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Kazimiera
05-26-2014, 03:38 PM
Redheaded Italians – where do they come from?

http://jacksitaly.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/redhead4.jpg?w=960&h=603

The Jewish myth

For many centuries it was believed that red hair in Mediterranean countries came from Jewish ancestors. Although red hair is also fairly common amongst the Ashkenazi Jewish populations, possibly because of the influx of European DNA over a period of centuries, we have to dismiss this explanation as a whole. In European culture, prior to the 20th century, red hair was often seen as a stereotypically Jewish trait: during the Spanish Inquisition, all those with red hair were identified as Jewish. In Italy, red hair was associated with Italian Jews, and Judas was traditionally depicted as red-haired in Italian and Spanish art. Writers from Shakespeare to Dickens would identify Jewish characters by giving them red hair. The stereotype that red hair is Jewish remains in parts of Eastern Europe and Russia. But stereotypes and science have little in common.

Besides, early Renaissance artist Sandro Botticelli’s famous painting The Birth of Venus (1486) depicts the mythological goddess Venus as a redhead. Sandro Botticelli would never have done this if red hair was associated with Jewishness. The Pope would have killed him. Don’t forget, due to the opinion of the Catholic Church, it was illegal to marry a redhead in parts of Italy until the 18th century.

http://jacksitaly.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/redhead1.jpg?w=960&h=1302

So where does red hair in Italian people come from?

A DNA study has concluded that some Neanderthals also had red hair, although the mutation responsible for this differs from that which causes red hair in modern humans. Thus this doesn’t take us any further.

The Roman historian Tacitus brings us closer to the truth. He commented on the “red hair and large limbs of the inhabitants of Caledonia”, which he connected with some red haired Gaulish (Celtic) tribes.

In fact, red hair has long been associated with Celtic people. Both the ancient Greeks and Romans described the Celts as redheads. It is undeniable too that the highest frequencies are always observed in Celtic areas, especially in those that remained Celtic-speaking to this day (Scotland and Ireland) or until recently. We won’t go into the question if red hair originated with the Celtic people.

http://jacksitaly.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/redhead3.jpg?w=960&h=722

The history of the Celts in Italy

Coming from the Central European Danube area, the Italic branch of the Celts crossed the Alps around 600 BC, led by Bellovesus, and settled across most of the Italian peninsula, but especially in Central Italy (Umbrians, Latins, Oscans). They inhabited the territory between Milan and Cremona, identifying the local inhabitants of their own time, the Insubres, with these immigrating Gauls. Tarquinius Priscus was reigning in Rome at the time. According to Italian scholars, it is incorrect to think the question of the Celtic presence in Northern Italy in terms of invasions. It is increasingly evident that the presence of Celts in northern Italy dates prior to the waves of invaders described in classical sources, and that subalpine Italy was involved “in its very own primary process of the ethno-linguistic definition of the Celtic nation” (Pallottino).

It is likely that the original Italics had just as much red hair as the Celts and Germans, but lost them progressively as they intermarried with their dark-haired neighbours, like the Etruscans. The subsequent Gaulish Celtic settlements in northern Italy increased the rufosity in areas that had priorly been non-Indo-European (Ligurian, Etruscan, Rhaetic) and therefore dark-haired.

These Celts in northern Italy were called the Golaseccans and Cisalpine Gauls. The first recorded use of the word Celts to refer to an ethnic group was by Hecataeus of Miletus, the Greek geographer, in 517 BC, when writing about a people living near “Massilia” (Marseille). According to the testimony of Julius Caesar and Strabo, the Latin name Celtus was borrowed from a native Celtic tribal name. The Romans kept redheaded slaves, who due to their novelty value held a higher price.

Sites characteristic of Golasecca culture have been identified in western Lombardy, eastern Piedmont, the Canton Ticino and Val Mesolcina, in a territory stretching north of the Po River to sub-alpine zones, between the course of the Serio to the east and the Sesia to the west. The site of Golasecca, where the Ticino exits from Lake Maggiore, flourished for particularly favorable geographical circumstances as it was particularly suitable for long-distance exchanges, in which Golaseccans acted as intermediaries between Etruscans and the Halstatt culture of Austria, supported on the all-important trade in salt.

Cisalpine Gaul (Gallia Cisalpina), also called Gallia Citerior or Gallia Togata, was a Roman province until 41 BC, when it was merged into Roman Italy. It was that part of Gallia, the land of the Gauls, which lay south and east of the Alps (the “near side”, from the perspective of the Romans), as opposed to Gallia Transalpina (Gaul “across the Alps”). Its inhabitants were primarily Celtic since the expulsion of the Etruscans.

The province was bounded on the north and west by the Alps, in the south as far as Placentia by the river Po, and then by the Apennines and the river Rubicon, and in the east by the Adriatic Sea. In 49 BC all inhabitants of Cisalpine Gaul received Roman citizenship, and eventually the province was divided among four of the eleven regiones of Italy: Regio VIII Gallia Cispadana, Regio IX Liguria, Regio X Venetia et Histria and Regio XI Gallia Transpadana. It corresponds roughly to the current Northern Italy.

In the first millennium B.C., Cisalpine Gaul was inhabited chiefly by four peoples: the Veneti and Ligurians in Transpadana, the Etruscans (in Emilia), and the Celts, who had conquered the area from the Etruscans and Raetians. These last may have been an Illyrian or Celtic tribe, or Etruscans, which is more likely in view of their linguistic relationship.

http://jacksitaly.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/redhead5.jpg?w=960&h=720

The end of the Celts in Italy

The Roman army was routed in the battle of Alesia, and Rome was sacked in 390 BC by the Senones. The defeat of the combined Samnite, Celtic and Etruscan alliance by the Romans in the Third Samnite War ending in 290 B.C. sounded the beginning of the end of the Celtic domination in mainland Europe. At the Battle of Telamon in 225 BC, a large Celtic army was trapped between two Roman forces and crushed. However, it was not until 192 BC that the Roman armies conquered the last remaining independent Celtic kingdoms in Italy. The conquest of Transalpine Gaul began around 125-121 BC, with the occupation of the entire Mediterranean area between the Ligurian Alps and the Pyrenees, formed later in the province of Narbonne Gaul. Like all the Celts, the Gauls were subdivided into numerous tribes, which only rarely managed to unite to face a common enemy, as when, in 52 BC, many tribes led by Vercingetorix rebelled against Caesar ‘s conquest of Gaul. The northern Gaul came under the rule of Rome as a result of campaigning by Caesar between 58 and 50 BC.

Thanks largely to the testimony given by Caesar in his De Bello Gallico, the Gallic civilization is by far the most known among those developed by the Celts in ancient times, even if the observations of the Roman statesman are likely to be extensible – at least in a general way – to all the Celts. Caesar describes the Gallic society as living in family groups and divided into three classes: the producers, consisting of farmers provided with formal rights, but politically subservient to the ruling classes; the warriors, holders of political rights, who were entrusted with the exercise of military functions; and the class of the druids, priests, judges and guardians of culture, traditions and collective identity of a people fragmented into numerous tribes.

http://jacksitaly.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/redhead2.jpg?w=960&h=647

The strongest survived

Nowadays red hair is about as common in northern and in central Italy. Mediterranean people have considerably darker pigmentations (higher eumelanin), especially as far as hair is considered, giving the red hair alleles little opportunity to express themselves. The reddish tinge is always concealed by black hair, and rarely visible in dark brown hair. Rufosity being recessive, it can easily stay hidden if the alleles are too dispersed in the gene pool, and that the chances of both parents carrying an allele becomes too low. Furthermore, natural selection also progressively pruned red hair from the Mediterranean populations, because the higher amount of sunlight and strong UV rays in the region was more likely to cause potentially fatal melanoma in fair-skinned redheads.

And, before we forget: red hair is beautiful!

(My first Italian girlfriend, the mother of my second daughter, was a redhead too, and for many years I wondered where it came from, as she was the only redhead in the family.)


Source: http://jacksitaly.wordpress.com/2013/10/11/redheaded-italians-where-do-they-come-from/

Sikeliot
05-26-2014, 03:44 PM
Italo-Celtic genes.

Feral
05-26-2014, 03:45 PM
Is this from where my red-haired beard come from? :D (?)

Artek
05-28-2014, 07:36 AM
Is this from where my red-haired beard come from? :D (?)
Slavs, for example, frequently have red-haired beards but not so much a red hair.

As for the red hair in the Italy - it came from multiple sources. But the most important are Celts, I guess. Maybe also an older, farmer-like stock of Middle-Easterners.

Sikeliot
05-28-2014, 07:40 AM
The original Italics were said to be related to Celts, also. This might explain some of the phenotypes that can be found in parts of Italy.

Rudel
05-28-2014, 08:14 AM
In fact, red hair has long been associated with Celtic people. Both the ancient Greeks and Romans described the Celts as redheads. It is undeniable too that the highest frequencies are always observed in Celtic areas, especially in those that remained Celtic-speaking to this day (Scotland and Ireland) or until recently. We won’t go into the question if red hair originated with the Celtic people.
My Gaulish apparently used to dye their hair a lot. People from modern Celtic-speaking areas aren't more Celtic than anyone from France, Switzerland etc.

Linebacker
05-28-2014, 11:05 AM
Never heard of Italian redheads.In my head I imagine Italian women as dark,brunette and very sexy.

Ianus
07-05-2014, 07:13 PM
My greatgrandparents were redhairs and Apulians

Peyrol
07-05-2014, 07:18 PM
If the two most common surnames are Rossi in the north and Russo in the south (both with the meaning of ''red'') there is a precise reason, uh...

Styrian Mujo
07-05-2014, 07:19 PM
Where and when did red hair originate?

Ulla
07-05-2014, 07:53 PM
Rutuli (Rutulians), an ancient population of central Italy. Unfortunately, we know very little. But all the Italic peoples were from the same stock of the Celts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutuli

Ulla
07-05-2014, 08:07 PM
Never heard of Italian redheads.In my head I imagine Italian women as dark,brunette and very sexy.

http://www.fotoportale.it/modelle/ElisabettaC/

or actress Cristiana Capotondi

http://www.sorrisi.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/capotondi.jpg

Prisoner Of Ice
07-05-2014, 08:16 PM
AKA "actual europeans", some of whom remain everywhere in europe.

http://i.imgur.com/xSt4KAm.jpg

Earliest depiction of ancient etruscans. Most seem to be redheads.

http://i.imgur.com/0ya9smY.jpg?1

Etruscans meeting with romans. Hilariously, people love to show the swarty slaves and musicians who are servants as the etruscans. The etruscans are actually the pale blonde ones on thoe couchs being entertained and fed, though.


Where and when did red hair originate?

Many neanderthals had red hair. Human red hair probably mutated from that. If not, no one knows.

interes
07-05-2014, 08:48 PM
Italo-Celtic genes.

NO why? more Italo -Germanic not Celtic .

Ulla
07-05-2014, 08:52 PM
NO why? more Italo -Germanic not Celtic .

Italics are related to Celts, not to Germanics.

Vesuvian Sky
07-05-2014, 09:01 PM
Clearly: Bell Beaker-Proto-Italo-Celtic beamed all over the place.

interes
07-05-2014, 09:01 PM
Italics are related to Celts, not to Germanics.

but modern italians mixed moregermanic than celtic

wvwvw
07-05-2014, 09:11 PM
but modern italians mixed moregermanic than celtic

Won't you ask who is whiter ? I'm disappointed at you

interes
07-05-2014, 09:21 PM
Won't you ask who is whiter ? I'm disappointed at you

Ok :D :D :D

Insuperable
07-05-2014, 09:22 PM
Italics.

Guapo
07-05-2014, 09:25 PM
neanderthalics

Ulla
07-05-2014, 10:30 PM
AKA "actual europeans", some of whom remain everywhere in europe.

http://i.imgur.com/xSt4KAm.jpg

Earliest depiction of ancient etruscans. Most seem to be redheads.

http://i.imgur.com/0ya9smY.jpg?1

Etruscans meeting with romans. Hilariously, people love to show the swarty slaves and musicians who are servants as the etruscans. The etruscans are actually the pale blonde ones on thoe couchs being entertained and fed, though.

Etruscans meeting with Romans in Etruria. Agree, surely Etruscans didn't use themselves as servants.

Ulla
07-05-2014, 10:31 PM
but modern italians mixed moregermanic than celtic

Well. Mixed with Germanic people recently, but historically much more with Celts.

Peter Nirsch
07-05-2014, 10:33 PM
They come from Germanic countries, of course. Romans were amazed by Germanics.

Ulla
07-05-2014, 10:37 PM
They come from Germanic countries, of course. Romans were amazed by Germanics.

You're wrong. Even some ancient Roman surnames (cognomina) mean redheaded person (example: Fulvus).

And Rutulians, allied with Etruscans, were one of the first Italic people, named for their "blonde-red" hair.

Also several Roman and Greek writers mention redheaded people.

Xanthias
07-05-2014, 10:41 PM
Celts, obvious.

Gaston
07-05-2014, 10:45 PM
Red hair is also found in MENAs and some South Asians which means there is no correlation with celtic languages.

interes
07-05-2014, 10:51 PM
Red hair is also found in MENAs and some South Asians which means there is no correlation with celtic languages.

This

Ulla
07-05-2014, 11:13 PM
Portrait of Bartolomeo Panciatichi (1507 – 1582), Florentine merchant originally from Pistoia, Tuscany (paintings by Florentine Agnolo Bronzino)

http://www.frammentiarte.it/dal%20Gotico/Bronzino%20opere/09%20bronzino%20-%20ritratto%20di%20bartolomeo%20panciatichi.jpg

Portrait of Tuscan bishop Giovanni Della Casa (1503-1556), by Tuscan painter Jacopo Carrucci known as Pontormo

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/Jacopo_Pontormo_057.jpg

Scipio Africanus
07-07-2014, 05:31 PM
AKA "actual europeans", some of whom remain everywhere in europe.

http://i.imgur.com/xSt4KAm.jpg

Earliest depiction of ancient etruscans. Most seem to be redheads.

http://i.imgur.com/0ya9smY.jpg?1

Etruscans meeting with romans. Hilariously, people love to show the swarty slaves and musicians who are servants as the etruscans. The etruscans are actually the pale blonde ones on thoe couchs being entertained and fed, though.


This fresco is not Etruscan.. Danzatrici di Ruvo, Puglia (Museo Archeologico di Napoli)

http://cir.campania.beniculturali.it/museoarcheologiconazionale/thematic-views/image-gallery/RA123?set_language=en

Mostly seems redhead? I don't see it
http://www.famedisud.it/wp-content/uploads/danzatrici-di-ruvo1.jpg

The second is not a meeting between Roman and Etruscan,here you can read what is represented in this fresco

http://www2.fci.unibo.it/~baccolin/tomba%20leopardi/The%20Tomb%20of%20the%20Leopards.htm



Rutuli are not Italic people (linguistically talking) like Latin,Samnite,Venetic,Umbrian ecc
They origin is uncertain

Grace O'Malley
07-07-2014, 05:51 PM
Red hair like any colour of hair is just due to the genetics of the parents. Red hair is not "Celtic" and blond hair is not "Germanic". All populations have red hair and blond hair just some populations have more due to favourable conditions, bottlenecks and isolation. The reason why red hair is so prevalent in populations in the British Isles is due to the environment and also populations like the Irish, Welsh and Scottish have been a bit isolated and the conditions are ideal for fair skin and red hair. The same with Scandinavia and blond hair. The more input from outside populations with less of these genes the less red hair in the population. Italians would have the genes for red hair as well but there is less of these genes in the general population as the Italians are not such an isolated population.

Roy
07-07-2014, 06:07 PM
You're wrong. Even some ancient Roman surnames (cognomina) mean redheaded person (example: Fulvus).

And Rutulians, allied with Etruscans, were one of the first Italic people, named for their "blonde-red" hair.

Also several Roman and Greek writers mention redheaded people.


Infamous (?) Roman Emperor Nero was a redhead.

Smaug
07-07-2014, 06:07 PM
Celts.


My Gaulish apparently used to dye their hair a lot. People from modern Celtic-speaking areas aren't more Celtic than anyone from France, Switzerland etc.

Yes they are more Celtic because they managed to preserve their culture and language.

Ulla
07-07-2014, 06:55 PM
The second is not a meeting between Roman and Etruscan,here you can read what is represented in this fresco

http://www2.fci.unibo.it/~baccolin/tomba%20leopardi/The%20Tomb%20of%20the%20Leopards.htm

That's the description written in the late 1920s by D.H.Lawrence, "English novelist, poet, playwright, essayist". Just a poetic interpretation.


Rutuli are not Italic people (linguistically talking) like Latin,Samnite,Venetic,Umbrian ecc. They origin is uncertain

Conventionally, all the ancient civilizations are called Italics, also the Etruscans. If we don't know who were the Rutulians, how you can state that they were not an Italic people linguistically talking? Are there Rutulian inscriptions somewhere?

Anyway, you've missed Melonhead's point. He meant that people, especially on the forums, consider the Etruscans as the swarty ones. When there are lots of examples in their frescoes of Etruscan people that are not swarthy indeed.

Ulla
07-07-2014, 07:09 PM
http://cdn.eupedia.com/images/content/red_hair_map_europe.jpg

Rudel
07-07-2014, 08:28 PM
Yes they are more Celtic because they managed to preserve their culture and language.
Which is irrelevant where genetics are concerned. Notwithstanding all the self-proclaimed "Celts" being Anglos or French at this point.

Comte Arnau
07-07-2014, 08:36 PM
Regarding many of the redheads in pictures from the Renaissance, just saying it was already trendy to bleach hair back then. What's more, some of the redheads were actually failed attempts of bleaching it blond.

Smaug
07-07-2014, 09:21 PM
Which is irrelevant where genetics are concerned. Notwithstanding all the self-proclaimed "Celts" being Anglos or French at this point.

People from the Celtic Nations are not Anglos or French. Genetics is the least important thing regarding Celticity, culture and language are more important.

Ulla
07-08-2014, 11:48 AM
Regarding many of the redheads in pictures from the Renaissance, just saying it was already trendy to bleach hair back then. What's more, some of the redheads were actually failed attempts of bleaching it blond.

A little bit more complicated, they both don't look failed attempts of bleaching it blond. Anyway Redheads were much more loved by painters than people.

"In rufa pelle non est aliquis sine felle; quando dicit ave, sicut ab hoste cave." .

"Never trust a redhead".

Cesare Augusto
07-09-2014, 05:05 AM
Infamous (?) Roman Emperor Nero was a redhead.

This fresco from Nero's Domus Aurea depicts him with brown hair.

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/47/86/d4/4786d404f317b1d4b3cc50dbbab789ae.jpg

The emperor Nero belonged to the Ahenobarbus family. Ahenobarbus does not mean "red beard"; it is "bronze beard". Bronze in the context of color is regarded as brown. Red beard is Rufabarba.

LightHouse89
07-09-2014, 05:35 AM
Celts of course. My step brother has red hair and is 100% Italian......he is northern Italians though.

Volscian
07-11-2014, 02:54 PM
It may be strange but even Mediterraneans can produce red hair without the influence of Celtics, Germanics or Hyperboreans...:cool:

FeederOfRavens
07-11-2014, 09:54 PM
It mostly from Celts.

Ulla
08-27-2014, 09:19 AM
Italian redheads

http://www.rossitalia.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/DSC_7399-1540x1024.jpg

http://www.rossitalia.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Rossitalia-2013-4-1536x1024.jpg

http://www.rossitalia.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/DSC_7866-1540x1024.jpg

http://www.rossitalia.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/DSC_7441.jpg

Ctwentysevenj
08-27-2014, 09:24 AM
I went to school with Italian with red hair. He was in another classroom. I think he had freckles too.

TCDA1986
08-27-2014, 09:26 AM
Thank you Ulla for the pictures. :) Also can someone post more pics of red head Italians? To show the features as well. I remember there was once one thread of a Napolitan actress who looked Irish...


Never heard of Italian redheads.In my head I imagine Italian women as dark,brunette and very sexy.

There is a mix of everything, it is a very varied country.

I think because the ones who emigrated to the US were usually from the South this is the stereotype the world sees.

Ctwentysevenj
08-27-2014, 09:27 AM
Italian readheads

http://www.rossitalia.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/DSC_7399-1540x1024.jpg

http://www.rossitalia.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Rossitalia-2013-4-1536x1024.jpg

http://www.rossitalia.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/DSC_7866-1540x1024.jpg

http://www.rossitalia.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/DSC_7441.jpg


The über Italiens. Sikeliot would not approve, not Arab enough!

Ulla
08-27-2014, 09:29 AM
They are all Italians, also the guy with the Scottish kilt (source: http://www.rossitalia.it/)

http://www.rossitalia.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/DSC_8988-1540x1024.jpg

http://www.rossitalia.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Rossitalia-2012-5-1536x1024.jpg

http://www.rossitalia.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Rossitalia-2012-6-1535x1024.jpg

http://www.rossitalia.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Rossitalia-2012-4-1536x1024.jpg

http://www.rossitalia.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Rossitalia-2013-2-1536x1024.jpg

http://www.rossitalia.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Rossitalia-2012-2-1535x1024.jpg

http://www.rossitalia.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/DSC_7399-1540x1024.jpg

TCDA1986
08-27-2014, 09:32 AM
I am not surprised by this, I have cousins and friends in Argentina who have red hair and pure white "red head" freckled skin,a nd their ancestry is dominant Italian-Spanish.

Ulla
08-27-2014, 09:52 AM
Thank you Ulla for the pictures. :) Also can someone post more pics of red head Italians? To show the features as well. I remember there was once one thread of a Napolitan actress who looked Irish...

Di niente! The Neapolitan actress could be Giuliana De Sio.

http://www.surrentum.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/giuliana-de-sio.jpg

Ulla
08-27-2014, 10:02 AM
There is a mix of everything, it is a very varied country.

True. Italians are aware to live in a very varied country, they generally accept this internal diversity but for the same reason Italians don't like stereotypes on themselves.


I think because the ones who emigrated to the US were usually from the South this is the stereotype the world sees.

Agree. The ones who emigrated to the US were usually from the poorest places in the South Italy, where you probably find the most exotic types. But not all the places in South Italy were poor in the same way and there are lots of Southern Italians that can pass even in Continental Europe.

Volscian
08-27-2014, 10:04 AM
Di niente! The Neapolitan actress could be Giuliana De Sio.

http://www.surrentum.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/giuliana-de-sio.jpg

Non credo che la De Sio sia naturalmente rossa, credo che lui si riferisca a Serena Autieri, ma anche lei non è rossa.

Ulla
08-27-2014, 10:07 AM
Non credo che la De Sio sia naturalmente rossa, credo che lui si riferisca a Serena Autieri, ma anche lei non è rossa.

Non lo so se è una rossa naturale, ma nelle poche foto da giovane che sto trovando sembra credibile come rossa naturale, magari del tipo più castano. Sì la Autieri è decisamente una bionda naturale.

Panormus
08-27-2014, 10:12 AM
Some Sicilians with red hair:

http://cdn1.stbm.it/invidia/gallery/foto_gallery/cinema-e-tv/claudio-gioe-torna-in-tv-con-il-xiii-apostolo/claudio-gioe-in-posa-a-roma_1.jpeg?-3600

http://www.lanostratv.it/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/claudio-gio%C3%A8.jpg

http://www.gazzettadelsud.it/resizer.jsp?img=zcVYnplgPUy4Du5KFxcO8YAuPulplw6QqA z7OSeYjDk%3D&w=345&h=-1&maximize=true

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a8/Dampyr82/Girls/Miriam%20Leone/miriam-leone-3.jpg

TCDA1986
08-27-2014, 10:17 AM
The actress I meant was Serena Autieri, as was said by Volscian, I found now the thread.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?133367-Classify-Italian-actress-Serena-Autieri&highlight=naples

bionda naturale!! :cool::thumb001:

Ulla
08-27-2014, 10:19 AM
The actress I meant was Serena Autieri, as was said by Volscian, I found now the thread.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?133367-Classify-Italian-actress-Serena-Autieri&highlight=naples

bionda naturale!! :cool::thumb001:

Ah, ok. So Volscian was right. :)

But Serena is more blonde than redhead, I guess. :)

Cristiana Capotondi is a redhead

http://www.sorrisi.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/capotondi.jpg

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?68301-Classify-Cristiana-Capotondi

TCDA1986
08-27-2014, 10:23 AM
Ah, ok. So Volscian was right. :)

But Serena is more blonde than redhead, I guess. :)

Cristiana Capotondi is a redhead

http://www.sorrisi.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/capotondi.jpg

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?68301-Classify-Cristiana-Capotondi

At a first look I would have said redhead for Serena but I guess she is between. :)

Ulla
08-27-2014, 10:30 AM
Also can someone post more pics of red head Italians? To show the features as well

Other pics, I hope you can read Italian

http://mattinopadova.gelocal.it/foto-e-video/2014/02/06/fotogalleria/i-rossi-in-estinzione-ecco-le-vostre-foto-1.8616165?p=0

TCDA1986
08-27-2014, 10:37 AM
Other pics, I hope you can read Italian

http://mattinopadova.gelocal.it/foto-e-video/2014/02/06/fotogalleria/i-rossi-in-estinzione-ecco-le-vostre-foto-1.8616165?p=0

Grazie! It's a very interesting album I recommend to everyone!

I can read:thumb001: I just can't write very well :(

Ulla
08-27-2014, 10:47 AM
Grazie! It's a very interesting album I recommend to everyone!

Most of them are from Veneto (the newspaper is Padova based) but there also some Southern Italians (from Sicily and other Southern regions).

Paunovic
08-27-2014, 11:03 AM
If they are Italians redheads they come from Italy, I can't understand why there is so much mysticism about redheads... Almost Everybody has redhead in some degree, if it's not your head hair then it's in is your beard or pubic area.

Ianus
08-27-2014, 11:17 AM
My first crush was with a redhair girl

LightHouse89
08-27-2014, 12:41 PM
probably less than 1% of the population.

Balmung
08-27-2014, 12:57 PM
Never heard of Italian redheads.In my head I imagine Italian women as dark,brunette and very sexy.

They have them as do the Iberians and IMO they're better looking generally than their counterparts. They usually have a darker shade of red unfreckled better skin complexions that can tan. Usually never looking like this guy lol

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/tXwzMoEnpxU/hqdefault.jpg

Ulla
08-27-2014, 01:09 PM
probably less than 1% of the population.

1% of Italians are 600,000 people. Iceland has 320,000 inhabitants (298,618 ethnic Icelandics)

Mirko
08-27-2014, 01:17 PM
Fabrizio Bracconeri
http://s10.postimg.org/p0rf1r6op/bracconeri.jpg
(http://postimage.org/)http://s7.postimg.org/uylpmeem3/fattsh.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

Grace O'Malley
08-29-2014, 03:33 PM
They have them as do the Iberians and IMO they're better looking generally than their counterparts. They usually have a darker shade of red unfreckled better skin complexions that can tan. Usually never looking like this guy lol

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/tXwzMoEnpxU/hqdefault.jpg

He's about the worst example of a redhead you could pick. There are lots of lovely redheads. There are ugly blonds and brunets as well. You know us Irish and Brits get a hard time from other nationalities who are always putting our looks down and now here you are putting our redheads down. :)

LightHouse89
08-29-2014, 04:25 PM
My Gaulish apparently used to dye their hair a lot. People from modern Celtic-speaking areas aren't more Celtic than anyone from France, Switzerland etc.

Thats right...they actually are not celtic at all. Insular celts or cultural celts are mostly Germanic mixed with Paleolithic peoples. But celtic culture survives with them.

LightHouse89
08-29-2014, 04:27 PM
He's about the worst example of a redhead you could pick. There are lots of lovely redheads. There are ugly blonds and brunets as well. You know us Irish and Brits get a hard time from other nationalities who are always putting our looks down and now here you are putting our redheads down. :)

Dont mind him he is some American Wog from Cali...... anyway here where I live red heads, blondes and nordic features are the most attractive.... in that sunny state they like brown and black women and worship them too. By the way one red haired irish/british women is worth more than 1,000 wogs to me.

LightHouse89
08-29-2014, 04:29 PM
1% of Italians are 600,000 people. Iceland has 320,000 inhabitants (298,618 ethnic Icelandics)

Yes indeed. But from my observations of Italians at least from central to southern italy is dark brown/black hair and dark eyes.....tan skin. I cannot imagine red heads there as being more than 1% or even 1% of the population. The lightest italians I have ever seen have usually light brown hair and maybe lighter colored eyes....but not red hair... I mean I have never seen one thats probably why. Most people of italian descent here are sicilians and southerners and they look like middle eastern people to me. I know northern italians do not look that way though.

Elsa
08-29-2014, 04:32 PM
Rosita Pompili

http://i.imgur.com/KEz6L6B.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4YGmfBD.jpg

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?117441-Classify-Redheaded-Italian-model-Rosita-Pompili

Faklon
08-29-2014, 04:47 PM
Bandiera Rossa

Sir_Kat
09-05-2014, 05:05 PM
They come from Khazars.