All Turks have South Asian DNA in autosomal and Y-DNA

[ButlerKing]

It seems south Asian dna in turks is more common than I though. Almost every turk have a little bit of south Asian dna from 0.5% to 3.9%


There is many possibilities how south asian dna intruded Turks

1. Turkmen had south asian dna

2. Indian men mated with Turkish women hence Y-DNA L

3. Or possibly from the gypsies who have both Y-DNA H and L

http://i57.tinypic.com/a4wmyx.png

[ButlerKing]

Here's more. The south Asian admixture in this study seems to be different to eachother properly because they are from other provinces or cities.

http://i59.tinypic.com/30dfkzk.jpg


http://i46.tinypic.com/1zovvrk.png

[ButlerKing]

Gypsies are partially south Asian and more european today but they would have been full South Asian in the past. Gypsies today have more maternal European with more South Asian paternal although they also have both European paternal and South Asian maternal

Romani people in Turkey


Gypsies were in Turkey in 9th century already


The Romani people (Turkish: Roman/Çingene) in Turkey are an ethnic minority. They descend from the times of the Byzantine Empire. Records about their presence in 9th century Asia Minor exist, where they arrived from Persia. With the expanse of the Ottoman Empire Turkish Romani settled also in Rumelia (Southern Europe under the Ottoman rule). Sulukule is the oldest Romani settlement in Europe. The descendants of the Ottoman Romani today are known as Xoraxane Romani and are of the Islamic faith.[1]

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Hindukush rape slaves. That is a lot of how central asia darked up.

[ButlerKing]

Hindukush rape slaves. That is a lot of how central asia darked up.

There were many Turks slaves in India too brought by Turks themselves who enslaved other turks.

Anyway Turkmen have many south Asian DNA but they lack South Asian Y-DNA L


52% to 78% West Eurasian
20% to 43% East Eurasian
1.5% to 5.9% South Asian




http://i62.tinypic.com/vfjvco.png

[ButlerKing]

i know girl who is gispy descend(she never say she is gispy but we know) , she have blue eye her sister too, now they married a turkish men :D its their influence ? LOL

Turkish have 4.21% haplogroup L and 0.57% haplogroup H. These are typical south Asian Y-DNA males DNA.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/Turkey_Y_chromosome(in_20_haplogroups).png

[Kiyant]

One question Butler.
Why are you so obsessed about Turkics/Mongoloids?

[ButlerKing]

One question Butler.
Why are you so obsessed about Turkics/Mongoloids?

Not really. Just wanted to know the truth now that I think about it.

The Roma (Gypsies) in Turkey can easily pass for the locals, at least the majority. I think intermarrying with the Turkish people have diluted their South Asian DNA heavily. Perhaps gypsies in Turkey have 5-10% Mongoloid themselves since Turks are 10-20% but than they came from Persia so perharps they already mixed with the persians before coming to turkey

http://i60.tinypic.com/4hvzib.png

[ButlerKing]

interesting :D i think its come with those turkmens and timur(tamerlane):D i heard Timur get 50.000 turkish women from central Anatolia. He massacred men population of central Anatolia

WHOAH! Most gypsies in Turkey would pass for locals

http://www.errc.org/cms/upload/media/01/A8/i000001A8.jpg
http://www.globalcelebration.com/uploads/images/Gallery/missions/Foosteps-of-Paul/Gypsies11.jpg
https://www.irisglobal.org/gallery/gal/November%202007/IMG_3397.jpg

[ButlerKing]

i think they mixed us(seljuk,timur and otttoman era) and kurds :D They are more darker than Anatolian turks. We assimilating them :)) Many of them :)) i know gipsy woman who married kurdish men, he asked this is normal or not :D we have ginger gypsies too

This clearly proves gypsies are not even south Asian people genetically they are mostly like today 80% European/Middle east + 15-20% South Asian.

They came from Persia I think they mixed with Persians too.

[ButlerKing]

poor families in turkey and the gispsies become mixed i think. i said they are more darker than us i have seen lot of them they are very very dark, its really rare to see they have blonde hair or blue eyes.

That's not true, there seems to be only a slightly difference judging from the pictures.

Certainly they are about as dark as Kurds but many are just as light. Maybe because they mixed with both Kurds and Turks

http://kurdishrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/kurdianadil.jpg

[ButlerKing]

poor families in turkey and the gypsies become mixed i think. i said they are more darker than us i have seen lot of them they are very very dark, its really rare to see they have blonde hair or blue eyes

You know the strange thing? some Turkish and Kurds can pass in India.

If this kurds said he was from India I wouldn't even doubt twice.

http://static0.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/a_scale_large/2000-4/photos/2042804.jpg

[ButlerKing]

poor families in turkey and the gypsies become mixed i think. i said they are more darker than us i have seen lot of them they are very very dark, its really rare to see they have blonde hair or blue eyes

Gypsies in turkey with blonde hair and brown hair

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_UcxBlxlFgd8/TJK_dmJMBLI/AAAAAAAAAX0/O83zS_HIgQM/s1600/Gypsy+mother+and+child,+Turkey+-+photographed+by+Atakan+Sevgi.jpg
http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs14/f/2007/091/3/6/Dom_rom_Gypsy_in_Turkey_III_by_kemalvuraltarlan.jp g

[Alphawolf]

One question Butler.
Why are you so obsessed about Turkics/Mongoloids?

Because, he's an Iranian. :D

Btw, Iranian People (Pakistanis, Kurds, Afghanis) are the closest relatives of Indians (-Gypsies) in the Middle East.

[Alphawolf]

...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmJ7bR9IV7U

:D

[ButlerKing]

i think they mixed us(seljuk,timur and otttoman era) and kurds :D They are more darker than Anatolian turks. We assimilating them :)) Many of them :)) i know gipsy woman who married kurdish men, he asked this is normal or not :D we have ginger gypsies too

It seems more common than I though. I think the gypsies in Turkey are genetically more like Turks

https://rumisapprentice.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/dsc00915.jpg
https://rumisapprentice.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/dsc00912.jpg
https://rumisapprentice.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/dsc00881.jpg

[ButlerKing]

https://rumisapprentice.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/dsc00880.jpg?w=950&h=631
https://rumisapprentice.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/dsc00883.jpg?w=950&h=631
https://rumisapprentice.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/dsc00888.jpg?w=950&h=631

[ButlerKing]

i think they are from istanbul...you can't say they are gipsy or turkish they look like a us :D we have lot of poor turkish village too :) but i said majority of them a dark ! very dark!!


This is what it says

11/01/2011 | Categories: Posts | Tags: Gypsies, Gypsy, Konya, Roma, Roma People, Travel, Turkey | 1 Comment

https://rumisapprentice.wordpress.com/tag/gypsies/

[ButlerKing]

Konya ? people in konya,erzurum and sivas murdered by mongols, some of them have slanted eyes .Persian mixed people have dravidian gene! Tajik well they like us :) if turco-mongols and assyrians never invade our land we are probably look different

turkish childs from konya
http://i59.tinypic.com/205xyl4.jpg
http://i62.tinypic.com/29yme6f.jpg


Whoa! They look like from sweden.


Here is a gypsy girl who looks like she from south India, she is with those white looking gypsies.

But this look seems to be rare

https://rumisapprentice.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/dsc00913.jpg?w=950&h=631

[wvwvw]

South Asian= Indian (Superior race)

I wish I had some % :(

[ButlerKing]

yes it was very rare ! poor turkish families mixed gypsies in ww1 and the seljuks era of Anatolia.

These gypsies can easily pass for Yoruks

https://rumisapprentice.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/dsc00906.jpg?w=950&h=631
https://rumisapprentice.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/dsc00914.jpg?w=950&h=631
https://rumisapprentice.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/dsc00911.jpg?w=950&h=631

[ButlerKing]

So Kurds have + 10% South Asian? :mmmm:


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-l9oDPeNZPoc/Tg32AhSZ3TI/AAAAAAAAAk0/EpWVqfBVc1A/s1600/ADMIXTURE%2BKurd_12.png

[ButlerKing]

I don't get the part that Kurds have 10-15% South Asian.

What is exactly the reason? could it be from Gypsies too? or did it already exist in them as a race?

[Danishmend]

It flowed westward into Anatolia with the migration of the Turks, we brought it from south central asia

http://search.proquest.com/docview/304511049/abstract

"1) At an Afshar village whose oral stories tell they come from Central Asia they found that 57% come from haplogroup L, 13% from haplogroup Q, 3% from haplogroup N thus indicating that the L haplogroups in Turkey are of Central Asian heritage rather than Indian, although these Central Asians would have gotten the L markers from the Indians from the beginning. These Asian groups add up to 73% in this village. Furthermore 10% of these Afshars were E3a and E3b. Only 13% were J2a, the most common haplogroup in Turkey."

[ButlerKing]

It flowed westward into Anatolia with the migration of the Turks, we brought it from south central asia

http://search.proquest.com/docview/304511049/abstract

"1) At an Afshar village whose oral stories tell they come from Central Asia they found that 57% come from haplogroup L, 13% from haplogroup Q, 3% from haplogroup N thus indicating that the L haplogroups in Turkey are of Central Asian heritage rather than Indian, although these Central Asians would have gotten the L markers from the Indians from the beginning. These Asian groups add up to 73% in this village. Furthermore 10% of these Afshars were E3a and E3b. Only 13% were J2a, the most common haplogroup in Turkey."

So Asfhar are partially South Asian people?

Actually I was wrong. It seems Turkmen also have 5% haplogroup L

http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/60_Genetics/WorldHaplogroupsMaps/TurkmenY_DNA_Iran.gif

[StonyArabia]

The Druze have high levels of Y-DNA L yet they have no South Asian admixture.

[ButlerKing]

The Druze have high levels of Y-DNA L yet they have no South Asian admixture.

I don't believe that.

[StonyArabia]

I don't believe that.

They do, but the Druze have zero South Asian. So this means L is not really from South Asian source.

[random]

Haplogroup L-M20

Possible place of origin:Iran / Iraq, South Asia or Sogdiana, Central Asia

[Altaylardan Tunaya]

L is also popular in north-east turkey.

I have 7 L2* matches on 23andme, they are either from trabzon or rize. No south asian admixture though.

[StonyArabia]

Haplogroup L-M20

Possible place of origin:Iran / Iraq, South Asia or Sogdiana, Central Asia

This makes more sense, the Iraq-Iran. As I have said the Druze don't have any South Asian admixture.

[random]

It's also common in south tyrol and a city in portugal.

[StonyArabia]

It's also common in south tyrol and a city in portugal.

It's probably a Middle Eastern in origins then.

[ButlerKing]

This makes more sense, the Iraq-Iran. As I have said the Druze don't have any South Asian admixture.

Show me a autosomal DNA chart

[ButlerKing]

L is also popular in north-east turkey.

I have 7 L2* matches on 23andme, they are either from trabzon or rize. No south asian admixture though.

What do you mean no south Asian admixture when every Turk there have little bit of South Asian admixture....

[ButlerKing]

The Druze have high levels of Y-DNA L yet they have no South Asian admixture.

It seems you are wrong It really depends on which Druze group. Of the 5 Druze group. One group have 27%, other 2 groups have only 2% , 8% , and 2 groups have 0%.

A 2008 study published on the genetic background of Druze communities in Israel showed highly heterogeneous parental origins. A total of 311 Israeli Druze were sampled: 37 from the Golan Heights, 183 from the Galilee, and 35 from Mount Carmel, as well as 27 Druze immigrants from Syria and 29 from Lebanon. The researchers found the following frequencies of Y-chromosomal haplogroups:

Mount Carmel: L 27%, R 27%, J 18%, E 15%, G 12%.

Galilee: J 31%, R 20%, E 18%, G 14%, K 11%, Q 4%, L 2%.

Golan Heights: J 54%, E 29%, I 8%, G 4%, C 4%.

Lebanon: J 58%, K 17%, L 8%, Q 8%, R 8%.

Syria: J 39%, E 29%, R 14%, G 14%, K 4%.

[ButlerKing]

I will conclude. Turk's south Asian Y-DNA and autosomal came from a mixture of Gypsies and Ashfar tribe

[ButlerKing]

Two Turks thumbed me down because they couldn't except haplogroup L in South Asia came from Gypsies.

Gypsies of Turkey look like local Turkish because they mated with Turkish women. And L in Turkey is partially contributed by Gypsy males

[Danishmend]

Two Turks thumbed me down because they couldn't except haplogroup L in South Asia came from Gypsies.

Gypsies of Turkey look like local Turkish because they mated with Turkish women. And L in Turkey is partially contributed by Gypsy males

You wish, you self-hating Punjabi (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?118417-Butler-king-is-self-hating-Punjabi-gt-I-bet-my-life-lol)

sigh*




http://search.proquest.com/docview/304511049/abstract

"1) At an Afshar village whose oral stories tell they come from Central Asia they found that 57% come from haplogroup L, 13% from haplogroup Q, 3% from haplogroup N thus indicating that the L haplogroups in Turkey are of Central Asian heritage rather than Indian, although these Central Asians would have gotten the L markers from the Indians from the beginning. These Asian groups add up to 73% in this village. Furthermore 10% of these Afshars were E3a and E3b. Only 13% were J2a, the most common haplogroup in Turkey."


Gypsies in Turkey don't look Turkish at all btw, they look what they are, Gypsy. I bet you look more dravidian than these Gypsies
http://i.hizliresim.com/JLVQdY.jpg (http://hizliresim.com/JLVQdY)

[ButlerKing]

Danishmend;2663123]You wish, you self-hating Punjabi (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?118417-Butler-king-is-self-hating-Punjabi-gt-I-bet-my-life-lol)






Gypsies in Turkey don't look Turkish at all btw, they look what they are, Gypsy. I bet you look more dravidian than these Gypsies
http://i.hizliresim.com/JLVQdY.jpg (http://hizliresim.com/JLVQdY)

Um I showed many previous gypsies in Turkey and they look more white than even some Turkish.

That claim that L in Turkey is from Asfhar tribe is only a possibly, there is no citations or reference for that part anyway

Take a look a this picture of Gypsy wedding

http://static1.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/a_scale_large/2100-2/photos/1371805230-gypsy-wedding-in-turkey_2177452.jpg

[Danishmend]

wow such white, so aryan

[ButlerKing]

wow such white, so aryan


Why do you think every Turkish have little bit of South Asian DNA in their veins. Why do you think you Turkish people have from 5% to 21% Mongoloid blood.

How did Mongoloid DNA appear in Turks

Hybrid Mongoloid/Caucasoid seljuk turk both married Caucasoid anatolians that is why there is Mongoloid Y-DNA and mtDNA, of course much of it would have have been hybridized with Caucasoid . Also some Caucasoid Y-DNA and mtDNA in Turkey would have been hybrisized with Mongoloid if it originated from Central Asia

The same would apply to South Asian

South Asian DNA in Turks is the result of Gypsies. Although the result would be clearly male mediated (originally pure South Asian) mating with Turkish women. Perharps they were half south Asian men by the time they mixed with turkish females

That is why most gypsies in Turkey look more closer to local than South Asians

[ButlerKing]

That is a picture of Gypsies wedding in Turkey

[Kiyant]

That is a picture of Gypsies wedding in Turkey


They look far more like Turkish people than South Asians is because they mated with both Turkish women or possibly some Kurdish aswell however those Turkish don't look Kurdish

What the hell they dont look Turkish and everybody in Turkey knows who is a gypsy and who is not one please dont speak about things that you dont know :picard1:

[ButlerKing]

What the hell they dont look Turkish and everybody in Turkey knows who is a gypsy and who is not one please dont speak about things that you dont know :picard1:

Okay let me rephase. Maybe some of them look Kurdish and some of them look Turkish.

[ButlerKing]

What the hell they dont look Turkish and everybody in Turkey knows who is a gypsy and who is not one please dont speak about things that you dont know :picard1:

Here is Roma in Turkey, they look like Turkish locals.

http://chalkboard.tol.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/vocational-school_TURKEY.jpg
http://www.ergonetwork.org/media/userfiles/image/egro/Roma%20react%20Turkey.jpg

[Danishmend]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ato3EYTdM8lQdEUtZjRwTkQxRzBCeHdTaTdWUUY4Z 0E#gid=0

Some Central & West Asian populations / South Asian admixture %
Abkhasian: 1.906666667
Adygei: 2.79
Azeri: 7.133333333
Balkar: 1.99
Chechen: 3.47
Chuvash: 2.276666667
Iranian: 10.56
Kirgiz: 4.206666667
Kumyk: 3.843333333
Kurdish: 8.073333333
Lezgin: 4.19
Nogay: 2.77
Ossetian: 2.736666667
Turkish: 4.05
Turkmen: 11.21333333
Uygur: 10.42
Uzbeki: 11.84666667

It has nothing to do with Gypsies, stop dreaming Gurka Atla :laugh:
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/28883-Turks-with-10-25-Mongoloid-admixture-(-Turkish-people-autosomal-DNA-)

[ButlerKing]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ato3EYTdM8lQdEUtZjRwTkQxRzBCeHdTaTdWUUY4Z 0E#gid=0

Some Central & West Asian populations / South Asian admixture %
Abkhasian: 1.906666667
Adygei: 2.79
Azeri: 7.133333333
Balkar: 1.99
Chechen: 3.47
Chuvash: 2.276666667
Iranian: 10.56
Kirgiz: 4.206666667
Kumyk: 3.843333333
Kurdish: 8.073333333
Lezgin: 4.19
Nogay: 2.77
Ossetian: 2.736666667
Turkish: 4.05
Turkmen: 11.21333333
Uygur: 10.42
Uzbeki: 11.84666667

It has nothing to do with Gypsies, stop dreaming Gurka Atla :laugh:
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/28883-Turks-with-10-25-Mongoloid-admixture-(-Turkish-people-autosomal-DNA-)


Sorry but your spreadsheet is messy. You don't know which is which.

Uzbeks have only 1-6% South Asian

http://i48.tinypic.com/2b9ugn.png


Gypsies migrated all over the world and spread their DNA


http://dnaconsultants.com/images/gypsy%20migrations.jpg

[random]

L is not south Asian.

"Afshars live not only in Turkey but also Syria, Afghanistan, and Iran. Gokcumen studied Afshars from Turkey. In an Afshar village in Turkey where the inhabitants had an oral tradition of descent from Central Asians 57% of their Y-DNA belonged to haplogroup L, 13% to haplogroup Q, and 3% to haplogroup N, confirming Central Asian heritage, for a grand total of 73% of Central Asian paternal ancestry."

[ButlerKing]

L is not south Asian.

"Afshars live not only in Turkey but also Syria, Afghanistan, and Iran. Gokcumen studied Afshars from Turkey. In an Afshar village in Turkey where the inhabitants had an oral tradition of descent from Central Asians 57% of their Y-DNA belonged to haplogroup L, 13% to haplogroup Q, and 3% to haplogroup N, confirming Central Asian heritage, for a grand total of 73% of Central Asian paternal ancestry."

Haplogroup L belong to Indian.

Gypsies who live in Europe and middle east have both haplogroup L and H, also the gypsies in Turkey don't look South Asian because they had sex with Turkish women

[Kiyant]

Haplogroup L belong to Indian.

Gypsies who live in Europe and middle east have both haplogroup L and H, also the gypsies in Turkey don't look South Asian because they had sex with Turkish women

Gypsies in Turkey dont look Turkish :picard1:
Also just agree that you are South Asian

[ButlerKing]

Gypsies in Turkey dont look Turkish :picard1:
Also just agree that you are South Asian

Well they don't look south Asians.

If not Turks than what is it? Armenian? Kurdish?


Dünya Romanlar Kongresi Toplandı

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-wc96EKwR8ls/UZSrRQgZ0NI/AAAAAAAAB1A/lK1jIV0rruU/s1600/sapanca+kad_nlar.jpg

Roma in Turkey


http://www.mundiromani.com/_cachingdbfield/dmlkZW9z/dmlkZW9fcGljX2Vu/N/T/k/,/torok_big_1_1_edirne.jpg

[gültekin]

Well they don't look south Asians.

If not Turks than what is it? Armenian? Kurdish?

Dünya Romanlar Kongresi Toplandı

dont like Turks u moron
http://i.imgur.com/Nj5Biny.gif

[Alphawolf]

Well they don't look south Asians.

If not Turks than what is it? Armenian? Kurdish?


Dünya Romanlar Kongresi Toplandı

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-wc96EKwR8ls/UZSrRQgZ0NI/AAAAAAAAB1A/lK1jIV0rruU/s1600/sapanca+kad_nlar.jpg

Roma in Turkey


http://www.mundiromani.com/_cachingdbfield/dmlkZW9z/dmlkZW9fcGljX2Vu/N/T/k/,/torok_big_1_1_edirne.jpg

They look Persian to me. Could pass in Mazandaran.

[wvwvw]

The Hittites went extinct 1500 years before Greeks set foot on Asia Minor. Their civilization was completely destroyed and whatever Hittites survived fled to Syria and set up Hittite kingdoms there. It is laughable that you try to link Hittites to modern Turks.