Galicians (Northwest Spain)

[Falkata]

The pics were taken in a folk festival in my homecity

http://www.dimehoteles.com/Imagenes/mapasituacion-Vigo-729.gif

http://www.vigoenfotos.com/imagenes/ocio/muneira06/g_vigoenfotos_8643k.jpg
http://www.vigoenfotos.com/imagenes/ocio/muneira06/g_vigoenfotos_8655k.jpg
http://www.vigoenfotos.com/imagenes/ocio/muneira06/g_vigoenfotos_8649k.jpg
http://www.vigoenfotos.com/imagenes/ocio/muneira06/g_vigoenfotos_8479k.jpg
http://www.vigoenfotos.com/imagenes/ocio/muneira06/g_vigoenfotos_8578k.jpg
http://www.vigoenfotos.com/imagenes/ocio/muneira06/g_vigoenfotos_8533k.jpg
http://www.vigoenfotos.com/imagenes/ocio/muneira06/g_vigoenfotos_8510k.jpg
http://www.vigoenfotos.com/imagenes/ocio/muneira06/g_vigoenfotos_8474k.jpg
http://www.vigoenfotos.com/imagenes/ocio/muneira06/g_vigoenfotos_8581k.jpg
http://www.vigoenfotos.com/imagenes/ocio/muneira06/g_vigoenfotos_8616k.jpg
http://www.vigoenfotos.com/imagenes/ocio/muneira06/g_vigoenfotos_8660k.jpg
http://www.vigoenfotos.com/imagenes/ocio/muneira04/g_vigoenfotos_7177d.jpg
http://www.vigoenfotos.com/imagenes/ocio/muneira04/g_vigoenfotos_7100d.jpg
http://www.vigoenfotos.com/imagenes/ocio/muneira04/g_vigoenfotos_7095d.jpg
http://www.vigoenfotos.com/imagenes/ocio/muneira04/g_vigoenfotos_7074d.jpg
http://www.vigoenfotos.com/imagenes/ocio/muneira04/g_vigoenfotos_7073d.jpg
http://www.vigoenfotos.com/imagenes/ocio/muneira04/g_vigoenfotos_7064d.jpg

[Oinakos Growion]

Well, for the record, here's a set of pictures of Galicians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galician_people). I've tried to find persons who, to the best of my knowledge, are 100% Galician and Galician only.
I went for a random selection of famous people (easier to google :P) and random groups (towards the end). I could have made it all blondes or brunettes, and even redheads, but it's reality we're trying to reflect here, right? I mean, types of native people you could find on the street.

And sure, the Spanish members in the forum could say "hey! they're Spanish too!". Yeah well, whatever, in political terms they're right and I won't discuss that. But since we're recognized as a differentiated ethnic group I'll still post the pics here, for the record, as I said ;)

Paula Vázquez (TV presenter)
http://servicios.laverdad.es/panorama/fotos/gent040605.jpg

Nacho Novo (footballer)
http://d.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/ng/sp/empics/20090801/21/2193898889-01082009212730.jpg

Míchel Salgado (footballer)
http://www.topnews.in/files/michel-salgado.jpg

Bieito Romero (musician)
http://www.blogoteca.com/upload/bit/arti/591-80664-a-bieito.jpg

Carlos Núñez (musician)
http://www.daktari-music.com/images/stories/photos/nunez-hr.jpg

Xavier López Noya (athlete)
http://www.apeneira.com/dixital/images/stories/deportes/gomez_noya_mundo.jpg

Susana Seivane (musician) *sigh* :D
http://www.boa.es/promocion/susana_seivane/10002035_img/seivane_03.jpg

Maria Castro (actress) *sight* part II :D
http://tvoh.es/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/maria-20castro-small.jpg

Martiño Rivas (actor)
http://www.culturagalega.org/avg/avg_imax/retratos/marinorivas.jpg

Silvia Jato (journalist)
http://www.swotti.com/tmp/swotti/cacheC2LSDMLHIGPHDG8=/imgSilvia%20Jato2.jpg

Luís Tosar (actor)
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_nDQSsJY2Oto/SWei6BWmalI/AAAAAAAAAaE/HcBjGwSkn9I/s400/luis+tosar.JPG

Óscar Pereiro (cyclist)
http://www.equipecyclistecaisse-epargne.fr/Fiche%20Oscar%20Pereiro%202007.jpg

Xosé Manuel Budiño (musician)
http://pics.myspaceprofiles.org/718/l/209620718.jpg

Sonia Castelo (journalist)
http://www.cuatro.com/recorte/20090310ctoultpro_66/FG663H/Ies/

Manuel Rivas (writer/poet)
http://www.srpublications.com/tools/Foreign_language/images/manuel_rivas.jpg

Luz Casal (singer)
http://nancyzamher.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/luz_casal1.jpg

Cristina Saavedra (journalist)
http://www.elcorreogallego.es/img/noticias/20090823/24cuerpo_284812.jpg

"O Gayoso" (believe it or not, the main star of Galician TV :D)
http://malodeaturar.blogaliza.org/files/2006/06/Gayoso%20chimp%C3%ADn.jpg

Iolanda Castaño (again, believe it or not, she's a writer/poet, not a pornstar)
https://lgsxx.wikispaces.com/file/view/yolanda_castanho.jpg/74547443/yolanda_castanho.jpg

And to keep it balanced:

Xosé Manuel Beiras (politician; left wing)
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_tNB3cuIaR1I/RoQaUza8EfI/AAAAAAAAAvs/pkGk0Tar2y4/s320/15c_28214.jpg

Xosé Cuiña (politician; right wing)
http://www.laregion.es/resize.php?pic=imagenes/elementos/168_MD15%285732%29.jpg&tipo=350

Random groups:

Random bagpipers and other people at some random festivity
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/Gaiteiros_em_romaria_galega.jpg

And more
http://adventurezone.com.br/img_editor/10.%20Banda%20galega.JPG

Random musicians (yeah, we spent half of our time playing music, so what? :D)
http://www.vigoenfotos.com/imagenes/ocio/concierto/g_vigoenfotos_1779c.jpg

Lots of Galicians in the one place. Party? yay!
http://www.elcorreogallego.es/servicios/galeriagrafica/1066/grandes/15687.jpg

Historical reenactment of the attempted Viking conquest of Galicia. They put up a decent fight but we sent them back home with some bruises ;) The girl in the pic is taking it a bit too seriously though... :D
http://estaticos.20minutos.es/img/2008/08/04/855120.jpg

Not the only one!
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2501/3818215955_37580f9f0f.jpg

Would you jump in the middle of a bunch of wild horses and bring them down to tame them? We call that partying too :)
http://www.magazinetimepass.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/rapa_das_bestas-spanish_horse_wrestling_festival3.jpg

http://www.xabierpita.es/upload/090707/sabucedo.jpg

Although in this one I think she got the target wrong! lol
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_40MRpOLQdB4/SLnnDvmAybI/AAAAAAAABGU/r_UO_l01J3g/s400/horsewrestling15.jpg

Leap of faith
http://i34.tinypic.com/2nunhns.jpg

(no harm is done to the horses it must be said; they're wild but they also "know" this happens once a year, so they even "play" with the humans ;))

I'll post more some other day... Requests accepted :P

[Sahson]

Grazie signor,

Thank you for sharing Paula Vázquez, Cristina Saavedra, they are very nice looking.

I think I am somewhat similar to the Galician, clicky (http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu120/SoliloCey/NewHaircut.jpg). Would I stand out among the Galicians?

[Falkata]

Good post, maybe we should merge them?

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12661

[Treffie]

Threads merged.

[Oinakos Growion]

Ah! there was a thread already! My apologies. This happens for not using the "search" option before posting stuff... :D


Thank you for sharing Paula Vázquez, Cristina Saavedra, they are very nice looking
Oh yeah :cool:


I think I am somewhat similar to the Galician, clicky (http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu120/SoliloCey/NewHaircut.jpg). Would I stand out among the Galicians?
Not stand out, but I guess you wouldn't be automatically recognized as a Galician either. You could "pass" though. The people above is people you see and say "hellyeah, they couldn't be from somewhere else" (in our eyes).
I'm not that good at explaining exactly why, but one can tell native Galicians from other people and I guess it has to do mostly with the nose and overall facial structure and shape. Pigmentation, eye colour, etc comes later.
Older folk are very good at spotting who's who and even telling regions within Galicia; this is getting lost as we're slowly but gradually getting "multi-cultural" :P

[Bridie]

Maria Castro looks like a typical British lass. And Luis Tosar looks much like Robbie Williams. :p

[Oinakos Growion]

Maria Castro looks like a typical British lass
Yep. But I still find her the "typical Galician redhead" ;) Too bad they're on the decrease... They never were too many, but still, it wasn't rare. Soon it'll become rare though.
My maternal grandma was a redhead and that was the end on my family line :'(


And Luis Tosar looks much like Robbie Williams
Sweetbabyjaysus!!! :D Now I'll have nightmares! :D

[Bridie]

Yep. But I still find her the "typical Galician redhead" ;) Too bad they're on the decrease... They never were too many, but still, it wasn't rare. Soon it'll become rare though.
My maternal grandma was a redhead and that was the end on my family line :'(
Not the end, quite likely. Red hair is a recessive trait. :p

[Oinakos Growion]

Well, she was a redhead with bluish/greenish eyes (according to what my mother says) and grandpa on that side had dark hair/blue eyes. My mother ended up being blonde/blue eyes, go figure.
On the paternal side they're all blonde/blue eyes (father, grandparents, etc).
I ended up dark hair/blue eyes (maternal grandpa) and my brothers and sisters blonde/blue eyes. I actually stand out in the family :P
The only hints of the maternal grandma would be some random red hair in the beard if I let it grow and one of my sisters with a greenish shade in the blue of her eyes :P
But hey, who knows, maybe if I have enough children... :D

[Sahson]

Ah! there was a thread already! My apologies. This happens for not using the "search" option before posting stuff... :D


Oh yeah :cool:


Not stand out, but I guess you wouldn't be automatically recognized as a Galician either. You could "pass" though. The people above is people you see and say "hellyeah, they couldn't be from somewhere else" (in our eyes).
I'm not that good at explaining exactly why, but one can tell native Galicians from other people and I guess it has to do mostly with the nose and overall facial structure and shape. Pigmentation, eye colour, etc comes later.
Older folk are very good at spotting who's who and even telling regions within Galicia; this is getting lost as we're slowly but gradually getting "multi-cultural" :P

non, podo entender o que está dicindo Oinakos Growion. Sei que o meu nariz destaca da multitude, pero eu penso que a estrutura do rostro era semellante ao seu pobo. Meu pai é o apelido se quere que sexa de orixe Bretaña, entón, quizais unha cousa celtic? Estou moi impresionado que os máis vellos poden dicir a diferenza entre o seu tipo.

[Oinakos Growion]

O dito, nom serias "estranho", mas tamém nom "automaticamente" galego/galaico. Aliás, estou a falar da comparaçom de pessoal com umha ascendência 100% galega, claro.
You wouldn't stand out but wouldn't be automatically recognised as Galician either. Then again, I'm comparing with people who are 100% natives.


Estou moi impresionado que os máis vellos poden dicir a diferenza entre o seu tipo
Pode-se dizer que hai umhas determinadas tipologias dependendo da zona - mais umha vez, falando só de pessoal exclusivamente nativo. Umha velha até quase sabe de que família és com umha olhada :D Eu ainda estou a aprender mas vou fazendo :) Lembremos que, tradicionalmente, quando um se identifica na Galiza tem de dizer o nome da família (da nai!) e a paróquia de procedência.
One could say there's different "types" depending on the area (shire), but then again I'm talking about pure natives only. Some old ladies could even say your family by taking one look at you! I'm still learning. Let's remember that when you identify yourself in Galicia, in the traditional way, you have to say the name of your family (on the mother's side!) and parish of origin

[Kosovo je Sjrbia]

people from Galicia, Region in northwestern Spain, on the Atlantic Ocean.

All the photos are taken from WIKIPEDIA

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:People_of_Galicia_(Spain)

Famous Galician, there is also the Great Francisco Franco.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Galegos_de_soa.jpg

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Galegos_de_soa.jpg

common people still from wikipedia

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tico.jpg

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ignacio_Vilar.jpg

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:A_Franqueira,_Mondariz-Balneario,_Galiza.jpg

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:A_Pobra_do_Carami%C3%B1al_-_O_presidente_de_Portos_de_Galicia,_na_inauguraci% C3%B3n_dos_novos_pantal%C3%A1ns.jpg

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Carpinteiro,_Galicia_(Spain).jpg

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:VI_festa_da_filloa_da_pedra_na_Ba%C3%B1a._Gal icia._2009.jpg

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ru%C3%ADdo_Noise_041113GFDL.JPG

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Miguel_Bugallo_1974.jpg

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Neno_galego_xogando.jpg

[Kosovo je Sjrbia]

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:C%C3%A1ndido_Paz%C3%B3.JPG

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Musket_Man._Mosquete_na_festa_da_Reconquista. _Vigo.jpg

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:O_Ferreiro,_Santiago_de_Compostela.jpg

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Asociaci%C3%B3n_cultural_Altofalante._Ribeira ,_Galicia.jpg

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Marta,_Escola_de_m%C3%BAsica_e_baile_tradicio nal_Concello_de_Ames_.jpg

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Marcial_Gondar_Portasany.jpg

[Kosovo je Sjrbia]

why don't we see the pictures??????????????????? :(

[Lábaru]

why don't we see the pictures??????????????????? :(

Because are not available for Moros de mierda as you.

But not waste the thread, let me put some pictures of your people

http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/5439/allah4ll.jpg

http://irateiconoclast.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/nuke-mecca.jpg?w=221&h=228

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_CFA81NyTvFo/Syay4JzGvII/AAAAAAAAHKs/Kfl7OAZkGno/s400/pig-allah.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_8gzksYh-otk/TNaBcFlzRjI/AAAAAAAAAAM/ydh360tVzcE/s1600/allah_pig.jpg


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_LcTz0dkKeS8/S4LycSHMNTI/AAAAAAAAANU/4svx8odAJ8A/s320/fuck+mahoma.bmp

[Kosovo je Sjrbia]

Because are not available for Moros de mierda as you.

But not waste the thread, let me put some pictures of your people

http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/5439/allah4ll.jpg

http://irateiconoclast.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/nuke-mecca.jpg?w=221&h=228

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_CFA81NyTvFo/Syay4JzGvII/AAAAAAAAHKs/Kfl7OAZkGno/s400/pig-allah.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_8gzksYh-otk/TNaBcFlzRjI/AAAAAAAAAAM/ydh360tVzcE/s1600/allah_pig.jpg


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_LcTz0dkKeS8/S4LycSHMNTI/AAAAAAAAANU/4svx8odAJ8A/s320/fuck+mahoma.bmp

what are those pictures?
These thread was about Galicians, not on fuckin arabs, but as I' ve said probably you're agree with me and about the history which learn that Spain was has been an arab country divided in caliphats.




:)

In any case you can say whatever you like I' m Serbian and ortodox. And Proud.
I don't know how a muslim troll must pretend to be Serbian to insult Spaniards. If I was a troll I should insult Albanians or Croats.


but I' m agree only about a singolar thing with you, I hate muslim, or do you really think I am a moor?
hahahahahah

in your opinion a muslim may post this image?

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/93/210462192_db867af7a6_o.jpg

if i was really muslim I would commit a sin, but as I have repeated millions of times I' m an ortodox and proud, and you're only a poor dark spaniard who think to be nordish,

Why don't you post a pic of you? I' m curious!! hahahahah

you're only a troll!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your insults reveals you're really a child without a brain.

[Kosovo je Sjrbia]

and please why don't you try to find my IP? You can understand I' m in London now, and in a post in this thread http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5067&page=15
you can see without doubts I' m serbian!!!!!!!!!!!

so shut up troll!!!
The only troll is you!
not me although I' m in this site only for a month.

[Korbis]

http://listphobia.com/wp-content/uploads/execution_of_a_viet_cong_guerrilla.jpg

[Agrippa]

Pictures don't work and I see only ad hominem. Makes little sense so far.

Thread closed and if you have pictures which work, make a second one - and then no such quarellings. This is like a kindergarten.

[Falkata]

Galicians from my homecity celebrating the independence from Napoleon´s France

http://mas.farodevigo.es/galeria/img/2011/3/1041/9505475604d9043311a7682.94965251-A2-3326993.jpg

http://mas.farodevigo.es/galeria/img/2011/3/1041/2320953324d904333cadce6.03851389-A2-3327000.jpg

http://mas.farodevigo.es/galeria/img/2011/3/1041/9185210674d9043289d0cb0.47556112-A2-3324195.jpg

http://mas.farodevigo.es/galeria/img/2011/3/1041/15690334874d90432bb8b1c9.80037605-A2-3324210.jpg

http://mas.farodevigo.es/galeria/img/2011/3/1041/7523320464d90432d0a77e0.11111102-A2-3326983.jpg

http://mas.farodevigo.es/galeria/img/2011/3/1041/21260920714d90432eec7709.12723903-A2-3326987.jpg

http://mas.farodevigo.es/galeria/img/2011/3/1041/17982184174d90432e8f2036.40566124-A2-3326986.jpg

[Sikeliot]

Most of these people look like they could be French.

[Lábaru]

These people are from the area of the Rías Baixas, Falkata?

[Falkata]

These people are from the area of the Rías Baixas, Falkata?

Vigo. Although the majority of people from Vigo have grandparents from other parts of Galicia (including myself) since Vigo was just a village at the beginning of the XX century and it grew really fast in just 100 years

[Jnovais]

Most of these people look like they could be French.

I agree.
I`m surprised because they look whiter than portuguese people

[Sikeliot]

I agree.
I`m surprised because they look whiter than portuguese people

It's not really a matter of whiter, but while I do think many Iberians and French have overlap in general, there is a look that I can usually identify as being distinctly Portuguese, and it's surprising that given Galicia's geographical proximity to Portugal, they don't have it too.

[Foxy]

They look like Italians. None of them is exotic, at least where I live. I'd like to know if the other Italians on this forum agree...

[alzo zero]

They look like Italians. None of them is exotic, at least where I live. I'd like to know if the other Italians on this forum agree...
No one of them look exotic to me and actually many look familiar but I'm not saying because some won't like it...Ooops too late. ;)

[Sikeliot]

If you guys mean north and central Italians, I can see the resemblance, actually.

[gold_fenix]

In the case of Galicians the facial features they considere celtic don't come from they , Galicia received a important amount of germanic people but Galician fortunately have preserved part of the Celtic culture, that is important and wonderful

[Sikeliot]

In the case of Galicians the facial features they considere celtic don't come from they , Galicia received a important amount of germanic people but Galician fortunately have preserved part of the Celtic culture, that is important and wonderful

Old Irish legends used to say that the Gaelic populations of the British Isles originated in Galicia.

[Ouistreham]

Galician fortunately have preserved part of the Celtic culture

– Erh.... Which part?

Honestly, I fail to find anything Celtic in Galician popular culture.

[Sikeliot]

Galician music does make use of bagpipes.

[Ouistreham]

Galician music does make use of bagpipes.

– And?
Bagpipes aren't specifically Celtic in any way. All provinces of Europe once used bagpipes for their popular music (until they were replaced by accordions in the late 19th century). Arabs and Turks also have bagpipes...

[alzo zero]

All provinces of Europe once used bagpipes for their popular music (until they were replaced by accordions in the late 19th century).
Actually this is true. In Italy they go by a different name but at present "bagpipes" are used more in the south (especially in regions of herders like Abruzzo and Molise) than in the north, although only the north was Gallic.

Anyway I think that people claiming that Galicia is a celtic "nation" base this on more reasons than just bagpipes, only don't ask me what as I'm not knowledgeable about Galicia...

[Sikeliot]

Actually this is true. In Italy they go by a different name but at present "bagpipes" are used more in the south (especially in regions of herders like Abruzzo and Molise) than in the north, although only the north was Gallic.

Anyway I think that people claiming that Galicia is a celtic "nation" base this on more reasons than just bagpipes, only don't ask me what as I'm not knowledgeable about Galicia.



It's partly because the Gaelic peoples were said to originate there, and also because I believe (but am not sure) that Galicia was the last region of Iberia to stop speaking a Celtic language.

[antonio]

Indeed. That nowadays they are the folklore musical instrument of reference on excentric areas of Europe do not mean at all they were not widespread used at past centuries. In fact that's the true. Guitars, violins, acordeons...more expensive and hard to build instruments were the bagpipe killers in the more developed and centered areas.

[antonio]

In the case of Galicians the facial features they considere celtic don't come from they , Galicia received a important amount of germanic people but Galician fortunately have preserved part of the Celtic culture, that is important and wonderful

In fact, the features of many Galicians are too fair to be average Celtic, in fact they're Nordic. Moreover, the German(Suebian) microtoponimy is overwhelming. Your last paragraph is more debatable, I bet many of that hipotetical Celtic culture is part of a phony modern and well-documented attempt to find European brothers outside poor Iberia.
:D

Pd. For example, the association of bagpipes and Celtism makes part of that attempt.

[Ibericus]

– Erh.... Which part?

Honestly, I fail to find anything Celtic in Galician popular culture.
How not ? The Muñeira Ribeirana for example is a typical folkloric dance and it's considered Celtic, it was already documented in the 14th century.
Also the galician mythology (or asturian, cantabrian, etc) share many elements with other celtic mythologies.

[Ibericus]

Galician actress Maria Castro :

http://fotos0.mundofotos.net/2009/15_03_2009/cinemastars1237114318/maria-castro.jpg

[Falkata]

I dont believe in any of the two extreme positions. In one hand you have some separatists claiming to be celts to distinguish Galicia from the rest of Spain and in the other people who deny every single link with the other atlantic regions (aka "celts"). Those links exist although they were very exagerated (imo) by the romantic nationalism in the XIX and in the beginning of the XX century

Some genetic links

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article480753.ece

"Historians have long believed the British Isles were swamped by a huge invasion of Iron Age Celts from central Europe in about 500BC. But geneticists at Trinity College, Dublin, now claim the Irish and Scots have as much, if not more, in common with the people of Galicia in Spain.

Dr Daniel Bradley, a genetics lecturer at Trinity, said a new study into Celtic origins revealed close affinities with the people of Galicia. “It’s well known that there are cultural relations between the areas but now this shows there is much more,” he said.

“We think the links are much older than the Iron Age because they also show affinities with the Basque region — which isn’t Celtic. The links point towards other Celtic nations, in particular Scotland, but they also point to Spain.”

[Comte Arnau]

Bagpipes are clearly not a reason. All Iberian ethnicities have their own bagpipe, even if the most well-known and played are the Galician and Asturian ones. Bagpipes are played or have been played in most places from Europe to India and other parts of the world too.

[Alvarado]

I dont believe in any of the two extreme positions. In one hand you have some separatists claiming to be celts to distinguish Galicia from the rest of Spain and in the other people who deny every single link with the other atlantic regions (aka "celts"). Those links exist although they were very exagerated (imo) by the romantic nationalism in the XIX and in the beginning of the XX century

Some genetic links

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article480753.ece

"Historians have long believed the British Isles were swamped by a huge invasion of Iron Age Celts from central Europe in about 500BC. But geneticists at Trinity College, Dublin, now claim the Irish and Scots have as much, if not more, in common with the people of Galicia in Spain.

Dr Daniel Bradley, a genetics lecturer at Trinity, said a new study into Celtic origins revealed close affinities with the people of Galicia. “It’s well known that there are cultural relations between the areas but now this shows there is much more,” he said.

“We think the links are much older than the Iron Age because they also show affinities with the Basque region — which isn’t Celtic. The links point towards other Celtic nations, in particular Scotland, but they also point to Spain.”

Interesting, but these kind of studies have also been used to "prove" the moorish ancestry of Spaniards. One could say that some people deny every possible link with the other side of the mediterranean.

[Foxy]

Actually this is true. In Italy they go by a different name but at present "bagpipes" are used more in the south (especially in regions of herders like Abruzzo and Molise) than in the north, although only the north was Gallic.

Anyway I think that people claiming that Galicia is a celtic "nation" base this on more reasons than just bagpipes, only don't ask me what as I'm not knowledgeable about Galicia...

Indeed as you said in Abruzzo our typical hinstrument is this:

http://archivio.blogsicilia.it/wp-content/uploads/Zampogna.JPG

a typical Abruzzese hinstrument on a typical Abruzzese-looking guy in a typical Abruzzese folk costrume in a typical Abruzzese landscape.
We call our bagpipe "zampogna". It was a Samnitic hinstrument used mostly to honour Pan.
The hinstrument has later been exported in the other areas where Samnites went: Lazio, Campania and during the Kingdom of thr Two Sicilies was diffused in the whole South. It exists also in Emilia-Romagna anyway.

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[alzo zero]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article480753.ece
The link doesn't work sorry. Can you please summarize it? Is it based on autosomal DNA or on Y-DNA?

[antonio]

Last traditional NorthAragonese bagpiper, at a decade: early sixties) where at Zaragoza and Madrid had yet decided we're all Zaragozans (from Zaragoza, the old Colonia CaesarAugusta, region head at the Ebro river) and played guitars. The curious thing is we're so few (or are so diluted) noone seems to complain about it. At least, for the sake of the true, such cultural traits are being retrieved (with more will than correctness, I presume).

Showing the same type, made of a complete lamb skin, dress up with a kind of feminine clothes, and with some tubes covered with snake skin.

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/5120/061ws.th.jpg (http://img709.imageshack.us/i/061ws.jpg/)

Ps. Click pic to enlarge.

[perikolez]

If galicians are celtic, basques are nordic:D. Galicians arent many more ligher than average northern spaniard. I would say that they are similar to promediate iberian.Even I would say that there are more dark types in Galicia than in Basque Country.

[Falkata]

If galicians are celtic, basques are nordic:D. Galicians arent many more ligher than average northern spaniard. I would say that they are similar to promediate iberian.Even I would say that there are more dark types in Galicia than in Basque Country.

I think you´ll find probably more diversty both ligther and darker types.
You can find more swarthy types inland while in the coast ligther types and a high (by southern euro standards at least) % of redheads as well.

[Ibericus]

If galicians are celtic, basques are nordic:D. Galicians arent many more ligher than average northern spaniard. I would say that they are similar to promediate iberian.Even I would say that there are more dark types in Galicia than in Basque Country.
Yes, but I don't know why people associate Celts with nordic types because of how British people look, when British are mostly nordic-germanic, not celtic.

[Sikeliot]

Yes, but I don't know why people associate Celts with nordic types because of how British people look, when British are mostly nordic-germanic, not celtic.


If it's really true that Iberia had the largest Celtic presence in all of Western Europe, it is an Iberian phenotype that should be the standard for what is "Celtic looking". ;)

[alzo zero]

If it's really true that Iberia had the largest Celtic presence in all of Western Europe, it is an Iberian phenotype that should be the standard for what is "Celtic looking". ;)
Where did you read that? What about France (Gallia Transalpina)?

[Ibericus]

Where did you read that? What about France (Gallia Transalpina)?
well, this is from the University of Wisconsin, Celtic studies :

"Modern scholarship, however, has clearly proven that Celtic presence and influences were most substantial in Iberia (with perhaps the highest settlement saturation in Western Europe), particularly in the western and northern regions."

Alberto J. Lorrio, Gonzalo Ruiz Zapatero (2005). "The Celts in Iberia: An Overview". E-Keltoi: Journal of Interdisciplinary Celtic Studies 6: 167–254. http://www.uwm.edu/Dept/celtic/ekeltoi/volumes/vol6/6_4/lorrio_zapatero_6_4.html.

[alzo zero]

well, this is from the University of Wisconsin, Celtic studies :

"Modern scholarship, however, has clearly proven that Celtic presence and influences were most substantial in Iberia (with perhaps the highest settlement saturation in Western Europe), particularly in the western and northern regions."

Alberto J. Lorrio, Gonzalo Ruiz Zapatero (2005). "The Celts in Iberia: An Overview". E-Keltoi: Journal of Interdisciplinary Celtic Studies 6: 167–254. http://www.uwm.edu/Dept/celtic/ekeltoi/volumes/vol6/6_4/lorrio_zapatero_6_4.html.
Probably these Spanish authors are right and "perhaps" in the North and the Northwest of Iberia there really was the "highest settlement saturation in Western Europe (a term which is per se unclear as we know)", but maybe saying that Iberia in toto had the largest Celtic presence is a bit of a generalization? Especially in the light of the Romans' records that don't seem to recognize this fact.

[Sikeliot]

well, this is from the University of Wisconsin, Celtic studies :

"Modern scholarship, however, has clearly proven that Celtic presence and influences were most substantial in Iberia (with perhaps the highest settlement saturation in Western Europe), particularly in the western and northern regions."

Alberto J. Lorrio, Gonzalo Ruiz Zapatero (2005). "The Celts in Iberia: An Overview". E-Keltoi: Journal of Interdisciplinary Celtic Studies 6: 167–254. http://www.uwm.edu/Dept/celtic/ekeltoi/volumes/vol6/6_4/lorrio_zapatero_6_4.html.

And if this is true, I stand by what I said that the Iberian phenotypes should be the standard for what is deemed Celtic. ;)

[Comte Arnau]

but maybe saying that Iberia in toto had the largest Celtic presence is a bit of a generalization?

Iberia in toto certainly not, unless one thinks that Iberian and Basque languages were placed upon a previous Celtic population.

[Bridie]

I don't think one can speak of a "Celtic phenotype" at all, since the term "Celtic" refers to a language and cultural group (of which there was variation within anyway).



British are mostly nordic-germanic, not celtic. Silly comment. Since when has the UK been considered "nordic"? LOL Would be a surprise to the real nordics (Skandinavians), I'm sure. ;)

[Ibericus]

Silly comment. Since when has the UK been considered "nordic"? LOL Would be a surprise to the real nordics (Skandinavians), I'm sure. ;)
No, it's not a silly comment. I didn't call them nordic, I said they have
german-nordic ancestry. The english have largely norse ancestry, which came from Scandinavian, last time I checked they are nordic. Also part of the Anglo-Saxons came from what is today Denmark and northern Germany, also the normans were partially of nordic stock. So, yes germanic-nordic. Genetically in autosomal-dna they cluster close to nordics also. The celts didn't settle in Scandinavia, last time I check, so yes, celts were definately not of nordic appearance.

[Foxy]

Last traditional NorthAragonese bagpiper, at a decade: early sixties) where at Zaragoza and Madrid had yet decided we're all Zaragozans (from Zaragoza, the old Colonia CaesarAugusta, region head at the Ebro river) and played guitars. The curious thing is we're so few (or are so diluted) noone seems to complain about it. At least, for the sake of the true, such cultural traits are being retrieved (with more will than correctness, I presume).

Showing the same type, made of a complete lamb skin, dress up with a kind of feminine clothes, and with some tubes covered with snake skin.

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/5120/061ws.th.jpg (http://img709.imageshack.us/i/061ws.jpg/)

Ps. Click pic to enlarge.

I'm sorry, but I didn't understand what you meant. :confused: Guitar, from what I know, is an evolution of the zither, that indeed in ancient Greek was called "kythara" (note the similarity to the Italian "Chitarra"). The bagpipe played in Abruzzo is called "zampogna", probably from the Greek "symphonia". It should be the evolution of this hinstrument:

http://www.beltrami-fisarmoniche.it/grafica/ciaramella6.jpg

+ the bag, but the sound is totally different and I am not sure about it.
It's not Celtic, it's Roman-Greek.

If you listen to this Roman music that should recontruct pretty well the ancient music you clearly distinguish a sound similar to the badpipe.

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Romans did invented psychedelic music :cool:


I don't think one can speak of a "Celtic phenotype" at all, since the term "Celtic" refers to a language and cultural group (of which there was variation within anyway).


Silly comment. Since when has the UK been considered "nordic"? LOL Would be a surprise to the real nordics (Skandinavians), I'm sure. ;)

The stereotype of the blonde Celt is based to Caesar's "De Bello Gallico" that to destroy the imagine of French Celts portrayed them as nordic barbars.

[antonio]

I'm sorry, but I didn't understand what you meant.

No, no, in fact you should consider more what I mean and less what I write. :D

[Bridie]

No, it's not a silly comment. I didn't call them nordic, I said they have
german-nordic ancestry. The english have largely norse ancestry, which came from Scandinavian, last time I checked they are nordic. Also part of the Anglo-Saxons came from what is today Denmark and northern Germany, also the normans were partially of nordic stock. So, yes germanic-nordic. Genetically in autosomal-dna they cluster close to nordics also. The celts didn't settle in Scandinavia, last time I check, so yes, celts were definately not of nordic appearance.The English certainly do not have any significant Norman ancestry. The Normans came rule over England, but very few Norman people migrated. A relatively small number of elite Normans were granted lands to preside over, but more often such titles were granted by the ruling Normans to Anglo-Saxon and Brythonic leaders. The Normans had a far greater influence in England in terms of language than they ever did in terms of genetic input.

As for Anglo-Saxon (and Viking) ancestry, well the jury's still out on that one. No one seems to know how much or how little of a (genetic) impact those populations had. Would surely have been greater in some areas and less in others though. A bit like Germanic ancestry in Spain, I suppose. :p (And don't try to tell me that all of those fair people I've seen in Spain are the result of Nordic-German ancestry, since few of them looked anything German or Skandinavian.)

Nevertheless, it should be said that Western Britain and Ireland are often strongly associated with the ancient Celts because these were the last areas to become Celtic strongholds, and the only areas in the world where Celtic languages still exist today. Yet can we say that all ancient Celts resembled modern Irish and Western British people? I don't think so. Like I said before, there was surely always variation within Celtic populations.

[Foxy]

The English certainly do not have any significant Norman ancestry. The Normans came rule over England, but very few Norman people migrated. A relatively small number of elite Normans were granted lands to preside over, but more often such titles were granted by the ruling Normans to Anglo-Saxon and Brythonic leaders. The Normans had a far greater influence in England in terms of language than they ever did in terms of genetic input.

As for Anglo-Saxon (and Viking) ancestry, well the jury's still out on that one. No one seems to know how much or how little of a (genetic) impact those populations had. Would surely have been greater in some areas and less in others though. A bit like Germanic ancestry in Spain, I suppose. :p (And don't try to tell me that all of those fair people I've seen in Spain are the result of Nordic-German ancestry, since few of them looked anything German or Skandinavian.)

Nevertheless, it should be said that Western Britain and Ireland are often strongly associated with the ancient Celts because these were the last areas to become Celtic strongholds, and the only areas in the world where Celtic languages still exist today. Yet can we say that all ancient Celts resembled modern Irish and Western British people? I don't think so. Like I said before, there was surely always variation within Celtic populations.

Yes but the Celts of Great Britain where "Britons". There was some difference between Cisalpines, Celtiberes, Britons and Gauls (at least culturally). :D

[Bridie]

Yes but the Celts of Great Britain where "Britons". There was some difference between Cisalpines, Celtiberes, Britons and Gauls (at least culturally). :DYes, and surely there were minor racial differences between Celtic sub-groups too. That's why I said that although Western Britain and Ireland are often strongly associated with the Celts (due to being the last surviving strongholds) we can't say that all Celts looked like the Irish and Western Brits. There had always been too much variation (in appearances) within Celtic populations, I have to assume. So I don't think that we can really speak at all of there being a typical Celtic "look". Maybe they all had a distinctively Western European look, but I think that has to be the extent of what can be said.

[Falkata]

Some Galician deputies in the new goverment of Spain


http://comunidad.farodevigo.es/servicios/galeriasMultimedia/media/35311/imagenes/1321867043448_joseblanco.jpg
http://comunidad.farodevigo.es/servicios/galeriasMultimedia/media/35311/imagenes/1321866337328_jorquera.jpg
http://comunidad.farodevigo.es/servicios/galeriasMultimedia/media/35311/imagenes/1321866231476_olaiafernandez.jpg
http://comunidad.farodevigo.es/servicios/galeriasMultimedia/media/35311/imagenes/1321866664520_guillermomeijo.jpg
http://comunidad.farodevigo.es/servicios/galeriasMultimedia/media/35311/imagenes/1321867274452_telmomartin.jpg
http://comunidad.farodevigo.es/servicios/galeriasMultimedia/media/35311/imagenes/1321867490257_anabelenvazqeuz.jpg
http://comunidad.farodevigo.es/servicios/galeriasMultimedia/media/35311/imagenes/1321867721315_arseniofdezmesa.jpg
http://comunidad.farodevigo.es/servicios/galeriasMultimedia/media/35311/imagenes/1321867559996_antonioeiras.jpg
http://comunidad.farodevigo.es/servicios/galeriasMultimedia/media/35311/imagenes/1321867857350_juandediosruano.jpg
http://comunidad.farodevigo.es/servicios/galeriasMultimedia/media/35311/imagenes/1321867950808_jaimedeolano.jpg
http://comunidad.farodevigo.es/servicios/galeriasMultimedia/media/35311/imagenes/1321869590248_javierlosada.jpg
http://comunidad.farodevigo.es/servicios/galeriasMultimedia/media/35311/imagenes/1321869299918_franciscojfdez.jpg
http://comunidad.farodevigo.es/servicios/galeriasMultimedia/media/35311/imagenes/1321869802527_armandocastosa.jpg
http://comunidad.farodevigo.es/servicios/galeriasMultimedia/media/35311/imagenes/1321869923245_juliarodriguez.jpg
http://comunidad.farodevigo.es/servicios/galeriasMultimedia/media/35311/imagenes/1321869999079_ricardovarela.jpg

[Ausência Forçada]

Celta de Vigo Supporters, away game against Deportivo da Corunha (classic in galicia). 2011-12
http://i.imgur.com/VejC7.jpg

[Gaita]

I found these great pics of the Muñeira festival held in Vigo, Galicia. For those that are not aware the muñeira is the most traditional Galician folk dance. I figured I'd start a thread about my people. :thumbs up

http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/7F318440-28AC-462F-B43E-06940EC6DB86_zpsff641a3x.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/63BA3D50-70EE-486A-91F9-F6EC464B230B_zpsellqupmz.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/E4720E2D-F82B-4236-B739-357E35794F4E_zps5r5lkxhg.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/BDF6B100-5CD2-488E-9B1D-36F0910D596D_zpsctxp4wum.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/66F09932-3C9B-4592-B447-414F6EEC2947_zpsceum8fbc.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/43D83CC5-A9B7-410E-98D8-141F7E7887F6_zpskhq5djua.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/997CA06B-6A49-48A5-A7B3-0FA8E03F70FC_zpszdm9smfj.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/5F6EE245-435E-465A-AB38-29C8D494229D_zpsdkhenspl.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/252239D0-B481-4A3F-AB9D-574AA48B3CC5_zpstw77eipy.jpg

[Tooting Carmen]

Lovely photos.

[Shah-Jehan]

http://images.quickblogcast.com/0/4/4/2/5/261718-252440/galiciandancers.jpg?a=45

[Gaita]

http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/41195E26-BF39-4BBC-8151-B7CEDB52AECE_zpshsnm5dsi.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/8C230C17-4679-4A93-AF72-CF17589644FC_zps3oyt7ooe.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/3791F298-B08B-4812-95E6-514877F1CFC7_zpsimckrll4.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/94FEA91A-3D7E-47CA-B88C-044BB7C9F81D_zps0l1mute9.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/78053EE6-BC6B-4ECB-8390-7EAB03E5E74E_zpskmzqnv8q.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/EDDCE7B8-5AEF-4F40-AED4-B228F5FD33F1_zpsq3tqo2mh.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/EFF603F5-D8EE-4EA9-847E-679C6ECD6FD8_zpsmnjj2ee7.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/2665E76D-AAF5-477C-B137-FF6FA29A0F5C_zpszsawfusi.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/E4C5A1E3-EEC0-4756-AD24-2F3BF0B3EBA1_zps71dsl03m.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/CB5B0866-3AD8-4D38-97A2-F0D2D479FC20_zpsrsozivat.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/3BAA5B6A-6685-462B-8E22-E0A66723F374_zpszrzuu5hn.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/5633AEA0-FA2C-414B-9B85-2796C2FDE405_zps9vgmbon6.jpg

[Shah-Jehan]

Is black and white regarded as special colours in Galician culture?

[Anthropologique]

Is black and white regarded as special colours in Galician culture?

I don't think so.

Certainly, my mother (she's half Galician and ~ half N. Portuguese) has never mentioned anything about that to me.

[Gaita]

Is black and white regarded as special colours in Galician culture?

Not that I'm aware of, but most of the traditional clothing is black, white, and red. Not sure why those specific colors.

In certain provinces and towns the outfits change as well. For example in the provinces of Lugo and Ourense you find different outfits, as well as different colors such as brown, beige and green.

If you look at the pics I posted you'll see those different costumes intermingled with the dominant and more common black, white and red ones.

[Anthropologique]

More Galegos:

[Tim O'Brien]

Interesting look, I heard that Galicians are somehow related to Celtic people, and yes there are folks in Ireland saying that some people migrated to Ireland from Galicia and became the ancestors of Dark haired Irish people

[Tim O'Brien]

http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/94FEA91A-3D7E-47CA-B88C-044BB7C9F81D_zps0l1mute9.jpg
He could pass as Irish with no doubt

[Damião de Góis]

Interesting look, I heard that Galicians are somehow related to Celtic people, and yes there are folks in Ireland saying that some people migrated to Ireland from Galicia and became the ancestors of Dark haired Irish people

That's ridiculous. They need to accept that their people are naturally dark haired and stop blaiming it on foreigners.

[Graham]

Nice, you know what would be cool. If we could play Galicia in a football game. We'll bring our bagpipes in and out of ground like usual. You bring the Gaita. :) Would be a great party.

[Gaita]

http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/94FEA91A-3D7E-47CA-B88C-044BB7C9F81D_zps0l1mute9.jpg
He could pass as Irish with no doubt

Yeah, many Galicians have a pan-European look to them.

[Tim O'Brien]

That's ridiculous. They need to accept that their people are naturally dark haired and stop blaiming it on foreigners.
It's just a folk tale in Ireland, I don't take it real.

[Graham]

That's ridiculous. They need to accept that their people are naturally dark haired and stop blaiming it on foreigners.

It comes from the old Milesians tales. You know when mythology can get mixed with Fact.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milesians_(Irish)

[Tim O'Brien]

Could this Irish women named Enya pass in Galicia?
http://blogs.laweekly.com/westcoastsound/enya.gif.jpg

[Tooting Carmen]

I do see many in these photos who can pass in the British Isles, especially Wales and Ireland. Although people claim that there are no real regional differences in phenotype in Spain, there is a noticeable difference between these and the people from Murcia and Granada who Empecinado made threads about.

[Gaita]

Nice, you know what would be cool. If we could play Galicia in a football game. We'll bring our bagpipes in and out of ground like usual. You bring the Gaita. :) Would be a great party.

Yes, I agree, it would be great! :thumb001: The Galician national team, when the (BNG) the Galician nationalist party governed jointly with the socialist party, would play a friendly against another national team the week before Christmas. Before every match they would have a piper come out to play the Galician anthem.

I use to love watching those matches, and believe it or not we had a half decent team. In recent years with the PP governing, the put an end to it.

Heres the opening of the last friendly they had, it was against Ecuador at the Riazor stadium in Coruña. I get goosebumps every time I watch it. :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqqj-Ke2DeY

[Gaita]

Here is a famous Galician bagpiper, Xose Manuel Budiño, playing the march of the ancient kingdom of Galicia before another Christmas friendly also held at the Riazor stadium versus Iran. We won 3-2 btw. :D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg8TfKc2ck8

[Gaita]

I do see many in these photos who can pass in the British Isles, especially Wales and Ireland. Although people claim that there are no real regional differences in phenotype in Spain, there is a noticeable difference between these and the people from Murcia and Granada who Empecinado made threads about.

I think the biggest diffrence between us and other Iberians is that we tend to have more alpinid and maybe Atlantid types versus other parts, but I think this is the case for the entire NW.

[Tooting Carmen]

I think the biggest difference between us and other Iberians is that we tend to have more Alpinid and maybe Atlantid types versus other parts, but I think this is the case for the entire NW.

Sure.

[Gaijin]

Cristina Pato
http://www.spainculturenewyork.org/beta/cms/uploads/pics/cristina_pato_7.jpg

Susana Seivane
http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/794177/Susana+Seivane.jpg

There was another girl whose job was to blow. But I forgot her name.
Perhaps you Iberian folks can help me out.

[Anthropologique]

Interesting look, I heard that Galicians are somehow related to Celtic people, and yes there are folks in Ireland saying that some people migrated to Ireland from Galicia and became the ancestors of Dark haired Irish people

The Galicians (Gallaecians, which includes N. Portuguese) ARE very much Celtic.

[Anthropologique]

Interesting look, I heard that Galicians are somehow related to Celtic people, and yes there are folks in Ireland saying that some people migrated to Ireland from Galicia and became the ancestors of Dark haired Irish people

LMAO. That's insane. Irish dark haired types are common in Ireland and have been so for many thousands of years. Genetically, millions would have needed to migrate to Ireland to change the genome.

[Anthropologique]

Nice, you know what would be cool. If we could play Galicia in a football game. We'll bring our bagpipes in and out of ground like usual. You bring the Gaita. :) Would be a great party.

I agree! For the championship of the Atlantic facade / Atlantic Celticity. :cool:

[Anthropologique]

Could this Irish women named Enya pass in Galicia?
http://blogs.laweekly.com/westcoastsound/enya.gif.jpg

Galicia and much of Portugal, Asturias and Leon.

[Tim O'Brien]

Galicia and much of Portugal, Asturias and Leon.
:thumb001:

[Gaita]

Bump

[Proctor]

Interesting look, I heard that Galicians are somehow related to Celtic people, and yes there are folks in Ireland saying that some people migrated to Ireland from Galicia and became the ancestors of Dark haired Irish people

That theory isn't true, the black haired Irish are the original settlers.

[Lábaru]

That's ridiculous. They need to accept that their people are naturally dark haired and stop blaiming it on foreigners.

Do not listen to this Portuguese, summing the shipwrecked of the invincible Armada and the Galician fishermen from the Neolithic Spain are the fathers of three quarters parts of Ireland.

[Gaita]

http://YouTube.com/watch?v=zlhbmJ873qU

[Tooting Carmen]

It makes no sense, since Galicians are more genetically African than either Murcian.

Source? Since when was SSA influence important anywhere in Europe? Anyway, even if that were true, they also seem to have more Atlantid and Northern European influences, which geographically makes sense.

[Kalimtari]

that style of dancing reminds me of Portugal (sweet memories)

[Roy]

I am impressed with these hats :thumb001:

They seem to look bit different than other Spaniards. I get different vibes.

[Roy]

What's your opinion, do you think we look different than other Iberians?

When you say we are genetically more African than Murcians are you referring to SSA or NA?

You look for the most part like other Spaniards as I don't see really drastic difference similar to the one in Italy, but there's always some shift - more or less perceptible when you see groups/populations who are mainly indigenous for given place living there for many hundreds of years; the same goes with some parts of Poland. It was someone else who mentioned ''African thing''. I don't see anything from it as expected because how it would be so. Nonsense.

[Lábaru]

I do see many in these photos who can pass in the British Isles, especially Wales and Ireland. Although people claim that there are no real regional differences in phenotype in Spain, there is a noticeable difference between these and the people from Murcia and Granada who Empecinado made threads about.

You say that Granada a 20-25% can happen in British Isles, are you saying that Galicians have a lower percentage?

Anyway I have lived extensively in both places and the differences are there but are minimal, genetics supports my words, it is true that in Granada there is a 20% population that is not ethnically Spanish, part gypsy and that in Galicia is lower percentages, but the rest is basically very similar, except at folklore customs, the same person dressed in Andalusian folklore or with Asturian bagpipes playing maybe looks different to the common untrained eye.

Here is Almeria, they seem very similar to Granada, I know both places--->http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?105314-People-from-Almeria-%28SE-Spain%29&p=2175572#post2175572

[Grace O'Malley]

That's ridiculous. They need to accept that their people are naturally dark haired and stop blaiming it on foreigners.

It's not a common Irish practice. It seems to be more an American thing with the "Black Irish". The Irish themselves don't go in so much for that sort of rubbish. Some if it can be blamed on the legend of the Milesians though. With dna testing we know that the Irish and Spanish don't seem to have a particularly close genetic relationship. The Spanish and Portuguese are closer to Southern French and Northern Italian. Of all the British Isles groups you are closer to Cornish and English than the Irish.

[Grace O'Malley]

That theory isn't true, the black haired Irish are the original settlers.

I don't believe that the Irish today are very different than the original settlers. There must have been a high proportion of blue eyes and fair skin and all variety of hair colours. As Alex De Large said you can't blame everything on invaders.

[Smaug]

Lovely photos, lovely people. I'm part Minhoto so I'm very interested. They do look similar to Northern Portuguese people, both in looks and in folk costumes.

[Gaita]

Do you mean Eurogenes K13? If yes also the North East African component (modal on Horn Africans) is part of it.

Yes,
Galicians 1.25%
Murcians 1.43%

[Grace O'Malley]

They are a good looking people as are the rest of the Spanish.

[Lábaru]

Capelli, I'm deleting your participation in this thread because obviously your intention is projects on Galicians your racial complex, you need to learn to differentiate the serious threads of the threads where you have permission to dump your trash.

[Tooting Carmen]

You say that Granada a 20-25% can happen in British Isles, are you saying that Galicians have a lower percentage?


No, if you read properly, I'm saying a LOT MORE of them would pass in the British Isles than the ones from the photos of Granada and Murcia people.

[Grace O'Malley]

Just out of interest is there much R-L21 in Galicia? I know this is the most common y haplotype in the British Isles especially the Celtic parts. Also do the Galicians cluster with the rest of Spain and Portugal?

[Lábaru]

Just out of interest is there much R-L21 in Galicia? I know this is the most common y haplotype in the British Isles especially the Celtic parts. Also do the Galicians cluster with the rest of Spain and Portugal?

http://compsoc.nuigalway.ie/~dubhthach/Haplogroup-R1b-L21.gif

[Ibericus]

Just out of interest is there much R-L21 in Galicia? I know this is the most common y haplotype in the British Isles especially the Celtic parts. Also do the Galicians cluster with the rest of Spain and Portugal?
In Spain R-L21 peaks in Basques at over 20%...(Cruz et al. 2012) ...and yes Galicians are "normal" and do cluster with other Iberians we are very homogeneus :

http://abload.de/img/mds_mfa_eutest0gzcn.png

[Tooting Carmen]

In Spain R-L21 peaks in Basques at over 20%...(Cruz et al. 2012) ...and yes Galicians are "normal" and do cluster with other Iberians we are very homogeneus :

http://abload.de/img/mds_mfa_eutest0gzcn.png

Off topic: I'm still shocked at how close to the Near East and how distant from much of Europe the South Italians are even compared to the Greeks.

[Grace O'Malley]

In Spain R-L21 peaks in Basques at over 20%...(Cruz et al. 2012) ...and yes Galicians are "normal" and do cluster with other Iberians we are very homogeneus :

http://abload.de/img/mds_mfa_eutest0gzcn.png

Thanks. I was just wondering if they had some extra affinity with the Celtic populations. The Bretons appear to have one though but that is most probably explained by the Cornish and Welsh that went there in the 5th century. It would be interesting if the Galicians did.

[Smaug]

The inhabitants of Gallaecia (Galicia + Northern Portugal) were speakers of a Q-Celtic language similar to modern Goidelic languages.

[Gaita]

Thanks. I was just wondering if they had some extra affinity with the Celtic populations. The Bretons appear to have one though but that is most probably explained by the Cornish and Welsh that went there in the 5th century. It would be interesting if the Galicians did.

The Celtic connection in Iberia is an ancient one. Celtic languages were spoken on the peninsula up through the Roman occupation, after that latin was slowly adopted by the local population.

If R1b L-21 is to be considered as the marker for celticity, than the northern half of Iberia is just as Celtic as most of France and some parts west of it.

[Grace O'Malley]

The inhabitants of Gallaecia (Galicia + Northern Portugal) were speakers of a Q-Celtic language similar to modern Goidelic languages.

Thanks Uhtred. I was just wondering if there was any close genetic relationship.

[Smaug]

The Celtic connection in Iberia is an ancient one. Celtic languages were spoken on the peninsula up through the Roman occupation, after that latin was slowly adopted by the local population.

If R1b L-21 is to be considered as the marker for celticity, than the northern half of Iberia is just as Celtic as most of France and some parts west of it.

L-21 is Insular Celtic. There are other (Continental) Celtic haplogroups, such as S-128/U-152.

[Grace O'Malley]

The Celtic connection in Iberia is an ancient one. Celtic languages were spoken on the peninsula up through the Roman occupation, after that latin was slowly adopted by the local population.

If R1b L-21 is to be considered as the marker for celticity, than the northern half of Iberia is just as Celtic as most of France and some parts west of it.

I don't really think R1b L21 is a Celtic marker. It would be interesting though if the Galicians had a closer genetic relationship with Irish, Scots and Welsh but they don't seem to whereas the Bretons do but as I said previously there is most probably some historical reasons for that.

[Gaita]

I don't really think R1b L21 is a Celtic marker. It would be interesting though if the Galicians had a closer genetic relationship with Irish, Scots and Welsh but they don't seem to whereas the Bretons do but as I said previously there is most probably some historical reasons for that.

If there is one it's a very old one. It's believed that there may have been an Atlantic connection. What we know is that Celtic speaking people were absolutely present in Galicia and the Iberian peninsula in general.

[Ibericus]

The inhabitants of Gallaecia (Galicia + Northern Portugal) were speakers of a Q-Celtic language similar to modern Goidelic languages.
That is also the case with Celtiberian, spoken in Central Spain..all the hispano-celtic languages seem to be Q-Celtic

[Gaijin]

Just out of interest is there much R-L21 in Galicia? I know this is the most common y haplotype in the British Isles especially the Celtic parts.
http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v19/n1/images/ejhg2010146f1a.jpg
http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v19/n1/images/ejhg2010146f1b.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_x6Y4ZgFsZdY/THayWhv-w7I/AAAAAAAAAYw/ew7YwZrSlJI/s1600/Myres+maps+R1b1b2a1+frequencies.jpeg
Myres et al. (2010)


Also do the Galicians cluster with the rest of Spain and Portugal?
Galicians closest Relatives are the Portuguese and Leonese.

[Lábaru]

Galicians closest Relatives are the Portuguese and Leonese.

True.

The truth is that the people more related to the British Isles are the French and Belgian from Atlantic coast, of course Iberians are related but in a second category and especially no one region.

There curiosities especially in the period of the Celts and especially in the whole Cantabrian coast but it is logical due to the geographical proximity with West France and South Britain.

[Tooting Carmen]

True.

The truth is that the people more related to the British Isles are the French and Belgian from Atlantic coast, of course Iberians are related but in a second category and especially no one region.

There curiosities especially in the period of the Celts and especially in the whole Cantabrian coast but it is logical due to the geographical proximity with West France and South Britain.

You're mostly right, but on plot maps most if not all other Northern European cluster closer to the British than the Iberians do.

[Lábaru]

You're mostly right, but on plot maps most if not all other Northern European cluster closer to the British than the Iberians do.

Depends, which Northern Europeans you refers? because Finland, Lithuania, Estonia ect ... are less related and a percentage of British are located between Norwegian and Spaniards.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8211/8437291103_92212c88bf_o.png

holland, denmark and general Germanic core is more related.

[Tooting Carmen]

Depends, which Northern Europeans you refers? because Finland, Lithuania, Estonia ect ... are less related and a percentage of British are located between Norwegian and Spaniards.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8211/8437291103_92212c88bf_o.png

holland, denmark and general Germanic core is more related.

From what I can tell, the British are almost mid-way between Nordic groups and Spaniards (though still a bit closer to the former), but much closer to the Netherlands and Germany than to Iberia.

[Sikeliot]

Brits are closer to Germans than to Iberians, but Iberians are closer to both Brits and Germans than they are to southern Italians and Jews.

[Tim O'Brien]

Depends, which Northern Europeans you refers? because Finland, Lithuania, Estonia ect ... are less related and a percentage of British are located between Norwegian and Spaniards.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8211/8437291103_92212c88bf_o.png

holland, denmark and general Germanic core is more related.
So according to this map Irish are more closer to Germanic people than to Basques?

[Lábaru]

From what I can tell, the British are almost mid-way between Nordic groups and Spaniards (though still a bit closer to the former), but much closer to the Netherlands and Germany than to Iberia.

Yes.

The French are the true link between southern and northern Europe with Iberians being a little more distant link, Northern Italians can consider the next link, the rest of southern Europe is too far south or east genetically speaking.

[Tooting Carmen]

Yes.

The French are the true link between southern and northern Europe with Iberians being a little more distant link, Northern Italians can consider the next link, the rest of southern Europe is too far south or east genetically speaking.

Agreed. France is the real North-South hybrid country.

[Lábaru]

So according to this map Irish are more closer to Germanic people than to Basques?

Of course, it is a logical thing.

[Lábaru]

Agreed. France is the real North-South hybrid country.

On the other hand, Hungarians are a link too, although a bit more easternmost and northernmost than france.

[Tim O'Brien]

Of course, it is a logical thing.
I'm bit surprised, seriously as a guy of Irish decent I don't wanna related to Germanic people, the truth is too hard for me to swallow:picard2:

[Lábaru]

I'm bit surprised, seriously as a guy of Irish decent I don't wanna related to Germanic people, the truth is too hard for me to swallow:picard2:

Well, the Irish are still an unique people very different from the Germans, we only talk about percentages of closeness.

[Gaita]

Here are some more pics of the same festival but different year.

http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/86c4b88ac625e81d07f3be481a4cf817_zps0d8322b9.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/0446d4bd36055b63b5addcb6cc6dd734_zpsda470b4c.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/9b1725b503c19bf3dae8d4073e3c85f4_zps6ea81fa0.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/c618059433b89d412c674d3a60c3a9ff_zpsd44e82a9.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/c546baa3f1c0a469e19876a5e125d072_zps6500784e.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/599f39ee8b88f770c9dd81d0cc284919_zpsf6bd4085.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/672ee9e1b7723a3c7ee12cde705c3ab3_zps2167c21d.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/85d5b36cafd0859d0a87a4ac9df0d3bb_zps117d7048.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/354e8ff62d3316de1410eee3297c877f_zps24b97cdb.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/652a0efce701da50e9dd4469f9bee4d9_zpsd90437b0.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/c922badf634dc7c48da45ccae9685ade_zps5574d4c5.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/7aae365c1012ab248da8d7b02a80fcd2_zps4d651823.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/1228952454dc05b37ad5287253af3cbd_zps2ad2bd99.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/d90639cb69df69b31e7b33dd7a8fc4f1_zpsfe2b2dd2.jpg

[Kalimtari]

I've noticed quite many blue-eyed individuals among Galicians (in real life, lol)

[Gaita]

I've noticed quite many blue-eyed individuals among Galicians (in real life, lol)

Yes once in awhile you do, what you don't see is many dark eyed Galicians, usually hazel or light brown eyes are most common, IMO.

[Kalimtari]

Yes once in awhile you do, what you don't see is many dark eyed Galicians, usually hazel or light brown eyes are most common, IMO.

I totally trust you on that, but from my experiences (while living in Portugal and constantly traveling to Spain - amor :D) I've seen quite many blue eyed (always brown-haired) individuals from the respected region. Some of them were quite Irish looking, esp. one girl from Santiago.

[Anthropologique]

You tend to find more blue and green eyed individuals in NW / North Iberia. Minho, Tras-os-Montes, Douro in Portugal + Galicia, Asturias, Cantabria and the Basque country. These regions likely have more light eyes than other parts of Iberia.

[Graham]

From what I can tell, the British are almost mid-way between Nordic groups and Spaniards (though still a bit closer to the former), but much closer to the Netherlands and Germany than to Iberia.

From looking at a few of these maps. The English score closest, to the Dutch & Danish(Probably North France also). There's not much difference. The West Scots & Irish push away from those groups. But closest to the English.

[Kalimtari]

You tend to find more blue and green eyed individuals in NW / North Iberia. Minho, Tras-os-Montes, Douro in Portugal + Galicia, Asturias, Cantabria and the Basque country. These regions likely have more light eyes than other parts of Iberia.

basically, the oceanic climate belt in Iberia

[Anthropologique]

basically, the oceanic climate belt in Iberia


Yes, The Atlantic facade. A long enduring (from the Bronze Age) socio-cultural reality that insecure and uninformed people on TA constantly deny, yet they cannot proffer any evidence - because there is none - demonstrating it does not exist.

The Atlantic facade has more to do with Atlantic Celticity than genetics.

[Ibericus]

Yes, The Atlantic facade. A long enduring (from the Bronze Age) socio-cultural reality that insecure and uninformed people on TA constantly deny, yet they cannot proffer any evidence - because there is none - demonstrating it does not exist.

The Atlantic facade has more to do with Atlantic Celticity than genetics.
Well, genetically there are also "Atlantic" components that emerge on admixture analysis and peak both in Iberians and Irish (think of the "Atlantic" component on Eurogenes K15 ---> see here (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQaWJublVKOF9wWFE/edit))..., people can deny it as much as they want,....and this doesn't contradict the fact that there are is also West-Med component..:)

[Anthropologique]

Well, genetically there are also "Atlantic" components that emerge on admixture analysis and peak both in Iberians and Irish (think of the "Atlantic" component on Eurogenes K15 ---> see here (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQaWJublVKOF9wWFE/edit))..., people can deny it as much as they want,....and this doesn't contradict the fact that there are is also West-Med component..:)

Indeed ...

[Tooting Carmen]

You tend to find more blue and green eyed individuals in NW / North Iberia. Minho, Tras-os-Montes, Douro in Portugal + Galicia, Asturias, Cantabria and the Basque country. These regions likely have more light eyes than other parts of Iberia.

I'd agree with that. It is those parts of Iberia that have the most overlap with the British Isles (especially Wales, Ireland and SW England).

[Mans not hot]

Swarthies.

[Tooting Carmen]

Swarthies.

A few, yes, but as a group absolutely not. Of the people in these photos, probably around 40% of them could pass with little or no difficulty in the UK and Ireland.

[Gaita]

More pics.
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/7997abc0cf8286c83cc408fd92777187_zps697a46d2.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/22cc613ffec1e8e0b71a1738e71ffd36_zps7d57d372.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/44661544dff8f93b4a881cd350127f6f_zps21d4048c.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/6b4e6ca14d5bc63a0ab014614924515e_zps6d104830.jpg

[Gaita]

http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/950797d6b4a39eaf7e20a173e1975f4c_zps50fbfe38.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/fc355e93c6449fb1465606d5f99a1832_zps1a2cb86d.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/e03a51faadac0a5b1722206bc9b126a1_zps74372ea9.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/26639aa2c12f21ea0f80715b7e7b6f48_zps1785b056.jpg

[WOOHP]

From what I can tell, the British are almost mid-way between Nordic groups and Spaniards (though still a bit closer to the former), but much closer to the Netherlands and Germany than to Iberia.

Strange plot maps. How can Hungarians be the closest people to the French?
And look at how close non-Europeans like North Kannadi or Indian people are to Europeans.

Finns equally close to Cypriots as to Indians? I think not.

[Tooting Carmen]

Strange plot maps. How can Hungarians be the closest people to the French?
And look at how close non-Europeans like North Kannadi or Indian people are to Europeans.

Finns equally close to Cypriots as to Indians? I think not.

Actually, the French and the Hungarians are both Northern-Southern European hybrids, albeit with a West versus East shift, so that is not so far-fetched. Indians are (largely) Caucasoid, so they are not as different from Europeans as we are expected to believe. But yes, that thing about Finns is weird indeed.

[WOOHP]

I'm bit surprised, seriously as a guy of Irish decent I don't wanna related to Germanic people, the truth is too hard for me to swallow:picard2:

Spare me, please.
Scandinavians almost purely Germanic and Irish are tro00 bagpipe, whiskey drinking, leprechaun looking Celts. Still Irish are the closest people to Scandinavians. Very close to one and other.

Emrabce your Germanicness and move along.

[Graham]

Strange plot maps. How can Hungarians be the closest people to the French?
And look at how close non-Europeans like North Kannadi or Indian people are to Europeans.

Finns equally close to Cypriots as to Indians? I think not.

In Eurogenes. Hungarians & Austrians are so alike. You'd think of them as one. They are East of germany.

[Kalimtari]

Yes, The Atlantic facade. A long enduring (from the Bronze Age) socio-cultural reality that insecure and uninformed people on TA constantly deny, yet they cannot proffer any evidence - because there is none - demonstrating it does not exist.

The Atlantic facade has more to do with Atlantic Celticity than genetics.

I agree with you, but you can't deny the sun radiation hours/year

[Gaita]

I agree with you, but you can't deny the sun radiation hours/year

Yes, although Galicia and the entire northwestern coast falls in line with most of France when it comes to solar radiation.

This map is from 2006, showing solar radiation amounts in Europe.

http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/6fb31cda883b6cd784bc515010a3fe87_zps293bbe5c.jpg

[Ibericus]

I agree with you, but you can't deny the sun radiation hours/year
Galicia is known for being a rainy area, not much sun there...at least compared to rest of Spain

[B01AB20]

Nice thread Gaita. Galicians wear spectacular and nice hats btw. :D

I'm willing to do another about Aragon and Aragonese people, 'where the iberian celtiness and iberian iberianness collide' (and some basques too).

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b5/Iberia_300BC.svg

I guess the faces would be somewhat different from galicians, with more roughness, less gracile, less atlactic looking, more cromagnoid, more square craneums...

Maybe some day.

[Lábaru]

A nice song of a Galician band.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EgpCh7j78g

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luar_na_Lubre

[Anthropologique]

Swarthies.

Your definition of "swarthy" is obviously perverse. Typical ...

[Anthropologique]

A few, yes, but as a group absolutely not. Of the people in these photos, probably around 40% of them could pass with little or no difficulty in the UK and Ireland.

The clown doesn't understand that the term "swarthy" applies only to skin tone. He's also an immature malicious type.

[Grace O'Malley]

I'm bit surprised, seriously as a guy of Irish decent I don't wanna related to Germanic people, the truth is too hard for me to swallow:picard2:

I found it strange as well but when you learn more about the actual origin of the Irish instead of believing all the myths that people were taught it makes sense and is quite logical. :) You can still think of yourself as Celtic Tim it doesn't mean anyone is Germanic just similar genetics.

Can someone tell me how I find out who I've marked down because I'd like to remove it? It wasn't intentional and I don't know who I thumbed down.:confused:

[Grace O'Malley]

Spare me, please.
Scandinavians almost purely Germanic and Irish are tro00 bagpipe, whiskey drinking, leprechaun looking Celts. Still Irish are the closest people to Scandinavians. Very close to one and other.

Emrabce your Germanicness and move along.

I think Tim is being a bit tongue in cheek. I'm sure he can drown his sorrows with a bit of the craythur. :)

[SardiniaAtlantis]

As far as the Bagpipes were they used to replace a similar ancient instrument or were they adopted from other cultures?

[Grace O'Malley]

Nice, you know what would be cool. If we could play Galicia in a football game. We'll bring our bagpipes in and out of ground like usual. You bring the Gaita. :) Would be a great party.

Sorry that thumbs down was supposed to be thumbs up. :)

[Mans not hot]

Your definition of "swarthy" is obviously perverse. Typical ...
Oh ok, swarthy.

[RighNick]

I've been to Galicia many times and it's truly a unique and beautiful place. Thanks for sharing these pictures. I love seeing the different groups wearing their traditional dress- it's a really important element of an ethnicity's heritage and one that is, sadly, gradually being lost.

[GrebluBro]

Galicians and Northern Portuguese are closely related both by language and genetics

[Gaita]

As far as the Bagpipes were they used to replace a similar ancient instrument or were they adopted from other cultures?

Do you mean in general, or in Galicia specifically?

[SardiniaAtlantis]

In Galicia specifically of course I ask for a very particular reason! :)

[Gaita]

As far as the Bagpipes were they used to replace a similar ancient instrument or were they adopted from other cultures?

I don't think there's a concrete answer to that.

According to Silius Italicus, a roman consul and writer, the ancient Galician warriors marched into battle accompanied by the playing of an instrument called the "caetra" possibly a prerequisite to the modern day "gaita" or bagpipe.

Read my signature, it's the English translation of his reference to the ancient Galicians marching into battle in his book "Punica" about the Punic wars.

[SardiniaAtlantis]

The reason I ask is because in Sardinia ever since Neolithic times we have had an instrument that makes a similar sound while not being a bagpipe of any form it is instead three flutelike windpipes connected and played together each producing a different pitch.

[Gaita]

Keeping with my traditional costumes theme, more pics.

http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/9e2ab97c2435038f4ff4147ba872c7ed_zpsfe414056.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/dfaf181f9e9003044dfe8439ec2eb459_zps217ff143.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/5276146b2c3632ab211410adb643d125_zpsd1313c2b.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/b975a14bc41ebc6615b814e6f2a88a0b_zps143666f0.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/e13a8a5854adaa9872ae83921fe2a475_zps420ddc64.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/a04abd291f25e3d2b2668d348392f83f_zpsca7753e7.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/d708e20391c9bc06da71815473a3c634_zps491f6d46.jpg

[Kalimtari]

^^


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8HUf750byQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0r3FE8lkLiU

pretty similar to Portuguese dances:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeWSOvgAefE

[Anthropologique]

GALLAECIANS - Galicia, N. Portugal (+ the Beiras), W. Asturias, Leon.

These are Northern Portuguese:

[Anthropologique]

The pics were taken in a folk festival in my homecity

http://www.dimehoteles.com/Imagenes/mapasituacion-Vigo-729.gif

http://www.vigoenfotos.com/imagenes/ocio/muneira06/g_vigoenfotos_8643k.jpg
http://www.vigoenfotos.com/imagenes/ocio/muneira06/g_vigoenfotos_8655k.jpg
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http://www.vigoenfotos.com/imagenes/ocio/muneira04/g_vigoenfotos_7177d.jpg
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http://www.vigoenfotos.com/imagenes/ocio/muneira04/g_vigoenfotos_7073d.jpg
http://www.vigoenfotos.com/imagenes/ocio/muneira04/g_vigoenfotos_7064d.jpg

Vigo, Pontevedra. :thumb001:

[Anthropologique]

As far as the Bagpipes were they used to replace a similar ancient instrument or were they adopted from other cultures?

The bagpipe has been present in the Atlantic Facade since the Bronze Age and is considered an integral part of Atlantic Celticity.

[Gaita]

^^


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8HUf750byQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0r3FE8lkLiU

pretty similar to Portuguese dances:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeWSOvgAefE

Great videos, thank you very much.

Although both have some similarities, I find that the Galician dances seem abit more lively, and the movements are more rapid.

And, I love my Iberian brothers, but, sorry guys, I think our guys outfits are cooler looking, more badass.....:cool: lol

[Anthropologique]

More from Galicia:

[B01AB20]

And, I love my Iberian brothers, but, sorry guys, I think our guys outfits are cooler looking, more badass.....:cool: lol

I love you too galician brother :D, but the most notorious galicians in last times are people like this:

Pepiño.
http://www.elreferente.es/upload/noticia/14999/jose%20blanco%20se%20duerme%20interior.jpghttp://www.intereconomia.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/blog_post_imagen/49791/cck_images/blanco_5.jpg

Mariano.
http://www.gaiaespana.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Mariano-Rajoy.jpg


'cooler looking' is not the first thing that comes to mind, at least to me. :rolleyes:

[Damião de Góis]

Galicians and Northern Portuguese are closely related both by language and genetics

The word you were looking for was culture, because language and genetics don't apply just to northern portuguese.

[Lábaru]

El Generalísimo must be present in a thread of Galicia, regardless of political sides, is undoubtedly the most famous Galician.
http://www.laaventuradelahistoria.es/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Franco.gif

[Tooting Carmen]

El Generalísimo must be present in a thread of Galicia, regardless of political sides, is undoubtedly the most famous Galician.
http://www.laaventuradelahistoria.es/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Franco.gif

Not to mention his leftist cousin:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/Cuba.FidelCastro.02.jpg

[Empecinado]

Yes, Fidel Castro is half Galician. Franco and Castro had a good relationship, btw.

[Styrian Mujo]

I allways thought Franco was andalusian or something:picard2:

[Tooting Carmen]

Yes, Fidel Castro is half Galician. Franco and Castro had a good relationship, btw.

Yes, because of their shared Galician heritage, Franco actually had a personal friendship with Castro, and was the first Western leader to establish full diplomatic and economic relations with Communist Cuba. In fact, Franco's Spain became Communist Cuba's biggest trading partner outside the Soviet bloc.

[Empecinado]

Yes, because of their shared Galician heritage, Franco actually had a personal friendship with Castro, and was the first Western leader to establish full diplomatic and economic relations with Communist Cuba. In fact, Franco's Spain became Communist Cuba's biggest trading partner outside the Soviet bloc.

And el Che Guevara visited Madrid in those times:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_WRprpIdYEmY/S9mXs5glVVI/AAAAAAAAAvY/wEOdfOv8hgY/s1600/o-che-guevara-en-madrid.JPG

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KhfH5M7PRIA/TV7jOVsHEAI/AAAAAAAAAEI/iaNV4sgSl-0/s1600/famoso+che+guevara+en+los+toros+2.jpg

[Damião de Góis]

Here's something interesting, the only one that exists here in moderate numbers is Castro. So much for portuguese-galician.. :p

http://www.elcorreogallego.es/img/noticias/20080709/14_155813.gif

[Lábaru]

I allways thought Franco was andalusian or something:picard2:

Why?

[Anthropologique]

Here's something interesting, the only one that exists here in moderate numbers is Castro. So much for portuguese-galician.. :p

http://www.elcorreogallego.es/img/noticias/20080709/14_155813.gif

I've seen some recent surname maps where Vieira and Ferreira and Esteves (yes, with the Portuguese spelling) show up with some frequency on both sides of border.

[Damião de Góis]

I've seen some recent surname maps where Vieira and Ferreira and Esteves (yes, with the Portuguese spelling) show up with some frequency on both sides of border.

Vieira? Is there any link about that?

[Anthropologique]

My wife picked the names up on a European surname grid a couple a months ago. I'll check with her.

[Gaita]

Here's something interesting, the only one that exists here in moderate numbers is Castro. So much for portuguese-galician.. :p

http://www.elcorreogallego.es/img/noticias/20080709/14_155813.gif

Well, to be honest, those surnames are just as Galician as any others, I bet if you look at the stats in Portugal surnames like Lopes, Rodrigues, Fernandes.....etc outweigh any others, these are basically patronymic names that are common across the entire Iberian peninsula, just different spelling in the case of Portugal.

[Lábaru]

Castilian surnames are present in Galicia for centuries, after the Gothic invasion and then the short Muslim invasion of Galicia, many Galicians had no surnames, people often chose Castilians surnames, many other choose a professions or the word related with its job, is the case of the surname Fariña(harina) but it is a Galician surname as Domínguez, in the same way that non-Latino surnames previous to Roman invasion, the Galicians, were lost.


Galicia is not Portugal, Galicia is much more influenced by Castilian, Asturias, including Cantabria, Leon ect...

[Styrian Mujo]

Why?
Don't know I just assumed he was.

[Lábaru]

Don't know I just assumed he was.

I thought you were saying Andalusian due to his looks. Franco was Galician,but should not have too much love to Galicia I think, never did grow wealth and prosperity of his region, he focused the full force of Spain in Basque region, Catalonia and Madrid.

[Gaijin]

Galicia is not Portugal, Galicia is much more influenced by Castilian, Asturias, including Cantabria, Leon ect...

If I was Portuguese I would be offended by the that.

Gallaecia is regarded Portugal's little cradle.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/Linguistic_map_Southwestern_Europe.gif/350px-Linguistic_map_Southwestern_Europe.gif

This is Gallaecia towards Portugal and Spain.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-1-w1oImhA9k/UPgd8YyvGVI/AAAAAAAAAas/m8QbS8JGSaM/s1600/%5B%5Bportuguese%5D%5Bgalician%5D%5Bspanish%5D%5D. PNG


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2RTjxwIpGU

[Lábaru]

If I was Portuguese I would be offended by the that.

Gallaecia is regarded Portugal's little cradle.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/Linguistic_map_Southwestern_Europe.gif/350px-Linguistic_map_Southwestern_Europe.gif

This is Gallaecia towards Portugal and Spain.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-1-w1oImhA9k/UPgd8YyvGVI/AAAAAAAAAas/m8QbS8JGSaM/s1600/%5B%5Bportuguese%5D%5Bgalician%5D%5Bspanish%5D%5D. PNG


This only confirms my words, in the early stages Galicia reconquered the areas of Portugal but after Galicia was heavily influenced by its neighbors in the north and east. The pilgrimage to Camino de Santiago helped tremendously.

I can not see the offense.

[Styrian Mujo]

I thought you were saying Andalusian due to his looks. Franco was Galician,but should not have too much love to Galicia I think, never did grow wealth and prosperity of his region, he focused the full force of Spain in Basque region, Catalonia and Madrid.
Why was he anti-galician if he was galician himself?

[Lábaru]

Why was he anti-galician if he was galician himself?

He was not anti-Galician o anti Extremadura-Cantabria-Aragon ect... he simply focused the wealth on other regions.

[Empecinado]

Yes, Galicia has more in common with Asturias and Leon than with North Portugal. Also, Galicia has never been part of Portugal.

[Gaijin]

Yes, Galicia has more in common with Asturias and Leon than with North Portugal. Also, Galicia has never been part of Portugal.

Northern-Portugal was part of Gallaecia...
In fact, if one is to talk about the Ethno-Linguistic position of Iberia towards Gallecia, Portugal would be an offspring of Gallecia.

So, how does Gallaecia have more in common with Asturias and León, when they don't even share the same linguistic branch?

I understand the foothold of Léon.
But Castile???

Sorry, is Catalonia closer to Gallecia, too?

[Lábaru]

Northern-Portugal was part of Gallaecia...
In fact, if one is to talk about the Ethno-Linguistic position of Iberia towards Gallecia, Portugal would be an offspring of Gallecia.

So, how does Gallaecia have more in common with Asturias and León, when they don't even share the same linguistic branch?

I understand the foothold of Léon.
But Castile???

Sorry, is Catalonia closer to Gallecia, too?

The language is not as important, half(o more) of America has nothing to do with England, but are English speakers, besides, no one here is saying that Portugal is isolated from Galicia, only that the Castilian influence in Galicia is great.

Cataluña is not Castilia, although Castilian influence is great there too.

[Mans not hot]

Galicia je Spain.

[Empecinado]

Northern-Portugal was part of Gallaecia...
In fact, if one is to talk about the Ethno-Linguistic position of Iberia towards Gallecia, Portugal would be an offspring of Gallecia.

So, how does Gallaecia have more in common with Asturias and León, when they don't even share the same linguistic branch?

Gallaecia was a Roman province which included Galicia, Asturias, Leon and northern Portugal and when the Roman empire felt, was conquered by the Suabians who established their kingdom there (plus with other lands of Portugal that didn't were part of the Roman Gallaecia) until the Visigoths conquered it. Later, the Moors took over this land for some decades until the rebellion of Don Pelayo which ended up with the creation of the kingdom of Asturias that expanded towards south and east conquering Galicia, Leon and northern Portugal. Alfonso III divided this kingdom into 3 ones: Leon, Galicia and Asturias, but when the king of Leon died were reunified again under Leon (and hence the kingdom was renamed as kingdom of Leon). Galicia got indepence again though, but for short time periods, and when the county of Portugal got independence it was not part of Galicia but a county of the kingdom of Leon, so it's accurate to say that Portugal is offspring of Leon.

You ask how Galicians can have more in common with Leoneses and Asturians than with northern Portuguese, despite don't sharing the same linguistic branch. Easy, they have been united almost continuously for the last 2000 years whereas northern Portuguese are separated from Galicians for the last 1000 years. So nothing surprising about Galicians being closer to the Asturians and Leoneses than towards Portuguese. Also, in Western Leon and Asturias they speak dialects close to Galician.



I understand the foothold of Leon.
But Castile??? Is Catalonia too, closer to Gallecia?

Galicia was united to Castile in the times where both belonged to the kingdom of Leon, and later when both belonged to the Castilian Crown. So Galicia is united to Castile since 1230, and to Catalonia since 1492.

[Gaita]

More "Galegos"

http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab245/galizacelta78/c115d3e63cdb30667c04ab62ef475fef_zpsac95a844.jpg
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[Gaita]

Galicia je Spain.

Tak, tak.....

[Gaijin]

The language is not as important...

Portuguese sprung from Galician.

Old Portuguese (Galician-Portuguese) itself, is regarded the language of Camões.
I can't imagine Castilians speaking it. But, if you want to use that as an excuse to retain your argument. I understand.

If language isn't enough, how would Culture and Population be able to sustain?

Castro Culture. This Cultural segment is present in both Gallaecia and Portugal.
In Castile? I don't think so.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/Cultura_Castrexa.png


...half(o more) of America has nothing to do with England, but are English speakers, besides, no one here is saying that Portugal is isolated from Galicia, only that the Castilian influence in Galicia is great...

That doesn't make any sense. Portugal was not a colony, as opposed to USA.
So, you shouldn't even be comparing two countries who have been created in a perpendicular fashion.

Forthwith. You are contradicting yourself.
In the first sentence you imply that Portugal has nothing to do with Gallaecia, as USA has nothing to England. Moreover, you insist that Castilians are closer to Gallaecians than Portuguese.

You ask me if I would be offended?
Yes. I would definitely take that as an offense.


...Cataluña is not Castilia, although Castilian influence is great there too.

If you are going to talk about influences. Than I should start considering Mexicans to be Spanish.
After all they are Castilian influenced too.


Gallaecia was a Roman province which included Galicia, Asturias, Leon and northern Portugal and when the Roman empire felt...So Galicia is united to Castile since 1230, and to Catalonia since 1492.

Scottland belongs to Britain, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's English.
Galicia belongs to Spain, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's Castilian.

I don't see where does Castile fit in this whole picture.

Outsiede of Gallaecia the only people who are close related to the Gallecians are as follows:
- Bracari (Portuguese)
- Astures (Asturians)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/Gallaecia-Dioclecianus.png

This is how I see things. Castile shouldn't even dine in the same table.

[Lábaru]

Portuguese sprung from Galician.

Yes, the reconquista is always north-south, and?



I can't imagine Castilians speaking it. But, if you want to use that as an excuse to retain your argument. I understand.


I think you're very confused, you're talking nonsense, nobody is speaking here of the Galician language is Castilian.



Castro Culture. This is Cultural segment present in both Gallaecia and Portugal.
In Castile? I don't think so.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/Cultura_Castrexa.png

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castros_en_Cantabria
http://www.castrosdeasturias.es/portada
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor%C3%ADa:Castros_de_Castilla_y_Le%C3%B3n

La cultura castreña fue una cultura que se desarrolló, desde finales de la Edad del Bronce hasta principios de nuestra era, en el noroeste de la Península Ibérica, dentro de una zona que abarcaría el norte del actual Portugal desde las riberas septentrionales del río Duero, Galicia, las zonas occidentales del Principado de Asturias, provincia de León y la provincia de Zamora (también delimitada al sur por el río Duero).




That doesn't make any sense. Portugal was not a colony, as opposed to USA.
You shouldn't even be comparing both.

When the lords of Galicia began the reconquest of the south against the Moors they colonized many lands that are now Portugal many people from Galicia(and Leon, Asturias) down to the south and mixed with the ancient inhabitants of these areas, that difference them of the Galicians.

On the other hand Galician were heavily influenced by the Castilians, another source of difference between the two regions.


You are contradicting yourself..
no, you're confused, that is the problem.

In the first sentence you imply that Portugal has nothing to do with Gallaecia.

you see it? you're confused, no one here is saying that.



you insist that Castilians are closer than the Portuguese.


is a very tiring work repeat things, no, what I'm saying is that Galicia has a huge Castilian influence, while Portugal has Galician influence mixed with the ancient inhabitants of reconquered Muslim areas.


Yes. I would definitely take that as an offense..

you must blame your reading comprehension skills.




If you are going to talk about influences. Than I should start considering Mexicans to be Spanish.
After all they are Castilian influenced.

Ok, we have enough idiots in the forum but there's always room for one more.

[Empecinado]

Portuguese sprung from Galician.

Old Portuguese (Galician-Portuguese) itself, is regarded the language of Camões.
I can't imagine Castilians speaking it. But, if you want to use that as an excuse to retain your argument. I understand.

The Castilian king Alfonso X wrote his poetry in old Galician. Also, some Mozarabic dialects (the language used by Christians who lived in Muslim lands) were quite similar to Galician, in the Alpujarras mountains of Granada you can find a lot of pseudo-Galician toponimy ( Ferreira, Ferreirola, Unqueira, Corbeira...).


If language isn't enough, would Culture and the population sustain?

Castro Culture. This is Cultural segment present in both Gallaecia and Portugal.
In Castile? I don't think so.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/Cultura_Castrexa.png



The Galician and Portuguese are not so similar as you think, there are clear differences in pronunciation that make difficult to understand well even for native Galician speakers. Also, many Galicians don't speak true Galician but a dialect called Castrapo that mixes Castilian with Galician. Curiously, when the Galician government sent official papers written in the standarized Galician to Galician speakers from rural towns, mainly old people, did not understand what was written.

About the Castro culture it dissapeared 2000 years ago. We are not living in the Bronze age, nor in the times of the kingdom of Gallaecia anymore, and things have changed a lot since then, you talk like if we were living thousands of years ago. Portugal and Galicia were once the same, but it has changed, either one followed a distinct path.

[Gaijin]

Yes, the reconquista is always north-south, and?

And, that is what I said.
Galician swept the western coast of the Iberian Peninsula.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/Linguistic_map_Southwestern_Europe.gif/350px-Linguistic_map_Southwestern_Europe.gif


I think you're very confused, you're talking nonsense, nobody is speaking here of the Galician language is Castilian.

No I am not and neither am I.
It was you who implied that Castilians were closer to Galicians, than the Portuguese were.

Furthermore, you said Language was not an essential link between the populations of Gallaecia and Portugal.


no, you're confused, that is the problem.

No. You are manipulating my words. To make myself appear confused to the reader.


you see it? you're confused, no one here is saying that.

See what I mean...


you must blame your reading comprehension skills.

My reading skills are fine.
You need to work on your English, though.

Are you not agree?


Ok, we have enough idiots in the forum but there's always room for one more.

I have no idea why are you offending me.
I feel insulted by your last comment. In fact, I didn't expect that from a ranking officer of this forum.


The Galician and Portuguese are not so similar as you think, there are clear differences in pronunciation that make difficult to understand well even for native Galician speakers. Also, many Galicians don't speak true Galician but a dialect called Castrapo that mixes Castilian with Galician. Curiously, when the Galician government sent official papers written in the standarized Galician to Galician speakers from rural towns, mainly old people, did not understand what was written.

About the Castro culture it dissapeared 2000 years ago. We are not living in the Bronze age, nor in the times of the kingdom of Gallaecia anymore, and things have changed a lot since then, you talk like if we were living thousands of years ago. Portugal and Galicia were once the same, but it has changed, either one followed a distinct path.

It was Lábaru who said Linguistic inheritance was not 'important'.
I see no other element as upbringing to Gallaecian identity, and neighboring realms, than the Castro Culture.

Surely. If you want to reject Language, and now Culture. We can talk about something else.

[Empecinado]

It was Lábaru who said Linguistic inheritance was not 'important'.
I see no other element as upbringing to Gallaecian identity, and neighboring realms, than the Castro Culture.

Surely. If you want to reject Language, and now Culture. We can talk about something else.

You should back to the modern era. There's not Gallaecian identity existing nowadays neither a Castro culture. Nowadays any Leonese or Asturian is closer to a Galician than any Portuguese.

[Lábaru]

You should back to the modern era. There's not Gallaecian identity existing nowadays neither a Castro culture. Nowadays any Leonese or Asturian is closer to a Galician than any Portuguese.

This.

And that does not deny the Galician influence in Portugal.

xD tranquilo, hombre.

[Lábaru]

I have no idea why are you offending me.

Again you are confused, I have not insulted you, you said "If you are going to talk about influences. Than I should start considering Mexicans to be Spanish.
After all they are Castilian influenced." and I told you that there are enough idiots in this forum arguing the same thing but that if you decide to join them there's always room for one more.

Is your decision, I have not insulted you, do not you agree?


I feel insulted by your last comment. In fact, I didn't expect that from a ranking officer of this forum.

Well, being you a troublemaker user that's really funny but then again, I have not insulted you but you can always join to Dombra and the rest of people using these arguments. How do you call those people?

[Anthropologique]

Galicia, N. Portugal and Beira Alta share a common Atlantic Celtic heritage, along with Asturias, Leon and Cantabria. All of these lands have similarities of Celticity with Brittany, Wales, Ireland and Scotland as well.

Additionally, it should be mentioned that, Galaeic, the Celtic language of ancient Gallaecia, is currently being reconstructed under the auspices of the Galician Celtic League. Lusitanian (at the very least para-Celtic) has already been partially reconstructed.

[Gaijin]

You should back to the modern era. There's not Gallaecian identity existing nowadays neither a Castro culture. Nowadays any Leonese or Asturian is closer to a Galician than any Portuguese.

Because you said so, or are you going to back up your arguments?
I find statements unassuming.


This.

Indeed. This. ↓
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-1-w1oImhA9k/UPgd8YyvGVI/AAAAAAAAAas/m8QbS8JGSaM/s1600/%5B%5Bportuguese%5D%5Bgalician%5D%5Bspanish%5D%5D. PNG

And this. ↓
http://theapricity.com/wiki/images/0/06/Romance-languages-europe.png

But more importantly, this. Listen to the man @ 3:10 ↓

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2RTjxwIpGU

I don't want to get into fights. But yes. You insulted me.


Again you are confused, I have not insulted you, you said "If you are going to talk about influences. Than I should start considering Mexicans to be Spanish.
After all they are Castilian influenced." and I told you that there are enough idiots in this forum arguing the same thing but that if you decide to join them there's always room for one more.

Is your decision, I have not insulted you, do not you agree?

You insulted me, when you stated and I quote:

"Ok, we have enough idiots in the forum but there's always room for one more."

You were either implying that I should agree with you, or be an idiot.
Because I chose to revoke your arguments, you took me as an idiot.

Why can't you have an argument without resorting retracted taunts.


Well, being you a troublemaker user...but you can always join to Dombra and the rest of people using these arguments. How do you call those people?

Again. You insult me with implications.
You call them people?

[Empecinado]

Because you said so, or are you going to back up your arguments?
I find statements unassuming.



In the prior posts I have backed up all what I said. Only a person who doesn't know how are these region is able to say that Galicians have more in common with a Portuguese than with a Asturians or Leonese, as it's your case. Just look at you, to back up these alleged Galician-Portuguese as being part of the same you need to bring up a common culture dissapeared 2000 years ago.

[Damião de Góis]

Well, to be honest, those surnames are just as Galician as any others, I bet if you look at the stats in Portugal surnames like Lopes, Rodrigues, Fernandes.....etc outweigh any others, these are basically patronymic names that are common across the entire Iberian peninsula, just different spelling in the case of Portugal.

No so much as you would think. The most common surnames are Silva, Santos and Ferreira. Then surnames like Costa, Martins, Pereira, Sousa, Carvalho or Oliveira are also more important. Here's a complete list:

http://anossavida.pt/sites/anossavida.pt/files/100_apelidos.pdf

As for Galicia i do agree that they share much more with Spain and little with Portugal. The surnames show it, and even the language leans more and more towards spanish.

[Anthropologique]

Galicia will always be well connected to Portugal (especially places like Minho) and they are also close (or NOW closer) to Asturias and Leon - all or in part, Gallaecia. Reality, man.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

And, that is what I said.
Galician swept the western coast of the Iberian Peninsula.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/Linguistic_map_Southwestern_Europe.gif/350px-Linguistic_map_Southwestern_Europe.gif



No I am not and neither am I.
It was you who implied that Castilians were closer to Galicians, than the Portuguese were.

Furthermore, you said Language was not an essential link between the populations of Gallaecia and Portugal.



No. You are manipulating my words. To make myself appear confused to the reader.



See what I mean...



My reading skills are fine.
You need to work on your English, though.

Are you not agree?



I have no idea why are you offending me.
I feel insulted by your last comment. In fact, I didn't expect that from a ranking officer of this forum.



It was Lábaru who said Linguistic inheritance was not 'important'.
I see no other element as upbringing to Gallaecian identity, and neighboring realms, than the Castro Culture.

Surely. If you want to reject Language, and now Culture. We can talk about something else.
http://www.memegeneokerlund.com/media/created/tvjqw1.jpg

[Empecinado]

Galicia will always be well connected to Portugal (especially places like Minho) and they are also close (or NOW closer) to Asturias and Leon - all or in part, Gallaecia. Reality, man.

Gallaecia does not exist anymore, though.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

No so much as you would think. The most common surnames are Silva, Santos and Ferreira. Then surnames like Costa, Martins, Pereira, Sousa, Carvalho or Oliveira are also more important. Here's a complete list:

http://anossavida.pt/sites/anossavida.pt/files/100_apelidos.pdf

As for Galicia i do agree that they share much more with Spain and little with Portugal. The surnames show it, and even the language leans more and more towards spanish.

Two of the most popular surnames are of Galician origin: Andrade (one of the most important noble families in Galician history) and Azevedo (part of my family comes from an area where that family ruled over).

Patronymic surnames are less common the further south you go in all of Spain. I saw a map of it: from roughly 40% in the north to 25% in the south. Based on that and other things I argue that the central and southern parts of Spain wasn't heavily depopulated and then repopulated by northern Spaniards. It's possible that was the case in Portugal as well. Traditionally the Minho and Tras-Os-Montes was heavily populated and there is no reason to believe most of them fled north or that many Galicians, Asturians, etc. populated northern Portugal. Northern Portugal was never a "no man's land."

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

For the record I see the northern Portuguese as more like Galicians than the other groups in Iberia. My family is from the southern part of Galicia and so I can't speak for those in the northern part. My uncle says they're more like us than those in Madrid. Galician nobility often intermarried with that of the Portuguese and its only a turn of one event or another that caused Galicia to be part of Spain and not Portugal.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

The Spaniards at this forum are too nationalistic for my tastes. Gaijin is being respectful and he's getting disrespected in turn.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Galicia will always be well connected to Portugal (especially places like Minho) and they are also close (or NOW closer) to Asturias and Leon - all or in part, Gallaecia. Reality, man.

The Minho area is where my family is from. Before highways and railroads the Minho valley and the sea was the easiest way to cross into Galicia. Towards Leon it's rough with all those mountains in the way.

[Ibericus]

Galician nationalism is stupid and based on lies, and "portugalists" are extremely minoriatary...Galicia has much more in common with it's east neighbors than south...The galician language and culture is more related with Astur-Leonese than with portuguese.

[Empecinado]

Based on that and other things I argue that the central and southern parts of Spain wasn't heavily depopulated and then repopulated by northern Spaniards. It's possible that was the case in Portugal as well. Traditionally the Minho and Tras-Os-Montes was heavily populated and there is no reason to believe most of them fled north or that many Galicians, Asturians, etc. populated northern Portugal. Northern Portugal was never a "no man's land."

The only areas that were heavily depopulated were the borderline ones, for example the Douro valley. Northern Portugal was conquered in a early stage when still keep its population, which was mostly Christian, and probably few Galicians and Asturians moved there. About central and southern Spain, after the Christians were conquering it most of the Muslims were fleeing to Granada (except in Valencia and Aragon where most of them remained), and the Christians from the north moving there always did in low numbers, so South Spain became an empty land subjected to attacks from North African pirates and troops, and local bandits (Golfines and Monfíes).

[Gaijin]

As for Galicia i do agree that they share much more with Spain and little with Portugal. The surnames show it, and even the language leans more and more towards spanish.

Alex, as much I as don't want to disagree with you, I have to.

Because Galicia has become politically linked to Spain, Spanish names have become popular, and therefore, adopted by Galicians.
Galicians have been alerted for this cause, demanding Portuguese TV stations to fight the 'Castilianization' of Galicia.
Read me (http://www.dn.pt/inicio/interior.aspx?content_id=637661)

Portuguese people today, still have Spanish Names & Surnames.
Especially those who come from the interior regions of the country, bordering the Spanish Extremadura. Yet, one is not to call them Spanish.

Here are a few examples:

Portuguese actress, Eunice Muñoz
http://cdn.controlinveste.pt/Storage/ng1238817.jpg

Portuguese actor, Ruy de Carvalho
http://tvmais.sapo.pt/incoming/2012/11/05/ruy-de-carvalho/ALTERNATES/w260h395/

Portuguese actor, João Loy
http://www.lisbonartists.pt/public/uploads/actors/joao_loy/4.jpg

Portuguese model, Mara Gonçalez (She's from your town, if I'm not mistaken)
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qcSwHYlA7AY/Uqms1Os2o6I/AAAAAAAAJVQ/8sWUp7SbJYA/s400/Mara+Gon%C3%A7alez,+Portuguese+women+16.jpg

Portuguese model, Joana Viegas.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Kw-HTDtetsA/TU3T8Sy6mNI/AAAAAAAAE1s/dNrgHx-SNrg/s400/joana%2BViegas%2Bna%2Brevista%2Bj-5.jpg

Regarding the language. I see Galician as a patriarch to Portuguese.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNpACtIlv8g

[Lábaru]

The Spaniards at this forum are too nationalistic for my tastes. .

Nos importa muy poco tu opinión, lo mismo que a ti la nuestra o menos. Fíjate que nosotros no opinamos de tu país para nada.

[Damião de Góis]

I think Viegas is very widespread? But anyway, here's something very illustrative, the weather in castillian, galician and portuguese:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gif1EK9PgVs


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxViJch6Sdc


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn1ek4fWJfU

[Comte Arnau]

Galician nationalism is stupid and based on lies, and "portugalists" are extremely minoriatary...Galicia has much more in common with it's east neighbors than south...The galician language and culture is more related with Astur-Leonese than with portuguese.

Considering Galician and Portuguese as two different languages because of their modern separation into two standards is one thing. Saying that it is closer to Asturian than to Portuguese is a very different one. Even if it's obvious that all of the three West Iberian languages are close, the isoglosses leave it clear to which system Galician belongs.

PORTUGUESE - GALICIAN - ASTURIAN

amarelo - amarelo - mariellu
lã - la - llana
leite, noite - leite, noite - lleche, nueche
forneiro, laranjeira - forneiro, laranxeira - forneru, naranxu
ontem, hoje, amanhã - onte, hoxe, mañá - ayeri, güei, mañana
...

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Galician nationalism is stupid and based on lies, and "portugalists" are extremely minoriatary...Galicia has much more in common with it's east neighbors than south...The galician language and culture is more related with Astur-Leonese than with portuguese.

I'm not a Galician nationalist but anyway you sir are misinformed.

[B01AB20]

Considering Galician and Portuguese as two different languages because of their modern separation into two standards is one thing. Saying that it is closer to Asturian than to Portuguese is a very different one. Even if it's obvious that all of the three West Iberian languages are close, the isoglosses leave it clear to which system Galician belongs.

PORTUGUESE - GALICIAN - ASTURIAN

amarelo - amarelo - mariellu
lã - la - llana
leite, noite - leite, noite - lleche, nueche
forneiro, laranjeira - forneiro, laranxeira - forneru, naranxu
ontem, hoje, amanhã - onte, hoxe, mañá - ayeri, güei, mañana
...

I'm neutral in this case, politically speaking, :eyes , but from what I know of galician and portuguese I'm sure you can fin also words in galician that are similar to the castillian ones and more different of portuguese.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Considering Galician and Portuguese as two different languages because of their modern separation into two standards is one thing. Saying that it is closer to Asturian than to Portuguese is a very different one. Even if it's obvious that all of the three West Iberian languages are close, the isoglosses leave it clear to which system Galician belongs.

PORTUGUESE - GALICIAN - ASTURIAN

amarelo - amarelo - mariellu
lã - la - llana
leite, noite - leite, noite - lleche, nueche
forneiro, laranjeira - forneiro, laranxeira - forneru, naranxu
ontem, hoje, amanhã - onte, hoxe, mañá - ayeri, güei, mañana
...

Right. I've heard Asturian in song lyrics and I couldn't understand it while my parents understand Portuguese very well. It's just certain words they may not know but I've see them having a conversation with my parents speaking Galician and the other speaking Portuguese. They understand each other well enough with my parents throwing in some Portuguese words to avoid confusion.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Nos importa muy poco tu opinión, lo mismo que a ti la nuestra o menos. Fíjate que nosotros no opinamos de tu país para nada.

If you don't care then why tell me you don't care? Clearly a contradiction.

Also, don't speak for others. Only speak for yourself. You're not the Borg, you dope.

[Gaita]

There's almost no doubt that Portuguese and Galician had, at one point, a common origin, but, because of the seperate paths that Portugal and Galicia took in history, they ultimately developed into two seperate languages. Where Galician was influenced by the Castilians, and Portugal's language lost the influence from the north and turned more towards the south, Lisbon, for the development of its language.

[B01AB20]

Right. I've heard Asturian in song lyrics and I couldn't understand it while my parents understand Portuguese very well. It's just certain words they may not know but I've see them having a conversation with my parents speaking Galician and the other speaking Portuguese. They understand each other well enough with my parents throwing in some Portuguese words to avoid confusion.

I wonder if alex, or any portuguese, can understand galician 'very well', I bet they can of course but maybe not so well as they can understand spanish, for example.

[Gaita]

For the record I see the northern Portuguese as more like Galicians than the other groups in Iberia. My family is from the southern part of Galicia and so I can't speak for those in the northern part. My uncle says they're more like us than those in Madrid. Galician nobility often intermarried with that of the Portuguese and its only a turn of one event or another that caused Galicia to be part of Spain and not Portugal.

To add to this, both Colonel Frank and I, through my mother's side, are from the province of Ourense, and I could say that the connection with northern Portugal is there. In my family, for example, I have cousins who are partially Portuguese, and even on 23andme, I have a higher connection, distant cousins, in Portugal versus Spain.

Now, on my father's side, who's from Coruña, the connection really isn't there.

[Smaug]

Galicia, N. Portugal and Beira Alta share a common Atlantic Celtic heritage, along with Asturias, Leon and Cantabria. All of these lands have similarities of Celticity with Brittany, Wales, Ireland and Scotland as well.

Additionally, it should be mentioned that, Galaeic, the Celtic language of ancient Gallaecia is currently being reconstructed under the auspices of the Galician Celtic League. Lusitanian (at the very least para-Celtic) has already been partially reconstructed.

And the other two Beiras? They are former Lusitanian territories as well.

[Smaug]

I wonder if alex, or any portuguese, can understand galician 'very well', I bet they can of course but maybe not so well as they can understand spanish, for example.

I can understand Galician very well, better than Spanish.

[B01AB20]

Now, on my father's side, who's from Coruña, the connection really isn't there.

Is it like 'la franja' in aragon where they speak catalan?, la franja people have a connection with catalonia but for the rest of aragonese people catalans are 'los polacos', no connection there but more a disconnection.

[B01AB20]

I can understand Galician very well, better than Spanish.

I can understand galician quite well too, better than portuguese, it must be a signal of something.

[Smaug]

I can understand galician quite well too, better than portuguese, it must be a signal of something.

Galician was influenced by Castillian, it must be that, but Galician is much closer to Portuguese than to Castillian.

[Gaita]

Is it like 'la franja' in aragon where they speak catalan?, la franja people have a connection with catalonia but for the rest of aragonese people catalans are 'los polacos', no connection there but more a disconnection.

People from Ourense don't identify themselves as Portuguese, but, a person from Ourense does have more in common with someone from northern Portugal than they do with a person from, lets say, Madrid, for example.

[Lábaru]

People from Ourense don't identify themselves as Portuguese, but, a person from Ourense does have more in common with someone from northern Portugal than they do with a person from, lets say, Madrid, for example.

No. A person of Orense has grown with the Spanish television, under a Spanish government and Spanish education system, a person of northern Portugal did with another country, another system entirely.

[Gaita]

No. A person of Orense has grown with the Spanish television, under a Spanish government and Spanish education system, a person of northern Portugal did with another country, another system entirely.

Yes, popular culture wise of course. I'm talking about everyday interactions. I'm referring to their similar ways of life. A farmer in Ourense has little in common with, say, a banker in Madrid.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

No. A person of Orense has grown with the Spanish television, under a Spanish government and Spanish education system, a person of northern Portugal did with another country, another system entirely.

It's spelled Ourense.... sup now?

Yeah, my parents told me about the Spanish education system they grew up under. Franco made the gheyest attempt at building a Cult of Personality.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

To add to this, both Colonel Frank and I, through my mother's side, are from the province of Ourense, and I could say that the connection with northern Portugal is there. In my family, for example, I have cousins who are partially Portuguese, and even on 23andme, I have a higher connection, distant cousins, in Portugal versus Spain.

Now, on my father's side, who's from Coruña, the connection really isn't there.

Yeah, I'm the same on 23andme.

[Lábaru]

Yes, popular culture wise of course. I'm talking about everyday interactions. I'm referring to their similar ways of life. A farmer in Ourense has little in common with, say, a banker in Madrid.

Yes, because both are farmer.

But much more in common with a farmer from Lion, but even the farmer from Galicia and the banker from Madrid known well where is Santander, both of them, you know what a Portuguese replied to me when I said I was from Santander? "ohh yes, up there, in Catalonia.

The farmer and the banker from Spain know who is Ana Blanco or Concha Velasco, both know who is the leader of the politic opposition of the government, who is Julio Anguita or the new leader of IU, ffs, both know what is IU, and both know who is Mario Conde or what the fuck is Doña Manolita in Madrid and I could spend hours giving examples.

Spain is a country, is a fact, for centuries. It is difficult to understand if you are not Spanish, y no va por ti créeme, sino por el coronel tontorrón que piensa que nos va a dar lecciones sobre Galicia o el resto de nuestra tierra y que se ofende si somos nacionalistas.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Yes, because both are farmer.

But much in common with a farmer from Lion, but even the farmer from Galicia and the banker from Madrid known well where is Santander, both of them, you know what a Portuguese replied to me when I said I was from Santander? "ohh yes, up there, in Catalonia.

The farmer and the banker from Spain know who is Ana Blanco or Concha Velasco, both know who is the leader of the politic opposition of the government, who is Julio Anguita or the new leader of IU, ffs, both know what is IU, and both know who is Mario Conde and I could spend hours giving examples.

Spain is a country, is a fact, for centuries.

No, Spain is like the UK. Kingdoms united together under one head of state but with respect to each other institutions.

I shouldn't have to point out that up until 1715 the kingdom of Aragon (Catalunya, Aragon, Valencia, the islands) had its own judicial system and other rights as a consequence of being a separate political entity from that of Castile. Galicia would have been in the same boat but Fernando and Isabella marched an army to Santiago in 1483 to impose Castillian authority.

The castration of Galicia, I believe it was called by the court's historian.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

The victory of Isabella at the Castilian civil war started the 'taming and castration of Galicia'. 27 in retaliation for the opposition of.

I'm so mad.... GRRRRRR....

btw, the other side of that civil war was supported by the Portuguese whose king was married to Isabella's niece. If they had won "Spain" would have been Castile + Portugal and not Castile + Catalunya.

[Gaita]

@Lábaru, I know, of course, it's two different countries, popular culture, politics, are different. I'm not going to pretend I know everything about Spain, because I don't live there, my life is here. My opinion comes from my personal experiences when I'm in Ourense, and with speaking to my family and friends over there. Maybe I should just say the part of Ourense my family is from, as apposed to all of Ourense, because we're closer to Portugal.

[B01AB20]

@Lábaru, I know, of course, it's two different countries, popular culture, politics, are different. I'm not going to pretend I know everything about Spain, because I don't live there, my life is here. My opinion comes from my personal experiences when I'm in Ourense, and with speaking to my family and friends over there. Maybe I should just say the part of Ourense my family is from, as apposed to all of Ourense, because we're closer to Portugal.

When I'm in Galicia I've never felt the sympathy by default that galicians (nationalists at least) receive in Catalonia simply because they're from another 'opressed nation', well in fact I've never sensed sympathy by default anywhere in spain when they discover I'm catalan :( .And they don't care if I'm a charnego or a pure blood catalan.

Why galicians hate catalans too gaita?, aren't you ashamed of that man? :mad: