MyOrigins results

[JQP4545]

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[JQP4545]

Imo they don't give enough explanation. For example does Anatolia mean modern Turkish or prehistoric Anatolian farmer?

[Mortimer]

as someone with balkan ancestry it is a bit weird that i lack the anatolian crossroads completely but have as high eastern afro asiatic, how is that explained?

[JQP4545]

Feel free to post your results.

[JQP4545]

as someone with balkan ancestry it is a bit weird that i lack the anatolian crossroads completely but have as high eastern afro asiatic, how is that explained?

You should post yours, it would be interesting to see Bruce Lee.

[Mortimer]

http://s29.postimg.org/nruzi6u1z/myoriginsftdna.jpg

[JQP4545]

^^^Seems pretty good.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Imo they don't give enough explanation. For example does Anatolia mean modern Turkish or prehistoric Anatolian farmer?

No genetic results for ancient anatolians, really. It's too hot so they don't preserve, and government there is not much for science.

[JQP4545]

No genetic results for ancient anatolians, really. It's too hot so they don't preserve, and government there is not much for science.

Interesting, so I'm part Turk.

[wvwvw]

Anatolia and Caucasus here mean West Asian bozo

[Mazik]

My results for myOrigins:

http://s13.postimg.org/pk0x8l8pz/myor.jpg

[Alessio]

http://s20.postimg.org/wvd8vav0p/My_origins.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/wvd8vav0p/)

[JQP4545]

Anatolia and Caucasus here mean West Asian bozo

As opposed to turk?

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Anatolia and Caucasus here mean West Asian bozo

Aka turkey...which is where the component reaches its highest level by far.

[Insuperable]

Aka turkey...which is where the component reaches its highest level by far.

It is an ancestreal reference population with origins way before Turks got to Anatolia,

[Gauthier]

Can someone pass me the link for Myorigins?

Edit: Nevermind. Got it.

[Argang]

All of those population components are based on modern populations. Anatolian Crossroads seems to be just like 23andMe's Middle Eastern and thus based mostly on Armenians, Turks and Georgians, as they have actual Arabs in the North African category for some reason. FtDNA has those in Eastern Afroasiatic.

[Insuperable]

Southerners should kick out all Anatolian Middle Eastern mongrels from Anatolia and reclaim Anatolia back. That way you can become 100% European.:laugh:


jk

[Geni]

:lol:

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Interesting results.

[Altaylardan Tunaya]

http://i.imgur.com/j505j2L.jpg

[Äijä]

All of those population components are based on modern populations. Anatolian Crossroads seems to be just like 23andMe's Middle Eastern and thus based mostly on Armenians, Turks and Georgians, as they have actual Arabs in the North African category for some reason. FtDNA has those in Eastern Afroasiatic.

The North Circumpolar does not work right, it basically left Finns as castaways.

http://terheninenmaa.blogspot.fi/2014/05/how-did-finnish-i1-and-r1a-transformed.html

[Harkonnen]

The North Circumpolar does not work right, it basically left Finns as castaways.

http://terheninenmaa.blogspot.fi/2014/05/how-did-finnish-i1-and-r1a-transformed.html

Believe me it works reasonably ok, for what it's supposed to show. Lemmi once again has no point at all.

[Danishmend]

http://i.hizliresim.com/vzjmZm.jpg (http://hizliresim.com/vzjmZm)

[Harkonnen]

Afaik I've understood it Lemmi's idea would be to a create a tool that would show Scandinavians as mixture of Osthrobotnians and something else. Basically he just wants to change the location of European northlands from Norway to Osthrobothnia. Nevermind that whatever the labels might suggest this really is a tool to detect a recently recent admix from modern nations. Of course it would make perfect sense that a yank who knows that he has a bit of Swedish and bit of French and British and wants to know what's the actual composition, suddenly finds out he has Finnish ancestry. Sure, sure..

If he would really want to know the Finnish origins, he would demand that the Finnish samples would be removed alltogether, because that is the way to find out the origins: REMOVE THE FINNISH SAMPLES. But no, he just goes on, early settlement Finns, West Finns blah blah, conveniently ignoring that a West Finnish component would have exactly the same problems to the to the East.

[Argang]

Afaik I've understood it Lemmi's idea would be to a create a tool that would show Scandinavians as mixture of Osthrobotnians and something else.

Tools like that already exist. Just make a PCA with only Ostrobothnians, Scandinavians and British and there you go. Do the same with Russians, East Germans and British and the Germans will appear mixed.

If you put East Finns in there too then Ostrobothnians and Swedes will both appear mixed. But that isn't really informative for either British or East Finns. You might manage to make one where East Finns appear mixed using Saami (but not Mari or Udmurts, they work for Mordovians/Russians (http://verenich.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/finest.png)) and maybe Basques for British.

Crucial thing is to understand how these gadgets work.

[Äijä]

Afaik I've understood it Lemmi's idea would be to a create a tool that would show Scandinavians as mixture of Osthrobotnians and something else. Basically he just wants to change the location of European northlands from Norway to Osthrobothnia. Nevermind that whatever the labels might suggest this really is a tool to detect a recently recent admix from modern nations. Of course it would make perfect sense that a yank who knows that he has a bit of Swedish and bit of French and British and wants to know what's the actual composition, suddenly finds out he has Finnish ancestry. Sure, sure..

If he would really want to know the Finnish origins, he would demand that the Finnish samples would be removed alltogether, because that is the way to find out the origins: REMOVE THE FINNISH SAMPLES. But no, he just goes on, early settlement Finns, West Finns blah blah, conveniently ignoring that a West Finnish component would have exactly the same problems to the to the East.

Yet 100% North Circumpolar result is a joke for any Finn, people actually had that, I am sure if works for the target audience.

You are right that maybe take some samples out, like all the Savonians.

[Maleficent]

Apparently this is from the new FTDNA update, if I paid for just haplogroups will my results include this?

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Apparently this is from the new FTDNA update, if I paid for just haplogroups will my results include this?

no haplogroups are separate. And if you wanted to find male lineage it costs more for deep clad testing after your haplogroup Y dna test

[Maleficent]

no haplogroups are separate.Okay, thanks for clarifying.
And if you wanted to find male lineage it costs more for deep clad testing after your haplogroup Y dna testI'm aware. I've got my current ydna from 23andme, I did indeed pay for the deep clad testing for my father's test with ftdna.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Okay, thanks for clarifying.I'm aware. I've got my current ydna from 23andme, I did indeed pay for the deep clad testing for my father's test with ftdna.

There is a deal I think where you can do both but its more expensive than alone. I did them all separetely

[Lemminkäinen]

Believe me it works reasonably ok, for what it's supposed to show. Lemmi once again has no point at all.

Hello my fellow forumites. I want to correct some points. My goal is only to do quality analyses. One part of it is the common ancient ancestry of Estonians, Finns and Eastern Swedes. It is shown also by 23andme's Ancestry Composition and by the shared Y-Dna. It would be more weird if those three ethnic groups would be WITHOUT any common ancestry after living there in neighborhood around 2000 years.

The problem I found with FamilyTreeDna's myOrigins is the distribution of specified gene pools among Finns. The Circumpolar was poorly defined, they found it and named it newly. But this is not all; another questionable matter holds all other specified ancestries. Finns seem to show quite a different collection of admixes up to 30%, usually 10-30%. They do have Northlands, but also British, French-Swiss and Slavic ancestries, all those addressed to different individuals. It is absolutely too much diversity for a small population like Western Finns.

[Äijä]

Hello my fellow forumites. I want to correct some points. My goal is only to do quality analyses. One part of it is the common ancient ancestry of Estonians, Finns and Eastern Swedes. It is shown also by 23andme's Ancestry Composition and by the shared Y-Dna. It would be more weird if those three ethnic groups would be WITHOUT any common ancestry after living there in neighborhood around 2000 years.

The problem I found with FamilyTreeDna's myOrigins is the distribution of specified gene pools among Finns. The Circumpolar was poorly defined, they found it and named it newly. But this is not all; another questionable matter holds all other specified ancestries. Finns seem to show quite a different collection of admixes up to 30%, usually 10-30%. They do have Northlands, but also British, French-Swiss and Slavic ancestries, all those addressed to different individuals. It is absolutely too much diversity for a small population like Western Finns.

What if they hold Finnish ancestries?

[Lemminkäinen]

What if they hold Finnish ancestries?

In principle it is not possible. North Europeans do share common ancestry, but it can't be designated to any present-day ethnic group. The problem with myOrigins is that it gives for one Southwestern Finn 10% English, for another 20% Northlands and for the third one 20% Slavic and then someone shows 20% French. This implies quite a high diversity for people who are close relatives compared to large Central European populations. Southwestern Finns are a group with a local mixed ancestry for hundreds of years with much less foreign admix and show, as all Finns, much closer kinship at 23andme's Relative Finder, FtDna's Family Finder etc., thus the formula is simply suspicious. I am not arguing against the common ancestry of Northern Europeans to some extent, even to the shown amount of myOrigins, but FamilyTreeDna misses to point between recent and ancient ancestries and ethnicities. The best thing they could do is to publish their admix porportions for all populations. It would explain many questions.

[Äijä]

More crazy stuff.


Strange results
Hi, I just want to share my myOrigins results in this thread. My results and my mother´s differs a lot and i would like to have some ideas about how it´s possible. My mother is of mostly north-Swedish heritage and my father of only Saami.

My results:

Finland and Northern Siberia 59%
Western and central Europe 30%
Scandinavia 4%
Northeast Asia 7%

My mother´s results:

Scandinavia 88%
Finland and Northern Siberia 8%
Western and Central Europe 3%

How is this possible? My father should have little or no "Western and Central Europe" at all due to the fact that he´s of only Saami heritage.



Yes! It seems like this method is having a hard time to separate the Scandinavian cluster from Finland and North Siberia.


http://forums.familytreedna.com/showthread.php?t=34975&page=13


They seem to have a policy to turn Finns in to some type of freaks of Europe so that they can keep Scandinavians "pure".

[Kazimiera]

where do you get this? I did FTDNA but I didn't do family finder, only full sequence mtdna

[Iloko]

Here's mine. Much better than the old PopFinder but I'm not completely satisfied with my results as my 1.6% Euro, and 1% Indian minority admix I got on 23andme didn't show up on MyOrigins

http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y315/shazou927/My%20FTDNA%20Results/MyOrigins_zpsa2a9062f.jpg

[Thrax]

I've ordered it today, does anyone know how long it takes for the results to be available? (they already had my DNA stored fom the ydna test)

[HellLander87]

I've ordered it today, does anyone know how long it takes for the results to be available? (they already had my DNA stored fom the ydna test)
About a month.

[Artek]

I've ordered it today, does anyone know how long it takes for the results to be available? (they already had my DNA stored fom the ydna test)
2 weeks, mostly.

[Lemminkäinen]

They seem to have a policy to turn Finns in to some type of freaks of Europe so that they can keep Scandinavians "pure".

This is obviously what they try to do, or very close it. They try to ignore the ancient common history in Fennoscandinavia, the history that people share from times before "Middle Eastern" migrations to West Europe. I mean Fennoscandinavian ancient hunter-gatherers. We have hard time to prove our ancestry, because the more sophisticated and complex genetic tests come the more the result is steered by makers and parameters defined by them. And the more sophisticated the test is the less statistic data and method description we get. 23andme's team published a detailed method description after they released the first version of Ancestry Composition, but after meeting serious problems and getting absolutely senseless results they made methodical changes to the system. They however never updated the description. Does the description apply to the first or second version? Commercial test providers don't need to prove anything, they only optimize revenues and you can guess priorities in this work. Our part is only to believe.

[Fenrir]

Wasn't sure whether to start a new thread or not. Anyway:

http://s28.postimg.org/g56l6hcb1/rsz_1rsz_0b123.png