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Loki
05-28-2014, 08:58 PM
Peter Robinson under fire for backing Pastor James McConnell's Islamic remarks (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-27604841)

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Pastor James McConnell described Islam as "heathen" and "satanic", during an address on Sunday

Northern Ireland's first minister Peter Robinson has come under fire for defending a pastor who made controversial comments about Muslims.

James McConnell of the Metropolitan Tabernacle in north Belfast, described Islam as "heathen" and "satanic", and said he did not trust Muslims.

Mr Robinson said he would not trust Muslims involved in violence or those devoted to Sharia law.

But he said he would "trust them to go to the shops" for him.

Police said they were investigating "a hate crime motive" after complaints about Mr McConnell's remarks.

Mr McConnell made his remarks on Sunday 18 May, telling his congregation "a new evil had arisen" and "there are cells of Muslims right throughout Britain".

"Islam is heathen, Islam is satanic, Islam is a doctrine spawned in hell," he said.

He said he agreed with the late MP Enoch Powell, whose 1968 "Rivers of Blood" speech criticised immigration.

"Enoch Powell was a prophet, he called it that blood would flow on the streets and it has happened," he said.

Peter Robinson, Democratic Unionist Party first minister, who made the comments in an interview with the Irish News newspaper, has attended the evangelical church in the past.

'False prophesy'

Mr Robinson said that Mr McConnell had been demonised because of his remarks, and that there "isn't an ounce of hatred in his (the pastor's) bones".

Mr Robinson said that it was a duty of any preacher to denounce what he described as "false prophesy".

He went on to say that he would not trust Muslims either, particularly with regard to those who had been involved in violence, or those who are "fully devoted to Sharia law, I wouldn't trust them for spiritual guidance".

However, Mr Robinson said he would trust Muslims to "go down to the shops" for him or to deal with a number of other "day to day issues".

Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness of Sinn Féin called on Mr Robinson to show leadership in promoting equality, tolerance and mutual respect for all.

In response, Mr Robinson said on Twitter that he would not "take lectures from a self-confessed leader of a bloody terrorist organisation".

The two men have been meeting the Turkish ambassador on Wednesday.

Stormont Justice Minister David Ford said: "Frankly, it sounds like the kind of language that would have gone down well in South Africa a few years ago or the southern parts of the United States half a century ago."

Mr Ford, who is the Alliance Party leader, added: "Whatever the precise words, it conveys the impression that people are somehow less than others because of their religious beliefs or the colour of their skin, and that must be resisted."

Northern Ireland Secretary Theresa Villiers said: "I haven't seen Peter's comments in detail, but I feel that what Pastor McConnell said was wrong.

She added: "It's a matter for the first minister how he responds to these remarks - people obviously have different perspectives. For myself, I do condemn the remarks made by Pastor McConnell and don't believe they are justified - Islam is a peaceful religion."

A senior Belfast Muslim said Mr Robinson's remarks about members of his faith were "degrading and insulting".

Raied Al-Wazzan of the Belfast Islamic Centre said Mr Robinson's remarks about trusting Muslims to go the shops for him were "hurtful".

'Utterly disgraceful'

Khalid Anis from the Islamic Society of Britain told BBC Radio Ulster's Nolan Show that he was shocked that a prominent politician in a position of leadership could speak "with such a double tongue".

Mr Anis said that for a person in authority, like Mr Robinson, to make such remarks was "utterly disgraceful".

The Muslim Association of Britain said: "The pastor's comments not only hurt thousands of Muslims living peacefully in Northern Ireland, but also promote hatred and bigotry against all Muslims in the UK.

"The words of Mr Robinson demonstrate his lack of leadership, when as a representative he should be sensitive to the constituents he represents."

Respect MP George Galloway said Peter Robinson's comments "render him unfit to be the first minister".

"It's simply incredible... that someone with a duty to try and represent and protect the interests of all the people living in the place he is presiding over should endorse these kind of words," he said.

'Demeaning'

Ulster Unionist assembly member Danny Kinahan said Mr Robinson's comments had "caused a great deal of hurt and offence to many people".

"I do not believe that sweeping generalisations can be applied to an entire religion encompassing many hundreds of millions of people worldwide, and I seriously doubt that such sentiments will play well in a number of countries from which Invest NI are seeking to attract much-needed jobs and investment," he said.

Stewart Dickson of the Alliance Party said: "As first minister, Peter Robinson has a duty to represent the country and I am dismayed by his comments that he would only trust a Muslim to get him something from a shop.

"That is extremely demeaning and disrespectful to an entire religion."

Green Party leader Steven Agnew said: "Our first minister has sent out a message to the rest of the world that Northern Ireland is a closed and unwelcoming society."

Graham
05-28-2014, 09:00 PM
"heathen" and "satanic" loool haha. Good old school Presbyterian remarks right there.

Sikeliot
05-28-2014, 09:03 PM
Ideologies should not be protected like this, in the same manner that one would protect a race or sexual orientation. Islam is an ideology, something that can be chosen or distanced from at will.

Loki
05-28-2014, 09:04 PM
For myself, I do condemn the remarks made by Pastor McConnell and don't believe they are justified - Islam is a peaceful religion."


She doesn't seem to know much about Islam.

Sikeliot
05-28-2014, 09:06 PM
Islam in and of itself by its teachings is no more violent than other religions, but for some reason it has produced a lot of religious extremism.

Hweinlant
05-28-2014, 09:09 PM
Islam in and of itself by its teachings is no more violent than other religions, but for some reason it has produced a lot of religious extremism.

LOL. Islam is theocratic rule-book of fascism. It's no religion at all but a political ideology.

wvwvw
05-28-2014, 09:11 PM
Islam in and of itself by its teachings is no more violent than other religions, but for some reason it has produced a lot of religious extremism.

Can you quote some violent teachings of other religions? (cults excluded)

Sikeliot
05-28-2014, 09:11 PM
Can you quote some violent teachings of other religions? (cults excluded)

Anything in the Bible about stoning people.

Loki
05-28-2014, 09:11 PM
Islam in and of itself by its teachings is no more violent than other religions

It is. It has been violent since its inception.

Vorpal
05-28-2014, 09:13 PM
No islam in Poland yet, thank god.

Hweinlant
05-28-2014, 09:14 PM
It is. It has been violent since its inception.

What's wrong with these people ? They never boughtered to understand the very core beliefs of islam ? Islam = death to all non-muslims. That's the way it is. From day one.

wvwvw
05-28-2014, 09:15 PM
Stewart Dickson of the Alliance Party said: "As first minister, Peter Robinson has a duty to represent the country and I am dismayed by his comments that he would only trust a Muslim to get him something from a shop.

"That is extremely demeaning and disrespectful to an entire religiion


He does have a point though. Islam encourages takiya (deception for the cause of Allah) and also commands Muslims to distrust non-Muslims and not associate with them.

Islam is attacked not because Muhammad was a man of his time and did not know any better but because of the Sharia Law.

wvwvw
05-28-2014, 09:34 PM
Anything in the Bible about stoning people.

That is not a Christian teaching but an ancient law of an ancient people that lived 3000 BC. You need to undertand that the Old Tdstament is not a prescriptive book like the Quran is, but it is descriptive in nature.

Those archaic Jewish laws in the Torah are not eternal commands valid for all times and places. Christians look back at the Old Testament through the vision of Jesus.

For Christians, Jesus’ interpretation of these laws is final. He takes away their sharp sting with his death on the cross and by his sinless life and divine love.


The "law of God" in the Bible is based on the concept of "an eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth." This is the natural law of cause and effect; what goes up must come down; do unto others and the same will be done to you; live by the sword and you will die by the sword; you reap what you sow; every action has an equal and opposite reaction; the law of karma, etc... This is the law of nature and the law of the physical realm. While the effects of this law can be seen everywhere, there exists an even greater law revealed from higher sources. It is the law of love - forgiveness and grace. When someone strikes you in the face, you should not strike back. This will stop the vicious cycle of hurt in its tracks. It means loving even your enemies. It means unconditional love. The best way to undo "bad karma" is through love and forgiveness. Like love, forgiveness is a divine trait because God forgives everyone. Actually, NDE testimonies reveal there is really nothing for God to forgive us for. God allows us to make mistakes for higher reasons. God is love (1 John 4:16) and love keeps no record of wrongs (1 Corinthians.13:4-5). In fact, love removes a multitude of sins (1 Peter 4:8). Therefore, the law of God is love (Romans 13:10). The commandment of God is love (John 15:12). Love is the very gospel of God (John 3:16). Jesus taught how the way to eternal life is through love (Luke 10:25-28). Everyone who loves is "born of God" and knows God (1 John 4:7). We know we are "saved" if we love others (1 John 3:14). Love is the sign of being a disciple of Christ (John 13:35). Without love we are nothing (1 Corinthians 13:2). Without love we gain nothing (1 Corinthians 13:3). So faith alone without works of love is dead (James 2:17). The Kingdom of heaven can be found within ourselves (Luke 17:20).

Anglojew
05-28-2014, 09:48 PM
She doesn't seem to know much about Islam.

Yes, funny how we need to be convinced of this constantly?

Yehiel
05-28-2014, 09:51 PM
Islam in and of itself by its teachings is no more violent than other religions, but for some reason it has produced a lot of religious extremism.

very true, i think it produces more because of the enviroment that muslims tend to grow up in (not saying its bad, i actually admire how tribal and how preservative of their culture they are) are not as "civilized" as lets say Spain or something. Now it is happening to muslims outside the middle east because they see and i think for the most part deeply influenced how their middle eastern counter parts act

Yehiel
05-28-2014, 09:53 PM
That is not a Christian teaching but an ancient law of an ancient people that lived 3000 BC. You need to undertand that the Old Tdstament is not a prescriptive book like the Quran is, but it is descriptive in nature.

Those archaic Jewish laws in the Torah are not eternal commands valid for all times and places. Christians look back at the Old Testament through the vision of Jesus.

For Christians, Jesus’ interpretation of these laws is final. He takes away their sharp sting with his death on the cross and by his sinless life and divine love.

Torah law (to my understanding) only applies to Jews and people living inside Israel, gentiles really are only recquired to follow the seven Noachide commandments to be considered righteous