Advice to young British nationalists/racialists

[Imperivm]

Being 19 years old at university I am surrounded by typical liberal-marxist students who to me are almost in a different world; the way they act, the way they talk, the way they dress and the way they change their appearance. For social purposes this does have an affect because I struggle to associate myself with the people around me, however it's not as if I'm completely alienated! I have and can forge friendships with almost anyone around my age and I take part in all the usual drinking habits but never the less I feel separate to most of the 'normal student life'.

Now when having 'intellectual' debates in most cases I make my views known so in most cases turn people against to the point of their displeasure or shock, this effects peoples opinion of me. I see this through their overall body language, behavior and willingness to be around me apposed to any other average student. At my time here (university) I think its fair to say that i have earnt myself a reputation, for instance people I have never come across before will walk into my room in a almost provocative manor and start asking me questions about my political views. Things like; are you a member of the BNP? Do you support the BNP? I herd you are a stupid racist/fascist ect. the best one so far was a white girl who had dreadlocks wareing some kind of African garb said to be I hard you have a BNP nazi helmet in your room!!! (the helmet in question was a German army helmet that was picked up my grandfather during the war).

The answer to deal to this would be 'don't worry about other people who dislike you because of your believes they are not worth your time, find like minded people who are' ect....

As most of you on here have dealt with this at some time in the past I seek your advise. If I am being a drama queen then I shall stiff my upper lip.

Thank you.

P.S. I'm 100% sure I don't have some kind of social/ personality dis-function because if people don't know the 'fascist label' I am just like any other.

[Beorn]

My advice would be to discern between the British people and the English people.

The British section is here (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=126). This section is for English politics. :)

[Daos]

You can't have brainwashing without appealing to peoples' emotions, hence their emotional reaction to your political ideology.

Personally, I've made no secret about my opinions and no one seemed shocked - not even the professors. That comes to show that the brainwashing of the Romanian people (in matters of politics/tolerance/multi-culturalism/globalisation etc.) is still in progress.

[Imperivm]

My advice would be to discern between the British people and the English people.

The British section is here (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=126). This section is for English politics. :)

Wops, funny that I posted it in English section without thinking!

Could the mods could move this please?

[Eldritch]

Above all it's important to keep your calm and not sink to their level. Stay polite and cool. Answer any legitimate questions, but don't be surprised if you get interrupted and shouted at every time. Don't reply in kind.

[Kadu]

Well Imperivm, if your opinions are so unortodox you better back them very well. Otherwise you'll be making a fool out of yourself, either you have something really good and deep to say or everyone will be taking the piss on you.

[Imperivm]

Well Imperivm, if your opinions are so unortodox you better back them very well. Otherwise you'll be making a fool out of yourself, either you have something really good and deep to say or everyone will be taking the piss on you.

Agreed, In most cases I have been successful for instance in a group session of 20 we were debating Enoch Powell's rivers of blood speech and its fallout. I was the only one in the room seriously arguing for him which under pressure I did well. But I suppose its all about learning facts that I can use in debate to my advantage. I think a good one is to compare the Britain of old to the new, that always gets people thinking.

[Fortis in Arduis]

Agreed, In most cases I have been successful for instance in a group session of 20 we were debating Enoch Powell's rivers of blood speech and its fallout. I was the only one in the room seriously arguing for him which under pressure I did well. But I suppose its all about learning facts that I can use in debate to my advantage. I think a good one is to compare the Britain of old to the new, that always gets people thinking.

It is also really important to not waste your precious time and energy expounding your opinions to people who have stone intellects or seemingly immutable opposing views.

As an alternative, it might be more productive to ask them a question which might implant a constructively subversive meme (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme).

[Treffie]

Being 19 years old at university I am surrounded by typical liberal-marxist students who to me are almost in a different world; the way they act, the way they talk, the way they dress and the way they change their appearance.

I see that nothing has changed since I was in University.


Now when having 'intellectual' debates in most cases I make my views known so in most cases turn people against to the point of their displeasure or shock, this effects peoples opinion of me. I see this through their overall body language, behavior and willingness to be around me apposed to any other average student. At my time here (university) I think its fair to say that i have earnt myself a reputation, for instance people I have never come across before will walk into my room in a almost provocative manor and start asking me questions about my political views.

Are you sure that you're British?

[Liffrea]

Originally Posted by Imperivm
The answer to deal to this would be 'don't worry about other people who dislike you because of your believes they are not worth your time, find like minded people who are' ect....

A lesson in life, most people don’t like others who do not “fit” or conform, it puts them ill at ease, most people need to fit in, there are very few people who can shrug off social “norms” and act in a way that best suits them, most of those are either isolated by choice or in asylums, we generally all have to “fit in” to some degree just to survive but we can temper the amount based on knowledge and inclination. This isn’t necessarily about your beliefs regarding race, politics etc, values and beliefs are generally a trickle down process from those who organise society to fit their criteria to the majority, most people can’t actually justify much of what they believe they just follow “convention”. Of course that’s not to say any anti-mob/herd/authoritarian belief is necessarily right or correct, there are many who believe they are right, largely those excluded from society, all contests have winners and losers. Politics, in theory, is the process of organising society for the good of all, in practise it’s about ensuring that your kind of self serving bastard is pulling the strings…..

The psychology of the human species is really an interesting study in itself. You can convince people in large numbers to believe and to carry out the most ludicrous and abhorrent actions and ideals plausible, such is man.

A man can do no better than to realise that he is prejudiced, as is everyone, and to employ critical thought as far as is possible to light his way. I have inclinations but I am increasingly wise enough to know where reason gives ground to prejudice and where I can justify what I believe and where I just smile and say and there it is.

If you want to change people’s minds don’t tell them what you believe ask them what they believe and why, it’s more productive, though be prepared that they may well become better thinkers but that they won’t necessarily think they way you do.

[Imperivm]

I see that nothing has changed since I was in University.



Are you sure that you're British?

I cant spell, so the spell check would explain that one....

[Imperivm]

A lesson in life, most people don’t like others who do not “fit” or conform, it puts them ill at ease, most people need to fit in, there are very few people who can shrug off social “norms” and act in a way that best suits them, most of those are either isolated by choice or in asylums, we generally all have to “fit in” to some degree just to survive but we can temper the amount based on knowledge and inclination. This isn’t necessarily about your beliefs regarding race, politics etc, values and beliefs are generally a trickle down process from those who organise society to fit their criteria to the majority, most people can’t actually justify much of what they believe they just follow “convention”. Of course that’s not to say any anti-mob/herd/authoritarian belief is necessarily right or correct, there are many who believe they are right, largely those excluded from society, all contests have winners and losers. Politics, in theory, is the process of organising society for the good of all, in practise it’s about ensuring that your kind of self serving bastard is pulling the strings…..

The psychology of the human species is really an interesting study in itself. You can convince people in large numbers to believe and to carry out the most ludicrous and abhorrent actions and ideals plausible, such is man.

A man can do no better than to realise that he is prejudiced, as is everyone, and to employ critical thought as far as is possible to light his way. I have inclinations but I am increasingly wise enough to know where reason gives ground to prejudice and where I can justify what I believe and where I just smile and say and there it is.

If you want to change people’s minds don’t tell them what you believe ask them what they believe and why, it’s more productive, though be prepared that they may well become better thinkers but that they won’t necessarily think they way you do.

Fantastic reply, than you so much. :)

So lets say I am having a general conversation about political believes with a person.... I let them dictate to me what they believe to see if they can justify themselves, then give small bits of information that contrasts their points? This apposed to lecturing the person that I so often find myself doing.

[Electronic God-Man]

Fantastic reply, than you so much. :)

So lets say I am having a general conversation about political believes with a person.... I let them dictate to me what they believe to see if they can justify themselves, then give small bits of information that contrasts their points? This apposed to lecturing the person that I so often find myself doing.

Yep. Make them do the work. If they seem so gung-ho about opposing your viewpoints surely they should be able to speak about theirs coherently...you'll often find that they can't however.

[Liffrea]

Originally Posted by Imperivm
So lets say I am having a general conversation about political believes with a person.... I let them dictate to me what they believe to see if they can justify themselves, then give small bits of information that contrasts their points?

Pretty much, treat it as exercise in logic, employ the Socratic dialectic method and see how long it takes to arrive at a contradiction in their belief, but beware you may have contradictions in your own! Any rational debate is a process of arriving at understanding rather than necessarily proving your own point as correct. The objective is to stimulate people to think about what they believe and why they believe the way they do. In any worth while discussion you come away with a fresh perspective and new points to think about, at least that's what I look for but it depends on what your objective is.