Jaxman's Grandfather's Updated 23andme Ancestry Composition and Eurogenes GEDmatch Results

[Black Wolf]

Here are my paternal grandfather's updated 23andme Ancestry Composition and Eurogenes K13 and K15 GEDmatch results. As far as we know he is of 100% Italian ancestry from the Calabria region.
23andme Ancestry Composition

Speculative:

71.5% European

Southern European
50.2% Italian
3.0% Balkan
13.4% Nonspecific Southern European

Northern European
0.6% Finnish
0.4% Nonspecific Northern European

<0.1% Ashkenazi

3.9% Nonspecific European


25.2% Middle Eastern and North African

22.9% Middle Eastern
0.2% North African
2.2% Nonspecific Middle Eastern and North African


3.3% Unassigned



Standard:

60.1% European

Southern European
33.9% Italian
16.7% Nonspecific Southern European

Northern European
0.3% Finnish
0.1% Nonspecific Northern European


9.2% Nonspecific European


13.9% Middle Eastern and North African

12.1% Middle Eastern
1.8% Nonspecific Middle Eastern and North African

26.0% Unassigned



Conservative:

48.4% European

Southern European
13.7% Italian
8.2% Nonspecific Southern European

Northern European
0.2% Nonspecific Northern European

26.3% Nonspecific European


3.7% Middle Eastern and North African

2.6% Middle Eastern
1.0% Nonspecific Middle Eastern and North African


47.9% Unassigned



GEDmatch Eurogenes Calculators

Eurogenes K13-


Population
North_Atlantic 17.11%
Baltic 6.85%
West_Med 19.35%
West_Asian 16.13%
East_Med 34.86%
Red_Sea 4.31%
South_Asian 0.23%
East_Asian 0.30%
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.06%
Northeast_African 0.79%
Sub-Saharan -


Oracle:

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 4.86
2 Ashkenazi 6.49
3 Sephardic_Jewish 7.21
4 Greek 8.03
5 Cyprian 12.9
6 Tuscan 14.75
7 Lebanese_Muslim 16.23
8 Syrian 18.02
9 Turkish 18.47
10 Lebanese_Druze 19.48
11 Samaritan 19.71
12 Lebanese_Christian 20.44
13 Jordanian 20.6
14 Bulgarian 20.69
15 Palestinian 20.71
16 North_Italian 21.2
17 Assyrian 22.23
18 Azeri_Jewish 22.46
19 Romanian 22.75
20 Bedouin 24.22

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 52.2% Lebanese_Druze + 47.8% North_Italian @ 3.01
2 77.4% Cyprian + 22.6% Southeast_English @ 3.11
3 57.2% Tuscan + 42.8% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.13
4 72.7% Cyprian + 27.3% French @ 3.31
5 78% Cyprian + 22% Southwest_English @ 3.31
6 78.3% Cyprian + 21.7% Orcadian @ 3.48
7 78.3% Cyprian + 21.7% Danish @ 3.51
8 78.7% Cyprian + 21.3% West_Scottish @ 3.51
9 53.4% Sephardic_Jewish + 46.6% Greek @ 3.56
10 78.7% Cyprian + 21.3% Irish @ 3.63
11 53.6% Cyprian + 46.4% Tuscan @ 3.67
12 65% Lebanese_Druze + 35% Southwest_French @ 3.68
13 71.5% Cyprian + 28.5% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.69
14 77.9% Cyprian + 22.1% Dutch @ 3.81
15 76.4% Cyprian + 23.6% German @ 3.82
16 62.9% Cyprian + 37.1% North_Italian @ 3.89
17 87.3% South_Italian + 12.7% Lebanese_Druze @ 4
18 58.6% Tuscan + 41.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.08
19 71.2% Cyprian + 28.8% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.08
20 65.9% South_Italian + 34.1% Ashkenazi @ 4.1



Oracle-4:

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_Italian @ 5.244
2 East_Sicilian @ 7.089
3 Central_Greek @ 7.378
4 Ashkenazi @ 7.773
5 Sephardic_Jewish @ 8.137
6 Italian_Jewish @ 8.617
7 Italian_Abruzzo @ 9.583
8 West_Sicilian @ 10.150
9 Algerian_Jewish @ 10.223
10 Tunisian_Jewish @ 12.552
204 iterations.



Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Lebanese_Druze +50% North_Italian @ 3.826
2 50% Cyprian +50% Tuscan @ 4.408
3 50% Lebanese_Druze +50% Tuscan @ 4.488
4 50% Central_Greek +50% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.538
5 50% Cyprian +50% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.624
6 50% Central_Greek +50% Italian_Jewish @ 4.629
7 50% Lebanese_Christian +50% North_Italian @ 4.870
8 50% Ashkenazi +50% South_Italian @ 5.109
9 50% Italian_Abruzzo +50% Italian_Jewish @ 5.165
10 50% South_Italian +50% South_Italian @ 5.244
20910 iterations.



Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Italian_Abruzzo +25% Lebanese_Druze +25% South_Italian @ 2.961
2 50% South_Italian +25% Lebanese_Druze +25% Tuscan @ 3.053
3 50% Tuscan +25% Cyprian +25% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.231
4 50% Italian_Abruzzo +25% Central_Greek +25% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.330
5 50% Italian_Abruzzo +25% Cyprian +25% Italian_Jewish @ 3.397
6 50% Italian_Abruzzo +25% Lebanese_Druze +25% West_Sicilian @ 3.404
7 50% South_Italian +25% Italian_Abruzzo +25% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.447
8 50% Lebanese_Druze +25% Central_Greek +25% Southwest_French @ 3.464
9 50% Italian_Abruzzo +25% East_Sicilian +25% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.465
10 50% Central_Greek +25% Lebanese_Druze +25% Tuscan @ 3.509
840242 iterations.



Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Cyprian + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + North_Italian @ 2.922
2 Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + South_Italian @ 2.961
3 Central_Greek + Lebanese_Druze + South_Italian + Tuscan @ 3.000
4 Lebanese_Druze + South_Italian + South_Italian + Tuscan @ 3.053
5 Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + South_Italian + West_Sicilian @ 3.058
6 Central_Greek + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + West_Sicilian @ 3.156
7 Cyprian + Lebanese_Druze + Tuscan + Tuscan @ 3.231
8 Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + South_Italian + Tuscan @ 3.254
9 Central_Greek + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + South_Italian @ 3.269
10 Central_Greek + Cyprian + Lebanese_Druze + Spanish_Valencia @ 3.286
11 Central_Greek + Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze @ 3.330
12 Central_Greek + Cyprian + Lebanese_Druze + Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.372
13 Cyprian + Lebanese_Druze + South_Italian + Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.373
14 East_Sicilian + Lebanese_Druze + South_Italian + Tuscan @ 3.387
15 Cyprian + Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Jewish @ 3.397
16 Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + West_Sicilian @ 3.404
17 Cyprian + Lebanese_Druze + North_Italian + West_Sicilian @ 3.430
18 Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + South_Italian + South_Italian @ 3.447
19 Central_Greek + Lebanese_Druze + Lebanese_Druze + Southwest_French @ 3.464
20 East_Sicilian + Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze @ 3.465



Oracle-X:

Pct. Calc. Option 2

0 Unable to determine 0.01%
1 South_Italian 53.36%
2 Sephardic_Jewish 10.74%
3 Lebanese_Druze 9.88%
4 Italian_Jewish 7.92%
5 Turkmen 6.45%
6 La_Brana-1 5.41%
7 Ashkenazi 4.18%
8 Italian_Abruzzo 2.01%
9 Central_Greek 0.03%
10 Bulgarian 0.00%



Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15:


Population
North_Sea 9.20%
Atlantic 13.30%
Baltic 6.18%
Eastern_Euro 1.49%
West_Med 14.43%
West_Asian 16.92%
East_Med 32.89%
Red_Sea 4.85%
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.72%
Sub-Saharan -


Oracle:


Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sephardic_Jewish 7.56
2 Ashkenazi 8.18
3 Cyprian 11.35
4 Greek 11.61
5 Lebanese_Muslim 14.18
6 Tuscan 14.73
7 Syrian 15.92
8 Turkish 16.12
9 Samaritan 18.1
10 Lebanese_Christian 18.89
11 Jordanian 18.95
12 Bulgarian 19
13 Assyrian 19.22
14 Lebanese_Druze 19.3
15 Palestinian 19.72
16 Romanian 21.13
17 North_Italian 21.23
18 Armenian 21.62
19 Bedouin 22.36
20 Kurdish 23.18

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 79.1% Cyprian + 20.9% Irish @ 3.09
2 78.4% Cyprian + 21.6% Southeast_English @ 3.15
3 79.4% Cyprian + 20.6% West_Scottish @ 3.24
4 78.3% Cyprian + 21.7% Southwest_English @ 3.28
5 77% Cyprian + 23% German @ 3.32
6 79.1% Cyprian + 20.9% Danish @ 3.4
7 79.8% Cyprian + 20.2% Orcadian @ 3.63
8 78.8% Cyprian + 21.2% Dutch @ 3.63
9 74.6% Cyprian + 25.4% French @ 3.73
10 57.1% Tuscan + 42.9% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.73
11 79.9% Cyprian + 20.1% Swedish @ 3.95
12 80% Cyprian + 20% Norwegian @ 3.95
13 52.5% Lebanese_Druze + 47.5% North_Italian @ 4.17
14 51% Lebanese_Muslim + 49% Tuscan @ 4.28
15 73.6% Cyprian + 26.4% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.37
16 60.7% Lebanese_Muslim + 39.3% North_Italian @ 4.45
17 57.4% Cyprian + 42.6% Tuscan @ 4.47
18 74.7% Cyprian + 25.3% Austrian @ 4.48
19 56.7% Tuscan + 43.3% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.58
20 57.2% Tuscan + 42.8% Assyrian @ 4.61



Oracle-4:

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_Italian @ 5.604
2 Central_Greek @ 7.287
3 East_Sicilian @ 7.770
4 Italian_Jewish @ 8.434
5 Sephardic_Jewish @ 8.572
6 Ashkenazi @ 9.755
7 Italian_Abruzzo @ 9.801
8 Algerian_Jewish @ 10.519
9 West_Sicilian @ 11.186
10 Tunisian_Jewish @ 12.142
207 iterations.



Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Cyprian +50% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.322
2 50% Lebanese_Druze +50% North_Italian @ 5.009
3 50% Lebanese_Druze +50% Tuscan @ 5.021
4 50% Lebanese_Muslim +50% Tuscan @ 5.053
5 50% Kurdish_Jewish +50% North_Italian @ 5.305
6 50% Cyprian +50% Tuscan @ 5.539
7 50% Central_Greek +50% Sephardic_Jewish @ 5.592
8 50% South_Italian +50% South_Italian @ 5.604
9 50% Iranian_Jewish +50% North_Italian @ 5.652
10 50% Lebanese_Christian +50% Tuscan @ 5.657
21528 iterations.



Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Italian_Abruzzo +25% Lebanese_Druze +25% South_Italian @ 2.712
2 50% Italian_Abruzzo +25% Central_Greek +25% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.937
3 50% Central_Greek +25% Italian_Abruzzo +25% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.966
4 50% South_Italian +25% Italian_Abruzzo +25% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.135
5 50% Italian_Abruzzo +25% East_Sicilian +25% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.274
6 50% South_Italian +25% Greek +25% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.429
7 50% Central_Greek +25% Lebanese_Druze +25% South_Italian @ 3.443
8 50% Central_Greek +25% Lebanese_Druze +25% West_Sicilian @ 3.449
9 50% Italian_Abruzzo +25% Italian_Abruzzo +25% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.451
10 50% South_Italian +25% Lebanese_Druze +25% Tuscan @ 3.483
978772 iterations.



Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + South_Italian @ 2.712
2 Central_Greek + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + South_Italian @ 2.807
3 Central_Greek + Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze @ 2.937
4 Central_Greek + Central_Greek + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze @ 2.966
5 Greek + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + South_Italian @ 3.029
6 Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + South_Italian + South_Italian @ 3.135
7 East_Sicilian + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + South_Italian @ 3.235
8 Central_Greek + East_Sicilian + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze @ 3.248
9 East_Sicilian + Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze @ 3.274
10 Central_Greek + Lebanese_Druze + South_Italian + Tuscan @ 3.354
11 Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + South_Italian @ 3.362
12 Assyrian + Lebanese_Druze + South_Italian + Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.426
13 Greek + Lebanese_Druze + South_Italian + South_Italian @ 3.429
14 Central_Greek + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + West_Sicilian @ 3.441
15 Central_Greek + Central_Greek + Lebanese_Druze + South_Italian @ 3.443
16 Central_Greek + Central_Greek + Lebanese_Druze + West_Sicilian @ 3.449
17 Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze @ 3.451
18 Assyrian + Lebanese_Druze + South_Italian + Southwest_French @ 3.455
19 Central_Greek + Greek + Lebanese_Druze + South_Italian @ 3.477
20 Lebanese_Druze + South_Italian + South_Italian + Tuscan @ 3.483


Oracle-X:

Pct. Calc. Option 2

1 South_Italian 52.49%
2 Italian_Jewish 15.02%
3 Lebanese_Druze 10.17%
4 Iranian 8.69%
5 La_Brana-1 5.59%
6 Hungarian 5.01%
7 Italian_Abruzzo 3.01%
8 East_Sicilian 0.03%
9 Romanian 0.00%
10 Central_Greek 0.00%

[Sikeliot]

He is similar to Sicilians especially those from isolated areas. I suspect with more Calabrese results turning up we'll see that his is nothing out of the ordinary.

[Black Wolf]

He is similar to Sicilians especially those from isolated areas. I suspect with more Calabrese results turning up we'll see that his is nothing out of the ordinary.

Well he and that one Calabrian you share with from Catanzaro both score quite high in the Middle Eastern component on Ancestry Composition at 23andme while a few other Calabrians I share with from the Reggio di Calabria province on 23andme do not score as high as them. One of them is only 2.1% Middle Eastern and is 89.2% Italian. Why is there such a difference I wonder?

[Sikeliot]

Well he and that one Calabrian you share with from Catanzaro both score quite high in the Middle Eastern component on Ancestry Composition at 23andme while a few other Calabrians I share with from the Reggio di Calabria province on 23andme do not score as high as them. One of them is only 2.1% Middle Eastern and is 89.2% Italian. Why is there such a difference I wonder?

Isolation. On Dodecad and Eurogenes they may score similarly actually.. I almost wonder if those who score more Middle Eastern simply acquired it more recently. I don't fully trust 23andme's Ancestry Composition having seen now people with similar autosomal results on Eurogenes scoring radically differently on 23andme.

[Black Wolf]

Isolation. On Dodecad and Eurogenes they may score similarly actually.. I almost wonder if those who score more Middle Eastern simply acquired it more recently. I don't fully trust 23andme's Ancestry Composition having seen now people with similar autosomal results on Eurogenes scoring radically differently on 23andme.

Yes I am sure that on the Eurogenes calculators at GEDmatch they all would score quite similarly. For some reason on Ancestry Composition at 23andme they do not though with some like my grandfather scoring a lot of Middle Eastern while others like that Italian from Reggio di Calabria I mentioned above scoring barely any Middle Eastern. I have wondered if my grandfather's high Middle Eastern score means more recent ancestry from either West Asia/Anatolia or the Near East before as well? I wonder how recent?

[Sikeliot]

Yes I am sure that on the Eurogenes calculators at GEDmatch they all would score quite similarly. For some reason on Ancestry Composition at 23andme they do not though with some like my grandfather scoring a lot of Middle Eastern while others like that Italian from Reggio di Calabria I mentioned above scoring barely any Middle Eastern. I have wondered if my grandfather's high Middle Eastern score means more recent ancestry from either West Asia/Anatolia or the Near East before as well? I wonder how recent?

On Dodecad I have seen people from Reggio Calabria being amongst the highest in the West Asian components of all Italians I've seen, so I am unsure. But then on 23andme they aren't. Either way Reggio is considered to be an extension of Sicily on the mainland, and they have had a lot more contact with Greece than the rest of Calabria into the Middle Ages.