British & Irish Autosomal Results

[Graham]

For those members with full Isles recent ancestry. Will start off with Eurogenes K15, & I am cutting out what I perceive as noise in that region.

Eurogenes
Eurogenes V2 K15North_Sea
42.98% Graham
39.61% Orcadian
39.41% Catkin
37.33% West Scottish
37.04% Alice
36.38% Irish
35.72% South East English
35.22% South West English
34.34% Jackson
32.50% Caismeachd

Atlantic
30.66% Irish
30.46% West Scottish
30.38% Caismeachd
29.88% Alice
29.86% South East English
29.00% Orcadian
28.94% South West English
28.72% Graham
26.40% Catkin
24.73% Jackson

Baltic
11.89% Alice
11.82% Jackson
11.69% Catkin
11.15% Irish
10.34% West Scottish
9.89% South East English
9.69% South West English
8.92% Caismeachd
8.61% Orcadian
7.46% Graham

Eastern_Euro
13.12% Caismeachd
10.07% Graham
9.06% Catkin
8.91% Jackson
8.90% West Scottish
8.75% Alice
8.12% Irish
8.08% Orcadian
8.36% South East English
8.02% South West English

West_Med
11.16% South West English
9.06% Catkin
8.77% South East English
8.52% Jackson
8.38% Caismeachd
7.37% Orcadian
6.98% Irish
6.70% West Scottish
6.63% Graham
4.95% Alice

West_Asian
5.42% Catkin
5.16% Alice
3.67% Jackson
3.67% Orcadian
3.55% South West English
3.35% South East English
3.34% Irish
3.07% West Scottish
2.94% Caismeachd
1.87% Graham

East_Med
4.31% Jackson
2.50% South East English
1.82% South West English
1.77% Alice
1.43% Caismeachd
1.24% Irish
1.17% West Scottish
0.99% Graham
0.65% Orcadian
0.10 Catkin

[Catkin]

Yey, that's great. Thanks for doing that.

My East Med is a pathetic 0.10%. My Med's obviously all west.

[Graham]

My East Med is a pathetic 0.10%. My Med's obviously all west.

Sometimes you have an imbalance of close clusters. Your West Asian probably is taking away from East Med. Why you're top in W.Asian, bottom E.Med.

[Catkin]

Maybe yes, the West Asian seems high. Though Alice isn't far off me.

There doesn't seem to be much of a pattern of which other members we group with; we seem to jump about a lot.

[Black Wolf]

You can add my mother, aunt and great uncle as well if you would like. All three of them are of 100% Irish and British Isles ancestry as far as we know even though my mother, aunt and their father were all born in Canada.

Mother:

Population
North_Sea 37.52%
Atlantic 29.36%
Baltic 7.75%
Eastern_Euro 10.90%
West_Med 8.71%
West_Asian 4.01%
East_Med -
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 0.69%
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 0.15%
Amerindian 0.42%
Oceanian 0.37%
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.11%


Aunt:

Population
North_Sea 41.00%
Atlantic 26.83%
Baltic 8.07%
Eastern_Euro 9.66%
West_Med 8.10%
West_Asian 4.16%
East_Med 0.35%
Red_Sea 0.76%
South_Asian 0.11%
Southeast_Asian 0.12%
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.81%


Great Uncle:

Population
North_Sea 37.23%
Atlantic 30.20%
Baltic 7.78%
Eastern_Euro 6.02%
West_Med 8.18%
West_Asian 3.65%
East_Med 0.62%
Red_Sea 4.07%
South_Asian 1.60%
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.45%
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.15%

[sonofthedutch]

nice dude!!

[Sikeliot]

I suspect West Med to be higher in the English and Welsh than in Scotland.

[Smaug]

Very interesting, there isn't a ethnic pattern. Two Scots, two Irish and two English, all appearing randomly in their scores.

[Black Wolf]

Very interesting, there isn't a ethnic pattern. Two Scots, two Irish and two English, all appearing randomly in their scores.

In the end they are basically all Islanders. :)

[Smaug]

In the end they are basically all Islanders. :)

Yes.

[Graham]

Very interesting, there isn't a ethnic pattern. Two Scots, two Irish and two English, all appearing randomly in their scores.

The main ones are Atlantic+ North Sea is more Irish & Scots. West med is more English. It's not that random. Some of us have ancestry from more than one group also.

[Smaug]

The main ones are Atlantic+ North Sea is more Irish & Scots. West med is more English. It's not that random. Some of us have ancestry from more than one group also.

Indeed. You and Caismechd are part Englisn, and Catkin is part Irish.

[Caismeachd]

Not sure where my spiked Eastern Euro comes from. I would guess that having higher Atlantid would just mean being of older British stock?

[Catkin]

Indeed. You and Caismechd are part Englisn, and Catkin is part Irish.

I'm possibly also 1/8 Scottish according to older aunts, but I haven't been able to confirm that yet.

[Smaug]

I'm possibly also 1/8 Scottish according to older aunts, but I haven't been able to confirm that yet.

Hopefully you are.

[Catkin]

Hopefully you are.

Well if it's Scottish it would make me less Irish, not English. It's on that side of my family.

I tend to assume my dad's side is 100% English/Germanic (my great-great-great-great-(lol)-grandfather on that side was Northern German it seems), but that may not be true.

[Smaug]

Well if it's Scottish it would make me less Irish, not English. It's on that side of my family.

I tend to assume my dad's side is 100% English/Germanic (my great-great-great-great-(lol)-grandfather on that side was Northern German it seems), but that may not be true.

Oh, if that's the case then I'm sorry. It seems you are doomed being a Saesneg for ever ;)

[Catkin]

Oh, if that's the case then I'm sorry. It seems you are doomed being a Saesneg for ever ;)

I know... and thank you. Still, at least I'm not Welsh.






:p

[Tooting Carmen]

Interesting results. Anything for the Welsh?

[Catkin]

Interesting results. Anything for the Welsh?

Unfortunately they don't have a separate population group of Welsh samples on Eurogenes, so it's a case of guesstimating from the closest populations they do have.
(BTW, my comment against the Welsh was purely aimed at Uhtred :). I'd take the opportunity to insult him whereever he was from.)

[Smaug]

Unfortunately they don't have a separate population group of Welsh samples on Eurogenes, so it's a case of guesstimating from the closest populations they do have.
(BTW, my comment against the Welsh was purely aimed at Uhtred :). I'd take the opportunity to insult him whereever he was from.)

Don't worry vita, me and Catkin have a love-hate relationship. Catkin, are you sure you are not my English friend I have in real life?

[Albannach]

Heres how I compare to the other Islanders. Looking at the results it looks like I'm Uber-Celt :cool:. Can anyone top my Atlanticness?

Eurogenes V2 K15
North_Sea
42.98% Graham
39.61% Orcadian
39.41% Catkin
37.33% West Scottish
37.04% Alice
36.38% Irish
36.09% Albannach
35.72% South East English
35.22% South West English
34.34% Jackson
32.50% Caismeachd

Atlantic
32.33% Albannach
30.66% Irish
30.46% West Scottish
30.38% Caismeachd
29.88% Alice
29.86% South East English
29.00% Orcadian
28.94% South West English
28.72% Graham
26.40% Catkin
24.73% Jackson

Baltic
12.09% Albannach
11.89% Alice
11.82% Jackson
11.69% Catkin
11.15% Irish
10.34% West Scottish
9.89% South East English
9.69% South West English
8.92% Caismeachd
8.61% Orcadian
7.46% Graham

Eastern_Euro
13.12% Caismeachd
10.07% Graham
9.06% Catkin
8.91% Jackson
8.90% West Scottish
8.75% Alice
8.40% Albannach
8.12% Irish
8.08% Orcadian
8.36% South East English
8.02% South West English

West_Med
11.16% South West English
9.06% Catkin
8.77% South East English
8.52% Jackson
8.38% Caismeachd
7.37% Orcadian
6.98% Irish
6.70% West Scottish
6.63% Graham
4.95% Alice
4.25% Albannach

West_Asian
5.60% Albannach
5.42% Catkin
5.16% Alice
3.67% Jackson
3.67% Orcadian
3.55% South West English
3.35% South East English
3.34% Irish
3.07% West Scottish
2.94% Caismeachd
1.87% Graham

East_Med
4.31% Jackson
2.50% South East English
1.82% South West English
1.77% Alice
1.43% Caismeachd
1.24% Irish
1.17% West Scottish
0.99% Graham
0.65% Orcadian
0.10 Catkin
0.00 Albannach

[Catkin]

Don't worry vita, me and Catkin have a love-hate relationship.

Affectionate enmity.


Catkin, are you sure you are not my English friend I have in real life?

Unlikely. I keep all details of my friends with Welsh blood in a closely monitored database. I'd know if one was you.





P.S. Despite everything, I like your avatar.

[Smaug]

Affectionate enmity.



Unlikely. I keep all details of my friends with Welsh blood in a closely monitored database. I'd know if one was you.





P.S. Despite everything, I like your avatar.

Thank you. My new avatae reflects my real self and all the lassies who love me.

[Graham]

wed Med shows the best difference and North Atlantic would to on K13. In my opinion will have to check that out also.


We'll need to agree to what is the best Autsomal for us. Will post another K13. ok and update if any born Brits/irish are here.

[Graham]

K13... Too differences between K13 and K15. So I only posted the North Atantic, (Dropped Atlantic & North Sea. Baltic) ( Dropped East European). The two Norths.

btw Albion has results too, if we can get them.
Eurogenes
Eurogenes K13
North Atlantic
54.84% Graham
54.02% Albannach
53.18% West Scottish
52.23% Irish
52.04% Alice
51.99% South West English
51.33% Orcadian
50.52% South East English
49.99% Catkin
47.56% Caismeachd
45.30% Jackson

Baltic
25.90% Caismeachd
25.27% Alice
25.25% Albannach
24.47% Catkin
24.24% Jackson
24.44% Orcadian
24.02% Irish
23.71% Graham
23.35% West Scottish
23.27% South East English
22.10% South West English

[RighNick]

I'm not sure if you're looking for more people to add, but here are my mother's K13 and v2 K15 results. She is, as far as we know, of full Isles ancestry.
K13
Population
North_Atlantic 53.18%
Baltic 23.78%
West_Med 9.84%
West_Asian 6.81%
East_Med 2.51%
Red_Sea 1.61%
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.42%
Amerindian 0.53%
Oceanian 0.09%
Northeast_African1.24%
Sub-Saharan -

K15
Population
North_Sea 35.12%
Atlantic 32.21%
Baltic 9.79%
Eastern_Euro 9.78%
West_Med 4.88%
West_Asian 5.63%
East_Med -
Red_Sea 1.50%
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.10%
Oceanian -
Northeast_African1.00%
Sub-Saharan -

[Catkin]

Are the differences in value between the first Population Percentages Gedmatch shows in your results (I think used above for most people) and the '4-Ancestors Oracle Population Percentages' just due to the more noisy population percentages having been removed for the latter and the remaining %s recalculated? I score higher %s for N. Atlantic and Baltic on the 4-ancestors one, so I'm guessing so.

[Graham]

Only a small amount. But it's best to compare everyone on either Gedmatch or all on Oracle.

[Grace O'Malley]

Only a small amount. But it's best to compare everyone on either Gedmatch or all on Oracle.

Hey Graham I just found out that my great grandmother's maiden name was Leland. The name is apparently of fully immigrant origin in Ireland from what I've read. It is the reduced form of McClelland/McLelland and is originally from Scotland. I never knew her name before and I'm not sure if my father did because both his grandparents died before he was born. I hope to find out more information. My father's family was from the Sligo/Roscommon area not too far from Donegal and Northern Ireland.

[Graham]

McLellan, McLelland are both found in South West Scotland/Argyll towards the Irish Sea. There are shared names that could have been in Ulster for hundreds of years as Catholic.

McLellan without the D I now better. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_MacLellan

[Grace O'Malley]

McLellan, McLelland are both found in South West Scotland/Argyll towards the Irish Sea. There are shared names that could have been in Ulster for hundreds of years as Catholic.

McLellan without the D I now better. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_MacLellan

There are so many names in Ireland that could have come from Scotland. I hope I can find out some more details but I'm really pleased to have the name at least.

[Grace O'Malley]

My mum's K13 results. She is from Tipperary.

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 50.42
2 Baltic 23.81
3 West_Med 12.96
4 West_Asian 8.32
5 South_Asian 2.10
6 Amerindian 1.01


Finished reading population data. 179 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Irish @ 3.143407
2 Orcadian @ 4.268422
3 West_Scottish @ 4.317485
4 Danish @ 4.982517
5 Dutch @ 5.290447
6 Southwest_English @ 5.420005
7 Southeast_English @ 6.237319
8 Norwegian @ 7.394298
9 German @ 7.910742
10 Swedish @ 9.155701
11 French @ 16.116611
12 North_Swedish @ 16.135696
13 Austrian @ 20.830246
14 Hungarian @ 22.042406
15 Spanish_Cataluna @ 23.973730
16 Southwest_French @ 24.546381
17 Southwest_Finnish @ 25.073265
18 Spanish_Cantabria @ 25.259529
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 25.292791
20 Spanish_Galicia @ 25.424046

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% Irish @ 3.143407


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Irish +25% Irish @ 3.143407


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 German + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 3.081664
2 Dutch + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 3.108889
3 Irish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 3.143407
4 German + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 3.214387
5 Dutch + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 3.288595
6 Irish + Irish + Irish + Orcadian @ 3.313056
7 German + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.403749
8 Dutch + Irish + Irish + Orcadian @ 3.412868
9 Dutch + Irish + Irish + Southwest_English @ 3.413443
10 Irish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 3.418522
11 Danish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 3.431798
12 Irish + Irish + Irish + Southwest_English @ 3.440643
13 German + Irish + Irish + Southwest_English @ 3.443280
14 German + Irish + Irish + Orcadian @ 3.456264
15 Dutch + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.514023
16 Irish + Irish + Irish + Norwegian @ 3.530645
17 Dutch + Dutch + Irish + Irish @ 3.542819
18 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Southwest_English @ 3.544218
19 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 3.563988
20 Irish + Irish + Irish + Southeast_English @ 3.565748

Done.

Elapsed time 1.3528 seconds.

K15 no Oracle available

Population
North_Sea 36.05%
Atlantic 29.16%
Baltic 10.33%
Eastern_Euro 8.21%
West_Med 7.91%
West_Asian 5.88%
East_Med -
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 1.75%
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.67%
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[Grace O'Malley]

Can anyone tell me what's the difference between West Scots and Orcadian? My brother and I get West Scot as the 2nd option in the Eurogenes 13 and 15 and my mother gets Orcadian. Here's my daughter's results and she doesn't even get Irish first but Southwest English yet she is of fully Irish descent. Her father's family has a Norman name and are from Co Wexford.

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 52.45
2 Baltic 21.08
3 West_Med 14.89
4 West_Asian 5.98
5 East_Med 1.74
6 Amerindian 1.42


Finished reading population data. 179 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southwest_English @ 2.324805
2 West_Scottish @ 3.628885
3 Irish @ 3.984156
4 Orcadian @ 4.483572
5 Southeast_English @ 4.967602
6 Danish @ 5.963890
7 Dutch @ 7.342477
8 German @ 9.932018
9 Norwegian @ 10.261133
10 Swedish @ 12.222178
11 French @ 14.537194
12 North_Swedish @ 19.171436
13 Spanish_Cataluna @ 21.513493
14 Southwest_French @ 21.836306
15 Spanish_Cantabria @ 22.502827
16 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 22.682549
17 Austrian @ 23.050852
18 Spanish_Galicia @ 23.271732
19 Portuguese @ 23.817028
20 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 24.170296

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Southwest_English +50% Southwest_English @ 2.324805


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Southwest_English +25% Southwest_English +25% West_Scottish @ 2.214156


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.214156
2 Irish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.261267
3 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.324805
4 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.463472
5 Irish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.506353
6 Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.548081
7 Irish + Irish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.604744
8 Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.694502
9 Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.761277
10 Irish + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.775503
11 Irish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.817932
12 Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.827216
13 Danish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.878820
14 Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.954555
15 Southeast_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.965321
16 Irish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.002059
17 Irish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 3.031642
18 Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 3.043941
19 Danish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 3.070252
20 Irish + Irish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 3.088658

Done.

[Black Wolf]

Would it be possible to add my mother and aunt to the list later on today? They were both born in Canada but are of 100% British and Irish ancestry.

[Graham]

Orcadians are a mix of Norse and pict as the last two ancestral groups and argyll is basically just Irish of the old dalriadans. The Norse I could add mostly settled Scotland,Ireland and Cumbria.

[Graham]

http://www.ccsna.org/kids/argyl.JPG
Dal Riata 580–600, Pictland in yellow.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a3/Dalriada.jpg
Pictish Brochs( 100 BC -100 AD) & stones in Orkney
http://tenthmedieval.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/carver_brochsetc.png
http://www.mathstat.strath.ac.uk/outreach/pictish/DatesWeb_pics/image004.gif

[Grace O'Malley]

Orcadians are a mix of Norse and pict as the last two ancestral groups and argyll is basically just Irish of the old dalriadans. The Norse I could add mostly settled Scotland,Ireland and Cumbria.

I've just received my mother's COA and after Ireland and the UK the next country is Finland at 0.6. How very odd? I'm waiting for her AC to come through.