Breaking up your country

[Äijä]

How many independent countries or autonomous regions that have a ethnocultural history as distinct entity can you create from your country?

Not talking about economic viability, that is largely subjective and debatable.
I am an advocate of the Swiss model direct democracy and part of it is giving more power to the regional level.






Finland has an historical West-East divide and modern divide with the Metropolitan Toontown.

These are best suited as autonomous regions, not as sovereign countries.

The Sami, unlike many think, dont have a case even for much autonomy, maybe a small a reservation and a casino, money is their main interest anyways.

[Smaug]

Two or three.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SMXrqtpwR3k/TUioIZel_zI/AAAAAAAAACM/w3eS1fj-r5w/s640/BRASIL+DIVIDIDO.png

[Äijä]

Two or three.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SMXrqtpwR3k/TUioIZel_zI/AAAAAAAAACM/w3eS1fj-r5w/s640/BRASIL+DIVIDIDO.png

Countries or autonomy in your opinion?

[Harkonnen]

The Sami, unlike many think, dont have a case even for much autonomy, maybe a small a reservation and a casino, money is their main interest anyways.

On what do you base this opinion?

Not that I think it would really have any point for them to have autonomy.

[Raven_]

There is only one region where certain groups put real efforts to alienate it from he rest of the country. But it's leaders seem more like a proxy of Kremlin's aspirations to create a frozen zone similar to Transnistria and South Ossetia. It's unlikely it would secede, but the direction of influence is very clear neverthless.

[Smaug]

Countries or autonomy in your opinion?

Countries in my opinion. The southern half of the country is very different from the rest under a cultural point of view.

[Äijä]

On what do you base this opinion?

Not that I think it would really have any point for them to have autonomy.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/77/Regions_in_Finland.svg/253px-Regions_in_Finland.svg.png

These are the historical ones (the grey borders) and they would make good Cantons.
Helsinki on its own naturally.

[Äijä]

Oh, sorry, you quoted only the Sami part, well their claims are more more becoming debunked.

[Harkonnen]

Oh, sorry, you quoted only the Sami part, well their claims are more more becoming debunked.

Specify.

[Äijä]

Specify.

That they are more aboriginal than the rest of the population or that they have ancient land holdings they can claim back.

[Harkonnen]

That they are more aboriginal than the rest of the population or that they have ancient land holdings they can claim back.

In Lapland, they are without a doubt, the best representative for indigenous population. It is historical fact that Finns colonized Lapland rather late and before that there lived, drumroll, Saami. Finnish linguists also agree that Saamic languages precede Finnic ones on Finnish soil (including southern Finland). Genetically there is no doubt that a large part of their ancestry belongs to these dark woods from way back. I'm not interested that much on land politics, but I've understood, they're main interest is grazing rights.

[Smaug]

I support something like this by the way:

http://i62.tinypic.com/35n8wvn.png

[Äijä]

In Lapland, they are without a doubt, the best representative for indigenous population. It is historical fact that Finns colonized Lapland rather late and before that there lived, drumroll, Saami. Finnish linguists also agree that Saamic languages precede Finnic ones on Finnish soil (including southern Finland). Genetically there is no doubt that a large part of their ancestry belongs to these woods from way back. I'm not interested that much on land politics, but I've understood, they're main interest is grazing rights.

Yes but also Finns have the same ancestry in lesser numbers.
Then the language issue, there seems to be a lot of difference between the dialects, can they even understand other dialects?
The grazing started late, how many are late comers compared to Finns or are they related to first Sami speakers even?
Finns also had lands and rights in Lapland, there is the dilemma.
They have the right to keep their language and culture.
But claims and rights for their own country are not valid with this evidence.

[Petry]

I support something like this by the way:

http://i62.tinypic.com/35n8wvn.png

And most people from all these states would support it but sadly it won't happen anytime soon. :(

[Smaug]

And most people from all these states would support it but sadly it won't happen anytime soon. :(

Hey, where have you been? You vanished!

[Dictator]

I support something like this by the way:

http://i62.tinypic.com/35n8wvn.png

I would really want to know the wonderful handsome euro iberian looking boy that did this masterpiece.

[Äijä]

And most people from all these states would support it but sadly it won't happen anytime soon. :(

It wont happen without demonstrations and pressure to politicians.

[Harkonnen]

But claims and rights for their own country are not valid with this evidence.


Do they really want they're own country, or is this some paranoia. I've honestly never heard of any Saami political movement for independence, but it could be that I'm not best informed on this matter. To me it seems to make little sense to botch up a nation state, nation states are so passe. And if those hillbillies are gonna stick to their traditions, a clear defined nation does not really fit to that cultural mode either. Anyway Lapland is huge and nobody lives there, and in 20 years even less, so I really have to wonder if those folks can't find room to live together.

[Petry]

Hey, where have you been? You vanished!

Studying. Btw on my way to college right now. :)

[Äijä]

Do they really want they're own country, or is this some paranoia. I've honestly never heard of any Saami political movement for independence, but it could be that I'm not best informed on this matter. To me it seems to make little sense to botch up a nation state, nation states are so passe. And if those hillbillies are gonna stick to their traditions, a clear defined nation does not really fit to that cultural mode either. Anyway Lapland is huge and nobody lives there, and in 20 years even less, so I really have to wonder if those folks can't find room to live together.

Yes they have some movement going and I think especially the young have been brainwashed with these aboriginal ideas from visiting foreign tribal leaders and left wing supporters.

Nation states are passe with strong central goverment, the Swiss model is not outdated at all and would fit Finland very well, also the Sami.
EU is passe but a confederation around the Baltic is a viable option for the modern world.

[Smaug]

I would really want to know the wonderful handsome euro iberian looking boy that did this masterpiece.

You of course. Sorry, I forgot crediting you :(

[Fear Fiain]

I want to break up with my country. We just don't share the same interests anymore. It's all into diversity, and tolerance, but then it wants to blame the consequences of that on guns, rather than take responsibility for it's diversity problem...
and you know we have such different interests, you know it's been getting into islam and atheist assembly, and I've been becoming further and further cemented in christianity's apostolic traditions...
there are parts of it that I'm still really in love with, like the south, and the pacific northwest, but all in all, we're just drifting apart, and I don't think it's working.

[Fear Fiain]

Yes but also Finns have the same ancestry in lesser numbers.
Then the language issue, there seems to be a lot of difference between the dialects, can they even understand other dialects?
The grazing started late, how many are late comers compared to Finns or are they related to first Sami speakers even?
Finns also had lands and rights in Lapland, there is the dilemma.
They have the right to keep their language and culture.
But claims and rights for their own country are not valid with this evidence.

non-sequitir: what kind of dogs are in your signature? can you give me background on the story of it?

[Äijä]

non-sequitir: what kind of dogs are in your signature? can you give me background on the story of it?


Hunding itself is a patronymic translating to "son of a hound", while the Hundings as a clan (sibb) would be the descendants of Hunding. Being named a "hound" or "dog" was by no means an insult in pre-Christian Germanic culture, but that the animal was rather a symbol of the warrior,[3] while in Christian Germanic culture, it became associated with heathendom, "heathen hounds" being an appellation especially of the pagan Vikings


The Hundingas in Old English literature are mentioned in Beowulf, and in Widsith. The Widsith poem mentions the Hundings twice, once in a list of Germanic clans, as ruled by Mearchalf, and a second time among outlandish tribes and peoples, in the sequence mid hæðnum ond mid hæleþum ond mid hundingum "with heathens, heroes and dog-people", implying a re-interpretation of the name as a remote people of "heathen hounds".[5] This re-interpretation is complete in a later Anglo-Saxon manuscript on the Marvels of the East, where the Cynocephali are glossed as healf hundingas.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundings

[Hong Key]

Civil War Two: The Coming Breakup of America
http://www.resist.com/CWII.pdf
http://www.rumormillnews.com/pix6/map_tomchittum.GIF



Russian Professor Predicts Breakup of US in 2010
http://the-american-catholic.com/2008/12/29/russian-professor-predicts-breakup-of-us-in-2010/
http://amcatholic.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/us_future_map1.gif

[Lemonhead]

Two or three.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SMXrqtpwR3k/TUioIZel_zI/AAAAAAAAACM/w3eS1fj-r5w/s640/BRASIL+DIVIDIDO.png

What are the main socio-economical characteristics of these 3 regions?

[EyeOfTheTiger]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/UN_Palestine_Partition_Versions_1947.jpg

[Fear Fiain]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundings

yes. but the actual dogs, what breed are they?
they remind me of karelian bear dogs somewhat, I thought it was a finnish hunting scene.

[Leliana]

Germany could be seperated into tree sovereign countries

1) Prussia (includes all of Northern Germany, capital Berlin)

2) Bavaria (all of South-East Germany plus huge parts of Austria, capital Munich, Vienna, Salzburg or Regensburg)

3) Saxony-Rhineland (parts of Western Germany and Eastern Germany, capital Cologne, Frankfurt or Leipzig)

[Cleitus]

Germany could be seperated into tree sovereigncountries

1) Prussia (includes all of Northern Germany, capital Berlin)
2) Bavaria (all of South-East Germany plus huge parts of Austria, capital Munich, Vienna, Salzburg or Regensburg)
3) Saxony-Rhineland (parts of Western Germany and Eastern Germany, capital Cologne, Frankfurt or Leipzig)
Um Gottes willen warum ?

[Borna]

Just commies from Istria

http://www.venere.com/img/mappe/MMR/istria.jpg

[Leliana]

Um Gottes willen warum ?
Weil das die Frage des Threadstarters ist?

Ich würds mir ja nicht wünschen und es wird auch nie so kommen, aber diese Teilung würde zumindest ansatzweise Sinn ergeben.

[Graham]

:P

http://www.clanbrodie.us/images/map_scot_clan_B.jpg

[Dictator]

What are the main socio-economical characteristics of these 3 regions?

This is a boring question, but I will explain the differences between the three.

The Green: A very "empty" part of Brazil, treated like a colony.
The Red: A very populated part of Brazil, treated like a spoiled son receiving all the money.
The Blue: The Part from where the money comes.

[Shuffle]

Well, let's see, Bavaria without Franconia but maybe with the western parts of Austria (Salzburg, Tyrol, the Innviertel from Upper-Austria) and South-Tyrol either with Vorarlberg or Vorarlberg joining Switzerland (not the eastern part of Austria because I think it's distinct). As a second the former GDR, they're very distinct from the rest of the country in many ways, you see the old border on many statistical maps. The northern part, Schleswig-Holstein, Niedersachsen, Bremen and Hamburg. Northrhine-Westphalia on it's own, in the middle Hessen, Rhineland-Palatinate and Sarre maybe the franconians could join (or get sold to the czechs :-D) last but not least Baden-Wuerttemberg which could be also split in Baden and Wuerttemberg, they're distinct from each other somehow, too, so I'd say 6 or 7 without any problems, maybe some more! :-D

[Smaug]

:P

http://www.clanbrodie.us/images/map_scot_clan_B.jpg

Scotland could be broken at very least in four entities: Lowlands, Highlands, Western Isles and Northern Isles.

[Äijä]

yes. but the actual dogs, what breed are they?
they remind me of karelian bear dogs somewhat, I thought it was a finnish hunting scene.

Dont know, just the scene is cool.

My father breeds Karelian Bear Dogs, I dont think these are.

And about their use, 1-3 is a normal number in a hunt, not more.

[Graham]

Scotland could be broken at very least in four entities: Lowlands, Highlands, Western Isles and Northern Isles.

Shetland, Orkney & Caithness all have a common bond. Western Isles yes. You could add Borders, Dumfries & Galloway.

[Äijä]

bumb

[Fernando Romero]

My Theory (according to cultural and economic point of view.

http://i58.tinypic.com/2cxan11.jpg

Grão-Pará (but i not like this name, i prefer Granadas)

Capital: Belém
Idiom: Portuguese (Accent of amazonico, use of second-person singular)
obs.:Granada is the name of the city where my ancestor maternal Diego Fernandez de Villavicencio y de los Rios (Villavicencio are ancestor of my Family) conquered. :cool:

Kermany or Hunsrony
Capital: Curitiba
Language: Portuguese and minor language German-Italia(Hunsrückisch, Pommersch, Talian...)
Obs.: Hunsrony is a tribute to Hunsrückisch... Kermany is derived for German(the name)

Platony or Lower Brasilia
Capital: Salvador.
Language: Portuguese.
Obs.: Platony it is, in fact, tribute to Platense...


It's just my theory, the names of these countries were invented by me.but I find this very perfect map... I do not know whether to agree with this ...