalism have cloaked ethnic and religious discrimination in patriotic wrappings, placing membership in the Bulgarian Orthodox Church and devotion to the Fatherland above all. This nationalism

Daniel B. Clendenin: Eastern Orthodox Christianity: A Western Perspective
This xenophobia toward the West has ebbed and flowed over the past one thousand years in the life of Russia in general; in the last five years it has markedly increased within the Orthodox church. The Russian Orthodox Church, which with


Daniel Benjamin : Europe 2030 - Page 118
On the other hand, the growing influence of the Orthodox Church and widespread xenophobia and intolerance of minorities could generate social tensions and amplify Russia's demographic challenges. Russia should learn from Europe

Benjamin Forest, Juliet Ellen Johnson, M. T. (Marietta Tigranovna) Stepaniants: Religion And Identity In Modern Russia: The Revival Of Orthodoxy ... - Page 137
The Orthodox Church has also adopted a defensive position in regards to perceived religious competitors and free speech. Chistiakov laments the xenophobia and "opposition to Christians of other traditions" expressed by many in the Church


Allen D. Hertzke: The Future of Religious Freedom: Global Challenges - Page 193
In a July 2007 open letter, leading academics, journalists, and human rights activists accused the Orthodox Church of fostering a “new national and religious ideology” that risked negating democracy and “endorsing xenophobia and a cult of

Katja Richters : The Post-Soviet Russian Orthodox Church: Politics, Culture and ... - Page 23

[Stears]

Orthodox church = strongest generator of ethnic conflicts in most Orthodox countries (even in the 21th century).

[RussiaPrussia]

Orthodox church = strongest generator of ethnic conflicts in most Orthodox countries (even in the 21th century).

not true, its just happen to be populated with muslims. Look also at Ireland and various other places during history

[Stears]

not true, its just happen to be populated with muslims. Look also at Ireland and various other places during history Wrong. Orthodox people hated more the Western Christians (Catholics, Protestants) than the muslim Ottomans. Ask a Polish Hungarian or a Croatian about that.

[RussiaPrussia]

Wrong. Orthodox people hated more the Western Christians (Catholics, Protestants) than the muslim Ottomans. Ask a Polish Hungarian or a Croatian about that.

ask an albanian or tatar

[TheForeigner]

Why don't you tell us about Targu Mures anti-Romanian pogrom and that man beaten by a Hungarian mob at the begining, who was Romanian , but somehow Western Media presented it as Hungarian beaten by Romanians and blamed the Hungarian rioting and violence on Romanians. Also I wonder about your hero Horthy and how much he had to do with this massacres against Romanians during ww2 and what he thought of it or if it was state policy of which he was responsible. There is some data about written propaganda against romanians, instigating massacres in Budapest 1940, which seems to have been ordered by government. Also not jsut army, but many hungarian civilians took part in massacres. I wonder if you can provide an unbiased, non-hungarian source for any of your claims about 40s and massacres by both sides as you claim. There might have been some massacres against Hungarians as part of the resistance against occupation, persecution, opression and those ghastly massacres against innocents. No excuse to kill over 100 people, if one man fired some shots. If that is true at all. It is believed it was revenge for Trianon, agrarian reform and just against being Romanian.

[portusaus]

Why even mention the Jews, if you're trying to make them seem guilty?

A genocide against Romanians is something that would be commonly recognized as a foul and contemptible act. But Jews? Nah

[blogen]

Why don't you tell blahblahblah

First. Do no lie about the anti-Hungarian pogrom of Marosvásárhely! And second, the Hungarian sources are unbiassed, we are not Romania. You keep silent about the Romanian sins, the massacres, the mass rape against the Hungarians in 1944. But this is not surprising, your whole history is a lie.

The Romanians defiled a Hungarian soldier cemetery recently for example. Your scums (Romanian authorities) removed the fallen Hungarian soldier's names from the Hungarian graves in the Hungarian-German war cemetery of Sósmező and scratched Romanian names onto their place:

before:
http://lh3.ggpht.com/-oBKA3rwmEXg/TmB5vBjB2-I/AAAAAAAAAAA/UprmlMIx1I0/s1600/DSC_1911.JPG

after:
http://erdely.ma/ujkepek/2011/10/nagy/2010363.jpg

This shit is the whole history of Romania.

[TheForeigner]

In Romania it is generally believed these masacres were part of state policy and Horthy was responsible in some way or knew of it at least. I don't know how much this can be proven though. Apparently in hungarian capital in 1940 there was some propaganda material instigating at massacre or killing of romanians, which seems to have originated from hungarian government.

[TheForeigner]

I don't know about cemetary story and I see no source. Also I can believe hungarian riot in targu mures is blamed on romanians.

[blogen]

In Romania it is generally believed these masacres were part of state policy and Horthy was responsible in some way or knew of it at least. I don't know how much this can be proven though. Apparently in hungarian capital in 1940 there was some propaganda material instigating at massacre or killing of romanians, which seems to have originated from hungarian government.

I don't know about cemetary story and I see no source. Also I can believe hungarian riot in targu mures is blamed on romanians.

Irrelevant what you believe in. (http://gepnarancs.hu/2011/10/jobbik-a-jovoben-is-felemeljuk-szavunkat-a-kegyeletsertesek-ellen/)

[TheForeigner]

Don't send hungarian language sources, because only your people can read that.

[blogen]

Don't send hungarian language sources, because only your people can read that.

My people can use the Google translate (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/google-translate/aapbdbdomjkkjkaonfhkkikfgjllcleb).

[TheForeigner]

Were Horthy or the government responsible for these massacres? It is believed that probably yes in Romania. In fact there might be some evidence for that as I mentioned and they are often referred as Horthyst massacres or war crimes, although I suspect it was individuals and groups in the military and local magyar population who decided and acted as they did, without orders from above.

[TheForeigner]

Which says a lot about how much ''more civilized'' Hungarians were than Romanians.

[blogen]

Were Horthy or the government responsible for these massacres? It is believed that probably yes in Romania. In fact there might be some evidence for that as I mentioned and they are often referred as Horthyst massacres or war crimes, although I suspect it was individuals and groups in the military and local magyar population who decided and acted as they did, without orders from above.

No. Their majority was a wartime plot in an asymmetric situation when the soldiers in company and platoon level overreacted the armed attacks of the Romanian civilian extremists against the Hungarian military personells. The Hungarian army was not preparing himself for a situation like this. But this was usual in the course of the world war. The civil population was the victim of a retribution often when some civilans played a guerilla. For example the Bessarabians under the Romanian rule.


Which says a lot about how much ''more civilized'' Hungarians were than Romanians.

The Romanian mass murders and rape against the Hungarian civilians in 1944 were similar as the Hungarist gangs acts against the Jews in Budapest.

[TheForeigner]

Sounds like May Lay type incidents, but on the other hand I never heard of those alleged atrocities by Romanians. I don't trust Hungarian sources and I also think Romanian sources are often biaseb because of nationalism and there a strong antipathy between the two peoples which motivates the bias in history as well.

[TheForeigner]

It is interesting that in april 1941 your minister of foreign affairs commited suicide and left a note in which he condemned Horthy and the government for their alliance with the ''wicked ones'' and that all the tales of atrocities against Hungarians and Germans before the war in Eastern Europe are pure fabrications and lies.

[TheForeigner]

There is also the story of a manifesto circulated in Budapest in 1940, talking of killing and wiping out Romanians and apparently originating with Horty and his government.

[Stears]

There is also the story of a manifesto circulated in Budapest in 1940, talking of killing and wiping out Romanians and apparently originating with Horty and his government. It is your pure fantasy. Where are photo or a scanned poster about the fantastic manifesto? Please do not write such a fantasies which have no proof.

[blogen]

It is interesting that in april 1941 your minister of foreign affairs commited suicide and left a note in which he condemned Horthy and the government for their alliance with the ''wicked ones'' and that all the tales of atrocities against Hungarians and Germans before the war in Eastern Europe are pure fabrications and lies.

In Yugoslavia. But the German alliance was his problem, since Teleki was Anglophile as the majority of the Hungarian aristocracy.


There is also the story of a manifesto circulated in Budapest in 1940, talking of killing and wiping out Romanians and apparently originating with Horty and his government.

Maybe Romanian urban legend.

[TheForeigner]

Hm it's been mentioned in the press. but I have trouble believing it too. Why the hell do Hungarians in Romania build statues to Horthy, clear enemy of Romania though? Why such shameless provocation and disrespect?

[TheForeigner]

The Hungarian minister knew your country was up to no good. Also Romanians were greatly repressed and because of this there might have been some resistance. http://ioncoja.ro/amestecate/larry-watts-despre-transilvania-si-nebunia-maghiara/ for the people of google translate you can read from romanian historian about opression, persecution and massacres against Romanians

[TheForeigner]

http://91.210.80.9/stiri/ultima-or-31-6/se-intorc-hortistii-prima-statuie-a-lui-horthy-din-romania-a-fost-ridicata-la-paleu-112816.html statue of Horthy in Romania

[TheForeigner]

http://roncea.ro/tag/miklos-horthy/ brochure inciting massacre by Hhorthysts from famous Romanian journalist blog

[TheForeigner]

you need to scroll down to second article and then further down to Horthyst terror

[TheForeigner]

you need to scroll down to second article and then further down to Horthyst

[blogen]

you need to scroll down to second article and then further down to Horthyst terror

broşură publicată la Budapesta: "Voi omorî pe orice român..."

Romanian propaganda.

[Fakirbakir]

The percentage rate of Hungarians in Transylvania suffered a huge set back due to the idiot Hungarian authorities who keenly deported the !Hungarian speaking! Jews to Auschwitz.

[GERULA]

The anti-Hungarian pogrom in 1989. 5 dead and 278 injured civilian. (http://www.hunsor.se/dosszie/elod_blackspring.pdf)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EdwP3akxyE

Get the real story you "infiltrated" propaganda lemon ...Europe saw for the first time ..in real time television how "tolerant" and " well meaning " the hungarian ethnics ( not all of them ..but the ones that still live in the medieval mindset..lol) ...just watch how nice they treat the romanian guy ....Congrats savages...P.S. - I like your Russian - Hungarian brotherhood badge..do you lick both sides??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=688kayw4Bq0

[blogen]

Get the real story you "infiltrated" propaganda lemon ...Europe saw for the first time ..in real time television how "tolerant" and " well meaning " the hungarian ethnics ( not all of them ..but the ones that still live in the medieval mindset..lol) ...just watch how nice they treat the romanian guy ....Congrats savages...P.S. - I like your Russian - Hungarian brotherhood badge..do you lick both sides??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=688kayw4Bq0

Bullshit Romanian propaganda. The guy on green sweater was an ethnic Romanian animal (Cofariu Mihai was the dog's name) from the Zsil valley (the another part of the Romania, since the ex Securitate members transported miners onto Marosvásárhely and they started the anti-Hungarian pogrom. It got into the city to kill Hungarians, but he fucked and the driver of the DAC truck was ethnic Romanian too.

[GERULA]

Bullshit Romanian propaganda. The guy on green sweater was an ethnic Romanian animal (Cofariu Mihai was the dog's name) from the Zsil valley (the another part of the Romania, since the ex Securitate members transported miners onto Marosvásárhely and they started the anti-Hungarian pogrom. It got into the city to kill Hungarians, but he fucked and the driver of the DAC truck was ethnic Romanian too.

Hey Buddy...get off you nationalist crack pipe...I bet you never even been in Targu Mures ...the city where the videos are about...and let me tell ... you wanna see more videos of hundreds of axes and knives captured during those days by the romanian Securitate from your brethren??I wonder what were the real intentions on how to use them...hmm ..let me think...they wanted to show "little love" to the native romanians .. now that Ceausescu ( a real romanian patriot) was gone..It's all documented buddy... so go and cry somewhere else ..or be a man and admit the expansionist and revisionist principle that seem to drive Hungarian politics ...and yeah...Transylvania is Romania ...you are welcome to live in here..but if you don't like it you can go back to your home .

[blogen]

Hey Buddy

Sorry, but I do not care the false Romanian propaganda.

ps. I think this is an über compromat:


Ceausescu ( a real romanian patriot)

Or maybe you are Stears in false colors.

[Vlach]

Sorry, but I do not care the false Romanian propaganda.

ps. I think this is an über compromat:



Or maybe you are Stears in false colors.

And why shoul we care about your fake hungarian propaganda? With you fake maps and sources?

[Xanthias]

Kill all Huns please.

[blogen]

And why shoul we care about your fake hungarian propaganda? With you fake maps and sources?

The Romanians' opinion does not interest me. I correct the lies of the Romanian propaganda only.

[Vlach]

The Romanians' opinion does not interest me. I correct the lies of the Romanian propaganda only.

hahaha, sure... We all know that you are a idiot from Transylvania with fake maps and fake sources...

[blogen]

hahaha, sure... We all know that you are a idiot from Transylvania with fake maps and fake sources...

I live in the suburb of Budapest and I was never in Transylvania. Anything other is your problem. :D

[Vlach]

I live in the suburb of Budapest and I was never in Transylvania. Anything other is your problem. :D

You was never in Transylvania/Banat? And you are talking about my personal life and talking about how Regat people "destroyed" Transylvania/Banat multi-culturality. HHAHA, you motherfcuker douchebag hipocryte.

[blogen]

You was never in Transylvania/Banat? And you are talking about my personal life and talking about how Regat people "destroyed" Transylvania/Banat multi-culturality. HHAHA, you motherfcuker douchebag hipocryte.

Yep. We have internet here and we see it what happened in Transylvania. The Balkanite nationalist settlers like you balkanized the once European Transylvania.

For example the Germans (blue in the map) were the 10% of the population, now under 1%:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Brasov_black_church_winter_2006-03-08.jpg
http://s27.postimg.org/64a5kdrtv/map_002_ROM.jpg

But the newcomer Balkanite setter's number is around 10-15% now:
http://www.jakadam.hu/01fenykepeim/ev2004e/05erdely2004/kepek/erdely2004_012.jpg
http://s27.postimg.org/6sj03bqjn/map_003_ROM.jpg

Vienna or Budapest is only a distant place from here already.

[Vlach]

Yep. We have internet here and we see it what happened in Transylvania. The Balkanite nationalist settlers like you balkanized the once European Transylvania.

For example the Germans (blue in the map) were the 10% of the population, now under 1%:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Brasov_black_church_winter_2006-03-08.jpg
http://s27.postimg.org/64a5kdrtv/map_002_ROM.jpg

But the newcomer Balkanite setter's number is around 10-15% now:
http://www.jakadam.hu/01fenykepeim/ev2004e/05erdely2004/kepek/erdely2004_012.jpg
http://s27.postimg.org/6sj03bqjn/map_003_ROM.jpg

Vienna or Budapest is only a distant place from here already.

Lol retard, talk with communists and Ceaușescu not with normal people from Transylvania, you motherfucker retard. And you was never in Transylvania so you dont know nothing about the life from here and other things. You better stfu. I know more about the life from Transylvania than you, I visit Transylvania in every year.

[blogen]

Lol retard, talk with communists and Ceaușescu not with normal people from Transylvania, you motherfucker retard. And you was never in Transylvania so you dont know nothing about the life from here and other things. You better stfu. I know more about the life from Transylvania than you, I visit Transylvania in every year.

These 1-1,5 million Balkanite setters are the ~20-25% of the Romanians in Transylvania. You claim it that these settlers are communists? I guess no, they are average Balkanites only, but mostly Romanian nationalist, since the nationalism and the hate against the natives is a compensation between the newcomers everytime. For example the hate against the real Transylvanian Romanian's religion, the Greek-Catholic Church (orange in the map). How the Romanian occupiers destroyed the Transylvanian Romanian religion:

http://s27.postimg.org/qcxj63r4z/000378.jpg
http://s27.postimg.org/f1uvhqk9v/000379.jpg

Austrian and Italian architects built up the churches for the Transylvanian Romanians once:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-rpPLDjJX88w/TWFKipeYFMI/AAAAAAAAAFM/tPqSQzl_sPU/s1600/P1010755.JPG

But now the Balkanite churches are constructed on all settlements in Transylvania:
http://www.szatmar.ro/files/news/mn_1392041937ortodox.jpg

[blogen]

The martyr bishops of the Greek-Catholic church of the Transylvanian Romanians. The Balkanite Romanian occupiers killed them:

Vasile Aftenie, vicarius apostolicus of Bucharest:
http://s27.postimg.org/do38mfl0j/Vasile_Aftenie.jpg

Alexandru Rusu, bishop of Baia Mare
http://s27.postimg.org/iruiamw4j/Alexandru_Rusu.jpg

Valeriu Trajan Frentiu, bishop of Oradea
http://s27.postimg.org/e24km1543/Valeriu_Trajan_Frentiu.jpg

Ioan Suciu, apostolic administrator of the Greek Catholic Archdiocese of Fagaras and Alba Iulia
http://s27.postimg.org/ori9eagwz/Ioan_Suciu.jpg

Tit-Liviu Chinezau, bishop of Fagaras and Alba Iulia
http://s27.postimg.org/7cy160js3/Tit_Liviu_Chinezu.jpg

[TheForeigner]

Why do you lie Blogen? The communists forced the union of Greek Catholic church with Orthodox church and opressed orthodox church too. They wanted to get rid of papal western influence in Romania. Many orthodox and greek catholic priests, intelectuals, dissidents were jailed or killed by communists, like in your country and everywhere communists were in control. Also greek catholics are closer to orthodox in ritual than to you roman catholics(let alone calvinists,unitarians or other protestants) and there is one christian religion with different rituals and denominations.

[blogen]

Why do you lie Blogen? The communists forced the union of Greek Catholic church with Orthodox church and opressed orthodox church too. They wanted to get rid of papal western influence in Romania. Many orthodox and greek catholic priests, intelectuals, dissidents were jailed or killed by communists, like in your country and everywhere communists were in control. Also greek catholics are closer to orthodox in ritual than to you roman catholics(let alone calvinists,unitarians or other protestants) and there is one christian religion with different rituals and denominations.

Opressed my ass. Abolished the Greek Catholics, but not the Orthodox churches. The orthodoxes kept their property and their religious houses, etc. They were not pursued and they did not have martyrs, they were the Romanian national-communists' minions.

List it the Orthodox martyr leaders!

[TheForeigner]

Ceausescu demolished many churches in Bucharest and at the begining of communist rule, many priests were jailed because they opposed communist rule.

[TheForeigner]

Opressed my ass. Abolished the Greek Catholics, but not the Orthodox churches. The orthodoxes kept their property and their religious houses, etc. They were not pursued and they did not have martyrs, they were the Romanian national-communists' minions.

List it the Orthodox martyr leaders!
http://roncea.ro/2008/08/26/martiri-ortodocsi-ai-temnitelor-comuniste-ucisi-a-doua-oara-oamenii-lui-tismaneanu-cad-in-propria-lor-groapa-sfintii-inchisorilor-interzisi-la-iasi/ Here is an article about controversy sorounding the proposed cannonization of martyed orthodox clerics jailed and murdered by communists. The controversy is based on the fact one was a legionaire fascist.

[Vlach]

Ceausescu demolished many churches in Bucharest and at the begining of communist rule, many priests were jailed because they opposed communist rule.

He is stupid and he thinks that the normal romanians wanted to destroy the greek churches.

[TheForeigner]

Greek catholic church was only established for the purpose of easing discrimination and opression of romanians anyway and was always closer in ritual to orthodox church. They had a priviliged official position and recognized as one of the national churches alongside orthodox church during interwar era.

[TheForeigner]

Pentru meritele avute la constituirea identităţii româneşti şi la făurirea României, atat Constitutia din 1923 (art. 22) cât şi cea din 1938 (art. 19) menţionau Biserica Greco-Catolica alaturi la Biserica Ortodoxă ca fiind “biserici româneşti”. http://adevarul.ro/locale/alba-iulia/protest-constitutie-1_51cc2ce6c7b855ff56d13520/index.html This means the 1923 and 1938 romanian constitutions recognized both orthodox and catholic churches as national romanian churches.

[TheForeigner]

The article mentions a cardinal in charge of greek catholic church which still exists today.

[blogen]

http://roncea.ro/2008/08/26/martiri-ortodocsi-ai-temnitelor-comuniste-ucisi-a-doua-oara-oamenii-lui-tismaneanu-cad-in-propria-lor-groapa-sfintii-inchisorilor-interzisi-la-iasi/ Here is an article about controversy sorounding the proposed cannonization of martyed orthodox clerics jailed and murdered by communists. The controversy is based on the fact one was a legionaire fascist.

A short list would be better!

But from the article: Valeriu Gafencu was not Orthodox martyr, since he was not a church man. Ioan Ianolide was not martyr since he diead in 1986 as a pensioner. Etc. So who were these martyrs?

Please, the Orthodox Church was the obedient dog of the National-Communist regime! Some ex-Ironguardsmen went into a prison onto short time, but there was not persecution. The Romanians pursued it the European religions, the Greek-Catholics, the Catholics and the Protestants.

[TheForeigner]

Ioan Ianolide, cu 21 de ani de temnita si o viata mutilata; Valeriu Gafencu, “Sfantul inchisorilor”, mort in penitenciarul de la Targu Ocna, dupa ce isi donase doza de streptomicina oferita de un prieten pentru salvarea evreului Richard Wurmbrand; parintele Gheorghe Calciu, cu cei 21 de ani de temnita si marturisire impotriva daramarii bisericilor in anii ’80, eliberat la cererea presedintelui SUA Ronald Reagan, devenit simbol al apararii drepturilor omului in Romania comunista; parintele Daniil (Sandu Tudor), initiator al Rugului Aprins, mort la Aiud dupa ce purtase patru ani lanturi la picioare; parintele Arsenie Boca, supranumit inca din timpul vietii “Sfantul de la Sambata”, mare predicator, inchis, umilit, caterisit, marginalizat pana la sfarsitul vietii, al carui mormant este vizitat si acum de mii de ortodocsi; nu in ultimul rand, parintele Arsenie Papacioc, unul dintre cei mai mari duhovnici ai ortodoxiei, care a implinit recent 94 de ani si este un stalp al Bisericii Ortodoxe Romane la Manastirea “Sfanta Maria” Techirghiol. So you see this men who suffered for their beliefs as cowards because not all of them died in prison? It says one of them was released at president Reagan's request after decades of suffering in prison. It says of father Daniil theat he died at Aiud after wearing 4 years chains around anckles. And actually many orthodox and greek catholic priests were iron guardsmen and that's why men ended up in prison or worse.

[blogen]

The meaning of the martyr word outside Romania: "one who voluntarily suffers death rather than deny his religion by words or deeds"
And the meaning of the "orthodox martyr" in Romania: "somebody who dies as a pensioner with long time after a short prison"

[Fakirbakir]

Ceausescu ( a real romanian patriot)
:picard2:

Ceausescu was a fascist in Communist clothing... Have you heard about "National Communism"????

"National Communism in Romania was the state ideology of Communist Romania between the early 1960s and 1989. Having its origins in Gheorghe Gheorghiu-Dej's political emancipation from the Soviet Union, it was greatly developed by Nicolae Ceaușescu, who began in 1971, through his July Theses manifesto, a national cultural revolution. Part of the national mythology was the Nicolae Ceaușescu's cult of personality and the idealization of Romania's history, known in Romanian historiography as Protochronism.

This nationalistic ideology was based on a mixture of Marxist-Leninist dogmas and doctrines of interwar far-right nationalism. The main argument of the tenet was the endless and unanimous fighting throughout two thousand years to achieve unity and independence."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Communism_in_Romania

[Fakirbakir]

Get the real story you "infiltrated" propaganda lemon ..


Some facts about the events:

"In the first days of March 1990, two episodes involving Romanian statues occurred. Graffiti was found on the statue of the Romanian historical figure Avram Iancu, and a statue of another Romanian hero in a neighboring town was stolen. After this, a Romanian newspaper referred to events of the same kind that took place before the 1940 Romanian-Hungarian conflict.

During the celebrations of the Hungarian community occasioned by the national day of the Hungarian state (15th of March) accusations of nationalism and separatism began to be heard from the Romanian side. The next day, groups of heavily intoxicated Romanians began to attack the local stores owed by ethnic Hungarians. Students sang anti-Hungarian songs and pillaged a Hungarian Protestant church.

On the 20th of March, Romanian villagers despatched by coach and train arrived to the city and violently attacked the headquarters of the Democratic Union of Hungarians in Romania. The local Hungarian citizens tried to defend their interest but this act also fell into violence. The involvement of the Romanian Government in connection with the stimulation of ethnic violence is not completely unfounded (Andreescu 2001, Gallagher, 2005).

The media enlarged the tensions and contributed by its inflammatory discourse to the worsening of the situation. The parliamentary report about the events confirmed that the media reported falsely about the heavy influx of Hungarian citizens to help their co-nationals in their fight for a separate Transylvania. Incitements about "separatist" trends were used in an effort to manufacture ethnic conflict."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_clashes_of_T%C3%A2rgu_Mure%C8%99

[TheForeigner]

:picard2:

Ceausescu was a fascist in Communist clothing... Have you heard about "National Communism"????

"National Communism in Romania was the state ideology of Communist Romania between the early 1960s and 1989. Having its origins in Gheorghe Gheorghiu-Dej's political emancipation from the Soviet Union, it was greatly developed by Nicolae Ceaușescu, who began in 1971, through his July Theses manifesto, a national cultural revolution. Part of the national mythology was the Nicolae Ceaușescu's cult of personality and the idealization of Romania's history, known in Romanian historiography as Protochronism.

This nationalistic ideology was based on a mixture of Marxist-Leninist dogmas and doctrines of interwar far-right nationalism. The main argument of the tenet was the endless and unanimous fighting throughout two thousand years to achieve unity and independence."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Communism_in_Romania

Various asian countries also had national communist regimes. It's just a ''heretical'' variety of communism.

[Fakirbakir]

Various asian countries also had national communist regimes. It's just a ''heretical'' variety of communism.

It does not change the fact that Ceausescu was a brutal and repressive dictator of Romania....

http://www.eurhistxx.de/spip.php%3Farticle78&lang=en.html

[RussiaPrussia]

hungary should annex Transylvania

[TheForeigner]

hungary should annex Transylvania

The fuck is your problem with romania and romanians you russky moron? Just go jack off to your jap animes and don't bother people anymore.

[MellowD]

The fuck is your problem with romania and romanians you russky moron? Just go jack off to your jap animes and don't bother people anymore.

He's not russian.

I bet he had some problems with some gypsies from Romania and now he hates Romania and every romanian, usually that's the main reason why western europeans hate us.

[GERULA]

:picard2:

Ceausescu was a fascist in Communist clothing... Have you heard about "National Communism"????

"National Communism in Romania was the state ideology of Communist Romania between the early 1960s and 1989. Having its origins in Gheorghe Gheorghiu-Dej's political emancipation from the Soviet Union, it was greatly developed by Nicolae Ceaușescu, who began in 1971, through his July Theses manifesto, a national cultural revolution. Part of the national mythology was the Nicolae Ceaușescu's cult of personality and the idealization of Romania's history, known in Romanian historiography as Protochronism.

This nationalistic ideology was based on a mixture of Marxist-Leninist dogmas and doctrines of interwar far-right nationalism. The main argument of the tenet was the endless and unanimous fighting throughout two thousand years to achieve unity and independence."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Communism_in_Romania

Wow...lots of newbies here ...Nr 1 rule in historic debates...never quote wikipedia ...LOL...dumbass
And yes he was a patriot ...that is for romanians ...not for hungarians or any other nation that lives within Romania ( and don't worry there was not oppression...) a patriot as Putin is for the Russians today and Orban is for hungarians ...get it ...any comment ???

[GERULA]

He's not russian.

I bet he had some problems with some gypsies from Romania and now he hates Romania and every romanian, usually that's the main reason why western europeans hate us.

problema lor este ca nici macar nu stiu de unde se trag ca natii si sint gelosi...asta este..noi sintem aici de mii si mii de ani :)

[Vlach]

problema lor este ca nici macar nu stiu de unde se trag ca natii si sint gelosi...asta este..noi sintem aici de mii si mii de ani :)

Russia Prussia nu e rus, e elvețian sau ceva de genu. Dacă e elvețian e clar de ce simte nevoia să se regăsească în altă nație.

[TheForeigner]

Why not provide sources for the supposedly many massacres and one instance(at least) of mass rape by Romanians against Magyars in 1944? The Maniu Guards only executed about a dozen Hungarian men accused of killing Romanian soldiers. What other crimes were commited by Rumanians?