Mediterranean people form own race

[JQP4545]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/TR8ox_MI6qI/AAAAAAAADIE/zEcyBpR0U8s/s1600/MDS1600.png

The map shows that Mediterranean people are their own race so quit calling them "white people". White means British people and was gradually expanded to include all Caucasians. Caucasians have many subgroups with different genes and cultures that should be acknowledged. Mediterraneans have a separate history from Northern Europe. Northern Europeans were the Barbarians in ancient times and have a separate history and culture.

[Queen B]

The map shows that Mediterranean people are their own race so quit calling them "white people". White means British people and was gradually expanded to include all Caucasians. Caucasians have many subgroups with different genes and cultures that should be acknowledged. Mediterraneans have a separate history from Northern Europe. Northern Europeans were the Barbarians in ancient times and have a separate history and culture.

So you are basically saing that white = Aryan.

So why aren't they called just Aryan ?

[JQP4545]

So you are basically saing that white = Aryan.

So why aren't they called just Aryan ?

I'm just saying that Mediterraneans should be recognized as being unique. NW Europeans just call them white so they can claim their ancient heritage as their own.

[Longbowman]

No it doesn't :laugh:

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Funny Hun.

[Stefan]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/TR8ox_MI6qI/AAAAAAAADIE/zEcyBpR0U8s/s1600/MDS1600.png

The map shows that Mediterranean people are their own race so quit calling them "white people". White means British people and was gradually expanded to include all Caucasians. Caucasians have many subgroups with different genes and cultures that should be acknowledged. Mediterraneans have a separate history from Northern Europe. Northern Europeans were the Barbarians in ancient times and have a separate history and culture.


The bolded are false. The Spanish and Portuguese were denoted as "blanco" well before the British interacted with other races.

As for the separate history and culture

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/77/Neolithic_expansion.svg/550px-Neolithic_expansion.svg.png http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/European-middle-neolithic-en.svg

http://andromeda.rutgers.edu/~jlynch/language.gif

By the your PCA plot, one can make the claim that Eastern Europeans are their own race as well (there is as much distance and infra-affinity in Eastern Europe as there is in Southern Europe with respect to each other and Western/Northern Europe.) Notice that Jews are a bridge between the European cluster and the Middle-Eastern one on that PCA. What it tells us is that if we were to separate by looking at PCA plots, Europe separates from the Middle East, and Mediterranean Europeans are more similar to other Europeans (in general) than to Mediterranean persons found in the Middle-East and North Africa.

[armenianbodyhair]

This is precisely the BS that makes me want to take a permanent poop break from this site.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

The bolded are false. The Spanish and Portuguese were denoted as "blanco" well before the British interacted with other races.

As for the separate history and culture

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/77/Neolithic_expansion.svg/550px-Neolithic_expansion.svg.png http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/European-middle-neolithic-en.svg

http://andromeda.rutgers.edu/~jlynch/language.gif

By the your PCA plot, one can make the claim that Eastern Europeans are their own race as well (there is as much distance and infra-affinity in Eastern Europe as there is in Southern Europe with respect to each other and Western/Northern Europe.) Notice that Jews are a bridge between the European cluster and the Middle-Eastern one on that PCA. What it tells us is that if we were to separate by looking at PCA plots, Europe separates from the Middle East, and Mediterranean Europeans are more similar to other Europeans (in general) than to Mediterranean persons found in the Middle-East and North Africa.

They also one of that first started to used the term "white" to describe the European Caucasian sub-races.

[Drawing-slim]

Yea, it is a different race in a sense. Mediterraneans can only be white, but never have the potential to be white trash though.
Has anyone noticed that?:D

[Insuperable]

Well good morning sir!

[Hithaeglir]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Huxley_whites.png

[JQP4545]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Huxley_whites.png

Its more culture and heritage than biology. Mediterranean Europe is just different than Northern Europe.

47134

[JQP4545]

The bolded are false. The Spanish and Portuguese were denoted as "blanco" well before the British interacted with other races.

As for the separate history and culture

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/77/Neolithic_expansion.svg/550px-Neolithic_expansion.svg.png http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/European-middle-neolithic-en.svg

http://andromeda.rutgers.edu/~jlynch/language.gif

By the your PCA plot, one can make the claim that Eastern Europeans are their own race as well (there is as much distance and infra-affinity in Eastern Europe as there is in Southern Europe with respect to each other and Western/Northern Europe.) Notice that Jews are a bridge between the European cluster and the Middle-Eastern one on that PCA. What it tells us is that if we were to separate by looking at PCA plots, Europe separates from the Middle East, and Mediterranean Europeans are more similar to other Europeans (in general) than to Mediterranean persons found in the Middle-East and North Africa.

Eastern Europeans are equally as distinctive. Also its more culture than some term such as blanco. Mediterraneans are distinctive because they developed historically and biologically a bit differently from Northern Europe.

[zhaoyun]

They are not their own race, but it is definitely a unique phenotype, and probably the most pervasive in the world. If you have a Mediterranean look, you can probably pass in some measure in about half the countries in the world.

[JQP4545]

They are not their own race, but it is definitely a unique phenotype, and probably the most pervasive in the world. If you have a Mediterranean look, you can probably pass in some measure in about half the countries in the world.


Race is a classification system used to categorize humans into large and distinct populations or groups by anatomical, cultural, ethnic, genetic, geographical, historical, linguistic, religious, and/or social affiliation.

Race isn't just about having a certain phenotype. I'm saying that there is a Mediterranean identity that can be seen in the fact that they are closely related genetically and culturally/historically/etc.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

You can't get a race by mixing other races.

[aimar]

I agree, I'm not very white, apart from winter months, plus I would be closer to the average phenotype in countries such as Tunisia, Algeria, Turkey, Lebanon than in Iceland, Sweden, FInland, Estonia, etc.

[Longbowman]

Race isn't just about having a certain phenotype. I'm saying that there is a Mediterranean identity that can be seen in the fact that they are closely related genetically and culturally/historically/etc.

The data you provided did not show a clear divide between Northern and Southern Europeans. It did show a clear divide between Europeans and MENA folk.

[bimo]

i don't care
white or not , still i am uber

[JQP4545]

The data you provided did not show a clear divide between Northern and Southern Europeans. It did show a clear divide between Europeans and MENA folk.

I think if you view France as an intermediary (biracial if you will) then there is a clear divide between NW Europe and Mediterranean.

[Longbowman]

I think if you view France as an intermediary (biracial if you will) then there is a clear divide between NW Europe and Mediterranean.

There really clearly isn't. And yeah, if you remove certain enormous populations there'll be a gulf, but the reality is, those intermediaries exist. Icelanders and Moroccan Jews are different, sure, but the reality is they're both part of the same population continuum. If there is a gulf it's with NE Europe and SE Europe.

[Hadouken]

I think you will be very good friends with Solin :tongue

[Insuperable]

I think you will be very good friends with Solin :tongue

The man does speak the truth.

[Insuperable]

Southern Europeans are European/Arabolevantonorthafrican mix and therefore mongrels or at least their own race.

[cally]

I don't think the map shows that. :) but yeah Mediterranean components do exist but Northern Europeans also have them.

[Smaug]

White means "New Worlder of European descent". A child born in Scotland to Scot parents is not White, but a child born in Canada to Scottish parents is White.

[Smeagol]

I don't see where it shows that? Mediterranean people are part of the White Race.

[Smeagol]

I think if you view France as an intermediary (biracial if you will) then there is a clear divide between NW Europe and Mediterranean.

Lol, France is biracial? :rolleyes:

[Stefan]

I think if you view France as an intermediary (biracial if you will) then there is a clear divide between NW Europe and Mediterranean.

A population is defined by being monotypic. That means there cannot be gene-flow. It makes no sense to view France as "biracial" because it would imply that there hasn't been gene flow until very recently. This is not true.

[JQP4545]

A population is defined by being monotypic. That means there cannot be gene-flow. It makes no sense to view France as "biracial" because it would imply that there hasn't been gene flow until very recently. This is not true.

You people are too serious...

[gültekin]

no one mentioned it, what about the slaves of Roman empire, were they mixed in the air?

[nose]

You can't get a race by mixing other races.

stop saying that gracile meds are the original meds and the first capelloids

[Hithaeglir]

Its more culture and heritage than biology. Mediterranean Europe is just different than Northern Europe.

47134

The word "race" is a biological term.You should have said "Mediterannean Europe forms own cultural heritage".Two very different things.Cheers.

[HellLander87]

I form my own race.

[Fire Haired]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/TR8ox_MI6qI/AAAAAAAADIE/zEcyBpR0U8s/s1600/MDS1600.png

The map shows that Mediterranean people are their own race so quit calling them "white people". White means British people and was gradually expanded to include all Caucasians. Caucasians have many subgroups with different genes and cultures that should be acknowledged. Mediterraneans have a separate history from Northern Europe. Northern Europeans were the Barbarians in ancient times and have a separate history and culture.

It depends on how you define race. Judge human genetics with DNA, not physical features. Europeans are not a pure race, they are mixed in various ways between Mesolithic north Eurasian hunter gatherers and near eastern farmers (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCkQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eupedia.com%2Fforum%2Fthreads %2F29789-Revised-Laz-Ancient-genomes-suggest-three-ancestral-populations-for-Europeans&ei=RcByU9bSBI2OyATqg4GYDQ&usg=AFQjCNHIw3jMHNFjJin0Ba8GL14cW2df1g&sig2=_uJ2wHUqzOqkI7PK4GDYlA&bvm=bv.66699033,d.aWw). You are making many assumptions, south and north Europeans are very connected historically. Pretty much everything you wrote is false. I am to busy to point out all of the faults.