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Daos
01-24-2010, 06:47 PM
Pictures from a folk festival: Festivalul Cântecului și Dansului din Țara Chioarului, 2008

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2a/Maramures.svg/180px-Maramures.svg.png

http://bp2.blogger.com/_Dt1CF12fymA/SHYuVaqBcjI/AAAAAAAABBY/VjxO8W6QFXw/s400/23+(413+x+600).jpg http://bp2.blogger.com/_Dt1CF12fymA/SHYt9b8N8zI/AAAAAAAABBI/5-Gq_XBgb60/s400/16+(381+x+600).jpg http://bp3.blogger.com/_Dt1CF12fymA/SHYuLofJYDI/AAAAAAAABBQ/6bbdSuodd-g/s400/18+(438+x+600).jpg

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Gooding
01-24-2010, 06:52 PM
These photos lead me to ask: is there a physical kinship between Romanians and Italians? I ask this because many of the Romanians pictured here would not perhaps look out of place in areas like Rome, Naples or Palermo..

Daos
01-24-2010, 06:58 PM
These photos lead me to ask: is there a physical kinship between Romanians and Italians? I ask this because many of the Romanians pictured here would not perhaps look out of place in areas like Rome, Naples or Palermo..

To put it bluntly: Romanians = Dacians + Roman colonists* + Slavs

*Roman colonists aren't necessarily Romans...

We also had Italian merchants and such around here, but I don't think they mingled with the peasants too much.:P

Gooding
01-24-2010, 07:02 PM
To put it bluntly: Romanians = Dacians + Roman colonists* + Slavs

*Roman colonists aren't necessarily Romans...

We also had Italian merchants and such around here, but I don't think they mingled with the peasants too much.:P

Thank you for clarifying that for me, Daos.:) So what I might think of as Italian features might actually be Thracian. Thank you again.

Tabiti
01-24-2010, 07:07 PM
These photos lead me to ask: is there a physical kinship between Romanians and Italians? I ask this because many of the Romanians pictured here would not perhaps look out of place in areas like Rome, Naples or Palermo..
By the way many non-SE there is no clear difference between more "mediteranean" in look European nations. Romanians as pred. Pontids can look like Italians of Atlanto-med type, found mostly in Northern Italy. This is not because historical links, etc...

Daos
01-25-2010, 06:17 AM
Here are a few vintage anthropological plates for all you aficionados.;)

http://s60.radikal.ru/i169/0904/72/48173de62697.jpg

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poiuytrewq0987
01-25-2010, 06:53 PM
To put it bluntly: Romanians = Dacians + Roman colonists* + Slavs

*Roman colonists aren't necessarily Romans...

We also had Italian merchants and such around here, but I don't think they mingled with the peasants too much.:P

Welcome to the Apricity. :) Do you post on Stormfront? I think I've seen your username before but I can't quite place it...

Also it's interesting how you've put your "meta-ethnicity" as Thracian. :)


The Getae were "the noblest as well as the most just of all the Thracian tribes.
-Herodotus

Daos
01-25-2010, 07:12 PM
Welcome to the Apricity.

Thank you! It's good to be here! It turned out better than I've expected.:)


Do you post on Stormfront? I think I've seen your username before but I can't quite place it...

No, I've never been there... I would tell you what other fora I frequent(ed), but I think it might be interpreted as advertisement and I don't want a ban so soon.:p


Also it's interesting how you've put your "meta-ethnicity" as Thracian. :)

I don't (think I) have any Roman blood, so to pick Romance would have been weird. I consider myself a Thracian and believe I look pretty similar to my ancestors:

http://dacica.ro/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/3.jpg

Tabiti
01-25-2010, 07:33 PM
And how did Thracians look like?
Hellenes just used the term "Thracian" to describe all the "barbaric" tribes that lived in the northern areas. There was no such ethnicity.
The guy above looks just like an ordinary, classical bust of a Roman.

Daos
01-25-2010, 07:49 PM
And how did Thracians look like?

http://www.ancient-bulgaria.com/images/Thracian.jpg
:wink


Hellenes just used the term "Thracian" to describe all the "barbaric" tribes that lived in the northern areas. There was no such ethnicity.

Huh?


An ethnic group is a group of humans whose members identify with each other, through a common heritage that is real or assumed.


The guy above looks just like an ordinary, classical bust of a Roman.

Perhaps for the untrained eye...:P

Tabiti
01-25-2010, 07:51 PM
^You say you go out like that? :D
Yeah, the man has beard. A Barbaric trait. That's the difference.

Reconstructions of "Thracian" skulls. Look like average Ancient Europeans if you ask me:
http://trakite.info/wp-content/gallery/varna/varna_43.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_3VmSl3VqNSY/RvpZYey_9dI/AAAAAAAABJo/dSoX3g0mP_A/s200/Trakiiska+printzesa.JPG

poiuytrewq0987
01-25-2010, 07:56 PM
And how did Thracians look like?
Hellenes just used the term "Thracian" to describe all the "barbaric" tribes that lived in the northern areas. There was no such ethnicity.
The guy above looks just like an ordinary, classical bust of a Roman.

That's not really true, Bulgaria today can be considered as successor to the Odrysian Kingdom. Thracians maintained its own separate language however Greek was also spoken in Thrace because at the time Greek was the "international language" like English is today.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/91/ODRYSIANKINGDOM2.jpg/800px-ODRYSIANKINGDOM2.jpg

Tabiti
01-25-2010, 07:58 PM
Odrysians were just a "Thracian" tribe, no evidences they were the "real Thracians".

poiuytrewq0987
01-25-2010, 08:06 PM
Odrysians were just a "Thracian" tribe, no evidences they were the "real Thracians".

That's quite misleading, the Odrysian Kingdom was and is a real kingdom composed of Thracians that stood until the Roman conquest. Odrysia was originally a tribe, yes, but it evolved into a kingdom with its capital situated near Kazanlak. And there are lots of well-known Odrysian kings, you really should do some research first. :)

Tabiti
01-25-2010, 08:11 PM
Yes, sir. Some of us have read the school textbooks in history.
We don't talk about Odrysians and their history, but for Thracians as a whole and can they be named as a certain ethnicity or "meta-ethnicity".
And Romanian lands were populated mostly by the so called Dacians.

poiuytrewq0987
01-25-2010, 08:14 PM
Thank you! It's good to be here! It turned out better than I've expected.:)



No, I've never been there... I would tell you what other fora I frequent(ed), but I think it might be interpreted as advertisement and I don't want a ban so soon.:p



I don't (think I) have any Roman blood, so to pick Romance would have been weird. I consider myself a Thracian and believe I look pretty similar to my ancestors:



Romania speaks a Romance language today because of Roman influence over the people after Dacia was conquered by Trajan. Whether the Romans made a large impact on the genepool is unknown but they certainly contributed to the genepool of Romanians since Romans also colonized Romania to some degree. A lot of people in Romania have the archetype what some call "Pontid" which is quite similar to how most Bulgarians are classified. So, I would not go so far as claiming Romanians are genetically close to Italians but I would go as far as to say that Romanians are very close to Bulgarians genetics-wise. I think it'd be very interesting to see how Romania would've turned out today if the Romans did not influence Romanians so much and made them speak a Romance language.

poiuytrewq0987
01-25-2010, 08:16 PM
Yes, sir. Some of us have read the school textbooks in history.
We don't talk about Odrysians and their history, but for Thracians as a whole and can they be named as a certain ethnicity or "meta-ethnicity".
And Romanian lands were populated mostly by the so called Dacians.

Thracian is its own ethnic group as how Greeks are their own or the Romans are their own. Original Thracians obviously aren't here today but Romanians and Bulgarians could be viewed as descendants of original Thracians.

poiuytrewq0987
01-25-2010, 08:18 PM
And Romanian lands were populated mostly by the so called Dacians. Goes to show how little you know about Dacians. ;)

Tabiti
01-25-2010, 08:28 PM
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Original Thracians obviously aren't here today but Romanians and Bulgarians could be viewed as descendants of original Thracians.
As well as other Balkan nations of different degree. Depends on politics and fashion:)
There's an argue which the original Thracian type was - Dinarid or Pontid. I would say both were presented here, but Dinarid is still more Illyrian trait.

BTW, Romania used Cyrillic until 19th century. Many similar words with "Slavic" roots can be found even by nonlinguist in the Romanian language today. The influence was not only during ancient times. The traces left North of Danube by the Bulgarians? What about Medieval times and the influence of Bulgarian kingdom over Wallachia? Not to talk how many Bulgarians migrated there during the Ottoman enslavement and stayed. Including part of my own family. So, the claim Bulgarians and Romanians look like each other because they are Thracians is not quite correct and full.
Talking about Thracians is just a more painless way to show the connection of two nations. Especially for the Romanian side.


Goes to show how little you know about Dacians.
Not an expert in Romanian history, if we exclude all the "propaganda" information I've read about Dacia here.;)

poiuytrewq0987
01-25-2010, 08:42 PM
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As well as other Balkan nations of different degree. Depends on politics and fashion:)
There's an argue which the original Thracian type was - Dinarid or Pontid. I would say both were presented here, but Dinarid is still more Illyrian trait.

BTW, Romania used Cyrillic until 19th century. Many similar words with "Slavic" roots can be found even by nonlinguist in the Romanian language today. The influence was not only during ancient times. The traces left North of Danube by the Bulgarians? What about Medieval times and the influence of Bulgarian kingdom over Wallachia? Not to talk how many Bulgarians migrated there during the Ottoman enslavement and stayed. Including part of my own family. So, the claim Bulgarians and Romanians look like each other because they are Thracians is not quite correct and full.
Talking about Thracians is just a more painless way to show the connection of two nations. Especially for the Romanian side.


Not an expert in Romanian history, if we exclude all the "propaganda" information I've read about Dacia here.;)

The connection between Romanians and Bulgarians aren't just limited to our Thracian heritage. We've always been close to each others but today we've been drifting away somewhat since the Romanians have started to "Latinize" themselves.

Our connection with each others is many things and some of them are our Thracian heritage, to the Bulgarian rule of Romania, (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ee/Bulgaria_Simeon_I_%28893-927%29.svg/627px-Bulgaria_Simeon_I_%28893-927%29.svg.png) and the relative genetic closeness of both nations. Only thing that divides both of us today is our language which has taken on a separate course.

poiuytrewq0987
01-25-2010, 08:43 PM
Not an expert in Romanian history, if we exclude all the "propaganda" information I've read about Dacia here.;)Just a tidbit of information, Dacians were a north Thracian tribe who spoke a north Thracian language.

http://linguistlist.org/forms/langs/get-familyid.cfm?CFTREEITEMKEY=IEM

Tabiti
01-25-2010, 08:50 PM
Just a tidbit of information, Dacians were a north Thracian tribe who spoke a north Thracian language.

http://linguistlist.org/forms/langs/get-familyid.cfm?CFTREEITEMKEY=IEM
Where did I say they weren't "Thracian"? Just Daos is the first Romanian I know who is labeling himself "Thracian", not "Dacian" (and I've spoken with several Romanians on this topic), so it sounded weird to me at a first sight. Thracian always refers more to that what is called Bulgaria now than Romania.

But the thread is about Romanians, so let the Romanian speaks here and tell us his point of view.

poiuytrewq0987
01-25-2010, 08:55 PM
Where did I say they weren't "Thracian"? Just Daos is the first Romanian I know who is labeling himself "Thracian", not "Dacian" (and I've spoken with several Romanians on this topic), so it sounded weird to me at a first sight. Thracian always refers more to that what is called Bulgaria now than Romania.

But the thread is about Romanians, so let the Romanian speaks here and tell us his point of view.

Maybe it is because he identifies his Dacian heritage to be a Thracian one? Dacia is one of many Thracian tribes so it does make sense for him to claim a Thracian identity, even though not all Romanians may call themselves that.

Daos
01-26-2010, 05:34 PM
Where did I say they weren't "Thracian"? Just Daos is the first Romanian I know who is labeling himself "Thracian", not "Dacian" (and I've spoken with several Romanians on this topic), so it sounded weird to me at a first sight. Thracian always refers more to that what is called Bulgaria now than Romania.

From what I've read the Dacians are part of the greater Thracian family, just like the Illyrians. That is the reason why I chose to write Thracian in the meta-ethnicity field. However wikipedia seems to list them as being completely separate... I must say I'm a bit confused.

Here are a few articles that reffer to the Dacians as Thracians: 1 (http://www.dacia.org/history/trdac_e.html), 2 (http://greek-gods.tripod.com/Thracians.htm), 3 (http://www.eliznik.org.uk/RomaniaHistory/dacia-thracian-getae.htm). And even the cover of a book that I will read after the exam session will be over: The Thracians of Transylvania.

http://dacica.ro/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/9moisin.jpg

Tabiti
01-26-2010, 05:51 PM
However wikipedia seems to list them as being completely separate...
Well, Wikipedia...;)

Amapola
01-26-2010, 05:56 PM
Romance "for the record" is rather a linguistic term.

poiuytrewq0987
01-26-2010, 11:52 PM
Romance "for the record" is rather a linguistic term.

Indeed, it is and one has to wonder what language the Romanians would speak today if Romans never influenced Dacia.


Well, Wikipedia...;)

That doesn't necessarily invalidate whatever was written there especially if the posted material is backed with reliable and credible sources.


From what I've read the Dacians are part of the greater Thracian family, just like the Illyrians. That is the reason why I chose to write Thracian in the meta-ethnicity field. However wikipedia seems to list them as being completely separate... I must say I'm a bit confused.

Here are a few articles that reffer to the Dacians as Thracians: 1 (http://www.dacia.org/history/trdac_e.html), 2 (http://greek-gods.tripod.com/Thracians.htm), 3 (http://www.eliznik.org.uk/RomaniaHistory/dacia-thracian-getae.htm). And even the cover of a book that I will read after the exam session will be over: The Thracians of Transylvania.



One has to wonder why we haven't been the best of friends throughout history despite our relative closeness. The Thracian origin of Dacians is pretty hard to dispute because they spoke a dialect of the Thracian language and if a Dacian spoke a Thracian language means it's likely the Dacian is related to the Thracians of Thrace. Although some of the websites you provided claimed that Thracians are related to Dacians instead of Dacians being related to Thracians which I think is a bit odd.

Cail
01-27-2010, 12:03 AM
One has to wonder why we haven't been the best of friends throughout history despite our relative closeness. The Thracian origin of Dacians is pretty hard to dispute because they spoke a dialect of the Thracian language and if a Dacian spoke a Thracian language means it's likely the Dacian is related to the Thracians of Thrace. Although some of the websites you provided claimed that Thracians are related to Dacians instead of Dacians being related to Thracians which I think is a bit odd.

You're speaking about things you have no clue about. We have extremely little data on both Thracian and Dacian languages. There is absolutely no scientific consensus as to their interrelations, or relations to Illyrian. There are multiple very different theories, none of which has been proven yet. Whether they were dialects, or related languages, or a sprachbund, or something else is not known. Saying that "Dacians spoke a dialect of Thracian language" as if it was a fact is just lol.

poiuytrewq0987
01-27-2010, 12:14 AM
You're speaking about things you have no clue about. We have extremely little data on both Thracian and Dacian languages. There is absolutely no scientific consensus as to their interrelations, or relations to Illyrian. There are multiple very different theories, none of which has been proven yet. Whether they were dialects, or related languages, or a sprachbund, or something else is not known. Saying that "Dacians spoke a dialect of Thracian language" as if it was a fact is just lol.

It is palpable that Dacians spoke a Thracian language otherwise questions regarding the question would've not emerged in the first place.

Daos
01-27-2010, 06:04 AM
You're speaking about things you have no clue about. We have extremely little data on both Thracian and Dacian languages. There is absolutely no scientific consensus as to their interrelations, or relations to Illyrian. There are multiple very different theories, none of which has been proven yet. Whether they were dialects, or related languages, or a sprachbund, or something else is not known. Saying that "Dacians spoke a dialect of Thracian language" as if it was a fact is just lol.

Apparently the older theory that Thracian is linked to the Dacian and Illyrian language is contested. However in our country it seems to be still widely accepted as a fact. Hence books such as this are being published: Research on the Thraco-Dacian background of the Romanian language.

http://dacica.ro/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/preview-brancus-214x300.jpg

Tabiti
01-27-2010, 09:48 AM
Cail is right. There are no complete evidences of what Thracian language was. I've seen a "Dictionary" of Thracian words (!?), however most sounds like "Romantic Ancient history fairytale". There are indeed ancient scripts found on the Balkans (Gradeshnitza, Karanowo) with clearly non-Hellenic origin, but can someone say by 100% which language was that and how was it spoken.
http://ziezi.net/azbuka_files/Pechat.gif
http://www.institutet-science.com/artefacts/grad01big.jpg

Eh, Wikipedia!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thracian_language
One is sure - almost nothing is used in the today's Bulgarian language with consist of words with Slavic and non-Slavic (Bulgarian, other Iranic, etc) roots.
Don't know what's the case with nowadays Romanian but I guess it's similar.

poiuytrewq0987
01-27-2010, 03:59 PM
Check out this link http://www.institutet-science.com/en/gradeshnitzae.php first.

There were tablets found in Thrace using hieroglyphic script. Meaning the Thracians first wrote in hieroglyph before they adopted their own version of Greek script to write. Most likely because of the Greek influence similar to how Romans have influenced many of European countries to use Latin script.

And you'd probably want to check this out too http://www.institutet-science.com/en/tartariae.php

Daos
02-03-2010, 09:10 AM
Pictures from a folk festival: Festivalul Cântecele Oltului

http://img.romerican.com/post060823_fetele_din_judet_olt_dans_in_calimanest i.jpg

http://img.romerican.com/post060823_colorful_romanian_folk_costumes_at_cant ecele_oltului.jpg

http://img.romerican.com/post060823_romanian_girls_in_pretty_folk_dress.jpg

http://img.romerican.com/post060823_cute_little_kids_at_romanian_festival.j pg

http://img.romerican.com/post060823_beautiful_romanati_girl_dances_at_cante cele_oltului_festival_in_Romania.jpg

http://img.romerican.com/post060823_valcea_and_slatina_girls_dance_hora.jpg

http://img.romerican.com/post060823_little_romanian_girls_in_hora_at_cantec ele_oltului.jpg

http://img.romerican.com/post060823_romanian_kids_having_fun_at_oltenia_hor a.jpg

d3cimat3d
02-03-2010, 10:28 AM
To put it bluntly: Romanians = Dacians + Roman colonists* + Slavs

*Roman colonists aren't necessarily Romans...

We also had Italian merchants and such around here, but I don't think they mingled with the peasants too much.:P

I'm sure the Goths left a legacy in Romanians as well.

Daos
02-03-2010, 12:25 PM
I'm sure the Goths left a legacy in Romanians as well.

I don't know what to tell you... Perhaps ash-blond people are remnants of the Goths? Or maybe they're just the descendants of the German colonists...

http://www.time-services.ro/catalog/images/romania_adlibri.jpg

In any case, they're influence was insignificant compared to the one Roman colonists and Slavs have had.

d3cimat3d
02-03-2010, 02:38 PM
I don't know what to tell you... Perhaps ash-blond people are remnants of the Goths? Or maybe they're just the descendants of the German colonists...

http://www.time-services.ro/catalog/images/romania_adlibri.jpg

In any case, they're influence was insignificant compared to the one Roman colonists and Slavs have had.

I guess being Gothic is more of a Moldovan thing ;)

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa29/powerup927/GOTHS-2.jpg

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa29/powerup927/GODS.jpg

Kanasyuvigi
02-03-2010, 09:34 PM
Romanian ethnical genesis has always been a mystery for me. I've got a few simple questions. How did such a large Romance-lingual community appeared north of Danube? Dacia has been part of the Roman empire only for around 150 years, quite less than the rest of the Balkans. Moreover, the lands north of Danube are usually associated with the barbarian attacks against the Empire.
Where did the Cumans, Pechenegs, Torks (Oghuz), Avars, who inhabited Romania for centuries, disappear? Why the Old Church Slavonic was the main language used for liturgical and administrative purposes by the Romanians until the 19th century?

d3cimat3d
02-04-2010, 05:11 AM
Where did the Cumans, Pechenegs, Torks (Oghuz), Avars, who inhabited Romania for centuries, disappear?

Most were killed off. Tatars and other Mongoloid people who looked foreign were very much depsised by the locals, only time they would get to breed was thorugh rape, other than that it was no womens choice to marry one.

70,000 Pechenegs were killed in a single day by the Byzantines for example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Levounion

Daos
02-04-2010, 07:12 AM
How did such a large Romance-lingual community appeared north of Danube? Dacia has been part of the Roman empire only for around 150 years, quite less than the rest of the Balkans. Moreover, the lands north of Danube are usually associated with the barbarian attacks against the Empire.

Heh, I wouldn't call this a simple question...

After the Second Dacian War, during which the capital city and it's temples where completely destroyed, the Romans did the following things:

in order to discourage future revolts Legio XIII Gemina and Legio V Macedonica were permanently posted in Dacia, the veterans of these legions were given land in Dacia and married Dacian women
banned the Dacian religion, which would be a serious blow to any culture
brought colonists from the other provinces


However, as you can see, this is hardly enough to justify the mass abandonment of their language, especially considering only about 1/4 of the Dacian territory was occupied by the Romans, so it's still much of a mystery...

http://upload.moldova.org/map/dacia-sec_ii-iii.jpg


Where did the Cumans, Pechenegs, Torks (Oghuz), Avars, who inhabited Romania for centuries, disappear?


While the Cumans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumans) were gradually absorbed into eastern European populations, their trace can still be found in placenames as widespread as the city of Kumanovo in the Northeastern part of the Republic of Macedonia; a Slavic village named Kumanichevo in the Kostur (Kastoria) district of Greece, which was changed to Lithia after Greece obtained this territory in the 1913 Treaty of Bucharest, Comăneşti in Romania, and Comana in Dobruja (also Romania).

As the Mongols pushed westwards and devastated their state, most of the Cumans fled to the Bulgarian Empire as they were major military allies. The Bulgarian Tsar Ivan-Asen II settled them in the southern parts of the country, bordering the Latin Empire and the Thessallonikan Despotate. Those territories are present-day Turkish Europe and the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia. The Cumans also settled in Hungary and had their own self-government there in a territory that bore their name, Kunság, that survived until the 19th century. There, the name of the Cumans (Kun) is still preserved in county names such as Bács-Kiskun and Jász-Nagykun-Szolnok and town names such as Kiskunhalas and Kunszentmiklós.

The Cumans were organized into four tribes in Hungary: Kolbasz/Olas in the big Cumania around Karcag, and the other three in the lesser Cumania.


After centuries of fighting involving all their neighbours—the Byzantine Empire, Bulgaria, Kievan Rus, Khazaria and the Magyars—the Pechenegs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pecenegs) were annihilated as an independent force at the Battle of Levounion by a combined Byzantine and Cuman army under Byzantine Emperor Alexios I Komnenos in 1091. Attacked again in 1094 by the Cumans, many Pechenegs were slain or absorbed. They were again defeated by the Byzantines at the Battle of Beroia in 1122, on the territory of modern day Bulgaria. For some time, significant communities of Pechenegs still remained in Hungary, but finally the Pechenegs ceased to be a distinct people and were assimilated into the neighbouring Bulgarians, Magyars and Gagauz. In the 15th century Hungary some people adopted the surname Besenyö, which is Hungarian for Pecheneg. They were most numerous in the county of Tolna. Abu Hamid al Garnathi in the late 12th century referred to Hungarian Pechenegs who were probably Muslims living disguised as Christians. Others survived within the ranks of the pastoral nomadic tribes of the Balkan Highlands as Yörüks, eventually adopting Islam.

The Torks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torks) weren't much of a presence in Romania...


In 804, the First Bulgarian Empire conquered the southeastern Avar lands- Transylvania and south-eastern Pannonia to the Middle Danube River. Many Avars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Avars) became subjects of the Bulgar Empire. The Franks turned the Avar lands under their control into a military march. The eastern half of this March was then granted to the Slavic Prince Pribina, who established the Balaton principality in 840 AD. The western part of Awarenmark continued to exist until 871, when it was integrated into the Carantanian and Eastern marches.

The Avars had already been fusing with the more numerous Slavs for generations. In turn, they came under the rule of external polities – that of the Franks, the Bulgar Khanate and Great Moravia. Isolated pockets of Avars in Transylvania and eastern Pannonia escaped assimilation, and might have been the “Huns” encountered[citation needed] by the invading Magyars in the 9th century. Annales Iuvavenses maximi mention the 881 battle of the mysterious "Cowari" in Kollmitz, and the Avars of Tiszántúl and Crisana were still bilingual when the Hungarians arrived in 895. Their hypothetical descendants, the Székely (who apparently preserved the Avar Dragon Totem well into the 15th century), were relocated to Transylvania in the 12th century. In contrast to Transylvania, the descendants of those who had considered themselves "Avars" in the 8th century (i.e., part of the Avar polity, even if actually of Slavic or Germanic background) in the central Pannonian Plain were absorbed by the invading Magyars to form the new nation of Hungary.


Why the Old Church Slavonic was the main language used for liturgical and administrative purposes by the Romanians until the 19th century?

That is because the ruling elite were of Cuman, Alan or Bulgarian origin, just like in Transylvania the ruling elite was of Hungarian, Szekler or Saxon origin... And we just kept the Cyrillic alphabet, some say to prevent Catholicism from spreading.:P

poiuytrewq0987
02-04-2010, 11:17 PM
Heh, I wouldn't call this a simple question...

After the Second Dacian War, during which the capital city and it's temples where completely destroyed, the Romans did the following things:

in order to discourage future revolts Legio XIII Gemina and Legio V Macedonica were permanently posted in Dacia, the veterans of these legions were given land in Dacia and married Dacian women
banned the Dacian religion, which would be a serious blow to any culture
brought colonists from the other provinces


However, as you can see, this is hardly enough to justify the mass abandonment of their language, especially considering only about 1/4 of the Dacian territory was occupied by the Romans, so it's still much of a mystery...

http://upload.moldova.org/map/dacia-sec_ii-iii.jpg







The Torks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torks) weren't much of a presence in Romania...





That is because the ruling elite were of Cuman, Alan or Bulgarian origin, just like in Transylvania the ruling elite was of Hungarian, Szekler or Saxon origin... And we just kept the Cyrillic alphabet, some say to prevent Catholicism from spreading.:P

The concept of Dacian language disappearing without a trace (excluding a couple archaeological relics) can be contrasted with Greek dark ages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Dark_Age#Dark_Age_culture), a period of cultural decline. The only difference between Greeks and Dacians was that the Greeks were able to recover from their dark ages because there were no Romans in Greece during their dark ages. Whereas Romans completely destroyed everything Dacian and presumably Thracian too out of an attempt to Romanize Dacia and other Thracian regions.

Guapo
02-04-2010, 11:26 PM
http://i34.tinypic.com/eoirt.jpg

Romanian, Hungarian, Serbian or Croatian, fuck, they all look the same to me :rolleyes:

Óttar
02-05-2010, 01:18 AM
http://images.cdn.fotopedia.com/flickr-246771737-image.jpg
http://dacica.ro/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/3.jpg

Are you a Sikh by any chance? :p

Daos
02-05-2010, 05:53 AM
http://images.cdn.fotopedia.com/flickr-246771737-image.jpg
http://dacica.ro/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/3.jpg

Are you a Sikh by any chance? :p

You're not the first to notice the similarities... I'm not sure if there is any link though. I mean, after all, that type of hat is pretty common:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/BritishMuseumMithras.jpg/522px-BritishMuseumMithras.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/73/Bust_Attis_CdM.jpg/430px-Bust_Attis_CdM.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/Magi_%281%29.jpg/780px-Magi_%281%29.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/40/Marianne_Symbol_of_french_republic_3.jpg/328px-Marianne_Symbol_of_french_republic_3.jpg

d3cimat3d
02-05-2010, 06:06 AM
You're not the first to notice the similarities... I'm not sure if there is any link though. I mean, after all, that type of hat is pretty common:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/BritishMuseumMithras.jpg/522px-BritishMuseumMithras.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/73/Bust_Attis_CdM.jpg/430px-Bust_Attis_CdM.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/Magi_%281%29.jpg/780px-Magi_%281%29.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/40/Marianne_Symbol_of_french_republic_3.jpg/328px-Marianne_Symbol_of_french_republic_3.jpg


That kind of hat is associated with the Scythians:


http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa29/powerup927/sumex07_04-4.jpg

Daos
02-05-2010, 06:36 AM
That kind of hat is associated with the Scythians:


http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa29/powerup927/sumex07_04-4.jpg

It doesn't really look like ours...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/03/Scythian_Warriors.jpg

Cail
02-05-2010, 08:44 AM
http://i34.tinypic.com/eoirt.jpg

Romanian, Hungarian, Serbian or Croatian, fuck, they all look the same to me :rolleyes:

Like tramps :confused:?

d3cimat3d
02-05-2010, 09:24 AM
Like tramps :confused:?

You must be gay.

Daos
02-05-2010, 06:49 PM
Some old people from Maramureș:

http://fotomaramures.ro/d/60147-3/bunica+mea.jpg

http://fotomaramures.ro/d/45412-3/batranete_001.jpg

http://fotomaramures.ro/d/40574-3/orizont.jpg

http://fotomaramures.ro/d/40575-3/poate+ca+da.jpg

http://fotomaramures.ro/d/40459-3/Mos+Ciopoc.JPG

http://fotomaramures.ro/d/28938-3/sacel.jpg

http://fotomaramures.ro/d/28939-3/sacel+port.jpg

http://fotomaramures.ro/d/28940-3/sacel+port___.jpg

http://fotomaramures.ro/d/28936-3/Poienile+de+Sub+Munte.jpg

http://fotomaramures.ro/d/28937-3/port+Sacel.jpg

http://fotomaramures.ro/d/26536-3/Picture+184m.jpg

http://fotomaramures.ro/d/26205-3/2+_1+of+1_And4More_tonemappedb.jpg

http://fotomaramures.ro/d/24572-3/CREDINCIOS+IN+BISERICA.jpg

http://fotomaramures.ro/d/24495-3/SUNT+INCA+CHIPES+LA+99+DE+ANI.jpg

http://fotomaramures.ro/d/16027-3/portretul+batranetii.JPG

http://fotomaramures.ro/d/15293-3/Glod_+matusa+Cocian_+peste+90+de+ani.jpg

http://fotomaramures.ro/d/11179-3/15d+copy.jpg

http://fotomaramures.ro/d/3606-3/p_izei27.jpg

Daos
02-05-2010, 06:52 PM
Youth from Maramureș:

http://fotomaramures.ro/d/33503-3/tarancute+vadu+izei.jpg

http://fotomaramures.ro/d/28930-3/De+sarbatoare.jpg

http://fotomaramures.ro/d/28934-3/Morosanca_001.jpg

http://fotomaramures.ro/d/28935-3/Pastratoare+de+traditie.jpg

http://fotomaramures.ro/d/28929-3/Costum+traditional+cu+fata.jpg

http://fotomaramures.ro/d/24565-3/FATA+DE+PE+IZA.jpg

http://fotomaramures.ro/d/24500-3/NICU.jpg

http://fotomaramures.ro/d/20010-3/Port+popular+din+Dragomiresti.JPG

http://fotomaramures.ro/d/6769-3/Fecior.jpg

Daos
02-05-2010, 06:53 PM
Children from Maramureș:

http://fotomaramures.ro/d/50298-3/TRADITIE.jpg

http://www.fotomaramures.ro/d/29353-3/IMG_4431.jpg

http://fotomaramures.ro/d/28932-3/Feciorasi+din+Vadu+Izei.jpg

http://fotomaramures.ro/d/24545-3/ZANA+MICA.jpg

http://fotomaramures.ro/d/24539-3/COPII++DE++PE++MARA.jpg

http://fotomaramures.ro/d/23454-3/morosanca.JPG

http://fotomaramures.ro/d/20005-3/Fascinatia+scenei.JPG

http://fotomaramures.ro/d/11176-3/15b+copy.jpg

http://fotomaramures.ro/d/2720-3/Francesca.jpg

Daos
02-08-2010, 06:56 PM
People from Bucovina:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4034/4251023668_554933be53.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2719/4215920866_27417eedd6.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/2qasaav.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1040/3173463021_7d3f001ff6.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2421/4089659727_3451fbae49.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/2exwvn7.jpg

http://i48.tinypic.com/34hfgg7.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4022/4313989234_0ba65ab82e.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4063/4273787557_4e6040e533.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2788/4155796848_0686be1f49.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2673/4002268820_26561626d4.jpg

http://i47.tinypic.com/1j10y0.jpg

Monolith
02-09-2010, 05:31 PM
^Many of the people you posted look much alike their Ukrainian neighbours, IMO.

Could you post pictures of people from more southern Romanian lands?

d3cimat3d
02-09-2010, 05:41 PM
^Many of the people you posted look much alike their Ukrainian neighbours, IMO.



:rolleyes:Phenotype doesn't suddenly change once you pass the border, it's a gradual shift as you head northwards. There is no magic line where suddenly everyone is Nordid.


Unless it's the Polish-German border:
(R1a frequencies)
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa29/powerup927/R1A_map-5.jpg

Monolith
02-09-2010, 05:51 PM
:rolleyes:Phenotypes does't suddenly change once you pass the border, it's a gradual shift as you head northwards. There is no magic line where suddenly everyone is Nordid.
Good to know that. I always thought Romanians are swarthy untermensch, while Ukrainians are, naturally, nordic gods.

d3cimat3d
02-09-2010, 05:59 PM
Good to know that. I always thought Romanians are swarthy uebermensch, while Ukrainians are, naturally, nordic gods.

That's actually true, Ukrainians on average have higher frequencies of blonde hair and blue eyes than Romanians, but Ukrainians get those features from the Baltid phenotypes, wheras Romanians get their blonde hair, blue eyes from mixing with legitimate Nordids. (Troender, Hallstat, Faelid Nordids)

Baltids are basically just Asians who caught the blonde hair/colored eye mutation, which arose roughly 8,000 years ago.


uebermensch, .

By the way, I think what you meant instead was 'untermensch'... Ubermensch means more like 'super human' or 'superior'... untermensch is sub-human (non-Nordid)

I'm not saying I agree with Nazi ideology though.

Monolith
02-09-2010, 07:15 PM
That's actually true, Ukrainians on average have higher frequencies of blonde hair and blue eyes than Romanians, but Ukrainians get those features from the Baltid phenotypes, wheras Romanians get their blonde hair, blue eyes from mixing with legitimate Nordids. (Troender, Hallstat, Faelid Nordids)
I'm sorry, but that's just hilarious :D


Baltids are basically just Asians who caught the blonde hair/colored eye mutation, which arose roughly 8,000 years ago.

They caught the mutation? Tell me more!


By the way, I think what you meant instead was 'untermensch'... Ubermensch means more like 'super human' or 'superior'... untermensch is sub-human (non-Nordid)
Yeah, sorry, I meant untermensch.

d3cimat3d
02-09-2010, 07:34 PM
I'm sorry, but that's just hilarious :D


:wink



They caught the mutation? Tell me more!


:coffee:

You see, when the first person with the blonde hair mutation spawned somewhere in north-east Europe, people were very fascinated by this hair color that resembled the dried grasses (hay) which they fed their livestock with. At the time, the only hair color that existed other than black was red/orange, and judging by the modern descendants, red/orange wasn't that desirable, maybe even it was feared. (no one wanted to reproduce with someone who had a fire on top of their head)

The first person with the blonde mutation was a sex god/godess, because he/she could breed with almost anyone they desired to. Over time, the offspring of this person(s) continued to pass on this feature, to the point where people no longer wanted to breed with the common black haired folk.

This mutation spread like wildfire, as everyone started breeding strictly with blondes, and now in modern days, here we are, 250,000,000 blonde people running around.

d3cimat3d
02-09-2010, 07:43 PM
Actually, edit that. It's 500,000,000 blondes in the world. That's if you include the Americas and if you consider some lighter shades of brown to be blonde.

Ragnvald
02-09-2010, 07:47 PM
That's actually true, Ukrainians on average have higher frequencies of blonde hair and blue eyes than Romanians, but Ukrainians get those features from the Baltid phenotypes, wheras Romanians get their blonde hair, blue eyes from mixing with legitimate Nordids. (Troender, Hallstat, Faelid Nordids)

Baltids are basically just Asians who caught the blonde hair/colored eye mutation, which arose roughly 8,000 years ago.

What are you talking about? I've seen your photo, you look like some kind of Arab or Central-Asian. Baltids look way less foreign to me.

d3cimat3d
02-09-2010, 07:51 PM
What are you talking about. I've seen your photo, you look like some kind of Arab or Central-Asian. Baltids look way less alien to me.

So, I don't exactly look like this:

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa29/powerup927/albino_african_americans.jpg


How does that change the validity of any of my statements?
Are blonde people somehow magical and superior over us black-heads?

Besides, You're the one pretending to be a surgeon here.
Come on man, it's a obvious lie, no way a 25 year old can complete a medical school course.

Ragnvald
02-09-2010, 07:57 PM
So, I don't exactly look like this:

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa29/powerup927/albino_african_americans.jpg


How does that change the validity of any of my statements?
Are blonde people somehow magical and superior over us black-heads?

I am not speaking about hair color, but about phenotype in general.



Besides, You're the one pretending to be a surgeon here.
Come on man, it's a obvious lie, no way a 25 year old can complete a medical school course.

Do you always accuse people of lying when you first meet them? To be honest, i do not care what you think (i've been reading the forum, you seem to be an unpleasant person), but just for your information -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_school_in_the_United_Kingdom

I've graduated Medicinae Baccalaureus, Baccalaureus Chirurgiae when i was 24.

d3cimat3d
02-09-2010, 08:06 PM
I am not speaking about hair color, but about phenotype in general.


Sure, I'm such a Arab, that my phenotype is found in western Norway.
:rolleyes:

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/5705/mannfrasogn.jpg





Do you always accuse people of lying when you first meet them? To be honest, i do not care what you think (i've been reading the forum, you seem to be an unpleasant person), but just for your information -


First off, I never 'met' you. You're just some wierdo on the internet. Secondly, I'm not saying that you're lying, just saying that something is suspicious. You're 25 years old, yet you completed a full medical school course to be a surgeon.
:rolleyes:




I've graduated Medicinae Baccalaureus, Baccalaureus Chirurgiae when i was 24.

:rolleyes:Well I used to be the chancellor of Germany

People can be anything they want, it's the internet.

Ragnvald
02-09-2010, 08:17 PM
Sure, I'm such a Arab, that my phenotype is found in western Norway.
:rolleyes:
You have little in common with that person, except you both have two eyes and a nose.


First off, I never 'met' you. You're just some wierdo on the internet. Secondly, I'm not saying that you're lying, just saying that something is suspicious. You're 25 years old, yet you completed a full medical school course to be a surgeon.
:rolleyes:
:rolleyes:Well I used to be the chancellor of Germany
People can be anything they want, it's the internet.
Whatever. As i've said, i hardly care what you think about me. I don't feel desire to impress random people.

poiuytrewq0987
02-09-2010, 08:22 PM
Baltids are basically just Asians who caught the blonde hair/colored eye mutation, which arose roughly 8,000 years ago.lol.

Your posts are so ridiculous, calling one of the primary European groups "Asian" is just so far-reaching. I have to wonder if anyone take you seriously in real life.

d3cimat3d
02-09-2010, 08:46 PM
You have little in common with that person, except you both have two eyes and a nose.
Whatever. As i've said, i hardly care what you think about me. I don't feel desire to impress random people.

Fair enough, but you still haven't answered my original question. How does looking Central Asian / Middle Eastern have anything to do with the credibility of my statements? Are Nordids more trustworthy or something?

Do I have to dye my hair and install contacts to be taken seriously around here?


What are you talking about? I've seen your photo, you look like some kind of Arab or Central-Asian. Baltids look way less foreign to me.

:confused:



lol.

Your posts are so ridiculous, calling one of the primary European groups "Asian" is just so far-reaching. I have to wonder if anyone take you seriously in real life.

You're welcome to have your own opinions on the matter, and I've presented mine. If you have objections, that's fine with me, but there's no need to spew your Slavic bullshit towards my direction.

poiuytrewq0987
02-09-2010, 09:10 PM
You're welcome to have your own opinions on the matter, and I've presented mine. If you have objections, that's fine with me, but there's no need to spew your Slavic bullshit towards my direction.

I find it quite interesting that you brought up my ethnicity rather than argue my points based on its merits. You are a very sick, sick person with a twisted view on two of the most numerous European subraces.

d3cimat3d
02-09-2010, 09:33 PM
I find it quite interesting that you brought up my ethnicity rather than argue my points based on its merits.


What point? I didn't see no point, I just see the ramblings of a mentally retarded person.




You are a very sick, sick person with a twisted view on two of the most numerous European subraces.


First off, what two sub-races are you refering to? I was only talking about East Baltid. Than again, these are my opinions on the matter, if you object to it and find them to be borderline crazy, than that's good for you, but why do you care what I believe? It's none of your business.

Like I said, spew your Slavic bullshit elsewhere.

poiuytrewq0987
02-09-2010, 10:07 PM
What point? I didn't see no point, I just see the ramblings of a mentally retarded person.





First off, what two sub-races are you refering to? I was only talking about East Baltid. Than again, these are my opinions on the matter, if you object to it and find them to be borderline crazy, than that's good for you, but why do you care what I believe? It's none of your business.

Like I said, spew your Slavic bullshit elsewhere.

You need help, go talk to a therapist about your issues. Maybe that'll make you better.

d3cimat3d
02-09-2010, 10:13 PM
You need help, go talk to a therapist about your issues. Maybe that'll make you better.

Look dude, you obviously hate me because I insulted the Baltid race, which is in turn connected with the Slavs. Let me make this clear, I personally have nothing against Slavs, and I have ancestry coming from Slavic lands, so don't get mad at me.


You need help, go talk to a therapist about your issues.

Whatever you say, hardcore Turkic Bulgar warrior. :rolleyes:

Anthropos
02-09-2010, 10:15 PM
CK,

Let's say that they were Asians then, for the sake of the argument (and only therefore). It wouldn't matter, since Europe is not divided into subraces anyway, but into ethnicities and nations.

poiuytrewq0987
02-09-2010, 10:16 PM
Look dude, you obviously hate me because I insulted the Baltid race, which is in turn connected with the Slavs. Let me make this clear, I personally have nothing against Slavs, so don't get mad at me.

Your comment regarding the Balts was and still is beyond retarded. You type like a 12 years old going through puberty. And because of that, I don't have to take you seriously, and I highly doubt others take you seriously too.

d3cimat3d
02-09-2010, 10:21 PM
Let's say that they were Asians then, for the sake of the argument (and only therefore).


Perhaps I should of been more clear, I didn't exactly mean 'Asians'. I'm refering to the Uralic and Finnic speaking people who have origins outside of Europe.



It wouldn't matter, since Europe is not divided into subraces anyway, but into ethnicities and nations.

Well Europe's borders have never remained constant, they been changing through the ages, so some imaginary line dividing Hungary and Austria, or Serbia and Kosova is meaningless to me. When I look at Europe, I see it for it's sub-races, not it's "ethnicities"...

What designates a group of people to be a seperate ethnicity in the first place? Bosniaks and Serbs are basically the same people had it not been religious differences.


And because of that, I don't have to take you seriously, and I highly doubt others take you seriously too.

If you don't take me seriously, than why are you here wasting your time debating with me? Do you not have a life to tend to?

Like I said for the 3rd time, These are not stone proof scientific facts that I've mentioned, just a collection of my opinions, and if you don't like them, go fuck yourself. :D

poiuytrewq0987
02-09-2010, 10:55 PM
If you don't take me seriously, than why are you here wasting your time debating with me? Do you not have a life to tend to?

Like I said for the 3rd time, These are not stone proof scientific facts that I've mentioned, just a collection of my opinions, and if you don't like them, go fuck yourself. :DI didn't know it was debating, all I've gotten from you were insults being hurled at me. You are truly a child.

Anthropos
02-09-2010, 10:58 PM
Perhaps I should of been more clear, I didn't exactly mean 'Asians'. I'm refering to the Uralic and Finnic speaking people who have origins outside of Europe.

Europe's borders have never remained constant, they been changing through the ages, so some imaginary line dividing Hungary and Austria, or Serbia and Kosova is meaningless to me. When I look at Europe, I see it for it's sub-races, not it's "ethnicities"...

What designates a group of people to be a seperate ethnicity in the first place? Bosniaks and Serbs are basically the same people had it not been religious differences.

Yeah, that's a question for you to ponder. Racial 'balticity' has almost nothing to do with it.

d3cimat3d
02-09-2010, 11:00 PM
I didn't know it was debating, all I've gotten from you were insults being hurled at me. You are truly a child.

Wait, let me get this straight, so you pop out of now where, insult me, and somehow I'm at fault? You insulted first because you have a problem with my opinions, perhaps you have some form of mental disorder that you can't even recall things that took place recently?


lol.

Your posts are so ridiculous, calling one of the primary European groups "Asian" is just so far-reaching. I have to wonder if anyone take you seriously in real life.

If I'm a child, than you're a toddler who's mother was a heavy vodka drinker.

poiuytrewq0987
02-09-2010, 11:04 PM
Wait, let me get this straight, so you pop out of now where, insult me, and somehow I'm at fault? You insulted first because you have a problem with my opinions, perhaps you have some form of mental disorder that you can't even recall things that took place recently?



If I'm a child, than you're a toddler who's mother was a heavy vodka drinker.

Never expect a warm reception when you call one of the primary European groups "Asian".

Guapo
02-10-2010, 04:43 AM
Folklore costumes? Yawn...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_7EXjdr2Pn-s/SLJ2aFNGA9I/AAAAAAAAD_w/tVFbaLNcUug/s400/346102l.jpg

http://img2.ifilmpro.com/resize/image/stills/films/resize/istd/2906317.jpg

http://www.romanian-girls.info/poze/Adelina-Elisei-1.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL_o1dtDCtQ

Daos
02-10-2010, 05:01 AM
^Many of the people you posted look much alike their Ukrainian neighbours, IMO.

Could you post pictures of people from more southern Romanian lands?

I've already posted people from the south (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=166962&postcount=33), but sure, I'll look for more pictures.

EDIT: Although I could use some tips as how to find such pictures...


Folklore costumes? Yawn...

I have much more respect for women wearing folk costumes than for those wearing t-shirts or bikinis... Not to mention the fact that they are actually Romanian and not American or Greek. The reason I post pictures from folk festivals and such is because they are much more beautiful than pictures from the grey streets...

Daos
02-14-2010, 01:55 PM
People from Țara Oașului, Satu Mare (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satu_Mare_County):

http://foto.oas.ro/albums/userpics/10001/257828905O164843520.jpg

http://foto.oas.ro/albums/userpics/10001/certeze1.jpg

http://foto.oas.ro/albums/userpics/10001/DSCF0118.jpg

http://foto.oas.ro/albums/userpics/10001/florica.jpg

http://foto.oas.ro/albums/userpics/10001/P5300004.jpg

http://foto.oas.ro/albums/userpics/10001/P5300006.jpg

http://foto.oas.ro/albums/userpics/10001/P5300008.jpg

http://foto.oas.ro/albums/userpics/10001/P7190169.jpg

http://foto.oas.ro/albums/userpics/10001/sambra-823.jpg

http://foto.oas.ro/albums/userpics/10001/257829223O030164570.jpg

http://foto.oas.ro/albums/userpics/10001/P2211406.jpg

http://foto.oas.ro/albums/userpics/10001/P2211427.jpg

Daos
02-24-2010, 07:28 AM
Romanians from all-over the country:

http://s47.radikal.ru/i117/0904/c7/db85e7635e47.jpg

http://s52.radikal.ru/i138/0904/6f/6f9c711ef1f1.jpg

http://i078.radikal.ru/0904/6f/60ebfda84a43.jpg

http://s40.radikal.ru/i090/0904/66/ba277e4f775c.jpg

http://s56.radikal.ru/i154/0904/ff/f428800d1586.jpg

http://s47.radikal.ru/i115/0904/6b/89574f0585a4.jpg

http://s60.radikal.ru/i167/0904/e8/466ce99a6c9b.jpg

http://s60.radikal.ru/i167/0904/42/ee61dd4de454.jpg

http://i032.radikal.ru/0904/e7/da9d9720b38c.jpg

http://s59.radikal.ru/i164/0904/54/1f0f8188b66a.jpg

http://s43.radikal.ru/i101/0904/67/e2d255f4b4e8.jpg

http://s44.radikal.ru/i103/0904/44/147361dff31c.jpg

http://i061.radikal.ru/0904/25/e899776778e8.jpg

http://s47.radikal.ru/i116/0904/a6/c0298ff822fb.jpg

http://i030.radikal.ru/0904/15/d4cc7c6dd4c3.jpg

http://i033.radikal.ru/0904/c6/bc59f209f6c3.jpg

http://s41.radikal.ru/i094/0904/57/456983c853c0.jpg

http://s40.radikal.ru/i089/0904/b0/1cbb79e52b52.jpg

http://s58.radikal.ru/i159/0904/bb/2fd0bbaed051.jpg

http://s43.radikal.ru/i101/0904/30/0d2d7b32eb85.jpg

http://s50.radikal.ru/i129/0904/31/ce6ad4c22303.jpg

Daos
02-25-2010, 06:16 AM
Romanian models from Ambiance Agency (http://www.ambianceagency.ro/) in Constanța:

http://www.ambianceagency.ro/BD/uploaded/mari/OanaG05.jpg http://www.ambianceagency.ro/BD/uploaded/mari/GinaA01.jpg http://www.ambianceagency.ro/BD/uploaded/mari/MonicaD01.jpg

http://www.ambianceagency.ro/BD/uploaded/mari/AndreeaD1.jpg http://www.ambianceagency.ro/BD/uploaded/mari/AdinaM01.jpg http://www.ambianceagency.ro/BD/uploaded/mari/LoryT1.jpg

http://www.ambianceagency.ro/BD/uploaded/mari/MonicaM2.jpg http://www.ambianceagency.ro/BD/uploaded/mari/RozaO05.jpg http://www.ambianceagency.ro/BD/uploaded/mari/GeorgianaC1.jpg

http://www.ambianceagency.ro/BD/uploaded/mari/IulianaM01.jpg http://www.ambianceagency.ro/BD/uploaded/mari/AlinaG1.jpg http://www.ambianceagency.ro/BD/uploaded/mari/RalucaA1.jpg
http://www.ambianceagency.ro/BD/uploaded/mari/MarianV1.jpg http://www.ambianceagency.ro/BD/uploaded/mari/CatalinD1.jpg http://www.ambianceagency.ro/BD/uploaded/mari/BogdanG1.jpg

http://www.ambianceagency.ro/BD/uploaded/mari/StefanC1.jpg http://www.ambianceagency.ro/BD/uploaded/mari/AdrianT3.jpg http://www.ambianceagency.ro/BD/uploaded/mari/ClaudiuG1.jpg

http://www.ambianceagency.ro/BD/uploaded/mari/AndreiGS1.jpg http://www.ambianceagency.ro/BD/uploaded/mari/LaurentiuB1.jpg http://www.ambianceagency.ro/BD/uploaded/mari/Stefan-M1.jpg

Daos
03-12-2010, 07:25 PM
Pretty embarrassing, but I'll do it in the name of science!:P

http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/lobont.jpg
Bogdan Lobonț

http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/stancioiu.jpg
Eduard Stăncioiu

http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/contra.jpg
Cosmin Contra

http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/rat.jpg
Răzvan Raț

http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/tamas.jpg
Gabriel Tamaș

http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/chivu.jpg
Cristian Chivu

http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/radoi.jpg
Mirel Rădoi

http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/sapunaru.jpg
Cristian Săpunaru

http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/ghionea.jpg
Sorin Ghionea

http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/goian.jpg
Dorin Goian

http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/moti.jpg
Cosmin Moți

http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/radu.jpg
Ștefan Radu

http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/petre.jpg
Florentin Petre

http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/codrea.jpg
Paul Codrea

http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/cocis.jpg
Răzvan Conciș

http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/cristea.jpg
Adrian Cristea

http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/dica.jpg
Nicolae Dică

http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/marica.jpg
Ciprian Marica

http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/mutu.jpg
Adrian Mutu

http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/marius-niculae.jpg
Marius Niculae

http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/daniel-niculae.jpg
Daniel Niculae

Don
03-12-2010, 09:21 PM
Recently a good friend of mine went to Romanía by business reasons.

He told me quite things about there, being the first that the people recogniced him as Spaniard and were very pleasant to him, who was surprised because many of them spoke castilian very fluently and saw our tv programs and series.

Sadly, Spain is full of romanian gypsies who very recently invaded as a plague our lands parasiting, begging and robbing from the natives.

We don't specify "gitano rumano" (romanian gypsy), we just say "rumano" and that implies a very bad stigma due to the actions these new invaders are doing here.

So, they are doing very much damage to the name of your country, at least in Spain.

Anyway, my friend told me too that they treated him very pleasantly just for being Spaniard as they insisted him about that the "rumis" or something like that, were not real romanians.

Daos
03-13-2010, 05:08 AM
He told me quite things about there, being the first that the people recogniced him as Spaniard and were very pleasant to him, who was surprised because many of them spoke castilian very fluently and saw our tv programs and series.

Oh, yes, Romanians usually treat foreigners very nice, it's each other that we don't treat too well. As for the TV series, they are most likely soap-operas...:tsk:


Sadly, Spain is full of romanian gypsies who very recently invaded as a plague our lands parasiting, begging and robbing from the natives.

We don't specify "gitano rumano" (romanian gypsy), we just say "rumano" and that implies a very bad stigma due to the actions these new invaders are doing here.

There are 2 types of Romanians in Spain: hard-working people that integrate (more or less) in the Spanish society and lowlifes that only go there to steal and act like gypsies...


So, they are doing very much damage to the name of your country, at least in Spain.

When gypsies go abroad they say they're Romanians and commit various crimes, further ruining our reputation, and when they're at home they complain that they are discriminated against...:rolleyes:

Amapola
03-18-2010, 12:34 PM
I always found Romanians to be the best integrated immigrants in Spain, especially paying attention to the good number of mixed Spanish-romanian couples that there are. I never saw that with other communities, not even with Hispanic-Americans.

Daos
03-31-2010, 04:10 PM
http://www.vacance-roumanie.com/romania_travel/recorrido_Rumania/rumania_viajes.jpg http://www.vacance-roumanie.com/romania_travel/sejours/gente_rumania.jpg http://www.vacance-roumanie.com/romania_travel/sejours/romanian_people.jpg

http://www.vacance-roumanie.com/romania_travel/viajes_organizados_maramures/viajes_rumania6.JPG

http://www.vacance-roumanie.com/romania_travel/viajes_organizados_maramures/viajes_rumania4.JPG

http://www.vacance-roumanie.com/romania_travel/viajes_organizados_maramures/viajes_rumania18.JPG

http://www.vacance-roumanie.com/romania_travel/viajes_organizados_maramures/viajes_rumania26.JPG

http://www.vacance-roumanie.com/romania_travel/viajes_organizados_maramures/viajes_rumania21.JPG

http://www.vacance-roumanie.com/romania_travel/viajes_organizados_maramures/viajes_rumania25.JPG

http://www.vacance-roumanie.com/romania_travel/viajes_organizados_maramures/viajar_por_maramures.JPG

Daos
04-05-2010, 04:13 PM
Some more people from Maramureș, because I know you didn't have enough of us...;)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3578/3566328210_65aae05de7_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3335/3562236730_6f22f0aeef_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3384/3567672133_e89f8ca4b3_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2423/3565513523_c30a7404cc_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3350/3566328410_66a3c5f2d5_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3305/3566328314_0d03428738_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2474/3562827196_ee2205f4ce_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3568/3561418527_9a9af08eb5_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3319/3560344627_8f62030096_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2140/3544517754_32b884ac64_o.jpg

Kanasyuvigi
04-05-2010, 07:37 PM
Pretty embarrassing, but I'll do it in the name of science!:P

http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/lobont.jpg
Bogdan Lobonț

http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/stancioiu.jpg
Eduard Stăncioiu

http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/contra.jpg
Cosmin Contra

http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/rat.jpg
Răzvan Raț

http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/tamas.jpg
Gabriel Tamaș

http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/chivu.jpg
Cristian Chivu

http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/radoi.jpg
Mirel Rădoi

http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/sapunaru.jpg
Cristian Săpunaru

http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/ghionea.jpg
Sorin Ghionea

http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/goian.jpg
Dorin Goian

http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/moti.jpg
Cosmin Moți

http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/radu.jpg
Ștefan Radu

http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/petre.jpg
Florentin Petre

http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/codrea.jpg
Paul Codrea

http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/cocis.jpg
Răzvan Conciș

http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/cristea.jpg
Adrian Cristea

http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/dica.jpg
Nicolae Dică

http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/marica.jpg
Ciprian Marica

http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/mutu.jpg
Adrian Mutu

http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/marius-niculae.jpg
Marius Niculae

http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/daniel-niculae.jpg
Daniel Niculae

Heh, I think that someone's missing. What about Banel Nicolita?
http://tricolori.gsp.ro/uploads/image/nicolita(1).jpg :D
Hah, I'm just joking. He's not ethnic Romanian for sure.

Daos
04-05-2010, 07:51 PM
If I never see his ugly mug ever again, it will be too soon...:puke: He looks like he just climbed down from a tree.:fear:

Myth
04-18-2010, 06:53 PM
To put it bluntly: Romanians = Dacians + Roman colonists* + Slavs

*Roman colonists aren't necessarily Romans...

We also had Italian merchants and such around here, but I don't think they mingled with the peasants too much.:P


I've never met a Romanian who claimed to be a Slav, the majority I've met claim to be Dacians or Latin peoples. It's true that Romania was heavily influenced by Slavic culture in recent times in terms of dress and food, but not in language or genetics. Most Romanians I seen look similar to Spanish or Italians.

Daos
04-18-2010, 07:43 PM
I've never met a Romanian who claimed to be a Slav, the majority I've met claim to be Dacians or Latin peoples. It's true that Romania was heavily influenced by Slavic culture in recent times in terms of dress and food, but not in language or genetics.

I can draw only one conclusion: you do not know enough about Romanians (and Slavs)!:p

I won't bother with the Slavs - you can find some basic information here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavs).

The Romanian language has a lot of words of Slavic origin, trust me.;) You can read about the Slavic superstratum in Romanian on wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_superstratum_in_Romanian).

As for genetics, the R1a haplogroup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1a_%28Y-DNA%29) (characteristic of Slavs) is present in Romania (http://eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml) in a considerable amount:

24% J2 (Mesopotamian, Minoan Greek, Phoenician)
22% R1b (Italic, Celtic, Germanic, Hittite, Armenian)
22% R1a (Balto-Slavic, Mycenaean Greek, Macedonian)
17.5% I2a (Dinaric, Danubian)
6% E1b1b (North & East African, Near Eastern, Balkanic)


Most Romanians I seen look similar to Spanish or Italians.

Maybe that's because the pre-Dacian populations from which the Dacians (and hence the Romanians) descended were of Mediterranean stock.

Monolith
04-18-2010, 07:48 PM
I've never met a Romanian who claimed to be a Slav, the majority I've met claim to be Dacians or Latin peoples. It's true that Romania was heavily influenced by Slavic culture in recent times in terms of dress and food, but not in language or genetics. Most Romanians I seen look similar to Spanish or Italians.
I think it is sufficient to just look at the pictures of Romanians in this thread to see obvious Slavic influences. ;)

Myth
04-18-2010, 07:53 PM
My dads Romanian and no one confuses him for a Slav, if anything, I get confused as Greek, Spanish, Italian or Levant Middle East. When I think of Slav, I think of a Russian or Polish.

Myth
04-18-2010, 07:54 PM
Heh, I think that someone's missing. What about Banel Nicolita?
http://tricolori.gsp.ro/uploads/image/nicolita(1).jpg :D
Hah, I'm just joking. He's not ethnic Romanian for sure.

Looks like a Indian or Gypsy to me

Daos
04-18-2010, 07:58 PM
Looks like a Indian or Gypsy to me

He is...;)

Myth
04-18-2010, 08:01 PM
He is...;)

They are always easy to spot, they seem to have dark eyelids and around their eyes as well, maybe it's a genetic thing.

RoyBatty
04-18-2010, 08:10 PM
When gypsies go abroad they say they're Romanians and commit various crimes, further ruining our reputation, and when they're at home they complain that they are discriminated against...:rolleyes:

That's right. I find it laughable how the media here (BBC and similar) describe Roma bandits who descend on the UK as "Romanian Immigrants".

Monolith
04-18-2010, 08:13 PM
My dads Romanian and no one confuses him for a Slav, if anything, I get confused as Greek, Spanish, Italian or Levant Middle East. When I think of Slav, I think of a Russian or Polish.
Then probably he has a Mediterranean phenotype. However, not all Romanians are Mediterranids.

Aramis
04-18-2010, 08:56 PM
I want more photos of swarthy Romanians. They are out there, I know. :)

Btw, my father looks very similar to the first man on this plate:

http://s60.radikal.ru/i169/0904/72/48173de62697.jpg

Daos
04-23-2010, 06:16 AM
http://s59.radikal.ru/i164/0904/14/5dc71a4aaf3d.jpg

http://s39.radikal.ru/i086/0904/7f/f6e6248a383c.jpg

http://s49.radikal.ru/i124/0904/09/dcf9a3051b25.jpg

http://i022.radikal.ru/0904/3b/7a5b0c126008.jpg

http://s53.radikal.ru/i141/0904/d9/744f79a1dbf8.jpg

http://s52.radikal.ru/i136/0904/70/a2a878a37c7e.jpg

http://s54.radikal.ru/i144/0904/a3/f540ae7eea7d.jpg

http://s46.radikal.ru/i112/0904/76/1208cdb3a69a.jpg

http://s39.radikal.ru/i085/0904/1f/7e5bc71b06cc.jpg

http://s45.radikal.ru/i109/0904/65/538bfd33fc6d.jpg

http://s51.radikal.ru/i131/0904/b1/a49ffaf91ebf.jpg

http://s54.radikal.ru/i146/0909/ed/22c13224341d.jpg

http://i076.radikal.ru/0909/56/7e1cb10dcd68.jpg

Daos
06-13-2010, 11:45 AM
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4014/4444922857_08ffdb96ec_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2750/4445699266_9f5ff5079f_o.jpg

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http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4060/4444923647_4fc7d87593_o.jpg

Daos
06-20-2010, 05:36 AM
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Daos
07-30-2010, 06:27 AM
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:naughty2:

Aramis
07-30-2010, 02:29 PM
I love you!

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4009/4445694314_006ca8c838_o.jpg

d3cimat3d
08-25-2010, 10:38 AM
Some Moldovans (didn't include the ones with Slavic sounding last names b/c they are Russians who came there during Soviet times):

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx70/MurderMaterial/f-1.jpg
http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx70/MurderMaterial/ee.jpg
http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx70/MurderMaterial/e-1.jpg
http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx70/MurderMaterial/cc.jpg
http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx70/MurderMaterial/c-2.jpg
http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx70/MurderMaterial/bb.jpg
http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx70/MurderMaterial/b-2.jpg
http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx70/MurderMaterial/aa.jpg
http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx70/MurderMaterial/a-2.jpg
http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx70/MurderMaterial/88-2.jpg
http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx70/MurderMaterial/77-2.jpg
http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx70/MurderMaterial/66-2.jpg
http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx70/MurderMaterial/55-2.jpg
http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx70/MurderMaterial/44-2.jpg
http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx70/MurderMaterial/33-2.jpg
http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx70/MurderMaterial/22-4.jpg
http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx70/MurderMaterial/11-4.jpg
http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx70/MurderMaterial/9-3.jpg
http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx70/MurderMaterial/8-5.jpg
http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx70/MurderMaterial/7-6.jpg
http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx70/MurderMaterial/5-5.jpg
http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx70/MurderMaterial/4-8.jpg
^Gagauz
http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx70/MurderMaterial/3-13.jpg
http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx70/MurderMaterial/2-10.jpg
http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx70/MurderMaterial/1-10.jpg

Daos
08-25-2010, 11:07 AM
http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx70/MurderMaterial/f-1.jpg

He reminds me of this guy:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/Testa_di_dace%2C_et%C3%A0_traianea%2C_inv._2293.JP G/276px-Testa_di_dace%2C_et%C3%A0_traianea%2C_inv._2293.JP G


http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx70/MurderMaterial/cc.jpg

He's a gypsy... I should know, I saw a few that look like him, including one of my brother's former class-mates.

Foxy
08-26-2010, 09:32 AM
But are these Romanians or Italians?
I live in Abruzzo (eastern Italy) and here we look ... identical!!! Lol!!!

Abruzzeses:

http://www.piazzarossetti.it/cmsystem/allegati/user_upload/6603_1.jpg
http://www.repubblica.it/2006/08/gallerie/gente/miss-italia-2007-2/esterne131434361309144017_big.jpg
http://www.scanno.org/images/gruppo_bari_costume_scanno_3.jpg
http://immagini.tipiace.it/gallery/calendario-francesca-cipriani-2007/medium_francesca-cipriani-dicembre-2007.jpg

Daos
08-26-2010, 10:00 AM
Some could pass as Romanians, most couldn't...

San Galgano
08-26-2010, 01:47 PM
But are these Romanians or Italians?
I live in Abruzzo (eastern Italy) and here we look ... identical!!! Lol!!!

Abruzzeses:



I don't know abruzzese people but romanians don't look at all like tuscans to make an example.

Foxy
08-26-2010, 09:59 PM
I don't know abruzzese people but they don't look at all like tuscans to make an example.

And how do they look?
I think the most similar to us are people from Marche.

Officialy my region is in the South East Europe, anyway

http://www.southeast-europe.net/imgs/map.png?1

I like her from Abruzzo:

Giulia Angelosante:
http://it.netlogstatic.com/p/oo/000/272/272259.jpg

San Galgano
08-26-2010, 10:06 PM
And how do they look?
I think the most similar to us are people from Marche.

Officialy my region is in the South East Europe, anyway

http://www.southeast-europe.net/imgs/map.png?1

I like her from Abruzzo:

Giulia Angelosante:
http://it.netlogstatic.com/p/oo/000/272/272259.jpg


I think north and central italians look a bit more western european, whereas romanians look a bit more east europeans(Of course ;)).
That's all. Probably the adriatic and dinarid influence brought some similar phenotypes in the east coast of Italy though.

Foxy
08-26-2010, 10:18 PM
I think north and central italians look a bit more western european, whereas romanians look a bit more east europeans(Of course ;)).
That's all. Probably the adriatic and dinarid influence brought some similar phenotypes in the east coast of Italy though.

Of course there is a influx:

I1b:

http://www.meteogelo.com/wp-content/uploads/i1b_large_rg.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Haplogroup_I.png/350px-Haplogroup_I.png
I2a:
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:vLO9Nhdts8ykJM:http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup_I2a.gif&t=1
http://thegeneticatlas.com/I2.png

San Galgano
08-26-2010, 10:37 PM
Of course there is a influx:

I1b:


The blonde or red haired Tuscans(and even of a large part of north and central Italy) have a completely different phenotype from romanian blondes to me.

Jovanotti is from Arezzo, low Tuscany to make an example, and he could pass unnoticed in Ireland, England, Germany and so on, but not in east Europe or between many of the blonde romanians of the pics:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_29wiFklIoDw/TA1ygVY6k7I/AAAAAAAAAaI/jHGJ1ppAowQ/s400/jovanotti.jpg

Same goes for this tuscan cyclist, Cipollini, who has a more western phenotype :

http://www.suipedali.it/wp-galleryo/cipollini-2009/_4minimario-cipollini1.jpg

Daos
10-29-2010, 02:33 PM
http://www.vacance-roumanie.com/romania_travel/recorrido_Rumania/turismo_rumania.jpg

http://fotomaramures.ro/d/19838-5/sapanta+procesiune.jpg

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http://www.romaniatourism.com/images/maramures/maramures-dinu-lazar1.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_HLNX78YGOYc/Sydj2-pA2sI/AAAAAAAABAY/0RdWYAfJL4A/s1600/pict04085.jpg

http://www.vacance-roumanie.com/romania_travel/accueil/turismo_rumania.JPG

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http://www.vacance-roumanie.com/romania_travel/viajes_maramures/viajes_maramures33m.jpg

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http://www.vacance-roumanie.com/romania_travel/accueil_index/rumania_viajes.jpg

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Mordid
10-30-2010, 11:06 AM
I think north and central italians look a bit more western european, whereas romanians look a bit more east europeans(Of course ;)).

I think North and Central Italians look more Central European, not Western European. :rolleyes:

Agrippa
10-30-2010, 11:20 AM
Good examples for pred. Pontid/Atlanto-Pontid/Mediterranid in Romania:

http://www.vacance-roumanie.com/romania_travel/viajes_maramures/viajes_maramures31m.jpg

http://www.vacance-roumanie.com/romania_travel/viajes_rumania_maramures/viajes_rumania19.JPG

The girl:
http://www.vacance-roumanie.com/romania_travel/viajes_maramures/viajes_maramures28m.jpg

aherne
11-02-2010, 05:38 AM
Be warned that people from Maramures region are in no way representative of Romanians as a whole:
- they have a lot of Slavic admixture (mostly from Russians who came there 600 years ago)
- they have lighter skin and greater frequency of blonds/blue eyed individuals (probably due to same Slavic admixture)
All in all, they look like Slovaks and Ruthenians more so than they look like Romanians. Brunet people are highly dominant among Romanians, even more so than among Italians.

Daos
11-02-2010, 08:35 AM
- they have a lot of Slavic admixture (mostly from Russians who came there 600 years ago)

Russians? I have no knowledge of that... Ruthenians, however, is a different story. A lot of Ruthenian colonists were brought in the region because they were easier to magyarise which should have lead to a Hungarian majority in the region and greater control of the region. Fortunately, the Hungarians got shafted because the Ruthenians, just like the Romanians, weren't a big fan of magyarisation and after the Great War voted to join Romania.:D

However, Slavic admixture is much older than that. I myself am of Slavo-Romanian ancestry (like many, if not most, Romanians), but it isn't visible.

Юbermensch
11-02-2010, 11:29 PM
The typical national features Romanians have are the eyebrow bone which is quite lowly positioned and makes their eyes look "sad". They also have long necks and small heads (especially compared to Bulgarians), relatively pointed noses and most Romanian women have quite long legs.

San Galgano
11-02-2010, 11:48 PM
I think North and Central Italians look more Central European, not Western European. :rolleyes:

Well, compared to eastern Europe the central and north Italians are more westerners of course.:rolleyes:

aherne
11-03-2010, 05:08 AM
Russians? I have no knowledge of that... Ruthenians, however, is a different story. A lot of Ruthenian colonists were brought in the region because they were easier to magyarise which should have lead to a Hungarian majority in the region and greater control of the region. Fortunately, the Hungarians got shafted because the Ruthenians, just like the Romanians, weren't a big fan of magyarisation and after the Great War voted to join Romania.:D

However, Slavic admixture is much older than that. I myself am of Slavo-Romanian ancestry (like many, if not most, Romanians), but it isn't visible.

Ruthenians (Ukrainians) are Russians, ethnic descendants of Kievan Rus. Russians in Maramures region came from Galitia starting with 600 years ago. Before that time, the region's population was overwhelmingly Romanian and probably no different in looks from other Romanians. Same is true for Bessarabians who mixed heavily with Russians throughout the last 200 years.

Of course, as you said, Slavic admixture among our people is much older. Our language itself is heavily influenced by Slavic. Phenotypically, however, the influence is rather small. Both types dominant among Slavs (Baltid and Aryan) are weakly represented among Romanians and usually denote foreign admixture.

My point was that a fair description of Romanians would be to show people with dark brown hair (90% of adults have dark brown hair) and brown eyes (85% have brown eyes) and skin tone intermediate between westerners and turks.

Daos
11-08-2010, 08:19 AM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3451/3842838946_27af33d111_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2729/4409473452_77909659d3_b.jpg

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http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs486.snc3/26604_1394960916702_1312574099_1810166_6092427_n.j pg

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Mordid
11-09-2010, 11:10 PM
East-Alpinid seem to be quite commong among Romanian people.

Guapo
11-09-2010, 11:32 PM
East-Alpinid seem to be quite commong among Romanian people.

Also north Pontid.

Wölfin
11-09-2010, 11:34 PM
^ Pontid. And I've a couple of extreme dinarids.

Mordid
11-09-2010, 11:36 PM
^ Pontid. And I've a couple of extreme dinarids.

And of course, Sudanid.

Mordid
11-09-2010, 11:37 PM
Also north Pontid.

Really ? I think North Pontid are more common in Ukraine, Russia and Poland.

Guapo
11-09-2010, 11:45 PM
Really ? I think North Pontid are more common in Ukraine, Russia and Poland.

You can pass as Romanian.

Mordid
11-10-2010, 12:21 AM
You can pass as Romanian.

Of course, mate. How common would you say North Pontid in Romania ?

Guapo
11-10-2010, 12:41 AM
Of course, mate. How common would you say North Pontid in Romania ?

As common as a whore with genital herpes.

Aviane
11-10-2010, 08:50 PM
Romanians definitely look no different from their Balkan neighbours but I could see some as Central or Eastern Europeans.

I've noticed also that alot are still darker haired but some of them can have lighter features even though most are more darker haired or eyed.

For skin tone it really seems to range alot with also some diverse phenotypes like Northern Pontid, Alpinid and Dinarid as examples.

By the way nice photoshoots so far.

Mordid
11-10-2010, 08:55 PM
Romanians definitely look no different from their Balkan neighbours but I could see some as Central or Eastern Europeans.

I've noticed also that alot are still darker haired but some of them can have lighter features even though most are more darker haired or eyed.

For skin tone it really seems to range alot with also some diverse phenotypes like Northern Pontid, Alpinid and Dinarid as examples.

By the way nice photoshoots so far.

I think North Pontid doesn't exit among Romanian people. :confused:

Aramis
11-10-2010, 09:04 PM
I think North Pontid doesn't exit among Romanian people. :confused:

I does exist among Romanians. Specific sub-races don't exclusively belong to one nation or another. You'll always find a balkanic looking German, a Swedish looking Spaniard etc.

Mordid
11-10-2010, 09:10 PM
I does exist among Romanians. Specific sub-races don't exclusively belong to one nation or another. You'll always find a balkanic looking German, a Swedish looking Spaniard etc.

I havn't seen any Romanian with dark Nordid (North Pontid) looks.

Aramis
11-10-2010, 10:30 PM
I havn't seen any Romanian with dark Nordid (North Pontid) looks.

There are about 22 million (or more) Romanians. How many of them have you seen?

Mordid
11-10-2010, 11:10 PM
There are about 22 million (or more) Romanians. How many of them have you seen?

None.

Aramis
11-10-2010, 11:48 PM
None.

What's this (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=295666&postcount=134) post of you supposed to mean then?

Pun intended?

aherne
11-11-2010, 07:03 AM
What's this (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=295666&postcount=134) post of you supposed to mean then?

Pun intended?

Here is the order of subracial types among Romanians, based on those I've seen:
1. Alpine (reduced cromagnid, of Paleolithic origin): mixed eyes, brown hair, light skin, rounded features (example: Traian Basescu)
3. Mediterrannean/Dinaric/Armenoid (of Neolithic origin): dark eyes, dark hair (though not jet black), darkish skin, in extreme cases overlapping with Middle Easterners. Among these Dinaric (example: Calin Popescu Tariceanu) is strongest, then Pontid (example: Andreea Marin), then East-Mediteranneans, then Armenoids.
4. Baltid (of Slavic origin) (example: Crin Antonescu): blond, blue eyes, rounded features, usually mixed with Nordid.
5. Nordid (of multiple sources, all from the same Aryan root)
6. Turanid (due to ancient Turkic admixture as well as with Hungarians, who themselves inherited this element by mixture with Turkic peoples)

Юbermensch
11-12-2010, 02:40 PM
Most Romanians are Pontid (North, South, whatever) Gorid.

Agrippa
11-13-2010, 01:24 PM
In my opinion, the base of the Romanian people is Dinarid and Eastalpinid, with the Carpathid variants in between and Pontid, Pontid being more common in the flat-fertile lands, Dinaro-Alpinoids in the mountainous areas, like elsewhere.

Obviously, other variants, especially Nordid and Osteuropid, exist too, but they are of secondary important in comparison but regionally.

Daos
02-09-2011, 09:50 AM
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs073.ash2/36995_1511438472266_1423507464_31347203_363215_n.j pg

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http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs222.snc4/38446_142881495724569_100000081586475_406484_43440 95_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs061.ash2/36397_103256356392152_100001233642637_19810_605402 8_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs035.snc3/12304_103768106334039_100001025512631_34865_183136 _n.jpg

Foxy
03-03-2011, 09:01 PM
Correct me if I have put someone who is not ethnically Romanian.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_UJKCv4z0YHY/TOPUn_lRS-

http://www.fcsteaua.ro/media/images/article_pictures/normal_size/cornel_emilian_rapa-2140495693.jpg

http://paf.teamtalk.com/Images/222286.jpg

http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/tamas.jpg?0.1271919259915142

http://storage0.dms.mpinteractiv.ro/media/2/961/12026/4720111/1/dragos-grigore.jpg?width=314

http://www.gazetanord-vest.ro/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Florin-Gardos.jpg

http://dinamovisti.gsp.ro/uploads/modules/news/15054/_MS_7363ianis_zicu.jpg

http://media.monitorulsv.ro/poze/2008/11/29/115625mare.jpg

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ4oJRe9hbL5M23wo240iPh3K1ExvlBv 112X_v04AKx4NgePqSCAg&t=1

Foxy
03-03-2011, 09:08 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_C7gPxf4vSIM/SyFq5FJP2nI/AAAAAAAAAF8/BDbzEnTIM58/s400/romIulian+Apostol.jpg

http://www.otelul-galati.ro/files/jucatori/iliesilviu_big.jpg

http://zing.ro/imagini/stirisportive/musat%20si%20predescu%20s-au%20inteles%20cu%20astra.-103608.jpg

aherne
03-04-2011, 06:54 AM
All are ethnic Romanian, so far. The blond side is overrepresented, though. Ianis Zicu is obviously distinct from the rest, because he's ethnically Aromanian.

Blossom
03-04-2011, 07:01 AM
http://dinamovisti.gsp.ro/uploads/modules/news/15054/_MS_7363ianis_zicu.jpg]

Isnt this dude...somehow not romanian? His name or his pigmentation...turanid or who knows, even somehow gypsie?

mymy
03-04-2011, 12:12 PM
Isnt this dude...somehow not romanian? His name or his pigmentation...turanid or who knows, even somehow gypsie?

To me he looks Turkish...

Foxy
03-04-2011, 12:38 PM
To put it bluntly: Romanians = Dacians + Roman colonists* + Slavs

*Roman colonists aren't necessarily Romans...

We also had Italian merchants and such around here, but I don't think they mingled with the peasants too much.:P

No but many slaves of the Romans were Thracians and Dacians, like Spartacus. Most slaves were Italics, Dacians, Thracians and Greeks with also Carthagianians and European Turks individuals. For the Romans people from Eastern Europe were Slavs and Slav and slave became synonimous. The ancient Roman word for slave was "servus", in Medieval Latin became "slavus" and "sclavus" (modern Italian "schiavo").


From what I've read the Dacians are part of the greater Thracian family, just like the Illyrians. That is the reason why I chose to write Thracian in the meta-ethnicity field. However wikipedia seems to list them as being completely separate... I must say I'm a bit confused.

Here are a few articles that reffer to the Dacians as Thracians: 1 (http://www.dacia.org/history/trdac_e.html), 2 (http://greek-gods.tripod.com/Thracians.htm), 3 (http://www.eliznik.org.uk/RomaniaHistory/dacia-thracian-getae.htm). And even the cover of a book that I will read after the exam session will be over: The Thracians of Transylvania.

http://dacica.ro/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/9moisin.jpg

Some peoples of Italy were Illyrian too:

Con il nome di Illiri si indica un insieme di popoli indoeuropei stanziati nell'antichitŕ nella parte nord-occidentale della penisola balcanica (Illiria e Pannonia), nei territori che attualmente fanno parte delle Repubbliche di Slovenia, Croazia, Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia, Albania, Italia (Puglia).


By the name Illyrians we indicate a group of Indo-European peoples that settled in the ancient time the North-Western part of the Balkanian peninsula (Illyria and Pannonia), in the territories that nowdays belomg to the Republics of Slovenja, Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia, Albania and Italy (Puglia).

Foxy
03-04-2011, 12:46 PM
http://i48.tinypic.com/34hfgg7.jpg



I'm sorry, who is this girl??

I have almost fell from the chair, but she looks like me :eek: Only the nose is a bit different.

mymy
03-04-2011, 01:17 PM
I'm sorry, who is this girl??

I have almost fell from the chair, but she looks like me :eek: Only the nose is a bit different.


Then you are pretty :)

I'm interested in this thread because on other forum I asked people to guess my origin and Romanian guy wrote me that he is sure I'm Romanian, probably from Transylvania :D But I'm still not sure in it... I still don't see it, but I can't be objective about my look. I guess I need opinion of other people...:confused:

Daos
03-04-2011, 05:05 PM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3343/3515660595_640f7d1ba8_o.jpg

I'm sorry, who is this girl??

No one in particular, they're a random couple from Bucovina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bukovina).

Peyrol
03-04-2011, 05:13 PM
romanian that lives in my city (Torino) have at 100% the same looks of all the people posted on this thread

aherne
03-04-2011, 05:48 PM
Isnt this dude...somehow not romanian? His name or his pigmentation...turanid or who knows, even somehow gypsie?

This is the Aromanian guy I've mentioned already. He looks out of place in this crowd, because he's not ethnic Romanian. Aromanians look more akin to Greeks and are noticeably darker skinned. They have very few light eyed people, no blonds and can easily pass as Turks.

aherne
03-04-2011, 06:06 PM
Here is a group of very typical Romanians from Oltenia Region. I think this picture includes all the common types among our people: Alpine, Pontid, Dinaric. My mother clearly stands because of her Aryan features. My father would stand out equally well, because he's Faelid, but in this picture his back is turned.

Daos
06-11-2011, 10:34 AM
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs470.ash2/74389_463629622210_613507210_5359720_7309049_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1204.snc4/155656_156567024387974_100001040311806_306865_7068 584_n.jpg

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/26551_1412571239328_1383932075_1127938_183307_n.jp g

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/25672_114451305239680_100000244321747_195998_64062 83_n.jpg

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/149115_106057312798610_100001830249668_52366_58921 38_n.jpg

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/31994_1311641950387_1210795857_30820529_3095262_n. jpg

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/31081_127005837315963_100000196435494_313286_59360 6_n.jpg

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/14345_101613389866902_100000547257911_43076_831525 4_n.jpg

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/215591_169232273135555_100001463494336_405134_3687 011_n.jpg

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/59183_148859235152945_100000866087784_213494_78648 99_n.jpg

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/253680_226742364002490_100000001856918_992643_4957 009_n.jpg

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/149151_1737816844141_1200217383_32032605_2990367_n .jpg

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/251085_173020766090429_100001475210977_448319_4157 676_n.jpg

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/155697_151043154941884_100001086009675_255117_2163 496_n.jpg

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/198159_187181734658698_100001006191120_457008_3245 734_n.jpg

aherne
06-12-2011, 05:48 AM
I confirm that the pictures posted by Daos represent Romanian women accurately. Slavic-derived types:
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/59183_148859235152945_100000866087784_213494_78648 99_n.jpg
^ Aryan + Baltid + Dinaric
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/253680_226742364002490_100000001856918_992643_4957 009_n.jpg
^ Baltid

Turkic-derived types:
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/155697_151043154941884_100001086009675_255117_2163 496_n.jpg
^ Alpine + Turanid

Daos
06-14-2011, 01:55 PM
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs085.snc4/35610_176012582429997_100000637691464_454559_13326 73_n.jpg

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/251268_227589437253497_100000073278250_994819_2426 217_n.jpg

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/28269_133203163365886_100000286106312_299942_36720 3_n.jpg

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/164109_1664996539051_1061394193_31827350_1283422_n .jpg

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/222736_10150190265738588_841598587_6893973_378684_ n.jpg

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/205643_207801362572622_100000282798847_757576_2716 835_n.jpg

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/64925_157374550962044_100000684994140_332080_66906 73_n.jpg

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/254868_168193579911283_100001619253496_444361_2335 202_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs912.snc4/72581_1398181764060_1517731781_30832210_3071514_n. jpg

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/217496_1663560545450_1130318816_31369488_3824055_n .jpg

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/216435_1663692268743_1130318816_31369706_2444112_n .jpg

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/207353_1663719549425_1130318816_31369754_6666622_n .jpg

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/215340_1663781550975_1130318816_31369858_6235020_n .jpg

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/216944_1663821191966_1130318816_31369885_7305440_n .jpg

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/221786_1663834632302_1130318816_31369889_5730130_n .jpg

aherne
06-15-2011, 05:08 AM
Notice that Romanians' phenotypes overlap with Bulgarians', only the distribution of elements within is different:
- Alpine: dominant among Romanians, strong among Bulgarians
- Dinaric: strong among Romanians, weak among Bulgarians
- Mediterannean: dominant among Bulgarians strong among Romanians. Pure Mediteranneans, believe me or not, are uncharacteristic for Romanians (they mostly occur with some Alpine admixture). Example of Romanian version of Mediterannean (with strong Alpine influences which makes her face very soft):
http://www.exclusivnews.ro/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/andreea_marin1.jpg
- Baltid: occurs more among Romanians than Bulgarians (even though Bulgarians are the actual Slavic speakers)
- Turanid: occurs only among Romanians
- Aryan: occurs more among Romanians than Bulgarians (but remains weak in both).

Peyrol
06-15-2011, 10:12 PM
I wonder if is remained a bit of the latin/med substrate from the Roman Era in some areas.

Daos
06-16-2011, 05:45 AM
I wonder if is remained a bit of the latin/med substrate from the Roman Era in some areas.

I think only extensive genetic testing could reveal anything, but I doubt there was any significant genetic input.

d3cimat3d
06-16-2011, 06:04 AM
I always wondered why Romanians never started speaking Slavic & how much of a impact Slavs had on Romanians. It's strange how Romania is so close to the Slavic homeland but Romanians still retained their language. Daos I see that you listed your ancestry as Dacian + Slavic.. Do you consider Slavs playing a important part in Romanian ethnogenesis?

aherne
06-16-2011, 07:41 AM
I always wondered why Romanians never started speaking Slavic & how much of a impact Slavs had on Romanians. It's strange how Romania is so close to the Slavic homeland but Romanians still retained their language. Daos I see that you listed your ancestry as Dacian + Slavic.. Do you consider Slavs playing a important part in Romanian ethnogenesis?

All Romanians (which means every single Romanian today) are primarily mixes of Dacian and Slavic (plus some other local elements). You will find Slavic looking people in every single Romanian village, that's how important Slavic influence is.

How Romanians managed to keep their language under Slavic rule for almost 1000 years (a dialect of Bulgarian was official language until 17th century) is truly a historical wonder. Judging by our language, they were at no point in danger of losing their identity (Slavic influence in our language is incomparably smaller than that of Chinese over Viet or even that of French over English).

Daos
06-16-2011, 08:08 AM
Daos I see that you listed your ancestry as Dacian + Slavic.. Do you consider Slavs playing a important part in Romanian ethnogenesis?

Yes, of course!

About 14% of the modern Romanian lexis and about a quarter of the words used daily are of Slavic origin, as well as the majority of toponyms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Romanians#Place_names_in_Romania). There are also influences on our language's phonetics, morphology and syntax. And all this after heavily importing neologisms from French and Italian during the 19th century. I think the Wikipedia article on the Slavic superstratum in Romanian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_superstratum_in_Romanian) is fairly revealing. Basically, without the Slavs, Romanian would not be what it is today.

Even our political institutions were influenced by Slavs (the cnezatdom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knyaz), the voievodeship (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voivode)) and most of the boyars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boyar) were of Slavic origin.

But when it comes to cultural influences, I really don't have any knowledge on the subject.

I think our Latin roots have been exaggerated while our Slavic roots have been largely ignored.

Mordid
06-16-2011, 08:17 AM
Yeah, you're acting like you're wannabe Slav or something

Daos
06-16-2011, 08:39 AM
Yeah, you're acting like you're wannabe Slav or something

Prostii! (http://dictionare.com/phpdic/roen40.php?field0=prostii) Prost (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/prost#Romanian) + -ie, from the Slavonic prostŭ.:laugh:

Or perhaps you would prefer:

Tâmpenii! (http://dictionare.com/phpdic/roen40.php?field0=t%E2mpenii) Tâmp + -enie, from the Slavonic tonpŭ.

Peyrol
06-16-2011, 09:46 AM
Yes, of course!

About 14% of the modern Romanian lexis and about a quarter of the words used daily are of Slavic origin, as well as the majority of toponyms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Romanians#Place_names_in_Romania). There are also influences on our language's phonetics, morphology and syntax. And all this after heavily importing neologisms from French and Italian during the 19th century. I think the Wikipedia article on the Slavic superstratum in Romanian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_superstratum_in_Romanian) is fairly revealing. Basically, without the Slavs, Romanian would not be what it is today.

Even our political institutions were influenced by Slavs (the cnezatdom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knyaz), the voievodeship (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voivode)) and most of the boyars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boyar) were of Slavic origin.

But when it comes to cultural influences, I really don't have any knowledge on the subject.

I think our Latin roots have been exaggerated while our Slavic roots have been largely ignored.

I could easily understand about 85% of written romanian.

Daos
06-16-2011, 10:40 AM
I could easily understand about 85% of written romanian.

I didn't say Romanian is not a Romance language, I said Romanians aren't descended from the Romans, at least not to the degree most people think.

aherne
06-16-2011, 02:32 PM
I could easily understand about 85% of written romanian.

You can understand official documents full to the brim with "stylish" french imports, but I bet you can't understand anything from spoken language:
A fost odata ca-n povesti
A fost ca niciodata,
Din rude mari împaratesti,
O prea frumoasa fata.
Slavic words in bold.

Hess
06-16-2011, 02:39 PM
Romanian girls are pretty

even the Turanid mixed ones :)

Daos
06-18-2011, 06:04 AM
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs526.snc3/29928_101006843278415_100001072985028_4983_5418017 _n.jpg

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/46017_142229569148907_100000855935359_201627_61520 17_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs046.snc6/167617_168139533228866_100000984611137_338732_8255 646_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs311.ash1/27727_102305233150062_100001117574490_18057_271274 9_n.jpg

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/155316_119825108081048_100001606782701_136996_7159 215_n.jpg

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/37576_141776509185158_100000584306612_319565_41442 82_n.jpg

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/59910_158257794187058_100000085141177_515200_11382 92_n.jpg

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/65714_177442332275543_100000293315479_531546_24090 38_n.jpg

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/32218_132226853455296_100000039477581_369308_18952 59_n.jpg

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/255106_1627701706243_1647591253_1193103_2721612_n. jpg

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/252875_219655181386303_100000254696493_818318_1644 125_n.jpg

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http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/72195_171737882838336_100000063767633_612516_43825 85_n.jpg

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/149887_173833479301004_100000230598806_484772_3214 496_n.jpg

Nurzat
06-18-2011, 08:09 PM
some southern romanians. pretty extreme looks

http://vimeo.com/25250800

Daos
06-20-2011, 07:01 AM
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/166117_159035530811313_100001146028107_312331_5829 568_n.jpg

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2072/166/122/1548013855/n1548013855_30143286_3754.jpg

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/199359_191998527505678_100000865951059_454531_4405 107_n.jpg

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/248872_230333366982888_100000186798293_1156902_597 8549_n.jpg

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/249363_232004300149294_100000191778011_1135918_818 814_n.jpg

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/23663_109762412369911_100000084584431_253467_20445 75_n.jpg

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/149731_413450929228_570039228_4620867_254736_n.jpg

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/65124_155207501180131_100000726477900_316930_41493 06_n.jpg

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/25561_115900018423148_100000094523396_280116_83842 59_n.jpg

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/249273_210983862268347_100000702057821_659226_4933 804_n.jpg

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/60966_118170594906910_100001419109095_121909_64066 87_n.jpg

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/61416_104386316291527_100001604774817_31677_490914 5_n.jpg

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/30500_1303226142434_1283893263_30714398_5381790_n. jpg

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/59188_152687824759069_100000535585742_370578_56244 95_n.jpg

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/168078_188150001203666_100000260027715_610280_1955 779_n.jpg

Mordid
06-20-2011, 06:01 PM
By looking at hawt Romanians chick, East Alpinid are domaint among them.

Agrippa
06-20-2011, 06:24 PM
Eastalpinid is No. 1, but Pontid and Dinarid is strong as well, Nordoid and Osteuropid present as well, with Nordoid being probably even stronger than Osteuropid proper.

aherne
06-21-2011, 07:36 AM
Eastalpinid is No. 1, but Pontid and Dinarid is strong as well, Nordoid and Osteuropid present as well, with Nordoid being probably even stronger than Osteuropid proper.

"Alpine" typology is dominant everywhere in Romania (I believe it's in absolute majority). Most people here have roundish faces and tend to be short and stout.

Bridie
06-21-2011, 07:49 AM
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/59188_152687824759069_100000535585742_370578_56244 95_n.jpg^


^ This woman looks German to me.

aherne
06-21-2011, 08:09 AM
"German" in the "modern" sense (when everyone that holds German citizenship is "German").

Daos
06-22-2011, 06:18 AM
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs077.snc6/168791_1666353473076_1664464948_32219261_3039694_n .jpg

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http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/40666_1573098084728_1153806048_1676843_3757688_n.j pg

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http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/165598_170120706362495_100000936997073_309615_3398 898_n.jpg

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http://www.eventscenter.ro/media/k2/items/cache/086218b2ac4369b7cefd2acbee0be8b1_XL.jpg

Daos
06-23-2011, 08:36 AM
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/59188_152687824759069_100000535585742_370578_56244 95_n.jpg^


^ This woman looks German to me.

Actually, her family name is Straciuc, so she most likely has some Ukrainian ancestry.

Agrippa
06-23-2011, 08:39 AM
Those from Cluj seem to look more Western on average at first glance in my opinion.

Daos
06-23-2011, 08:49 AM
Even the one on the left?:laugh:

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/26725_1296037838971_1171083569_30715309_2242785_n. jpg

Damned Huns, why couldn't they stay home?:tsk:

Lucretius
06-23-2011, 08:55 AM
Ramona Badescu (well known in Italy:laugh:)

http://www.music-boss.com/immagini/ramona_badescu_03.jpg

http://www.gossip.it/protagonisti/miss_strega_halloween/images/ramona_badescu_presenta_il_concorso_miss_strega_20 06_dd14.jpg

Daos
06-24-2011, 05:47 AM
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs335.ash2/61514_1642894519045_1437305961_2030521_4078158_n.j pg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1356.snc4/162797_1526017510379_1232895613_1225947_1255422_n. jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs612.snc4/59200_149642171725864_100000402469469_307223_35391 88_n.jpg

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http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs526.snc3/29928_101006843278415_100001072985028_4983_5418017 _n.jpg

The one on the left is actually from Târgu Mureș, not Satu Mare. Must have been a mix-up...

Daos
07-14-2011, 07:17 AM
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Matilda
07-14-2011, 09:38 AM
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/164030_10150359258285375_659940374_16560332_448395 9_n.jpg
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Sikeliot
07-14-2011, 06:49 PM
The interesting thing with Romanians is, some strike me as distinctly Eastern European, whereas others are more ambiguous in that they could fit in Western Europe as well.

Daos
12-16-2011, 04:41 PM
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/30306_1431728320892_1463408669_31113098_490369_n.j pg

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Mordid
12-16-2011, 04:44 PM
Do you happen to have these hawt chicks number?

Daos
12-16-2011, 05:13 PM
Do you happen to have these hawt chicks number?

I wouldn't be wasting my time on a forum if I did...;)

Daos
01-15-2012, 07:41 AM
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Unurautare
01-15-2012, 08:16 AM
The interesting thing with Romanians is, some strike me as distinctly Eastern European, whereas others are more ambiguous in that they could fit in Western Europe as well.

Different types that make up the Romanian people as a whole,though the Slavic types should never-ever be considered ethnic Romanians,even if they are "culturally" here for hundreds of years or less.

Daos
01-15-2012, 08:42 AM
Different types that make up the Romanian people as a whole,though the Slavic types should never-ever be considered ethnic Romanians,even if they are "culturally" here for hundreds of years or less.

What?!:mmmm:

It seems to me you're having a hard time accepting that Slavs are an important part of the Romanian ethnogenesis... which is rather ironic since you're a Moldavian, no less.:laugh:

The Slavic types are clearly not native, but Pontids aren't native either - they came from the East, granted that it was in pre-Dacian times - do you also consider them foreign? Or are they acceptable because their pigmentation resembles ours? Or maybe because they're an important type in Moldova? ;)

Unurautare
01-15-2012, 08:49 AM
What?!:mmmm:

It seems to me you're having a hard time accepting that Slavs are an important part of the Romanian ethnogenesis... which is rather ironic since you're a Moldavian, no less.:laugh:

The Slavic types are clearly not native, but Pontids aren't native either - they came from the East, granted that it was in pre-Dacian times - do you also consider them foreign? Or are they acceptable because their pigmentation resembles ours? Or maybe because they're an important type in Moldova? ;)

Bah,Bulgarians are important because of historic circumstances,not "Slavs". ;) Slavs and their descendant act...very non-Romanian,as a Moldavian(more Slavic types around) I know this better than you,Caer',who's from a country with even more Slavic types, would also confirm if we wasn't banned. -_-

Sagitta Hungarica
01-15-2012, 08:59 AM
Steaua Bucuresti
http://www.steauafc.com/img/players/portrete/b_01_stanca_2011.jpg
http://www.steauafc.com/img/players/portrete/b_02_matei_2011.jpg
http://www.steauafc.com/img/players/portrete/b_06_gardos_2011.jpg
http://www.steauafc.com/img/players/portrete/b_07_costea_2011.jpg
http://www.steauafc.com/img/players/portrete/b_08_radut_2011.jpg
http://www.steauafc.com/img/players/portrete/b_09_costea_2011.jpg
http://www.steauafc.com/img/players/portrete/b_10_tanase_2011.jpg
http://www.steauafc.com/img/players/portrete/b_11_prepelita_2011.jpg
http://www.steauafc.com/img/players/portrete/b_12_tatarusanu_2011.jpg
http://www.steauafc.com/img/players/portrete/b_19_lupu_2011.jpg
http://www.steauafc.com/img/players/portrete/b_22_galamaz_2011.jpg
http://www.steauafc.com/img/players/portrete/b_24_rusescu_2011.jpg
http://www.steauafc.com/img/players/portrete/b_26_bicfalvi_2011.jpg
http://www.steauafc.com/img/players/portrete/b_27_nastasie_2011.jpg
http://www.steauafc.com/img/players/portrete/b_28_rosu_2011.jpg

Sagitta Hungarica
01-15-2012, 09:10 AM
Steaua Bucuresti (continuation)
http://www.steauafc.com/img/players/portrete/b_47_popa_2011.jpg
http://www.steauafc.com/img/players/portrete/b_55_bourceanu_2011.jpg
http://www.steauafc.com/img/players/portrete/b_95_cojocaru_2011.jpg

Otelul Galati
http://www.otelul-galati.ro/source/images/jucatori/poze/hksyMi1SRP.jpg
http://www.otelul-galati.ro/source/images/jucatori/poze/03iqdAYXjW.jpg
http://www.otelul-galati.ro/source/images/jucatori/poze/YepJE2nf9a.jpg
http://www.otelul-galati.ro/source/images/jucatori/poze/EO4YMyHEbp.jpg
http://www.otelul-galati.ro/source/images/jucatori/poze/wfPW8ciP9h.jpg
http://www.otelul-galati.ro/source/images/jucatori/poze/iN6G0XRl8o.jpg
http://www.otelul-galati.ro/source/images/jucatori/poze/S9oMVi3pc4.jpg
http://www.otelul-galati.ro/source/images/jucatori/poze/P1sZ4QFkVI.jpg
http://www.otelul-galati.ro/source/images/jucatori/poze/ch2aQIh6zE.jpg
http://www.otelul-galati.ro/source/images/jucatori/poze/iEFPy1cvOH.jpg
http://www.otelul-galati.ro/source/images/jucatori/poze/W4STtqWsbd.jpg
http://www.otelul-galati.ro/source/images/jucatori/poze/Fft8BSDkIr.jpg

Mordid
01-15-2012, 09:12 AM
Pred. East Alpinids, EastEuropid is mostly Baltid proper:
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/32218_132226853455296_100000039477581_369308_18952 59_n.jpg
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/225924_10150561701585403_877770402_18362202_433743 0_n.jpg
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/222580_171927002861100_100001314046017_384754_4136 690_n.jpg

Tell you what, they remind me of Slovaks. Do you think Slovaks and Romanians look similar to each other?

Unurautare
01-15-2012, 09:13 AM
http://www.steauafc.com/img/players/portrete/b_12_tatarusanu_2011.jpg


Always found that guy's phenotype interesting,he was born in Bucharest and his name is Tătăruşanu(makes me think of tatar but I'm not sure what kind of name is it). I think he could pass for a Scandinavian,maybe?
This guy,from Suceava,certainly could:

http://www.prelungiri.ro/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/lucian-goian.jpg

http://media.realitatea.ro/multimedia/image/200901/w460/image_123341430438433600_1.gif

Daos
01-15-2012, 09:14 AM
Bah,Bulgarians are important because of historic circumstances,not "Slavs". ;)


And indeed, while Dacia was part of the Roman Empire for less than 2 centuries, various Slavic tribes crossed, ruled and settled the former Roman province from the 6th to the 12th century. Their presence was even stronger in Moldova and Bessarabia, where in the 16th century Rusyn-speaking Slavs made up at least a third of the population. The Moldavian principality was thus referred to as Русовлахия (i.e. Russo-Vlahia). It is interesting to note that even though the Slavs migrated from the north, they were assimilated immediately north of the lower Danube. At the same time, they almost completely subsumed the Romanized population (the Vlachs) immediately south of Danube.

The irony of an anti-Slavic Moldavian is unbearable!:rofl:


Slavs and their descendant act...very non-Romanian

You do realise this can be interpreted as a good thing, right?;) Also, I might add that I don't think there is a single Romanian without at least some Slavic ancestry...


Tell you what, they remind me of Slovaks. Do you think Slovaks and Romanians look similar to each other?

The girls are from Satu Mare, Cluj and Bistrița. There were Slovak settlements in Maramureș, Crișana and Banat areas, and I know of a village called Tăuți (Slovaks) in Cluj, so there might actually be some Slovak ancestry. Here's a map for reference:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/TeritoriiRomanesti.png

As a Northern Transylvanian I feel rather close to the Slovaks, not only because there were Slovak villages in my area (until they were assimilated by Romanians or Hungarians), but also because we have a similar history, at least the part with the Hungarian oppression. :P And then there's Moravian Wallachia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moravian_Wallachia)...

Sagitta Hungarica
01-15-2012, 09:18 AM
Otelul Galati (continuation)
http://www.otelul-galati.ro/source/images/jucatori/poze/3xAlNAt4vD.jpg
http://www.otelul-galati.ro/source/images/jucatori/poze/U98uHzVDJX.jpg
http://www.otelul-galati.ro/source/images/jucatori/poze/OZ1ZBR5VZy.jpg
http://www.otelul-galati.ro/source/images/jucatori/poze/ML8BfOEvxW.jpg
http://www.otelul-galati.ro/source/images/jucatori/poze/4pBbJbbEvi.jpg

Oltchim Ramnicu Valcea (handball)
http://www.cs-oltchim.com/images/jucatoare/tn_c350230d6afcd6ee63c25e0b07f9af2f.jpg
http://www.cs-oltchim.com/images/jucatoare/tn_f45282e3e9d8119aeb955ce26b28c37d.jpg
http://www.cs-oltchim.com/images/jucatoare/tn_b3feae664f86a181673f581e5ca542f4.jpg
http://www.cs-oltchim.com/images/jucatoare/tn_b063fe290c7acf5f67562a8eea78a660.jpg
http://www.cs-oltchim.com/images/jucatoare/tn_e307762673c10d0afa9707e67bd198ed.jpg
http://www.cs-oltchim.com/images/jucatoare/tn_b53297d82ef4cd9ae8a25ebfb2e6a82b.jpg
http://www.cs-oltchim.com/images/jucatoare/tn_8757240853a019283c445c2d40bec6f5.jpg
http://www.cs-oltchim.com/images/jucatoare/tn_2bdc4c4c89d44b52f4e2ab43738b3023.jpg
http://www.cs-oltchim.com/images/jucatoare/tn_4daa7147a7e1f7091f0a755b5161bb8e.jpg

Unurautare
01-15-2012, 09:19 AM
The irony of an anti-Slavic Moldavian is unbearable!:rofl:

You have some butthurt,not me. :thumb001:




You do realise this can be interpreted as a good thing, right?;)

Not a good thing,at all. :| But I always assumed you not being ethnic Romanian
so yeah,to you Hungarians are awesome and Germans are to be obeyed...:rolleyes: yes?


Also, I might add that I don't think there is a single Romanian without at least some Slavic ancestry...

There are Romanians with Slavic ancestry but most of them don't look it and don't act on their Slavic ancestry or they wouldn't be Romanians. :)

Mordid
01-15-2012, 09:20 AM
There is no way that this guy is an ethnic Romanian, probably Gypsy:
http://www.otelul-galati.ro/source/images/jucatori/poze/ML8BfOEvxW.jpg

Sagitta Hungarica
01-15-2012, 09:22 AM
Oltchim Ramnicu Valcea (continuation)
http://www.cs-oltchim.com/images/jucatoare/tn_4eba727e2314bab8297201684742cd32.jpg
http://www.cs-oltchim.com/images/jucatoare/tn_55d924ed069427edf0dbdcd33032d484.jpg
http://www.cs-oltchim.com/images/jucatoare/tn_b29dac91f6e1d576b0d8831640bc2da8.jpg
http://www.cs-oltchim.com/images/jucatoare/tn_86dbdfabcdb8f5908c060cd3eb6c4c30.jpg
http://www.cs-oltchim.com/images/jucatoare/tn_e5bfc23da169189de2ba91c396adeb4f.jpg
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Sagitta Hungarica
01-15-2012, 09:26 AM
Always found that guy's phenotype interesting,he was born in Bucharest and his name is Tătăruşanu(makes me think of tatar but I'm not sure what kind of name is it). I think he could pass for a Scandinavian,maybe?
This guy,from Suceava,certainly could:

http://www.prelungiri.ro/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/lucian-goian.jpg

http://media.realitatea.ro/multimedia/image/200901/w460/image_123341430438433600_1.gif

Don't be ridiculous, they don't look remotely Scandinavian, but are clearly Central European types, mainly combination between Noric and Danubian. They can pass for Croatian, Hungarian, Slovenian, Czech.

Unurautare
01-15-2012, 09:29 AM
Don't be ridiculous, they don't look remotely Scandinavian, but are clearly Central European types, mainly combination between Noric and Danubian. They can pass for Croatian, Hungarian, Slovenian, Czech.

I heard that guy can pass for Tronder,I was waiting for a reply from a Scandinavian though,maybe Pallatindes or another Norwegian.

Here's another pic: http://www.emaramures.ro/UserFiles/Image/Sport/lucian%20goian.jpg

Daos
01-15-2012, 09:47 AM
You have some butthurt,not me. :thumb001:

Why do you think I'm butthurt?:confused:


Not a good thing,at all. :|

The first step towards correcting a fault is to acknowledge it.:thumb001:


But I always assumed you not being ethnic Romanian
so yeah,to you Hungarians are awesome and Germans are to be obeyed...:rolleyes: yes?

Well, according to you, people with Slavic ancestry aren't Romanian, therefore I am not Romanian, but neither are you, I'm sure.;) And I think Hungarians are nice (until they start the whole Erdély business :rolleyes:) and Germans are even nicer, but it depends on the person really.:)


There are Romanians with Slavic ancestry but most of them don't look it and don't act on their Slavic ancestry or they wouldn't be Romanians. :)

Level of confusion: 101.:confused:

Unurautare
01-15-2012, 10:12 AM
Why do you think I'm butthurt?:confused:

If you're not then stop mocking my posts about Slavs with one liners.



The first step towards correcting a fault is to acknowledge it.:thumb001:

You can think what you want about them,I'm only saying the facts,non-ignorant Romanians wouldn't want to live amongst them or with them,same would go for the other Non-slavs(just compare the situations where Slavs and Non-Slavs live in close proximity all over Europe).


Well, according to you, people with Slavic ancestry aren't Romanian, therefore I am not Romanian, but neither are you, I'm sure.;) And I think Hungarians are nice (until they start the whole Erdély business :rolleyes:) and Germans are even nicer, but it depends on the person really.:)

I said "Slavic types are not Romanian",not about those with Slavic ancestry,just that how many would actually mix with Slavs? that's the question. :D About you: There is nothing wrong with "nice Hungarians and Germans" but you're overdoing it,and that separatism-card is such a lol,tell me how many Romanians are actually into that?


Level of confusion: 101.:confused:

If you don't know the situation check it out yourself.

Daos
01-15-2012, 10:37 AM
If you're not then stop mocking my posts about Slavs with one liners.

Then start making sense!


I said "Slavic types are not Romanian",not about those with Slavic ancestry,just that how many would actually mix with Slavs? that's the question. :D

Yes, but if Slavic types aren't Romanian, then anyone descended from one (no matter what phenotype) would also not be Romanian. And as for mixing... everybody did and I'm fairly sure that, given the right conditions, most would mix with Slavs today as well - except you, of course! That is why you can find Slavic phenotypes pretty much anywhere in Romania and not concentrated in certain villages or towns.


About you: There is nothing wrong with "nice Hungarians and Germans" but you're overdoing it,and that separatism-card is such a lol,tell me how many Romanians are actually into that?

The number is quickly growing, I assure you!:thumb001: People are so fed up with Bucharest some even went as far as saying they regret we split from Hungary...


If you don't know the situation check it out yourself.

Next time I'll see someone with a Slavic phenotype I'll ask him if he acts on his Slavic ancestry...:rolleyes:

Unurautare
01-15-2012, 10:49 AM
Then start making sense!

Start reading again if you don't understand,it's obvious what I said.




Yes, but if Slavic types aren't Romanian, then anyone descended from one (no matter what phenotype) would also not be Romanian. And as for mixing... everybody did and I'm fairly sure that, given the right conditions, most would mix with Slavs today as well - except you, of course! That is why you can find Slavic phenotypes pretty much anywhere in Romania and not concentrated in certain villages or towns.

Why aren't we a Slavic nation if there are so many Slavs? Answer that before asking dumb questions and draw dumb conclusions.




The number is quickly growing, I assure you!:thumb001: People are so fed up with Bucharest some even went as far as saying they regret we split from Hungary...

And all of them are not Romanians but bozgors(I view it as a general term,including minorities,not one in specific),that voted for the bozgors and the other non-Romanians that currently rule over Romania. Or do you want me to remind you again where Boc is from and what is the area that voted for Basescu? Ever since post-WW1,except for the communist period, these "rulers" have been trying to Westernize Romania via Transylvania and Transylvanians,the result is what you see today,and there are more people bitching about how communist times were better, than your minority of bozgor separatists bitching about "Bucharest"(in fact they should be bitching about the non-Romanians that rule Romania),though the reasons are the same,Westernization and non-Romanians at the top => FAIL.




Next time I'll see someone with a Slavic phenotype I'll ask him if he acts on his Slavic ancestry...:rolleyes:

Sure. :rolleyes: At least some people are honest about their origins and their feelings(more common amongst the Hungarians),while most of the other minorities,like you,butthurt with wanting to be Romanians. ;)

Daos
01-15-2012, 12:04 PM
Why aren't we a Slavic nation if there are so many Slavs? Answer that before asking dumb questions and draw dumb conclusions.

Romanians outnumbered and thus assimilated the Slavs, but that doesn't mean the Slavic phenotypes disappeared.


And all of them are not Romanians but bozgors(I view it as a general term,including minorities,not one in specific),that voted for the bozgors and the other non-Romanians that currently rule over Romania.

Yes, because anyone that disagrees with you is not a Romanian and is anti-Romanian! Sounds familiar?;)


Or do you want me to remind you again where Boc is from and what is the area that voted for Basescu? Ever since post-WW1,except for the communist period, these "rulers" have been trying to Westernize Romania via Transylvania and Transylvanians,the result is what you see today,and there are more people bitching about how communist times were better, than your minority of bozgor separatists bitching about "Bucharest"(in fact they should be bitching about the non-Romanians that rule Romania),though the reasons are the same,Westernization and non-Romanians at the top => FAIL.

Yes, you are absolutely right! And I think Transylvania should secede from Romania in order to spare the rest of this beautiful land further misery.:rolleyes:

A word of advice: try to distance yourself from your emotions while writing, because you are incomprehensible when you rant.;)

Mordid
01-15-2012, 12:05 PM
Ok, enough of chit-chat. Let's prove more pictures of Romanian chicks, please

Daos
01-15-2012, 12:14 PM
Ok, enough of chit-chat. Let's prove more pictures of Romanian chicks, please

Sure thing!

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/34063_135008713186206_100000312345978_256320_48144 23_n.jpg

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Unu, don't look because there are Slavic types amongst them!

Mordid
01-15-2012, 12:20 PM
:icon_cool:Lovely...

Unurautare
01-15-2012, 12:32 PM
Romanians outnumbered and thus assimilated the Slavs, but that doesn't mean the Slavic phenotypes disappeared.

The Slavs are still here,same as the Hungarians and the other minorities,if the Slavs in Transylvania and Pannonia were assimilated maybe ask the Hungarians about it. :D


Yes, because anyone that disagrees with you is not a Romanian and is anti-Romanian! Sounds familiar?;)

Judeus had a good attitude about his people(how he chose to show it is his own business). :) You on the other hand,just pretend to be Romanian,while you're some minority with alien ideas(first and foremost),that a-licks foreigners and talks shit about the nation he inhabits and the Romanians.


Yes, you are absolutely right! And I think Transylvania should secede from Romania in order to spare the rest of this beautiful land further misery.:rolleyes:

I prefer the non-occupied parts of Romania tbh,the people from your part don't take care of your part properly,so many cut down forests near the cities and cracked churches...ehh,visit my county(Neamţ) and compare.


A word of advice: try to distance yourself from your emotions while writing, because you are incomprehensible when you rant.;)

Try to read,and not skip-read then bitch that you didn't understand,it helps.

Daos
02-07-2012, 05:29 PM
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Aviane
02-07-2012, 06:05 PM
Romanians look like their neighbours the Balkanians.

Romanians though could really make honourable Eastern Europeans.

Daos
02-18-2012, 10:12 AM
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Padre Organtino
02-18-2012, 10:19 AM
Romanians look like a transition from Balkan Slavs to North-Eastern Ones while not being Slavs at all:D

Daos
02-28-2012, 01:14 PM
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Trun
02-28-2012, 01:16 PM
Romanians look like a transition from Balkan Slavs to North-Eastern Ones while not being Slavs at all:D

Actually, Romanians resemble Bulgarians, Albanians and Greeks most.

Geronimo
02-28-2012, 01:38 PM
Actually, Romanians resemble Bulgarians, Albanians and Greeks most.

Actually romanians resemlbe gypo-niggas' the most, cut the crap. You want to tell me that romanians look more like greeks, sicilians and cypriots than serbs, hungarians and ukrainians ? :)

Its only natural that romanians are a transition population between balkanites and easterners.

sandro
02-28-2012, 03:58 PM
like,like romanians.

Daos
03-16-2012, 01:35 PM
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Daos
03-24-2012, 08:01 AM
You can find pictures of random people on the streets of various cities here (http://www.facebook.com/Cotropitor/photos).

Persoana
04-30-2012, 07:13 PM
Cool pics. What I like about these areas Daos is posting is their rustic folklory look and colorful traditional costumes. However, that being said, I will admit that he's focusing a bit too much on these far northern areas next to Ukraine that really aren't that representative of Romanians as a whole (as has been noted already by several people, like aherne). These areas were known to have historically had much more Slavic (genetic) influence than other parts of the country. There's a lot of "spillover" from Ukraine as well. I understand since he's from there he wants to show what people most familiar to him look like, and that's perfectly fine, but the result is a bit biased overall and these lighter featured, more northeastern, Baltid/Osteuropid influenced types are overrepresented somewhat in here, as more than 2/3 of Romanians don't look that much like them and we all know that. In fact these types in their pure form are quite rare among real ethnic Romanians. I see Northern Romania as sort of a transitional point between the types to the south and ones to the north, where a blending of two major spheres of influence comes together. I'm just saying the ones that look more familiar to me have much more in common with countries to the south and west, but there is much variation and diversity in the country compared to many neighboring ones, which I think makes it all the more interesting.

I understand the desire of many nations here to try to "Nordicize" their people, but it's not always accurate. Not that I'm denying Romanians have plenty of Slavic background in all areas, but maybe not as much as this thread seems to be showing, and the main basis for the people is still the Dacian core, perhaps slightly influenced a bit in antiquity by colonists from around the empire and Mediterranean, and later of course other groups added their small parts, like Goths, Gepids, Huns, Avars, Slavs, Magyars in some parts like Transylvania, maybe a few Bulgarians in some areas like Dobroja, some migratory Cumans and Pechenegs that settled down and weren't killed, etc.

If you really want to see more "authentic" Romanian types (of the more Balkanic Thracian/Dacian types, where Dinarids, Alpines, and Pontids are much more prevalent) look in the southern Carpathian arc and southern Transylvania, Oltenia, Banat, parts of Muntenia maybe. The southeastern areas were more of the "core" of where the people formed and spread out from, and northern or eastern areas like Maramures, Bukovina, and Moldova were actually later "additions" to the Romanian nation, and sphere of influence, the latter only being settled by people from Maramures in the 13th century or so and not the direct result of Latinization in antiquity. There were already probably east Slavic type peoples occupying these areas when the old original Vlachs (Romanized natives) expanded into them and mixed with them. In addition, Ukrainians also moved into the Maramures region more recently in recorded history as well, adding to that impression. People from these regions even cluster more with neighbors to the north, like Hutsuls and such than southern Romanians. I even think people from Maramures look more East Slavic than some Moldovans even, who tend to have more Pontic Med background. Even looking at an R1a map shows the most concentrated areas in the country are clearly along the northern border, which makes sense, and it overall as a country it differs fairly strongly from the countries to the north.

Also, I don't think East Alpine/Gorid is the single most common anthropological type as some have said. I think Dinarids may be the most common, especially in western areas, followed closely by Pontids and Alpines, though the first two are often Alpine influenced. Also, not all Alpines are necessarily Gorid/EastAlpine either, but many are. Some in Transylvania have more of a "westernish" or "central" look as some people have noted earlier, and Wallachia in the south (Oltenia and Muntenia) have more of that typical Balkan look. I may post some pics later, but just wanted to point some things out.

aherne
05-01-2012, 04:06 AM
Cool pics. What I like about these areas Daos is posting is their rustic folklory look and colorful traditional costumes. However, that being said, I will admit that he's focusing a bit too much on these far northern areas next to Ukraine that really aren't that representative of Romanians as a whole (as has been noted already by several people, like aherne). These areas were known to have historically had much more Slavic (genetic) influence than other parts of the country. There's a lot of "spillover" from Ukraine as well. I understand since he's from there he wants to show what people most familiar to him look like, and that's perfectly fine, but the result is a bit biased overall and these lighter featured, more northeastern, Baltid/Osteuropid influenced types are overrepresented somewhat in here, as more than 2/3 of Romanians don't look that much like them and we all know that. In fact these types in their pure form are quite rare among real ethnic Romanians. I see Northern Romania as sort of a transitional point between the types to the south and ones to the north, where a blending of two major spheres of influence comes together. I'm just saying the ones that look more familiar to me have much more in common with countries to the south and west, but there is much variation and diversity in the country compared to many neighboring ones, which I think makes it all the more interesting.

I understand the desire of many nations here to try to "Nordicize" their people, but it's not always accurate. Not that I'm denying Romanians have plenty of Slavic background in all areas, but maybe not as much as this thread seems to be showing, and the main basis for the people is still the Dacian core, perhaps slightly influenced a bit in antiquity by colonists from around the empire and Mediterranean, and later of course other groups added their small parts, like Goths, Gepids, Huns, Avars, Slavs, Magyars in some parts like Transylvania, maybe a few Bulgarians in some areas like Dobroja, some migratory Cumans and Pechenegs that settled down and weren't killed, etc.

If you really want to see more "authentic" Romanian types (of the more Balkanic Thracian/Dacian types, where Dinarids, Alpines, and Pontids are much more prevalent) look in the southern Carpathian arc and southern Transylvania, Oltenia, Banat, parts of Muntenia maybe. The southeastern areas were more of the "core" of where the people formed and spread out from, and northern or eastern areas like Maramures, Bukovina, and Moldova were actually later "additions" to the Romanian nation, and sphere of influence, the latter only being settled by people from Maramures in the 13th century or so and not the direct result of Latinization in antiquity. There were already probably east Slavic type peoples occupying these areas when the old original Vlachs (Romanized natives) expanded into them and mixed with them. In addition, Ukrainians also moved into the Maramures region more recently in recorded history as well, adding to that impression. People from these regions even cluster more with neighbors to the north, like Hutsuls and such than southern Romanians. I even think people from Maramures look more East Slavic than some Moldovans even, who tend to have more Pontic Med background. Even looking at an R1a map shows the most concentrated areas in the country are clearly along the northern border, which makes sense, and it overall as a country it differs fairly strongly from the countries to the north.

Also, I don't think East Alpine/Gorid is the single most common anthropological type as some have said. I think Dinarids may be the most common, especially in western areas, followed closely by Pontids and Alpines, though the first two are often Alpine influenced. Also, not all Alpines are necessarily Gorid/EastAlpine either, but many are. Some in Transylvania have more of a "westernish" or "central" look as some people have noted earlier, and Wallachia in the south (Oltenia and Muntenia) have more of that typical Balkan look. I may post some pics later, but just wanted to point some things out.

You are right. Around 8/10 of Romanians show no Slavic influence and even those that show it very rarely have a pure-Slavic phenotype (pure Baltid / East Nordid). All Romanians have Slavic blood, probably in greater proportions than Southern Slavs, but it's still not the core of their nation. The core of their nation are the Thracians, hence the similarity with Bulgarians and Albanians (although latter are more like Thracian-Illyrian intermediates). The Slavic element also has a regional dimension: it's weakest in Muntenia and strongest in Eastern Moldavia (Republic of Moldova), due to additional recent Russian admixture. Regardless of region, in every single village where Romanians are present, Slavic element is in minority compared to Thracian.

Persoana
05-01-2012, 05:59 PM
I agree. I guess most people in that part of the world have some Slav background somewhere down the line, but it's not always noticeable. Heck even parts of northern Greece supposedly got some. As for the Balkans, I've noticed there are pockets of people in areas who look quite "Slavic" found among others that are not so much, so it's an interesting blend. Though the average person without knowledge of anthropology and such isn't going to notice differences as much probably. I'd say the proportions of these between Romania (especially the southern parts) and some other countries to the south are fairly similar, but since we have a considerably larger population than all of them, we have a higher number as well, and the proportion may be skewed by these northern areas we were talking about earlier. With a few exceptions, there is a gradual gradient as you go further north I think though. Croatia and Slovenia though I think even have a higher proportion of that overall genetically. But I think they're some of the best looking Balkanites personally. Also, since history is pretty unclear in these areas of Europe, we don't know exactly what ancient populations looked like so there's a lot of speculation. I like how the various multiple layers of people and languages that have passed through this part of the world helped to make these nations the diverse range of people they are today in kind of a melting pot, with rich culture and histories.

By the way though, this is a bit off topic, but you really think Turanid types are essentially non existent in Bulgaria as you said earlier in this thread? I have seen a few people with those influences actually. Now whether they had anything to do with ancient, possibly "Turkic" Bulgars or were simply part of a relatively recently integrated Tatar community, I don't know, but I wouldn't say it's totally negligible. Still it's not an important part at all, anyway, as anthropologists like Coon have noted.

dralos
05-01-2012, 06:23 PM
aherne after seeing this thread i dont think you guys look like us,you look very eastern europeans while we dont

zlakopistou
05-01-2012, 06:53 PM
A lot of familiar faces! :)

Incal
05-01-2012, 09:52 PM
A question, I am a huge fan of Sandra Romain and Jasmine Black. Do they fit into romanian diversity or they are mixed with gypsy or something?

http://i2.listal.com/image/2208833/936full-sandra-romain.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg183/Incal_x/jasmine_black-006.jpg

aherne
05-02-2012, 04:56 AM
aherne after seeing this thread i dont think you guys look like us,you look very eastern europeans while we dont

Because the samples are from Northern Romania and cherry picked to show lighter elements, who more often than not look Slavic. In addition of that, Romanians are much more mixed than Albanians. When I see pictures of Kosovo Albanians I recognize the core of a stereotypical Romanian face, but it's no longer anywhere near as common as in Albanians. I'm sure this guy (steppe type with balkan infusions) looks very Albanian in your eyes, but in our eyes he could not be more Romanian:
http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/goian.jpg?0.5792310759592029
Same for this guy:
http://hermanvlad.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/mutu-briliantu.jpg

PetiteParisienne
05-02-2012, 05:09 AM
My great-great grandparents with their children. The woman standing on the ground, far left, is my great-grandmother. This photo was taken in Romania circa 1900.

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f220/stonedeurydice/Restorations/190651_510811758374_139300484_30325405_1902209_n.j pg

PetiteParisienne
05-02-2012, 05:09 AM
My great-great grandparents with their children. The woman standing on the ground, far left, is my great-grandmother. This photo was taken in Romania circa 1900.

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f220/stonedeurydice/Restorations/190651_510811758374_139300484_30325405_1902209_n.j pg

Daos
05-02-2012, 05:10 AM
Instead of whining that only Transylvanians are being represented or that I cherry-picked lighter elements (:rolleyes:), why don't you post people from your areas?;)

dralos
05-02-2012, 12:22 PM
Because the samples are from Northern Romania and cherry picked to show lighter elements, who more often than not look Slavic. In addition of that, Romanians are much more mixed than Albanians. When I see pictures of Kosovo Albanians I recognize the core of a stereotypical Romanian face, but it's no longer anywhere near as common as in Albanians. I'm sure this guy (steppe type with balkan infusions) looks very Albanian in your eyes, but in our eyes he could not be more Romanian:
[IMG]http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania
oke i agree,you have good point here

Mary
05-02-2012, 12:27 PM
A question, I am a huge fan of Sandra Romain and Jasmine Black. Do they fit into romanian diversity or they are mixed with gypsy or something?

They're basically Gypsies. They have practically no Rumanian admix in them. Here is an ethnic Rumanian model: http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showpost.php?p=646369&postcount=61

I posted ethnic Rumanians here: http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=27119&page=9

Persoana
05-02-2012, 08:26 PM
Because the samples are from Northern Romania and cherry picked to show lighter elements, who more often than not look Slavic. In addition of that, Romanians are much more mixed than Albanians. When I see pictures of Kosovo Albanians I recognize the core of a stereotypical Romanian face, but it's no longer anywhere near as common as in Albanians. I'm sure this guy (steppe type with balkan infusions) looks very Albanian in your eyes, but in our eyes he could not be more Romanian:
http://euro2008.onlinesport.ro/uploads/images/romania/goian.jpg?0.5792310759592029
Same for this guy:
http://hermanvlad.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/mutu-briliantu.jpg

Now that you point that out I actually see what you mean and agree. There were many more external influences on Romania over time, especially in the outer areas and along the borders, but that core is still there and I can note its similarity to many of them. But of course that makes sense since the vast majority of people are still way more related to their southern neighbors as pretty much all genetic tests have shown.

As for those girls, they were probably at least partly Roma I'd say, but not completely. Some people here are a little too discriminatory when it comes to identifying them..

I'll try to find a good place to look for pics of more average or common Romanian types. I feel like most of the damage is already done though and people on this forum already formed their impression of us based on these regional pics, judging by what I have been reading in other parts of this forum... As in I saw some people listing Baltid as a principal component among Romanians in that one thread defining each country by a certain type, or that other thread where many people thought that we look the most like Ukrainians. In reality I'd say of all our neighbors, Ukraine has the least overall commonality with most Romanians. We even have more to do with Hungary probably. Oh well. Of course, there still are many decent specimens of average Romanians still in Maramures, nonetheless, and you can't take it to the other extreme.

As for Bucharest, there's people from all over the country as well as foreigners there so it can be hard to define it as an area, being a blend of many people.

For now here's an old football squad that's just a small sample. I'm a bit lazy at the moment but I'll look for more later probably

http://oradedolj.oradestiri.ro/wp-content/uploads//2011/04/romania-italia_83.jpg

Dacul
05-02-2012, 08:50 PM
Daos actually in the people from Bucharest black hair is very rare,is less than 10%.The people from south Muntenia,those from Bucharest and north of Bucharest are quite light eyed and light haired compared to rest of Romania.When I was in school,we were like 30 in class and about half of the girls were light haired.

Dacul
05-02-2012, 08:53 PM
They're basically Gypsies. They have practically no Rumanian admix in them. Here is an ethnic Rumanian model: http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showpost.php?p=646369&postcount=61

I posted ethnic Rumanians here: http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=27119&page=9

Her skin color is not usual for romanians in south Muntenia neither her hair color.

Dacul
05-02-2012, 10:02 PM
@Persona:is really amazing how black haired Romania footbal national team was in those times.
Now national footbal team looks like this:
http://www.charlesayoub.com/news/public/uploads/images/7556559704244144.jpg

aherne
05-03-2012, 06:05 AM
In reality I'd say of all our neighbors, Ukraine has the least overall commonality with most Romanians.


True, but that does not apply to Carpathian Ruthenians, who are physically, culturally and genetically more Dacian than Slavic. Still, even these least characteristic Russians have considerably more Slavic blood compared to Romanians: many pure Baltids and Corded individuals who would look out of place here. Actually, I've never seen a single ethnic Romanian with Corded phenotype. They all look very foreign here. Among Romanians, the weak Aryan element is entirely Steppe derived:
http://www.romaniainternational.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/632.jpg
^ This guy looks Romanian (and he sure is Romanian).

Dacul
05-03-2012, 06:19 AM
Slavs are not forming a unity about how they look,but they have languages from same group.
Is same with the nations that are speaking romance languages as are :
Portugal,Spain,France,Italy Romania and part of Switzerland.
For example serbians are almost pure balkanids,montenegrins pure balkanids,macedonians looks rather greek than slavic.
Now going to Slovenia,they are not look slavic either,but rather west european and so on.
Russians looks like what they are,a mix of slavs with fino-ugrians and vikings and other populations,since russians from south are quite dark haired.The percentage of mixture is different from area to area and is different in those areas from individual to individual.
Bulgarians looks rather mediteranid,than balkanic,they do not have anything commmon with how other slavs are looking.
Bulgarians average cephalic index is 79,since they are mostly mediteranids,but what is more weird is that they have plenty of light eyes.

For your various info,the romanians from Apuseni mountains (motzi),which are said to not have mixed with populations that passed in Romania almost at all looks very closed to how balkanids are looking.
From the low vault of lots of romanians and not so tall forehead is certain they are quite mixed with celts and some mediteranids,guess from colonists of Roman Empire.
What do you think Burebista made with celts that he defeat in the wars?
Exterminated?
Or rather settled them in his empire as population?
Because it does not say he exterminated them,but that he defeated them.

There are certain cognates of romanian language with gaelic/celtic languages as bou - how you call the castrated ox in romanian is how some celts are calling the cows.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boann
"Ptolemy's 2nd century Geographia shows that in antiquity the river's name was Bubindas, which may derive from Proto-Celtic *Bou-vindā, "white cow".".
Or suc they are calling like this the juice,same as romanians are.
Or another good example,in romanian popular language you tell at forest codru while in galeic is coedwig (same meaning).
Now romanian scientists are telling that codru in romanian is coming from latin quadrum,which means square,which is pure nonsense.

Persoana
05-03-2012, 08:54 PM
Well I agree that of course Balkan countries look by far primarily Balkanic, but they each have at least some background from northern Slavs, even if it is a fairly small minority overall, though it's a bit higher in some places than others; you can't say that there's no impact from them.. that just doesn't make sense. Where else did their language come from, aliens? And I've seen some examples personally. Try telling what you were saying to a Serb nationalist or something and see how that goes lol. Some areas seem to have more and others less, corresponding to certain historical settlement patterns following the migration era, and it may not be evenly distributed, but it's true the old pre-Slav languages disappeared gradually by the 9th or 10th centuries. Either way genetic tests show that the entire Balkan area, including most of Romania, as well as Balkan Vlachs/Aromanians, is more or less homogenous, except maybe Slovenia and parts of Croatia. So I guess other influences in the past few millennia were more or less evenly distributed.

found this while browsing around:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v456/n7218/images/nature07331-f1.2.jpg

About the Dacian presence in the Carpathian mountains north of the Romanian border, I think it's also plausible. Burebista's empire did stretch further north at one point, and also west, absorbing some central European Celts. The Carpathid type seems to be most prevalent in the very northern reaches of the Carpathians in Romania and much of it is in southwestern Ukraine and neighboring regions, even in Poland. I assume it predated these historical times though. By the way, I wonder why so many people here seem to think Russians and Ukrainians are very different from each other, when that's not really the case. It's true Ukrainians have slightly more "southern" or "central" background, and a higher Pontid presence, but overall the difference isn't huge.

Oh and I assume you were joking about how the football team changed since a few decades ago, lol? The lighting in older photographs doesn't show up as well I think. Besides, few Romanians or even Europeans in general truly have jet black hair. Medium to dark brown is most common overall, but some areas have higher frequencies of light brown. Some crowd shots I found with a simple search:

http://inyourpocket.com/img/romania/bucharest/arena-nationala-bucharest-football.jpg
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg238/scaled.php?server=238&filename=18068011kf0.jpg&res=landing
http://www.football-wallpapers.com/wallpapers4/romania_fans_1_1024x768.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Zux5hWI5k8M/Tcgxkno34cI/AAAAAAAAAOw/I3ns1HomU4M/s1600/politehnica-timisoara-1-2-unirea-urziceni.jpg
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTUh_SDSRKcg8vArfTX9VGeAMagjbYGk F3DV_0MbOJJ3N4SpAEbd6ruRc_u
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a94/ImpactPlayaz/MarkusBlog/MarkusBucharestSep2010Pic1.jpg
http://deanoworldtravels.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/romanian-revolution-1989.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-2CJYKLWd5Bs/TXdqAy-tJ-I/AAAAAAAAROc/DlQlrgUroN0/s1600/Romania.jpg


romanul, the word "bou" in Romanian comes from Latin "bovem", the accusative form of "bos", meaning ox, possibly through an intermediate Vulgar Latin form "bovum", explaining the lack of a final "e" as expected.

bóu (-ói), s. m. – 1. Taur castrat. – 2. Bour. – 3. Instrument muzical popular. – 4. Tont, imbecil. – Mr., megl. bou, istr. bowu. Lat. *bŏvum, formă populară de la bŏvem (Pușcariu 213; REW 1225; Candrea-Dens., 170; DAR); cf. it. bove, bue prov. b(u)ou, fr. boeuf, sp. buey, port. boi, cat. bou. Cf. boar, bour. Dim. boișor, boulean, bouleț; boicuș s. m. (pasăre, Aegithalus pendulinus, Aegithalus castaneus).


Cognates include Italian "bue" or "bove", Spanish "buey", Catalan "bou", etc. In Classical Latin "v" was pronounced as "w" and interestingly, this was preserved in some Romanian words, but it depended on its place within the word (usually at the end, as also in the case of "nou" from "novum") and did not apply in all cases, such as if "v" is the first letter. It's relation to Celtic may be because ancient Celtic languages were probably somewhat related to proto-Italic languages within the Indo-European group, hence some ancient similarities. Or it could have been the result of Latin influence or a loan word.

"Suc" is a neologism borrowed from French in the mid 19th century, along with many words, and thus can't be used as an example, but perhaps the rarer "usuc" used as a noun may be inherited from antiquity.

suc (-curi), s. n. – Must, sevă. Fr. suc. Apare greșit ca element lat. la Pușcariu 1671. Ngr. σοῦϰϰος, pe care Murnu, Lehnw., 43, îl consideră der. din rom., trebuie să provină din it. succo.

I don't think "codru" coming from "quadrum" is that ridiculous really, but I admit it doesn't necessarily have to be from it and can be from another source. Meanings often change a lot within Romanian due to its early isolation from the rest of the Latin-speaking world. One of it's older or original meanings was apparently that of a crumb or morsel, something that isn't known as much today, but the semantics of these words and how they evolved is intriguing. It also meant piece of land, I guess later coming to apply to "forests" or woods.

Here's one explanation for it's etymology:

códru (códri), s. m. – 1. Parte, bucată, felie. – 2. Bucată de pămînt. – 3. Pădure. – 4. (Înv.) Munte. – Mr. cod(u)ru, megl. codru. Lat. pop. *codrum, atestat cu forma codra (cf. citatele din Corpus glossar. lat., în Skok, Archiv. slaw. Phil., XXXVIII, 84), în loc de *quodrum sau quadrum „pătrat” (Densusianu, Rom., XXVIII, 62; Crețu 313; Candrea-Dens., 384; REW 6921; Capidan, Dacor., I, 509; DAR). Pentru trecerea lui qua la co-, cf. Densusianu, Hlr., 71 (împotrivă, Meyer-Lübke, Literaturenblatt, XXII, 299; Densusianu, GS, II, 321; Rosetti, I, 57 și Diculescu, Elementele, 437, care presupune în vocalismul rom. o influență eolică). Semantismul nu pare să prezinte dificultăți, dacă se are în vedere familia din care face parte quadra, și care este aceeași cu cea a lui quartus, cu care s-a confundat (cf. glosele lui codra: τόπος „loc” și τόπος „curte”. Astfel, după cum fr. quart(ier) și sp. cuarto, *codrum ar fi însemnat la început „parte a unui obiect împărțit în patru”, pentru a ajunge să însemne apoi, ca în cazurile anterioare, parte a unui obiect. Pentru accepția de bucată de pămînt, cf. sp. cuarto, quinto, la care ideea valorii aritmetice a dispărut, ca în rom. Din același etimon lat., provin prov. caire (cf. sp. desgaire), cu sensurile 1 și 2 ca în rom. (și sp. cairel, cf. Corominas, II, 571). Totuși, cercetătorii de odinioară s-au oprit prea mult la sensul primitiv „pătrat, de formă pătrată”, pe baza căruia este mai dificilă explicarea semantică a cuvîntului rom.; datorită acestui fapt, s-au căutat explicații foarte diferite. Astfel, codru este cuvînt autohton după Miklosich, Slaw. Elem., 10 și Hasdeu, Col. Traian, 1873, 110 și Philippide, II, 708; tracic după Pascu, I, 189; lat., dar cu influență semantică a sl. dĕlŭ „parte” și „munte”, după Weigang, Jb., II, 217; J. Bruch, ZRPh., LVI, 376 și Skok, Archiv. slaw. Phil., XXXVII, 83; din ngr. ϰόδρα după Cihac, II, 649; din alb. kodrë „colină” după Cihac, II, 716; Meyer 193; Șeineanu, Semasiol., 166; Pușcariu 392; din sl. krada „grămadă de lemne”, după Scriban. Alb. kodrë provine din rom. – Der. codrean, s. m. (locuitor din zona păduroasă; muntean; Banat, paznic de pădure; înv., soldat mercenar din regiunea Basarabiei numită Codrul Tigheciului); codroi, s. m. (plantă, Melampyrum arvense).

Nonetheless, I do believe there are many unexplained words in our language that need further examination and looking into, especially many of the so called "substratum" words.

Mordid
05-04-2012, 09:06 AM
The Carpathid type seems to be most prevalent in the very northern reaches of the Carpathians in Romania and much of it is in southwestern Ukraine and neighboring regions, even in Poland.
The darkest Poles are the Carpathian regions of the southeast. I've notice that they tends to be darker than most Poles from other regions and they look Balkanoid very often. I'm not sure if that is from the Paleo-Balkan influence or not.

Well known Goral folk singer
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46356

Robert Kubica, Polish racing driver:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37673

As you can see that they don't look ''Slavic'' at all.

Aviane
05-04-2012, 04:09 PM
Romanians are exaggerated to look like Gypsies but I can't even see for my life that they resemble them.

Romanians like most people from the Balkans look more like mainstream Europeans such as French, Swiss, Austrians, Germans, Slovenes, Czechs, Slovakians, Poles, Ukrainians, Belarusians and Russians.

Persoana
05-05-2012, 01:12 AM
The darkest Poles are the Carpathian regions of the southeast. I've notice that they tends to be darker than most Poles from other regions and they look Balkanoid very often. I'm not sure if that is from the Paleo-Balkan influence or not

Yeah that's not too surprising. There's a gradual blend of types over border areas. It's also true that these areas have a small Vlach presence from some migrations long ago, and there are a fair amount surnames in Poland that attest to this ancestry.


Romanians are exaggerated to look like Gypsies but I can't even see for my life that they resemble them.

Well that's because many people who go to some western countries from Romania are Roma or at least partly so, but still tell people they're just Romanian. In addition, the name similarity, which is complete coincidence, also creates more confusion, unfortunately.

Still, I don't think most from Romania and other parts of Balkans really look that much like Russians, Belarusians, Poles, or Ukrainians in general, but yeah I get what you mean. Some still do of course but it's not a common thing. Like several of us said, you can't really use this thread alone to judge as it's only showing part of the picture, but yes I agree many of the people earlier in it do look like they do. Trust me though, there's still plenty of other types you're not seeing here yet. I will agree that there is a blending into Central European as well though, not to mention a strong Southern and southeastern influence/presence in the population.

Anyway, aherne, I'm curious what you mean when you use the term "Aryan" as if it's a technical or scientific term, since I wasn't aware of it's meaning in that context. As I'm sure you know, in it's strictest sense it refers to speakers of Indo-Aryan and Iranian languages, and the usage of northern European/Scandinavian type people, while still the main use in popular language, has become obsolete in anthropology due to its link with racialism and such. Are you possibly referring to the Corded Ware/Battle Axe type people who are sometimes linked with Indo-European migrations and R1a? You think Crin Antonescu fits into that? I don't know. Also what do you mean by "steppe type"? Is that supposed to be Turanid?

aherne
05-06-2012, 08:42 AM
Anyway, aherne, I'm curious what you mean when you use the term "Aryan" as if it's a technical or scientific term, since I wasn't aware of it's meaning in that context. As I'm sure you know, in it's strictest sense it refers to speakers of Indo-Aryan and Iranian languages, and the usage of northern European/Scandinavian type people, while still the main use in popular language, has become obsolete in anthropology due to its link with racialism and such. Are you possibly referring to the Corded Ware/Battle Axe type people who are sometimes linked with Indo-European migrations and R1a? You think Crin Antonescu fits into that? I don't know. Also what do you mean by "steppe type"? Is that supposed to be Turanid?

Let's not derail this thread. By Aryan I mean the self-designation proto-Indo-Europeans used to describe themselves. By Aryan race I mean the physical type these people had. By steppe type I mean one of the two varieties of Aryan race (likely the oldest), which is distinguished by:
- cro-magnid tendencies
- golden blond hair
- stockier build
- big thin noses
- very angular features
- no ruggedness
This is an exceptionally pure steppe type:
http://www.rt.com/files/sport/tennis/tuesday-russians-australian-open-983/novosti-dmitry-roman-tursunov.n.jpg

Crin Antonescu as a young man used to be a Slavic version of Aryan where Steppe and Corded elements are mixed with minor native Baltid input:
http://www.gicacontra.eu/img/Crin-Antonescu-tanar-hipiot.jpg
He looks very un-Romanian, but highly characteristic for Old Slavs.

Mordid
05-06-2012, 08:57 AM
Crin Antonescu as a young man used to be a Slavic version of Aryan where Steppe and Corded elements are mixed with minor native Baltid input:
http://www.gicacontra.eu/img/Crin-Antonescu-tanar-hipiot.jpg
He looks very un-Romanian, but highly characteristic for Old Slavs.
He remind me of this Russian actor:
http://ru.laser.ru/gallery/menta/alexander_domogarov.jpg

Persoana
05-10-2012, 03:07 PM
Yeah I definitely see what you mean now.

Anyway, I agree that Dorin Goian is a pretty good example. http://soccernet-assets.espn.go.com/i/players/130x180/33498.jpg And Mutu as well. http://trazneata.radiolynx.ro/ftp/content/adrian-mutu.jpg Chivu http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d110/Ruberama/Serie%20A/Fangirls%20Guide%202007-8/Euros/Romania/CristianChivu.jpghttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/_DsrT9cZANNA/TPMyn6xZvQI/AAAAAAAAABs/WPeCYLXsA-Q/s1600/chivu.jpg another more familiar kind of look for me is Daniel Niculae http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1381/1423995995_193d0af21c.jpghttp://usoccers.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Daniel-Niculae.jpghttp://images.supersport.com/Daniel-Niculae-080612-Substitute-R300.jpg
or even Ceausescu's son Nicu http://www.lovendal.net/wp52/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/nicu-ceausescu-300x300.jpg
http://data3.blog.de/media/163/2256163_72fa9088f5_m.jpg

but there's a pretty good range of types throughout the country, depending on region

aherne
05-10-2012, 07:01 PM
I have to mention Nicolae Ceausescu and Elena Petrescu, his wife, who most likely didn't have a single non-Romanian ancestor in a hundred generations. Both very obvious Romanian faces:
http://www.ghimpele.ro/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Nicolae-Ceausescu-tanar.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Elena_Ceausescu_portrait.jpg/200px-Elena_Ceausescu_portrait.jpg
They resemble people from my Romanian side of family, who were also very pure Romanians.

Beethoven
05-10-2012, 11:31 PM
^Many of the people you posted look much alike their Ukrainian neighbours, IMO.

Could you post pictures of people from more southern Romanian lands?
Romanians(Moldovans also) and Ukrainians look totally different even near border regions.

There is 408 000 romanians in Ukraine (including 258000 moldovans)

And 300 000 ukrainians in Romania,375 000 ukrainians in Modlova and 369 000 russians in Moldova.

And its still hard to mistake romanian for ukrainian or ukrainian for romanian.

Moldova Ethnic groups (2004)

69.6% Moldovans
11.2% Ukrainians
9.4% Russians
3.8% Gagauzes
2.0% Bulgarians
1.9% Romanians
1.5% others and unspecified

Daos
06-18-2012, 06:18 AM
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