European Elections 2014

[Graham]

Anyone voted yet? Just back from the polling booth. It'll be interesting in Britain. UKIP are faves now & even the Greens are pushing out the Liberal Democrats.

[albosomething]

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/world-report/2014/05/22/right-wing-threatens-to-dominate-eu-parliament-election

I hate articles like this, justifying the loss of left wing in various reasons.

FUCK THE LEFT :D

[Ivan Kramskoï]

In France the vote is set on Sunday.

[Jackson]

UKIP have taken a couple of seats already, should be interesting.

Unfortunately me and my dad couldn't make it to vote today though. Feel bad now. :P Ah well too late.

[Caismeachd]

I didn't know about it nor really know much about politics here yet that I should vote anyways. Saw a lot of cars with green party posters in the windows today though. Will vote for referendum on the 18th Sept.

[Ultra]

I'll vote on Sunday.

[Pretan]

Voted UKIP. Along with the rest of my family.

[B01AB20]

Sunday is the day here, but european affairs don't matter much, these elections are regarded as a domestic competition between the local dogs.

[Yaroslav]

LOL @ Zionist Geert Wilders' failure.

[Graham]

UKIP have taken a couple of seats already, should be interesting.

Unfortunately me and my dad couldn't make it to vote today though. Feel bad now. :P Ah well too late.

That's the English Council vote.

Turnout will be low, but I like to vote when possible. Cycled straight from work, with the registration card in my bag.

[Jackson]

That's the English Council vote.

Turnout will be low, but I like to vote when possible. Cycled straight from work, with the registration card in my bag.

Yeah so it is, results for European elections are on Sunday. Was up until fairly late watching the results for them coming in, seems they took a while, only a small number were in before the BBC program finished at about half three.

[Geminus]

In Germany the elections are on Sunday. I will be interesting, because for the first time there is no threshold for small parties (formerly 5 % or 3 %) so some smaller parties are likely to get seats in the parliament.

[B01AB20]

http://ep01.epimg.net/internacional/imagenes/2014/05/23/actualidad/1400833896_753608_1400834089_noticia_normal.jpg


El populista UKIP confirma su espectacular avance en Reino Unido
Sus resultados en las municipales auguran su triunfo también en las europeas

http://internacional.elpais.com/internacional/2014/05/23/actualidad/1400833896_753608.html

'Populist' ;) UKIP confirms their spectacular advance in UK.
Their results in municipal elections predict their triumph also in EU elections.


And the progressive boys of progressive spanish newspaper 'el pais' don't like it. :writing_thinking:

congrats, something is moving in UK it seems.

[Breedingvariety]

UKIP are faves now & even the Greens are pushing out the Liberal Democrats.
Greens are watermelons- red on the inside.

[Graham]

Greens are watermelons- red on the inside.

Greens are libertarian left, local democratic, anti-surveillance, anti-police State, anti-nukes. In Scotland anyway. Noam Chomsky style left.

[LightHouse89]

If I could I would vote for which ever party increased more immigration and liberal policies towards it hahaha :p

[cally]

I voted yesterday.

[Trun]

In Bulgaria they are on Sunday.

[Hevo]

LOL @ Zionist Geert Wilders' failure.

But according to the prognosis the Europhile party D66 is the big winner in The Netherlands.:/

[Yaroslav]

In Bulgaria they are on Sunday.

Go Ataka!

[Mraz]

Voted today, Belgium has Regional, Federal and European elections at the same time.

I voted for this guy's party for European parliament :laugh: :

http://static1.7sur7.be/static/photo/2014/16/4/3/20140513160119/media_xll_6736713.jpg

[Mortimer]

didnt voted

[Leliana]

Voted for FPÖ in Austria and AfD in Germany.

[Leliana]

FPÖ is up at 20,2%. That's an increase of 7,5% compared to 2009! :D

http://imgl.krone.at/Bilder/2014/05/25/EU-Wahl_OeVP_bleibt_vor_SPOe._FPOe_starke_Dritte-Hochrechnung-Story-405672_630x356px_2_e9uq1HNB1JgFQ.jpg

[Kalimtari]

Greens

http://kobiecatwarzpolityki.pl/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/GreensEFA15-12-cm_EN.jpg

[Lithium]

I voted for a right wing party, I wont mention the name :D

[Kalimtari]

I voted for a right wing party, I wont mention the name :D

Ataka? :P

[Graham]

FPÖ is up at 20,2%. That's an increase of 7,5% compared to 2009! :D


Exit poll?

[Graham]

Aye Exit poll. Meaning likely result to come in.
https://twitter.com/MorayMP
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g156/irnbru293/eu_zps87b226d7.jpg

[Scandalf]

Voted this morning. EU and local administrations.

[Empecinado]

Have voted an anti-EU, anti-NATO and anti-immigration party.

[Lithium]

Ataka? :P

Meglena Kuneva (yeah, all of the Bulgarian members are welcomed to attack me via PM, thumb downs or personally) :D

[Trun]

Meglena Kuneva (yeah, all of the Bulgarian members are welcomed to attack me via PM, thumb downs or personally) :D

Me too, but now I regret I didn't put Malinov first.

[Ivan Kramskoï]

Have voted an anti-EU, anti-NATO and anti-immigration party.
Same as you.

[Neon Knight]

I was tempted to re-elect the Griffin but went for UKIP.

[Ivan Kramskoï]

I was tempted to re-elect the Griffin but went for UKIP.
I think it's a more usefull vote if you want my opinion ^^

[Graham]

I think it's a more usefull vote if you want my opinion ^^
BNP are finished. If you're a right winger, UKIP is the only logical vote.

[Alphawolf]

http://i.imgur.com/Mv919jC.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/cz8VNJh.jpg

[Yaroslav]

UKIP are very liberal. They want to exit the EU but keep all the liberal policies that make it bad. Hence I stand with BNP.

[Yaroslav]

Same as you.

Front National?

[Lithium]

http://i.imgur.com/Mv919jC.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/cz8VNJh.jpg

This is so stupid, why would you even mention your Turkish subhumans in the EP elections?

[Neon Knight]

Some people have been complaining that UKIP might cooperate with other right-wing European parties like Front National and Northern League. God forbid! There is much paranoia about right wing parties.

[Mortimer]

did UKIP won in UK?

[Graham]

did UKIP won in UK?

Not announced yet. I'll give you the update here when I can.

[Barbarian]

LOL at extreme right failure :picard1:

[Ivan Kramskoï]

Front National?
Yes, 25% for the Front National first french party !!!!

[Ivan Kramskoï]

Front National is the first french party with 25% !!!
http://www.quickmeme.com/img/10/100ca2cbfc041faa8de09238763d0eea2fc50908b4c4033e92 b041e4fa099ff6.jpg

[Yaroslav]

Front National is the first french party with 25% !!!
http://www.quickmeme.com/img/10/100ca2cbfc041faa8de09238763d0eea2fc50908b4c4033e92 b041e4fa099ff6.jpg

Source?!

[noricum]

Voted for the REKOS in Austria, a small conservative catholic party I had a good feeling and a clear conscience voting for. I couldn't overcome myself to vote for the FPÖ as they kicked out all the politicians I liked over the last years and more and more became a bunch of primitive proletarian squallers at the same time.

btw.: REKOS got 1.2% - game over.

[Graham]

French Projections have Front National winning on 25%. UMP second on 20-21%

[Yaroslav]

French Projections have Front National winning on 25%. UMP second on 20-21%

And the Socialists?

[Neon Knight]

UKIP are very liberal. They want to exit the EU but keep all the liberal policies that make it bad. Hence I stand with BNP.UKIP are not at all liberal but the BNP are almost a comedy party who only seem interested in attracting skinhead morons. And don't thumb down posts just because you disagree with someone's politics - grow up.

[Graham]

And the Socialists?

Third on 14-15%

[Ivan Kramskoï]

Source?!
Graham answered perfectly while I was watching TV ^^

[Yaroslav]

Graham answered perfectly while I was watching TV ^^

Are you in euphoria right now?

[Graham]

Finland - result of advance voting (about 1/6 of voters):

KOK 22.7%
KESK 21%
SDP 13.6%
Finns 12.8%
GRN 7.9%

Kok sticking out in front.

[Yaroslav]

Finland - result of advance voting (about 1/6 of voters):

KOK 22.7%
KESK 21%
SDP 13.6%
Finns 12.8%
GRN 7.9%

Kok sticking out in front.

:(

[Graham]

:(
I thought you liked the Kok.

[Graham]

two exit polls out in Romania:

IRES: PSD 41%, PNL 14%, PDL 10%, UDMR 7%, PMP 6%

CSCI: PSD 43%, PNL 14%, PDL 12%, PMP 7%, UDMR 6%

[Yaroslav]

I thought you liked the Kok.

? They are the most liberal party in Finland.

[Ivan Kramskoï]

Are you in euphoria right now?
This party does not represent all my ideas well but I am really happy about this victory nonetheless, I hope the people is waking up at last and will help our nation surviving.

[Graham]

EU's going to be more interesting.

Greece - projection:

SYRIZA 26.7%
ND 22.8%
GD 9.3%
PASOK 8.1%
Potami 6.7%
KKE 6%
IndGreeks 3.4%

[Yaroslav]

Greece - projection:

SYRIZA 26.7%
ND 22.8%
GD 9.3%
PASOK 8.1%
Potami 6.7%
KKE 6%
IndGreeks 3.4%

Nice! Golden Dawn doing great! Down with EU!

[Yaroslav]

...

What are Bulgaria's?

[Graham]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bofp4nXCYAETZcP.png

[Trun]

What are Bulgaria's?

GERB - 30,2
BSP - 19,5
MRF - 16,8
BWC - 10,6
RB - 6,5

[Graham]

Poland - Ipsos exit poll:

PO 32.8%
PiS 31,8%
SLD 9.6%
KNP 7.2%
PSL 7%
E+ 3.7%

[Graham]

Will have to see another poll to confirm, British polls are dodgy & corruptible. But that would be extremely bad for Labour. Really unexpected.

Lord Ashcroft EP Exit Poll:
1st UKIP 29%,
2nd Conservatives 24%,
3rd Labour 21%,
4th Lib Dems 8%.

Edit: turnout it was possibly faked. Surprise surprise.

[B01AB20]

Interesting results in Danemark too.

LOL.

[Vlach]

voter turnout?

[Graham]

man!

Greece - estimate of seats:

SYRIZA 6
ND 5
Golden Dawn 3
PASOK 2
To Potami 2
KKE 2
Ind. Greeks 1

[Mazik]

The Swedish results after counting 95% of the votes:

Party - number of seats

S-6
MP-3
M-3
FP-2
C-1
KD-1
V-1
SD-2
FI-1

% of the votes for each party:

http://s14.postimg.org/90uuk8os1/votes.jpg

[Croehveist]

Janusz Korwin-Mikke (KNP - right side), want to destroy EU from the center.
Good luck John! xD

[Catkin]

UKIP winning at the moment, followed by Conservatives and Labour fairly close to each other. Lots of strong Labour areas still to come in though.

[Yaroslav]

Janusz Korwin-Mikke (KNP - right side), want to destroy EU from the center.
Good luck John! xD

Niech UE ide nachuj!

[Graham]

UKIP winning at the moment, followed by Conservatives and Labour fairly close to each other. Lots of strong Labour areas still to come in though.

Lib dems in 5th place now. UKIP have less in Scotland but still on course to gain a seat. :rolleyes:

[ALSh]

Labour or conservative for UK I hope they win, I think people voted for UKIP because they are annoyed with gypsies from Romania, majority of UK are not racist but I think they are annoyed with gypsies.

Are u afraid that by winning UKIP they will bring ur ass in Kosovo?

[Yaroslav]

man!

Greece - estimate of seats:

SYRIZA 6
ND 5
Golden Dawn 3
PASOK 2
To Potami 2
KKE 2
Ind. Greeks 1

The highlighted parties should form a coalition.

[Peyrol]

Movimento 5 Stelle (5 Stars Movement) here on the top for the moment, followed very close by Democrats.

Northern Independentists on the rise (''Lega Nord'').

Berlusconi's Forza Italia party third party with 20-21%.

[Yaroslav]

Movimento 5 Stelle (5 Stars Movement) here on the top for the moment.

Northern Independentists on the rise (''Lega Nord'').

Berlusconi's Forza Italia party third party with 20-21%.

These parties should form a coalition against the liberals!

[B01AB20]

Spain failed miserably, more or less the same dirty dogs as ever but in different proportions.

But Le Front National maybe will inspire us next election.

[Jackson]

Spain failed miserably, more or less the same dirty dogs as ever but in different proportions.

But Le Front National maybe will inspire us next election.

It's interesting how Spain has been hit quite hard over the last few years but there is not as much going on (seemingly) politically as there is in some other countries that haven't been through as much.

[Peyrol]

These parties should form a coalition against the liberals!

Yeah but the Movimento 5 Stelle are the ''antipolitik'' for eccellence, they don't want alliance with anyone...one of their slogan is ''tutti i politici a casa'' (all the politicians have to go back home).

They've a mixed ideology bith with far left and right wing ideas...as out of EU, out of €, social wellfare, etc...

[ALSh]

I have British passport, anyways UKIP has black people in their group, so I'm not sure if they are racist or not but I think they are especially towards Romanians.

U mean towards the gypsies (roma people)? Not sure since UK is so mix that they can't just point a single ethnic group.

[Jackson]

I have British passport, anyways UKIP has black people in their group, so I'm not sure if they are racist or not but I think they are especially towards Romanians.

They have said some bad things about Romania, but i think most people do not regard Romania as the problem in particular. In general a lot of people just think there are too many changes in the wrong direction, too much political correctness and too many foreigners, and that they feel the best way they can change this is by getting a vote on or leaving the European Union.

They aren't a racist party, but i'm pretty sure that plenty of 'far-right' people vote for them, as they are the most likely to achieve some common goals. But in truth it's supporters are often otherwise uncomfortable bedfellows, it's more like a grouping of people that don't like the EU, large scale immigration for whatever reasons.

Their main enemies are hardcore leftists, greens, communists and liberal-types especially students. And also the far right because they are stealing their voters to some degree.

Edit: I should just say we've always been uncomfortable with large numbers of foreigners, and in the last 50 years many parts of the country have gone from being 99.9% white British to much less than that, and a significant portion of the natives being multiculturalists, so the traditional conservative English are basically being driven out of many parts of their own country, and replaced with a multi-ethnic, multi-cultural vociferous mass that has the support of the establishment.

[B01AB20]

It's interesting how Spain has been hit quite hard over the last few years but there is not as much going on (seemingly) politically as there is in some other countries that haven't been through as much.

yeah, but 'interesting' is not the word I'd use to describe this phenomenon.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4uYrCaKR1Vc/To1ULDqOMfI/AAAAAAAAAMs/e1LVYCGdgQ0/s1600/borregos.jpg

'sheeplike' or meek would be better.

at least the two-party system is over, or so it seems.

[Graham]

I have British passport, anyways UKIP has black people in their group, so I'm not sure if they are racist or not but I think they are especially towards Romanians.

UKIP doesn't like European migrants. But has Asians & Africans in their ranks from the Commonwealth countries.

[Yaroslav]

Spain failed miserably, more or less the same dirty dogs as ever but in different proportions.

But Le Front National maybe will inspire us next election.

Maybe the Catalonian secession will also have an impact.

[Peyrol]

Correction, now the Democrats are on the top, 5 Stelle second and Berlusconi third :picard1:

[Tacitus]

So Nigel Farage, Nikolaos Michaloliakos, and Beppe Grillo walk into a bar in Brussels....

[Jackson]

yeah, but 'interesting' is not the word I'd use to describe this phenomenon.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4uYrCaKR1Vc/To1ULDqOMfI/AAAAAAAAAMs/e1LVYCGdgQ0/s1600/borregos.jpg

'sheeplike' or meek would be better.

at least the two-party system is over, or so it seems.

Yeah i was going to write strange instead, but neither word really cuts it i agree.

[ALSh]

Yeah... But Romanians in general are considered gypsies in the UK, I'm more worried about them

Why should u be worried about them? Mind ur own bussines better.

[Ouistreham]

French Front National — the Party of the Youth and of the Working Class

Le FN obtient ses meilleurs scores chez les jeunes et les ouvriers

Sans surprise, c'est chez les jeunes et les catégories populaires que le Front national fait ses meilleurs scores. De ce point de vue, les élections européennes de dimanche confirment les tendances observées au fil des scrutins des dernières années.

Chez les moins de 35 ans, le parti de Marine Le Pen obtient 30 % des voix, soit 5 points de plus que son score moyen à l'échelle nationale, selon Ipsos-Steria. Il peut d'autant plus se prévaloir d'être un parti « jeune » qu'il obtient chez les plus âgés un résultat inférieur à son résultat global : 21% des plus de 60 ans ont voté dimanche pour le FN.

A l'inverse, l'UMP apparaît plus que jamais comme le parti des seniors : il obtient 25 % des suffrages chez les plus de 60 ans, soit 5 points de plus que son score national. Seulement 15% des moins de 30 ans ont apporté leurs voix au PS ce 25 mai. Pour François Hollande, qui avait promis en 2012 de faire de la jeunesse la « priorité » de son quinquennat, c'est un sérieux camouflet.

Au sein de l'électorat populaire, le parti d'extrême droite fait un tabac. Dimanche, 38 % des employés et 43 % des ouvriers lui ont apporté leurs suffrages. La gauche, sur ce qui constitue historiquement son cœur de cible, est laminée : seulement 8% des ouvriers et 16% des employés ont voté PS aux européennes. Contrairement à ses espérances, le Front de gauche ne bénéficie pas de la déception suscitée au sein de cet électorat par la gauche de gouvernement : seuls 5% des employés et 8% des ouvriers ont voté, dimanche, pour le mouvement de Jean-Luc Mélenchon.

http://abonnes.lemonde.fr/politique/article/2014/05/25/le-fn-obtient-ses-meilleurs-scores-chez-les-jeunes-et-les-ouvriers_4425625_823448.html

Karl Marx is in shambles.

[Jackson]

UKIP doesn't like European migrants. But has Asians & Africans in their ranks from the Commonwealth countries.

One problem i think with UKIP is that they've heavily focused their anti-immigration rhetoric to that from Europe, when really most people voting for them don't want excessive migration from anywhere.

[Yaroslav]

Correction, now the Democrats are on the top, 5 Stelle second and Berlusconi third :picard1:

Fraud much?

[ALSh]

Correction, now the Democrats are on the top, 5 Stelle second and Berlusconi third :picard1:

Shit, still didn't u got rid of Berlusconi? xD

[Graham]

Scotland
with 22 councils in:
SNP 266,695;
Lab 238,428;
Cons 165,220;
UKIP 94,919;
Green 72,241;
LD 59,303.

[Yaroslav]

Scotland
with 22 councils in:
SNP 266,695;
Lab 238,428;
Cons 165,220;
UKIP 94,919;
Green 72,241;
LD 59,303.

Why is UKIP so weak in Scotland?

[Graham]

Why is UKIP so weak in Scotland?

Seen as an English party mainly.

[Peyrol]

Fraud much?

No just brainwashed italians.

A fucking gerontocracy where elders have the power and want a status quo or a flooding of MENAs and africans.

Fuck my people, i don't want to live in this country anymore (as 60% of young italians).

[Peyrol]

Shit, still didn't u got rid of Berlusconi? xD

No, he's an immortal leviathan...

[Tacitus]

Shit, still didn't u got rid of Berlusconi? xD

Berlusconi is immortal.

[Catkin]

Lib dems in 5th place now. UKIP have less in Scotland but still on course to gain a seat. :rolleyes:

Poor Lib Dems, they're doing really badly. I'm surprised UKIP are doing so well in Wales- about equal top with Labour at the moment. Plaid Cymru only 4th. Not sure how many results they have had in yet though, it could still change a lot.

[cally]

I'm surprised Labour are doing so well.

[Graham]

Poor Lib Dems, they're doing really badly. I'm surprised UKIP are doing so well in Wales- about equal top with Labour at the moment. Plaid Cymru only 4th. Not sure how many results they have had in yet though, it could still change a lot.
Have to say, am smiling like fuck at Lib Dems downfall. Seeing Nick Clegg implode.

Imagine if they end on 0 meps. haha

UKIP done really well in Wales.

[ALSh]

Lol...

What is for laughing here?

[Empecinado]

No just brainwashed italians.

A fucking gerontocracy where elders have the power and want a status quo or a flooding of MENAs and africans.

Fuck my people, i don't want to live in this country anymore (as 60% of young italians).

I share 100% your viewpoints, same situation here. This is making me rethink exile...

[Pretan]

UKIP have just topped the poll in the English East Midlands.

[Peyrol]

I share 100% your viewpoints, same situation here. This is making me rethink exile...

Maybe we should choose a little nation outside the ''great fights'', with european people, good women, good food and a good climate.
Uruguay perhaps. :laugh:

I'm serious. I don't want to rise my children in a gerontocracy ruled by ultraliberals and invaded by the whole african continent.

Vadano a cagare questi rossi gerontocrati figli di puttana :lol:

[Graham]

UKIP beating labour in North England Labour Country even. Winning 3 seats to Labour 2 in Yorkshire.

[Pretan]

UKIP have just won huge gains in Yorkshire as well!

[Yaroslav]

Maybe we should choose a little nation outside the ''great fights'', with european people, good women, good food and a good climate.
Uruguay perhaps. :laugh:

I'm serious. I don't want to raise my children in a gerontocracy ruled by ultraliberals and invaded by the whole african continent.

Vadano a cagare questi rossi gerontocrati figli di puttana :lol:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_States_of_New_Russia

[Empecinado]

Maybe we should choose a little nation outside the ''great fights'', with european people, good women, good food and a good climate.
Uruguay perhaps. :laugh:

I'm serious. I don't want to raise my children in a gerontocracy ruled by ultraliberals and invaded by the whole african continent.

Vadano a cagare questi rossi gerontocrati figli di puttana :lol:

Turn Sardinia into a new Taiwan, the "Nationalist" Italy xD

[Jackson]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_States_of_New_Russia

At least they show it can be done in certain circumstances.

We in western Europe should start drawing some new flags then... :P

[Catkin]

Have to say, am smiling like fuck at Lib Dems downfall. Seeing Nick Clegg implode.

Imagine if they end on 0 meps. haha

UKIP done really well in Wales.

Ok, I'm just too soft then :P. Even if I don't support them I feel sorry for them and how disappointed they'll be. Stupid, I know. I could never be a politician.

SW coming up- if Lib Dems lose their mep here they may be heading for zero.

[Peyrol]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_States_of_New_Russia

Why not? slavic women are the most good looking of the planet (with romanians). Plus...not a single moroccan or nigerian...that's inconceivable for me, almost an alien planet...


Turn Sardinia into a new Taiwan, the "Nationalist" Italy xD


Yeah why not, the problem is that they're nationalist too about sardinian culture and heritage...

[Graham]

Greens have one seat. Libs 0. Hahaha

[Pretan]

UKIP have won in the South West of England.

Liberal Democrats have been smashed in one of their core areas.

[Catkin]

Greens have one seat. Libs 0. Hahaha

And that was your 15,000th post :p. At least it was a celebratory one.

[alb0zfinest]

Why should u be worried about them? Mind ur own bussines better.

Unless they are Lithuanians she doesn't really care :p

[Graham]

http://wellthisiswhatithink.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/nick-clegg-sad.jpghttp://cdn2.spectator.co.uk/wp-content/blogs.dir/11/files/2012/12/143661837.jpghttps://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTS_4ChFfCPVL20K4d2f5PvX_J7aGyV8-PjP24uMyxlGZUzxd0H

[Pretan]

Welsh vote in: Labour and UKIP essentially draw with 28% each.

[ALSh]

Unless they are Lithuanians she doesn't really care :p

Well said bro

[Catkin]

:(


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[B01AB20]

Maybe the Catalonian secession will also have an impact.

in catalonia participation has been superior than in spain yeah, nationalists-secessionists called for a 'massive participation' (47,6%, lol), but well, only 45 and something for them.

they're not enthusiastic, to say so.

http://file02.lavanguardia.com/2014/05/26/54408333550-file.jpg

[Graham]

:(

Here, this is coming from someone who doesn't mind back bench Lib Dems. But they sold their soul to the Conservative Party for power in the top.

[Jackson]

Here, this is coming from someone who doesn't mind back bench Lib Dems. But they sold their soul to the Conservative Party for power in the top.

I think a fair few Lib Dems must be switching to Greens.

[cally]

:(

I used to have a huge crush on him :lol:

[Graham]

I used to have a huge crush on him :lol:

:picard1::p

[Catkin]

Here, this is coming from someone who doesn't mind back bench Lib Dems. But they sold their soul to the Conservative Party for power in the top.

Yes, they did. But they did it thinking they could use the opportunity to push through some of their policies and probably pull the Conservatives left a bit. It just didn't end up working out too well... Short term gain for long term pain.

[Graham]

I think a fair few Lib Dems must be switching to Greens.

greens are a better version. They are anti- surveillance state & anti-Policing Libertarians. That want reform in Europe still to minimise corruption.

[Graham]

Yes, they did. But they did it thinking they could use the opportunity to push through some of their policies and probably pull the Conservatives left a bit. It just didn't end up working out too well... Short term gain for long term pain.

I'll give you one example on Tuition Fees. Lib Dems wanted it free & Conservative wanted unlimited. They met in-between.

[Catkin]

I used to have a huge crush on him :lol:

Haha, really? :p
I can sort of see why.

[Catkin]

I'll give you one example on Tuition Fees. Lib Dems wanted it free & Conservative wanted unlimited. They met in-between.

Tuition fees was what I was thinking of too. Free uni education was one of the main campaigning points of the Lib Dems and then when they were in power fees got increased. Not good.

Still, they'll feel bad about it now.

[Pretan]

UKIP have won in the most of England except the for North West. (Came 2nd).

Just London and Scotland left to declare.

[Graham]

UKIP have won in the most of England except the for North West. (Came 2nd).

Just London and Scotland left to declare.

Scotland will be
SNP 2
Labour 2
Conservatives 1
UKIP 1

[Jackson]

Scotland will be
SNP 2
Labour 2
Conservatives 1
UKIP 1

Although the UKIP seat is a slim one in the projections, they will probably get it.

[Graham]

Although the UKIP seat is a slim one in the projections, they will probably get it.

Only Just. SNP & Greens were both very close. UKIP done well in the North East.

BBC trying to make it out as an SNP disaster, when they came top. lol

[Catkin]

It was nice to see a happy Farage. Also another green mep in the south.



Just London and Scotland left to declare.

I wish they'd hurry up, I'm so tired.

[Musso]

Welcome to the EU Federation.

[Tooting Carmen]

I voted Green. Labour did badly in Wales - barely 1% above UKIP in their share of the vote. Nevertheless, the four MEPs for Wales are the same parties as before: 1 Labour, 1 UKIP, 1 Tory and 1 Plaid Cymru, but the point is that Labour were hoping to gain a second MEP.

[Ivan Kramskoï]

With 28,18 % the front national seems first in the south east.
I will post the final results tomorrow morning.

[Catkin]

Pinched from the other thread. The results are quite different from those predicted:


ComRes/ITV News poll

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/04/30/article-0-1D7ACAF100000578-504_634x443.jpghttp://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/04/30/article-0-1D7ACE1000000578-495_634x395.jpghttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bmerr9rCYAID69U.png:large

[Jackson]

Just watching one of the people in the Lib Dems laying into Danny Alexander. Got to admit i agree with him, he wants more action in response to their devastation.

[Graham]

Idiots in London can't count.

[Jackson]

Idiots in London can't count.

In Tower Hamlets at least, 50% Turnout though.

Issues of crowd control...hmmm.

Yay for diversity!

"A shamble in Tower Hamlets" lol

"Record of failure" lol they're really laying into the place >.<

[Graham]

Brian taylor, good commentator on Scots politics for BBC. Top respect. :)

[Catkin]

Brian taylor good commentator on Scots politics for BBC. Top respect. :)

I thought so too.

[Jackson]

Brian taylor, good commentator on Scots politics for BBC. Top respect. :) Trying to teach the BBC Sooth.

He's very enthusiastic.

[Graham]

He's very enthusiastic.

I worry for his health though. Like Boris Yeltsin before he went pan breid.

[Tacitus]

In Italy, PD running away with it: 41%, nearly double that of the 5 Star Movement with 75% of the votes counted.

[Jackson]

I worry for his health though. Like Boris Yeltsin before he went pan breid.

Yeah. He doesn't look in the best of health and he is old. But it seems to me that often people who still have an enthusiasm for life seem to live a bit longer, or at least who don't resign themselves.

[cally]

Come on London I want to go to bed!

[Catkin]

Come on London I want to go to bed!

I'm falling asleep. We may not get Tower Hamlet's results tonight apparently, so we won't know the overall result. Still should get Scotland's though. Hopefully. Eventually.

[Graham]

Come on London I want to go to bed!

Western Isles hasn't been declared either. Due to the Religious Sabbath. Very Christian part of the World.

[Graham]

BBC showing Hackney not voting UKIP as a great surprise ha! oh man what a surprise.

Good thing I'm off work tommorow. Yawn

[Jackson]

BBC showing Hackney not voting UKIP as a great surprise ha! oh man what a surprise.

Good thing I'm off work tommorow. Yawn

I always find it funny when Dimbleby gets tired, he seems to care less about what he says and sometimes makes mistakes, quite entertaining.

[Catkin]

Western Isles hasn't been declared either. Due to the Religious Sabbath. Very Christian part of the World.

Ah, probably the same issue in Tower Hamlets.
:rolleyes:


I always find it funny when Dimbleby gets tired, he seems to care less about what he says and sometimes makes mistakes, quite entertaining.

Is he the man in the snazzy pink tie?

[Jackson]

Ah, probably the same issue in Tower Hamlets.
:rolleyes:



Is he the man in the snazzy pink tie?

Yeah, older posh guy. :)

[Catkin]

Scottish results page on BBC website showing this:


The full Scottish result will be known at noon on Monday, as the Western Isles does not count votes on a Sunday.

Come on Graham, sort it out. There can't be that many to count there.

[Graham]

Scottish results page on BBC website showing this:



Come on Graham, sort it out. There can't be that many to count there.

That would go against god.

[Catkin]

That would go against god.

It's Monday now! If there were 100,000 votes to count (I have no idea) then get together 1000 people to each count 100. I'm guessing it would take 5 seconds per vote, so they could each count 12 a minute. It would take them 8 minutes 20 seconds to do the whole lot! Just an idea.

[LightHouse89]

I hope the parties that want more immigration and support leftist ideas wins. Thanks thanks from USA for you people praising Obama and Democrats.

[Kalimtari]

Greens did OK, I guess. At least they didn't lose any seat

[Graham]

It's Monday now! If there were 100,000 votes to count (I have no idea) then get together 1000 people to each count 100. I'm guessing it would take 5 seconds per vote, so they could each count 12 a minute. It would take them 8 minutes 20 seconds to do the whole lot! Just an idea.

:P

Final Western Isles results:
SNP 43%
Labour 24%
UKIP 11%
Conservtives 9%.
Greens 6.5%
Lib Dems 3%

[Catkin]

:P

Final Western Isles results:
SNP 43%
Labour 24%
UKIP 11%
Conservtives 9%.
Greens 6.5%
Lib Dems 3%

Finally! :) So probably still enough for UKIP to get a mep. I wouldn't have expected that before yesterday.

[Graham]

Finally! :) So probably still enough for UKIP to get a mep. I wouldn't have expected that before yesterday.

Just. But like has been said. UKIP had far more coverage from Londons media at BBC. All those debates with Farage.

[Graham]

Finally! :) So probably still enough for UKIP to get a mep. I wouldn't have expected that before yesterday.

Just. But like has been said. UKIP had far more coverage from Londons media at BBC. All those debates with Farage.

[Graham]

Says it all. Results announced. UKIP boy registered address, UKIP MEP lives in Kensington London.. The party that wants to abolish our Scots Parliament, wins seat in our Country.

[Catkin]

So it's official.


Just. But like has been said. UKIP had far more coverage from Londons media at BBC. All those debates with Farage.

Yeees, but UKIP have very specific aims. People would still have only voted for them if they agreed with their aims.


Says it all. Results announced. UKIP boy registered address, UKIP MEP lives in Kensington London.. The party that wants to abolish our Scots Parliament, wins seat in our Country.

Makes it even more surprising they did well. Would be an unlikely backwards step. I wonder if they will rethink aspects and try to make themselves more Scotland friendly now they see they may have a chance there. It's not like by keeping a devolved Scottish parliament they would lose much, if any, English UKIP support. I don't think that is a policy that most people voting UKIP here would even know about let alone passionately support.

[Graham]

The BBC EU political map on changed areas in white. Plenty switched over to UKIP.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BokaldUIUAADpWd.jpg:large

UKIP is Purple

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BohJXuFIAAASMCc.jpg:large

[Catkin]

The BBC EU political map on changed areas in white. Plenty switched over to UKIP.

Looks like my area has. Is yours just in the red?

[Rudel]

The BBC EU political map on changed areas in white. Plenty switched over to UKIP.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BokaldUIUAADpWd.jpg:large

UKIP is Purple

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BohJXuFIAAASMCc.jpg:large

http://i.imgur.com/YrFJLPx.jpg

FN in dark blue, UMP in blue, UDI in light blue I think, PS in pink and greens in...

[blogen]

http://s27.postimg.org/8ktvxtmhv/EU_v_laszt_s.jpg

[Graham]

Looks like my area has. Is yours just in the red?
Don't know. BBC uses a map that has Scotland as a dot in the horizon lol. Something I'll go check. :P

[Graham]

Shetland & Orkney staying true to the Liberal Democrats as always

Orkney: LD 1825 (35.2%) SNP 872 (16.8%) Con 679 (13.1%) Green 619 (12%) UKIP 618 (11.9%) Lab 466 (9%)

Shetland: LD 1755 (33.9%) SNP 897 (17.3%) Green 638 (12.3%) UKIP 616 (11.9%) Lab 580 (11.4%) Con 543 (10.5%)

[Graham]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BokdjWqCAAAhWI7.jpg:largehttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/Boklgw5CMAAisW2.jpg:large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BokmMEoCQAAGh62.jpg:largehttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoknCPhCUAAHEs8.jpg:large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bokn-nrIUAIFdnv.jpg:large

[Catkin]

Lower UKIP and Conservative support, higher Labour support, and the Greens either getting a seat or just missing out. Seems like Scotland and London should buddy up. Kindred spirits.

:p

[Graham]

Lower UKIP and Conservative support, higher Labour support, and the Greens either getting a seat or just missing out. Seems like Scotland and London should buddy up. Kindred spirits.

:p

We're both not English. That's why the vote was common.

[Catkin]

We're both not English. That's why the vote was common.

True! I think it would be a nice partnership.

[LightHouse89]

wow Labor has alot of support.

[B01AB20]

It's interesting how Spain has been hit quite hard over the last few years but there is not as much going on (seemingly) politically as there is in some other countries that haven't been through as much.


yeah, but 'interesting' is not the word I'd use to describe this phenomenon.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4uYrCaKR1Vc/To1ULDqOMfI/AAAAAAAAAMs/e1LVYCGdgQ0/s1600/borregos.jpg

'sheeplike' or meek would be better.

at least the two-party system is over, or so it seems.

I must rectify this post.
In Spain has been a strong reaction against 'the system' and the political parties in charge during these past years just like in other countries like France, UK or Denmark.
But the anti-system vote has gone for the most part to a 'leftist and popular' (not populist but popular, they're leftists you know ) movement called 'podemos' (we can... we can vomit a lot).

The motto of this 'popular movement' is more or less, 'let's get rid of the corrupted and incompetent traditional and majoritary political parties ('la casta' is a shortname for them :flynch:) that only brought lots of misery to us'.


Only with a budget of 100,000 euros for the EU parliament election they got 5 seats.

this is the guy.

http://estaticos.elmundo.es/assets/multimedia/imagenes/2014/02/07/13917613557343.jpghttp://www.lamarea.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/pablo-iglesias-entrevista-680x365.jpghttp://danipirata80.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/555555555555.jpg
could he pass in britain lavitaeobsesione?, tell me he can please, tell me he can or I'm going to suicide myself. :hail: :hail: :hail:



Spain is different like the turistic slogan says, really fucking different.

[Peyrol]

Well, it's official...the Northern League lost Piedmont government, ans 5 Stelle candidate unfortunately failed.

Our new governor it's a democrat :picard1:

[Empecinado]

In Spain we follow the Quixote style, always backset. When Europe had democracy, we had dictatorship here. When they killed kings, we were asking for their return here. When others acquired colonial empires, we were losing ours. When the church was losing power in the other countries, we gave them more power.

Now in the rest of Europe they are fed up of corruption, feminazism, outrageous immigrationism, aggressive secularism directed only against Christians, welfare and privileges to outsiders, etc ... here, exactly the opposite. We are voting exactly all this.

El español es el único animal que tropieza dos veces en la misma piedra que ve tropezar a todos los demás.

[B01AB20]

In Spain we follow the Quixote style, always backset. When Europe had democracy, we had dictatorship here. When they killed kings, we were asking for their return here. When others acquired colonial empires, we were losing ours. When the church was losing power in the other countries, we gave them more power.

Now in the rest of Europe they are fed up of corruption, feminazism, outrageous immigrationism, aggressive secularism directed only against Christians, welfare and privileges to outsiders, etc ... here, exactly the opposite. We are voting exactly all this.

El español es el único animal que tropieza dos veces en la misma piedra que ve tropezar a todos los demás.

discouraging, this's my feeling.

like Peyrol more or less.

[Peyrol]

discouraging, this's my feeling.

like Peyrol more or less.

It's also true that l'erba del vicino è sempre più verde...but at least they've the erba and not some campi di merda as our states :lol:

[B01AB20]

It's also true that l'erba del vicino è sempre più verde...but at least they've the erba and not some campi di merda as our states :lol:

this time yes, I admit, northwestern euros are superior to us, or less stupid at least.

[Tooting Carmen]

Whether the leader of "Podemos" can pass in Britain or not is irrelevant. The point is that I doubt he or his party will do much to change the destructive and maladaptive structures and policies of the EU.

[B01AB20]

Whether the leader of "Podemos" can pass in Britain or not is irrelevant. The point is that I doubt he or his party will do much to change the destructive and maladaptive structures and policies of the EU.

His goal is to get rid of PP and PSOE in spain, to get rid of the dirty plutocratic 'casta' that have been ruling spain during the last 30 years.

People who voted him don't care much about EU I think, and he either I guess.

[Tooting Carmen]

To clarify: I do not believe in abolishing the EU or departing from it, but it does need a lot of democratisation and reform and many of its powers should be handed back to national parliaments. For starters, the Council of Ministers should stop meeting in secret, the Commission should hand over more powers to the European Parliament, and wasteful travesties like the Common Agricultural Policy should be scrapped. Furthermore, individual nations should be given the right to maintain or re-invent certain restrictions on migration from other EU states.

[B01AB20]

To clarify: I do not believe in abolishing the EU or departing from it, but it does need a lot of democratisation and reform and many of its powers should be handed back to national parliaments. For starters, the Council of Ministers should stop meeting in secret, the Commission should hand over more powers to the European Parliament, and wasteful travesties like the Common Agricultural Policy should be scrapped. Furthermore, individual nations should be given the right to maintain or re-invent certain restrictions on migration from other EU states.

what party did you vote man?

the greens you said if I remember well.

it's like you describe the program of the greens in UK?

[Tooting Carmen]

what party did you vote man?

the greens you said if I remember well.

it's like you describe the program of the greens in UK?

Yes I did vote for the Green Party, as they are the nearest of the parties on offer to my own beliefs. But those proposals I came up with by myself, they aren't from a party manifesto lol. Anyway, may I ask who you voted for (if anyone at all)?

[B01AB20]

Yes I did vote for the Green Party, as they are the nearest of the parties on offer to my own beliefs. But those proposals I came up with by myself, they aren't from a party manifesto lol. Anyway, may I ask who you voted for (if anyone at all)?

http://universo.mediamarkt.es/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/votaciones-25-mayo-lannister-media-markt-750x400.jpg

[Tooting Carmen]

I made a thread about Britain's newly-elected MEPs: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?127191-Newly-elected-MEPs-from-the-UK

[Äijä]

To clarify: I do not believe in abolishing the EU or departing from it, but it does need a lot of democratisation and reform and many of its powers should be handed back to national parliaments. For starters, the Council of Ministers should stop meeting in secret, the Commission should hand over more powers to the European Parliament, and wasteful travesties like the Common Agricultural Policy should be scrapped. Furthermore, individual nations should be given the right to maintain or re-invent certain restrictions on migration from other EU states.

Greens are dead against any of your ideas, they want a federal super state that will force people under an enviromental facism.

[Tooting Carmen]

Greens are dead against any of your ideas, they want a federal super state that will force people under an enviromental facism.

I said THE CLOSEST, not an absolute match. In fact, they have campaigned for the EU to be reformed and democratised. They believe in localism.

[Äijä]

I said THE CLOSEST, not an absolute match. In fact, they have campaigned for the EU to be reformed and democratised. They believe in localism.

UKIP is closest to your ideas.

[Tooting Carmen]

UKIP is closest to your ideas.

Their economic policies are FAR too right-wing for my liking. Hence why I voted for the more social democratic-leaning Greens.

[Graham]

Greens are dead against any of your ideas, they want a federal super state that will force people under an enviromental facism.

http://greenparty.org.uk/news/yes-to-an-eu-referendum-green-mp-calls-for-chance-to-build-a-better-europe.html

Yes to an EU Referendum: Green MP calls for chance to build a better Europe


A referendum on the UK's membership of the EU is a vital opportunity to create a more democratic and accountable Europe - with a clearer purpose for the future, said the Green MP today.

Caroline Lucas, MP for Brighton Pavilion, has tabled an amendment to the Conservative Backbench motion for a referendum on the UK's membership of the EU, calling for ‘radical reform of the EU' to increase transparency and give Member States more control over their economies (1).

Speaking ahead of the Commons vote on Monday, Lucas said:

"I support a referendum on our membership of the EU because I am pro-democracy, not because I'm anti-EU - and because I want to see a radical reform of the way Europe operates.

"The EU has the potential to spread peace and make our economies more sustainable, and to promote democracy and human rights, at home and throughout the world.

"But it must urgently change direction, away from an obsessive focus on competition and free trade and towards placing genuine co-operation and environmental sustainability at its heart.

"Thanks to the bureaucratic and remote way which the EU works, many people today are no longer sure what is it for. So the challenge now is to make those institutions more democratic and accountable - and to develop a more compelling vision of the EU's role and purpose.

"A referendum would allow the space for that debate about the future of the Union to occur, and to ensure that the goals of the European project really are in the best interests of EU citizens."

[Äijä]

http://greenparty.org.uk/news/yes-to-an-eu-referendum-green-mp-calls-for-chance-to-build-a-better-europe.html

Yes to an EU Referendum: Green MP calls for chance to build a better Europe


A referendum on the UK's membership of the EU is a vital opportunity to create a more democratic and accountable Europe - with a clearer purpose for the future, said the Green MP today.

Caroline Lucas, MP for Brighton Pavilion, has tabled an amendment to the Conservative Backbench motion for a referendum on the UK's membership of the EU, calling for ‘radical reform of the EU' to increase transparency and give Member States more control over their economies (1).

Speaking ahead of the Commons vote on Monday, Lucas said:

"I support a referendum on our membership of the EU because I am pro-democracy, not because I'm anti-EU - and because I want to see a radical reform of the way Europe operates.

"The EU has the potential to spread peace and make our economies more sustainable, and to promote democracy and human rights, at home and throughout the world.

"But it must urgently change direction, away from an obsessive focus on competition and free trade and towards placing genuine co-operation and environmental sustainability at its heart.

"Thanks to the bureaucratic and remote way which the EU works, many people today are no longer sure what is it for. So the challenge now is to make those institutions more democratic and accountable - and to develop a more compelling vision of the EU's role and purpose.

"A referendum would allow the space for that debate about the future of the Union to occur, and to ensure that the goals of the European project really are in the best interests of EU citizens."

If they really want it they will never get people to vote any of their policies, like raising energy prices and killing industries, so I have my doubts.

[LightHouse89]

How many parties are in the UK? Also would Northern Ireland be more conservative than mainland Britain?

[Tooting Carmen]

How many parties are in the UK? Also would Northern Ireland be more conservative than mainland Britain?

NI is a bit more conservative than the mainland, yes. Anyway, in Wales at least, we had a choice between Labour, Conservatives, Liberal Democrats, Plaid Cymru, UKIP, Green Party, No2EU, Socialist Party, Socialist Labour Party and the BNP.

[LightHouse89]

NI is a bit more conservative than the mainland, yes. Anyway, in Wales at least, we had a choice between Labour, Conservatives, Liberal Democrats, Plaid Cymru, UKIP, Green Party, No2EU, Socialist Party, Socialist Labour Party and the BNP.

I wonder which political party is the most popular in Northern Ireland? Would you say Wales is more conservative than England or the other way around?

[Tooting Carmen]

I wonder which political party is the most popular in Northern Ireland? Would you say Wales is more conservative than England or the other way around?

Wales is more socialist AND more conservative than England, if that makes sense.

[Graham]

Wales has it's history in it's mines and the Unions. Much like the North of England. Is old Labour.

[Tooting Carmen]

Wales has it's history in it's mines and the Unions. Much like the North of England. Is old Labour.

You're largely right, but that is pretty cliche nonetheless. Support for Labour in Wales is nothing like as widespread or as uniform as in the past.

[Empecinado]

Wales has it's history in it's mines and the Unions. Much like the North of England. Is old Labour.

Just like Asturias too.

[Aunt Hilda]

voted green, sigh.

quite disgusted with Britain voting UKIP. if only independence had a chance.

[LightHouse89]

voted green, sigh.

quite disgusted with Britain voting UKIP. if only independence had a chance.

I last voted for the American Third Position party....resotre the old isolationist America. Bring back black/white segregation, break away from UN, NATO, bring back the gold standard, bring back industry to America, end with environmental laws and laws that force companies to close, end of Jewish perversion in Hollywood....etc.... the restoration of America is all that matters.

[Aunt Hilda]

I last voted for the American Third Position party....resotre the old isolationist America. Bring back black/white segregation, break away from UN, NATO, bring back the gold standard, bring back industry to America, end with environmental laws and laws that force companies to close, end of Jewish perversion in Hollywood....etc.... the restoration of America is all that matters.
i don't care for the petty quarrels of us politics, this forum is about europe, not former colonies.

[BasicallyNone]

Who cares seriously ? We still can't vote for the president neither for other european concils.

Edit: and Britain is a the puppet of american anti-europeism aiming more for unstability than for real solution within the continent, with their belgian faggot looking UKIP leader.

[Mazik]

Wales has it's history in it's mines and the Unions. Much like the North of England. Is old Labour.

Same in northern Sweden :P People vote for the labour and socialist parties by tradition.

[LightHouse89]

i don't care for the petty quarrels of us politics, this forum is about europe, not former colonies.

well then maybe us yanks can colonize Europe and restore it to its former glory but under the American flag! oh us evil Nazis!

[LightHouse89]

Same in northern Sweden :P People vote for the labour and socialist parties by tradition.

mazik seeing you are the only swede here, is there any reason why swedes are so liberal or on the left in their politics? I mean I am fascinated at the reason as to why?

[Aunt Hilda]

well then maybe us yanks can colonize Europe and restore it to its former glory but under the American flag! oh us evil Nazis!
you do realise you're not representative of the yank populace in any way shape or form, right?

[LightHouse89]

Who cares seriously ? We still can't vote for the president neither for other european concils.

Edit: and Britain is a the puppet of american anti-europeism aiming more for unstability than for real solution within the continent, with their belgian faggot looking UKIP leader.

here we think the other way around as most Europeans who come here to live want American to abandon its traditions for feminism, anti guns, pro abortion, pro islam, pro Zionism [although our neo-cons are pro Zionism too], pro homosexualism/transgenderism, pro free healthcare [which will ruin our economy in afew years], etc.....they vote Democrat [Liberal or equivalent to your labor parties]. It drives people like me up a wall as Europeans who move here are also sympathetic to the blacks and minority groups which hate us here and our traditional values which have been stripped thanks to Barrack Insane Obozo.

[LightHouse89]

you do realise you're not representative of the yank populace in any way shape or form, right?

Yes, infact I am amongst libertarians but they are not here. I am just being funny by saying we would invade as we are more of an isolationist people and do not like 'social change'. But your right the immigrants and I have nothing in common they wish to rape my country further. Thank God for the 2nd Amendment....now we can only hope for the next civil war :thumb001: Yee-Hah!

[Aunt Hilda]

Yes, infact I am amongst libertarians but they are not here. I am just being funny by saying we would invade as we are more of an isolationist people and do not like 'social change'. But your right the immigrants and I have nothing in common they wish to rape my country further. Thank God for the 2nd Amendment....now we can only hope for the next civil war :thumb001: Yee-Hah!1st amendment FTW.

but seriously, you do realise Libertarians are far from half that country, you have no support in america apart some fringe minority with no actual political power.
perhaps more importantly, yank libs have no political unity, which renders your wet dreams of civil war to nothing but a dream.

[LightHouse89]

1st amendment FTW.

but seriously, you do realise Libertarians are far from half that country, you have no support in america apart some fringe minority with no actual political power.
perhaps more importantly, yank libs have no political unity, which renders your wet dreams of civil war to nothing but dreams.

libertarians, secessionists, neo-confederates, the tea party, and some republicans have their own coalition. Here it is more of bipartisanship vs the other factions like communists etc.....the neo Nazis here even support libertarians. In the US if your party doesn't have any friends you wont last long. The most representative of libertarians here would be politicians like Ron Paul, and other independents in my area like Scott Brown. They are generally anti Washington DC, anti UN and anti NATO. We want our troops here on the borders and fixing the demographic issues that this government has caused. We also like to get rid of federalism and its programs like obamacare, and other un American and anti Patriotic things DemoRats created here.

[Aunt Hilda]

libertarians, secessionists, neo-confederates, the tea party, and some republicans have their own coalition. Here it is more of bipartisanship vs the other factions like communists etc.....the neo Nazis here even support libertarians. In the US if your party doesn't have any friends you wont last long. The most representative of libertarians here would be politicians like Ron Paul, and other independents in my area like Scott Brown. They are generally anti Washington DC, anti UN and anti NATO. We want our troops here on the borders and fixing the demographic issues that this government has caused. We also like to get rid of federalism and its programs like obamacare, and other un American and anti Patriotic things DemoRats created here.

the libertarian political base lacks any sort of political coherence, the electorate ranges from potheads to neo-nazis, GOP gays to folks like yourself. in other words, they are doomed to be indecisive and quite useless even if they had power.
which, lets face it, is very unlikely to happen.

[LightHouse89]

the libertarian political base lacks any sort of political coherence, the electorate ranges from potheads to neo-nazis, GOP gays to folks like yourself. in other words, they are doomed to be indecisive and quite useless even if they had power.
which, lets face it, is very unlikely to happen.

not really constitutionalists prefer smaller government [state government] and generally agree [not always openly] with secessionists. white power types tag along because 100% of libertarians are generally white people [even though their agenda is more anti government than anti other races or religions]. Republicans recently have started supporting these ideas where as before yes it was viewed as a lunatic fringe idea. Does it shock you that the republican vote is in a way very dependent on secessionist/libertarian votes. Take Sarah Palin afew years ago when she was running for governor of Alaska she in order to win had to appeal to the secessionist parties vote. This means in turn she had to do or work more for them than the groups that did not support her.

Libertarianism is popular in some places and not popular in places like where I live. However If I go to Maine, Vermont or New Hampshire they are generally more sympathetic with my views. The more liberal somewhere is here the more anti traditional America it is. By this I mean they openly say how we should get rid of things like freedom of speech or the right to own guns etc.... there will be a civil war here and it most likely will be ignited by the left. GOP does not support gays..... this isn't like Europe, the closest right wingers who don't mind gays are libertarians as they do not believe in religion + state where as republicans do not mind imposing Christianity or Christian values on the country [they believe in American traditionalism/or a more conservative social country]. However republicans here are more interested in representing their real masters which are just rich people.....libertarians and white supremacists generally look out for the well being of working class and middle class white americans. the rich will have to support us whether they like it or not.

Since Obama took office right wing groups have increased from 300 plus to over 1,000 and that was in 2008 and since they have continued to rise. If that does not say much then I do not know what does? not to mention a border that is continuously ignored [on purpose as liberals and rich people need their voting base], the more pissed off we are getting here. This system is not for us and has zero loyalty to us and that is a cultural issue here so we would like to take back the nation our ancestors created.

My ideas are very popular out west and down south by the way. The issue isn't the voting base but the electoral college here which is rigged and corrupt.

[Aunt Hilda]

not really constitutionalists prefer smaller government [state government] and generally agree [not always openly] with secessionists. white power types tag along because 100% of libertarians are generally white people [even though their agenda is more anti government than anti other races or religions]. Republicans recently have started supporting these ideas where as before yes it was viewed as a lunatic fringe idea. Does it shock you that the republican vote is in a way very dependent on secessionist/libertarian votes. Take Sarah Palin afew years ago when she was running for governor of Alaska she in order to win had to appeal to the secessionist parties vote. This means in turn she had to do or work more for them than the groups that did not support her.

Libertarianism is popular in some places and not popular in places like where I live. However If I go to Maine, Vermont or New Hampshire they are generally more sympathetic with my views. The more liberal somewhere is here the more anti traditional America it is. By this I mean they openly say how we should get rid of things like freedom of speech or the right to own guns etc.... there will be a civil war here and it most likely will be ignited by the left. GOP does not support gays..... this isn't like Europe, the closest right wingers who don't mind gays are libertarians as they do not believe in religion + state where as republicans do not mind imposing Christianity or Christian values on the country [they believe in American traditionalism/or a more conservative social country]. However republicans here are more interested in representing their real masters which are just rich people.....libertarians and white supremacists generally look out for the well being of working class and middle class white americans. the rich will have to support us whether they like it or not.

Since Obama took office right wing groups have increased from 300 plus to over 1,000 and that was in 2008 and since they have continued to rise. If that does not say much then I do not know what does? not to mention a border that is continuously ignored [on purpose as liberals and rich people need their voting base], the more pissed off we are getting here. This system is not for us and has zero loyalty to us and that is a cultural issue here so we would like to take back the nation our ancestors created.

My ideas are very popular out west and down south by the way. The issue isn't the voting base but the electoral college here which is rigged and corrupt.
very popular implies that they are the majority in all the the states, you know this is not true. Obama got both the electoral and popular vote in 2008 and 2012.

[LightHouse89]

very popular implies that they are the majority in all the the states, you know this is not true. Obama got both the electoral and popular vote in 2008 and 2012.

Hmm ever hear of the Black Caucus? Electoral College? Each state gets representation and each state the number is different. So If one state has a smaller population than the other....lets say X amount and the state next to it gets X amount but it is higher than the first state mentioned then during a political race the electoral college will decide [giving the popularity in the most populated places] who should be given points [democat vs republican or independent]. Its kind of hard to explain but it isn't like Europe at all. The voting system here isn't even regulated and you can vote multiple times which some inner city blacks did do during the second election, even Bushes second election was highly questionable. The district of Columbia gets 12 electoral votes....while my state gets three yet the population in my state is larger. Washington DC also houses one of the largest Negro communities in the country so it is of no surprise the liberals get 12 free points on top of many more thanks to California getting more electoral votes.

Now if the feds continue to go down this route it is already being proposed to break away from the Union because it really doesn't look out ofr us at all. This government cares more about minorities and illegal immigrants than it does about us. Alaska is not far away from breaking away from the Union. Texas is another state that is thinking of forming their own republic. My uncle from Vermont is a member of the secessionist paty there. Hopefully mostly white states break away one by one [which is legal], and we can form our own republics and impose strict immigration laws. [blacks excluded entirely].

[Aunt Hilda]

Hmm ever hear of the Black Caucus? Electoral College? Each state gets representation and each state the number is different. So If one state has a smaller population than the other....lets say X amount and the state next to it gets X amount but it is higher than the first state mentioned then during a political race the electoral college will decide [giving the popularity in the most populated places] who should be given points [democat vs republican or independent]. Its kind of hard to explain but it isn't like Europe at all. The voting system here isn't even regulated and you can vote multiple times which some inner city blacks did do during the second election, even Bushes second election was highly questionable. The district of Columbia gets 12 electoral votes....while my state gets three yet the population in my state is larger. Washington DC also houses one of the largest Negro communities in the country so it is of no surprise the liberals get 12 free points on top of many more thanks to California getting more electoral votes.

Now if the feds continue to go down this route it is already being proposed to break away from the Union because it really doesn't look out ofr us at all. This government cares more about minorities and illegal immigrants than it does about us. Alaska is not far away from breaking away from the Union. Texas is another state that is thinking of forming their own republic. My uncle from Vermont is a member of the secessionist paty there. Hopefully mostly white states break away one by one [which is legal], and we can form our own republics and impose strict immigration laws. [blacks excluded entirely].I am aware of the electoral system. but my point still stands, indepenents are fringe political groups with no actual power, and I doubt it's going to change any time soon. Not that I care, really.

[Mazik]

mazik seeing you are the only swede here, is there any reason why swedes are so liberal or on the left in their politics? I mean I am fascinated at the reason as to why?

Well, the left-leaning social democrats pretty much built and formed this country. The "folkhemmet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folkhemmet)", welfare state and such is deeply integrated as a part of the Swedish society. Too much change from the current model (with welfare state, free health care etc) wouldn't work.

Folkhemmet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folkhemmet) at it's prime:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCrHRDMMb-s

The 2nd biggest party in the Swedish history, the former "högerpartiet de konservativa" (the conservative right party), now more known as "Moderaterna", is nowadays a social liberal party. And they are not much different from the social democrats today, when it comes to the economical part. They are still seen as an right party though, by Swedish standards, by American standards they would be seen as an leftist and "liberal" party though :P

[LightHouse89]

Well, the left-leaning social democrats pretty much built and formed this country. The "folkhemmet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folkhemmet)", welfare state and such is deeply integrated as a part of the Swedish society. Too much change from the current model (with welfare state, free health care etc) wouldn't work.

Folkhemmet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folkhemmet) at it's prime:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCrHRDMMb-s

The 2nd biggest party in the Swedish history, the former "högerpartiet de konservativa" (the conservative right party), now more known as "Moderaterna", is nowadays a social liberal party. And they are not much different from the social democrats today, when it comes to the economical part. They are still seen as an right party though, by Swedish standards, by American standards they would be seen as an leftist and "liberal" party though :P

Sweden needs a third position party. I watched something on vice of some leftist socialist party that apeeared very militant. I am glad though that the same groups in Ireland are disappearing. Low Unemployment + Impoverished economy tends to make people more radical on the right except in America where ti seems you have two camps....very leftist people [most of which have no brains] and paleoconservatives which tend to be right wing rich people. The only issue with them is they do little to nothing to win over the white working class. Unfortunately the Neo-Conservative Republicans win them over here [they are half of the reason this country lost its industry and put jobs over seas]. I like the Tea Party here and American Third Position party. I use to support the American Nazi Party but learned they are really just a laughing stock for the media and pretty useless politically.

[LightHouse89]

I am aware of the electoral system. but my point still stands, indepenents are fringe political groups with no actual power, and I doubt it's going to change any time soon. Not that I care, really.

not really independents lean more with republicans. There is groups out there like the old paleoconservatives [old school democrats] and many of them are rich, they are firm supporters of the Tea Party. The issue with the Tea Party is they put too much emphasis on the healthcare debate and do it somewhat irrationally. I know the heathcare thing could have been easily changed over for Mitt Romney during the last election and he could have won had he proclaimed a reform for healthcare under what he did in my state Massachusetts when he was governor....we are the only state not suffering because of retarded democrat obamacare. But here groups that are the most fringe would be groups like the American Nazi Party which is mostly comprised of blue collar working class whites but politically they are powerless. Paleoconservatives are the future for right wing people and generally they support Libertarians and it is vice versa. Right wing people sort of vote in a bipartisan manner, and that is just American politics...the problem is getting what we want in the white house and in the senate/congress. I would support a transfer of power from federal to more power to each state and an isolationist approach with minimal foreign policy which Republicans here would never support. I also would support a return to the 1924 Racial Immigration act [limit third world immigration and immigration from socialist countries]. This could only be achieved by using and manipulating democrats and republicans and by pressing on them to do something about the border....if they do not then independents and libertarians have a chance because they will see just how much this government doesn't give a damn about us.