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StonyArabia
05-13-2014, 08:57 PM
The Safavids often relied to transmit Shiaism into the Persian population through the Arab missionaries, and this was why they were largely successful. At the same time many of the Sunni Persians, and Baloch migrated to the Arab states and Anatolia, well some even went as far as India.

Now how the Safavid relied on Arab missionaries, less Arab empire and more Turkic:rolleyes:

After the conquest, Ismail began transforming the religious landscape of Iran by imposing Twelver Shiism on the populace. Since most of the population embraced Sunni Islam and since an educated version of Shiism was scarce in Iran at the time, Ismail imported a new Shia Ulema corps from traditional Shiite centers of the Arabic speaking lands, such as Jabal Amil (of Southern Lebanon), Bahrain and Southern Iraq in order to create a state clergy. Ismail offered them land and money in return for loyalty.

These scholars taught the doctrine of Twelver Shiism and made it accessible to the population and energetically encouraged conversion to Shiism.To emphasize how scarce Twelver Shiism was then to be found in Iran, a chronicler tells us that only one Shia text could be found in Ismail’s capital Tabriz.Thus it is questionable whether Ismail and his followers could have succeeded in forcing a whole people to adopt a new faith without the support of the Arab Shiite scholars.

The rulers of Safavid Persia also invited these foreign Arab Shiite religious scholars to their court in order to provide legitimacy for their own rule over Persia.

Abbas I of Persia, during his reign, also imported more Arab Shia Ulema to Iran, built religious institutions for them, including many Madrasahs (religious schools) and successfully persuaded them to participate in the government, which they had shunned in the past (following the Hidden imam doctrine)

Kiyant
05-13-2014, 08:58 PM
What is your problem with the Safavids and Qizilbashs and why do you want to make them look non-Turkic?

StonyArabia
05-13-2014, 09:03 PM
What is your problem with the Safavids and Qizilbashs and why do you want to make them look non-Turkic?

The Safavids were said to be the greatest Persian empire after the Arabian conquest, and they identified themselves as Persians by culture, they spoke Persian and descent from an Iranic people, often believed to have been of Kurdish origins who took on a Turkic dialect, but their culture, tradition and behavior was very Iranian, and they even identified themselves as such. Nope this not not making them look non-Turkic but speaking facts. The Ottomans did not use Arabs for anything, well the Safavids used them to spread Shiaism through missionariy means. They are the ones with the less Turkic culture and Persian one. The Ottomans were also Persianate but they were clearly more Turkic than the Safavids.

Kiyant
05-13-2014, 09:05 PM
The Safavids were said to be the greatest Persian empire after the Arabian conquest, and they identified themselves as Persians by culture, they spoke Persian and descent from an Iranic people, often believed to have been of Kurdish origins who took on a Turkic dialect, but their culture, tradition and behavior was very Iranian, and they even identified themselves as such. Nope this not not making them look non-Turkic but speaking facts. The Ottomans did not use Arabs for anything, well the Safavids used them to spread Shiaism through missionariy means. They are the ones with the less Turkic culture and Persian one. The Ottomans were also Persianate but they were clearly more Turkic than the Safavids.

To be Turkic is not (only) about the race its also about traditions/origins and language and both Safavids and Qizilbashs are in that regard Turkic

random
05-13-2014, 09:09 PM
They were shia before the safavids and the " arab missionaries "
http://www.yenidenergenekon.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/karakoyunlular_yeni.jpg

StonyArabia
05-13-2014, 09:09 PM
To be Turkic is not (only) about the race its also about traditions/origins and language and both Safavids and Qizilbashs are in that regard Turkic

The Safavids were very Persian in their culture and orientation. The Qizilbash themselves were modeled after the Persian mystical movement order http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khurramites. They were not modeled on anything Turkic but everything they had was Iranic and Persian derived.

StonyArabia
05-14-2014, 03:46 PM
They were shia before the safavids and the " arab missionaries "
http://www.yenidenergenekon.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/karakoyunlular_yeni.jpg

No it was only the Qara Koynulu that were Shia and their influence was not strong. Also their Shiaism differed from the mainstream 12er Shiaism which it's important centers at the time was Southern Lebanon and Bahrain. However it was during the Safavids who used to follow some form of ghulat Shiaism and heavily intermixed with Sufism and various Iranic/Turkic believes. It was only with the rise of Arab missionaries that the conversion to 12er Shiaism became possible, since it's believed that this religious believe was quite alien originally to Iran in the first place.

Graine
05-24-2014, 08:46 AM
God bless Eastern Arabia

StonyArabia
05-24-2014, 11:42 PM
God bless Eastern Arabia

Why for giving Shiaism to Iran? Although Shias sect indeed before, but they differed from the mainstream 12er Shiaism that the Arabs brought.