Are people with naturally olive/light brown skin but European facial traits "White" as such?

[Tooting Carmen]

This is asking the reverse question of another recently-opened thread. After all, many Cypriots, Maltese, Portuguese, Spaniards, Italians, Greeks and even some Brits, Irish, French, Germans and Poles have naturally olive/light brown skin even when untanned, but their facial traits are still largely if not entirely European.

Examples:

Portugal
http://img.vavel.com/custodio_reuters__644x362_176514497.jpg

Spain
http://cdn4.celebrityhairstylez.com/wp-content/gallery/raul-albiol/raul-albiol-short-hairstyles1.jpg

Italy
http://cdn4.celebrityhairstylez.com/wp-content/gallery/alberto-aquilani/alberto-aquilani-hairstyle.jpg

Greece
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee136/suwarnaadi/hair/georgios-samaras-hairstyle.jpg

Britain
http://www.brianyeates.co.uk/Userfiles/Image/Speakers/W---Gary-Linekar2.jpg

France
http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/PA-8015581.jpg

Germany
http://static.sportskeeda.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/mats-hummels-2171953.jpg

[portusaus]

The examples you've posted are white. "Whiteness" is determined by the lack of foreign admixture moreso than phenotype.

[Tooting Carmen]

The examples you've posted are white. "Whiteness" is determined by the lack of foreign admixture moreso than phenotype.

Being such a proud White supremacist, would you not admit that, disregarding their facial traits, a high percentage of Portuguese people are actually quite dark-skinned?

[zhaoyun]

"White" in itself is a social construct. So yes, these would be socially White in most any Western country. They would not be Northern European though obviously. If White is defined solely by Northern Euro heritage as it once was, then no, these would not be, but as the scope of Whiteness has expanded in the last century, these would now be considered "White".

[Insuperable]

White people are people of fully 'northern' (non-southern) European descent irregardless of minor deviations. Discussion is redundant.

[armenianbodyhair]

Zulu

[Tooting Carmen]

Any more votes and suggestions?

[Tooting Carmen]

"White" in itself is a social construct. So yes, these would be socially White in most any Western country. They would not be Northern European though obviously. If White is defined solely by Northern Euro heritage as it once was, then no, these would not be, but as the scope of Whiteness has expanded in the last century, these would now be considered "White".

But three of those examples are actually Northern Europeans without (known) foreign ancestry, yet they still have a dark skin tone.

[Alphawolf]

I voted for "No". In Germany they would consider them as "Kanaken". Kanake is a pejorative/racist word to refer to so called guest-workers from Italy, Turkey and Greece and their children in Germany.

[Tooting Carmen]

I voted for "No". In Germany they would consider them as "Kanaken". Kanake is a pejorative/racist word to refer to so called guest-workers from Italy, Turkey and Greece and their children in Germany.

Well OK, but even some Germans themselves can be swarthy (albeit a small minority, as with Brits), such as the footballer Mats Hummels, who I posted in the OP.

[Tooting Carmen]

Another related question - if a European can pass outside of Europe, then is he/she still "White"? For example: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?98751-Italian-MPs-who-can-pass-as-South-Asians

[Mortimer]

spain doesnt look white to me, but he is despite his phenotype if he is full spanish, portugal, italy and greece look wog white, germany and france look normal white just brown hair, i dont see wog about them.

[Tooting Carmen]

spain doesnt look white to me, but he is despite his phenotype if he is full spanish, portugal, italy and greece look wog white, germany and france look normal white just brown hair, i dont see wog about them.

In all the above cases, REGARDLESS of facial traits, their SKIN TONE is not white. These are truly white skin tones from the same OP countries:

Portugal
http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01369/119255005_1369562a.jpg

Spain
http://ep.imgci.com/PICTURES/CMS/45800/45844.2.jpg

Italy
http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/67/590x/alessandro-diamanti-442690.jpg

Greece
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2012/324x324/69888.jpg

Britain
http://topnews.in/sports/files/James-Milner_2.jpg

France
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2012/6/25/1340636098562/Olivier-Giroud-008.jpg

Germany
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-X3czaM0G8fk/UUH5Sw1xhhI/AAAAAAAAJHk/LEimoI5Cq_0/s320/Bastian+Schweinsteiger+_.jpg

[Mortimer]

In all the above cases, REGARDLESS of facial traits, their SKIN TONE is not white. These are truly white skin tones from the same OP countries:

Portugal
http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01369/119255005_1369562a.jpg

Spain
http://ep.imgci.com/PICTURES/CMS/45800/45844.2.jpg

Italy
http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/67/590x/alessandro-diamanti-442690.jpg

Greece
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2012/324x324/69888.jpg

Britain
http://topnews.in/sports/files/James-Milner_2.jpg

France
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2012/6/25/1340636098562/Olivier-Giroud-008.jpg

Germany
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-X3czaM0G8fk/UUH5Sw1xhhI/AAAAAAAAJHk/LEimoI5Cq_0/s320/Bastian+Schweinsteiger+_.jpg

their skin tone is white too, just not the milky pale white, there are different skin types, the first III (celtic, nordic, dark european) are white. spain has similar skin tone but he looks overall non-white. white is not only skin shade eventhough it is very important because brown people (naturally brown) are not white, but if someone has light skin he still can be non-white (for example chinese). i said how they look to me from overall appearance (skin+features)

[Tooting Carmen]

their skin tone is white too, just not the milky pale white, there are different skin types, the first III (celtic, nordic, dark european) are white. spain has similar skin tone but he looks overall non-white. white is not only skin shade eventhough it is very important because brown people (naturally brown) are not white, but if someone has light skin he still can be non-white (for example chinese). i said how they look to me from overall appearance (skin+features)

In all honesty, the Southern European examples were not even the darkest types found in those countries; they are darker-than-average, but commonplace. Here are some more 'extreme' types:

Portugal
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2013/324x324/250017709.jpg

Spain
http://images.mid-day.com/images/2014/jun/9Xavi%20Hernandez-1.jpg

Italy
http://www.iljournal.it/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Fabio-Fognini.jpg

Greece
http://prasinanea.gr/football/article2362473.ece/ALTERNATES/w620/karelis.jpg

And even Northern Europeans can occasionally look like this:

Britain
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47600000/jpg/_47600948_cooke.jpg

France
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/1/2014/324x324/1908192.jpg

Germany
http://www.fanphobia.net/uploads/actors/30824/ulf-kirsten-in-match.jpg

[Sikeliot]

To my mind, yes.

[Kalimtari]

mais oui, according to me at least

[Tooting Carmen]

Another question: is there any country or region of Europe where people such as those I posted in the OP make up 50% or more of the native population?

[Han Cholo]

In all the above cases, REGARDLESS of facial traits, their SKIN TONE is not white. These are truly white skin tones from the same OP countries:

Portugal
http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01369/119255005_1369562a.jpg

Spain
http://ep.imgci.com/PICTURES/CMS/45800/45844.2.jpg

Italy
http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/67/590x/alessandro-diamanti-442690.jpg

Greece
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2012/324x324/69888.jpg

Britain
http://topnews.in/sports/files/James-Milner_2.jpg

France
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2012/6/25/1340636098562/Olivier-Giroud-008.jpg

Germany
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-X3czaM0G8fk/UUH5Sw1xhhI/AAAAAAAAJHk/LEimoI5Cq_0/s320/Bastian+Schweinsteiger+_.jpg

All of these are light brown skinned. Only 10% of "whites" have truly white skin color. Such as only 10% of "blacks" are truly tar skinned. 96% of the world population regardless of race is a shade of brown.

[blogen]

This is white:
http://i.imgur.com/ZogPAqv.jpg

Dark hair, brown eyes or not light skin is not white.

[Tooting Carmen]

This is white:
http://i.imgur.com/ZogPAqv.jpg

Dark hair, brown eyes or not light skin is not white.

Despite his blonde hair and blue eyes, he has a more sallow skin tone than those I described as having a truly white skin tone. So, what's your answer to my thread's question?

[Dombra]

No

I know that people will come after me and say "just cause your a depigmented ugric mongol!" :rolleyes:

[Cleitus]

No

I know that people will come after me and say "just cause your a depigmented ugric mongol!" :rolleyes:
My little Brother has Blond Hair and milky pale skin so he is white and im not :eek: http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m95bexgqTA1ryquz8o1_r1_400.gif

[blogen]

Despite his blonde hair and blue eyes, he has a more sallow skin tone than those I described as having a truly white skin tone. So, what's your answer to my thread's question?

No. The whiteness is overrated, the average Cacuasoid is not white, the majority of the Europeans are not white, etc. And? Who cares!

[DerekMorlock]

No. The whiteness is overrated, the average Cacuasoid is not white, the majority of the Europeans are not white, etc. And? Who cares!

and what is the contact between genetic markers and taxonomic forms?

[Tooting Carmen]

bump

[Kalimtari]

btw, all generalization put aside, this is how White skin really looks like:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/Geisha_Kyoto_Gion.jpg

people can't be white in skin color

[alnortedelsur]

This is asking the reverse question of another recently-opened thread. After all, many Cypriots, Maltese, Portuguese, Spaniards, Italians, Greeks and even some Brits, Irish, French, Germans and Poles have naturally olive/light brown skin even when untanned, but their facial traits are still largely if not entirely European.

Examples:

Portugal
http://img.vavel.com/custodio_reuters__644x362_176514497.jpg

Spain
http://cdn4.celebrityhairstylez.com/wp-content/gallery/raul-albiol/raul-albiol-short-hairstyles1.jpg

Italy
http://cdn4.celebrityhairstylez.com/wp-content/gallery/alberto-aquilani/alberto-aquilani-hairstyle.jpg

Greece
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee136/suwarnaadi/hair/georgios-samaras-hairstyle.jpg

Britain
http://www.brianyeates.co.uk/Userfiles/Image/Speakers/W---Gary-Linekar2.jpg

France
http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/PA-8015581.jpg

Germany
http://static.sportskeeda.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/mats-hummels-2171953.jpg

The French guy is NOT a good example of an olive skinned person. Then, I would be "swarthy" because I look very similar to him, except that my hair is more light-brown (while his hair is medium-brown) and my eyes are blue, but my skin tone (Maybe I am a bit lighter skinned than him, because I have some freckles, but I am not that sure) and my facial traits are, for the most part, very similar to him.

The British example is indeed a good example of an olive skinned person. He is even more swarthy than the Portuguese, The Spaniard, the Italian and the Greek. He is so swarthy that he not only doesn't look Brit, but he looks even more swarthy than the swarthiest Spaniards, Italians and Greeks. Are you sure that he is fully ethnic British??:icon_eyes:

[Tooting Carmen]

The French guy is NOT a good example of an olive skinned person. Then, I would be "swarthy" because I look very similar to him, except that my hair is more light-brown (while his hair is medium-brown) and my eyes are blue, but my skin tone and my facial traits are very similar to him.

Yoann Gourcuff? Some more photos of him:
http://static1.purepeople.com/articles/0/32/14/0/@/221612-yoann-gourcuff-bientot-dans-une-637x0-2.jpg http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/15600000/TOOOOOOOOOO-NICE-yoann-gourcuff-15668333-500-416.jpg http://img1.cfstatic.com/ligue-1/c-est-un-triomphe-pour-yoann-gourcuff-elu-avec-42-des-suffrages_16613_w460.jpg

To be sure, he isn't as dark as native Europeans can get, but even untanned he has a deeply sallow complexion that is darker than average for France.

[Tooting Carmen]

The British example is indeed a good example of an olive skinned person.

Well yes.


He is even more swarthy than the Portuguese, The Spaniard, the Italian and the Greek. He is so swarthy that he not only doesn't look Brit, but he looks even more swarthy than the swarthiest Spaniards, Italians and Greeks. Are you sure that he is fully ethnic British??:icon_eyes:

Stop trolling. I posted some more 'extreme' examples later on in the thread, such as Andre Gomes, Xavi Hernandez and Fabio Fognini - all of whom are rather swarthier than Gary Lineker.

[alnortedelsur]

Yoann Gourcuff? Some more photos of him:
http://static1.purepeople.com/articles/0/32/14/0/@/221612-yoann-gourcuff-bientot-dans-une-637x0-2.jpg http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/15600000/TOOOOOOOOOO-NICE-yoann-gourcuff-15668333-500-416.jpg http://img1.cfstatic.com/ligue-1/c-est-un-triomphe-pour-yoann-gourcuff-elu-avec-42-des-suffrages_16613_w460.jpg

To be sure, he isn't as dark as native Europeans can get, but even untanned he has a deeply sallow complexion that is darker than average for France.

Well, then I see that I am actually more fair skinned than him, because I have some freckles. But I don't see him as particularly dark.

[Tooting Carmen]

But I don't see him as particularly dark.

Well, given the ethnic make-up of the French football team, he certainly wouldn't look dark in relative terms. However, put him among some Danes and/or Swedes and you would notice the difference.

[alnortedelsur]

Well yes.



Stop trolling. I posted some more 'extreme' examples later on in the thread, such as Andre Gomes, Xavi Hernandez and Fabio Fognini - all of whom are rather swarthier than Gary Lineker.

No, don't misunderstand me. I haven't seen the rest of the thread, and trolling is not part of my style, and you know it very well.

I know very well that British are noticeable lighter, on average, than Spaniards, Portuguese, Italians, Balkan people, and Greeks, and to some extent, than French, and that is NOT on discussion. That's why I was surprised that he is an ethnic British. That's all what I meant.

[Tooting Carmen]

No, don't misunderstand me. I haven't seen the rest of the thread, and trolling is not part of my style, and you know it very well.

I know that British are noticeable lighter, on average, than Spaniards, Portuguese, Italians, Balkan people and Greeks, and to some extent, than French, and that is NOT on discussion. That's why I was surprised that he is an ethnic British. That's all what I meant.

He's among the most exotic 2-3% of the native British population. Incidentally, he comes from Leicester, which is the same city where I grew up. Here is what the people there generally look like: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?121276-Ethnic-groups-from-Leicester-Central-England

[Cristiano viejo]

If White is defined solely by Northern Euro heritage as it once was, then no, these would not be, but as the scope of Whiteness has expanded in the last century, these would now be considered "White".
What bullshit is this? in the XV century Spaniards considered themselves as whites in their Casta system and their Estatutos de Limpieza de Sangre ie the term "White" existed already centuries ago at least here in Spain.


I voted for "No". In Germany they would consider them as "Kanaken". Kanake is a pejorative/racist word to refer to so called guest-workers from Italy, Turkey and Greece and their children in Germany.

Ah well, if in Germany they would not consider as whites these people... :rolleyes:

This thread is a new nonsense thread made by La vita e ossesione per la Spagna with his ridicolous examples... olive skin these examples? :picard1:

[Tooting Carmen]

This thread is a new nonsense thread made by La vita e ossesione per la Spagna with his ridicolous examples... olive skin these examples? :picard1:

Like I said, the thread was principally made in response to another thread where the question was the obverse, i.e. fair skin but non-European facial traits. And if those examples I posted aren't olive, then what is lol?

[Lemonhead]

Yes, Facial features are more important than skin color.

[Comte Arnau]

Americans are white.

Europeans are European.

[Crn Volk]

Yes, Med Euros are white

[PolishAmerican190]

Yes I feel generous today I am passing out whiteness for everyone!

[blogen]

Yes, Med Euros are white

If the Euromeds are white, then the Near and Middle Eastern and North African meds are white too. Finally every brown is white! :D

[Crn Volk]

If the Euromeds are white, then the Near and Middle Eastern and North African meds are white too. Finally every brown is white! :D

Euro meds are off-white and MENA are brown.

[alnortedelsur]

If the Euromeds are white, then the Near and Middle Eastern and North African meds are white too. Finally every brown is white! :D

Your stupid comparison is out of place. Southern Europeans are NOT brown, and there are LIGHT YEARS of difference between the average pigmentation of North Africans and Middle Easterners and the average pigmentation of Southern Europeans.

And Iberians are WAY closer to most other Europeans (Even including Russians and Danese), in genetics and phenotype ,than to North Africans and Middle Easterners. LOL

[alnortedelsur]

Euro meds are off-white and MENA are brown.

LOL Macedonians are Euromeds too. You are "Slavic" only in your wet dreams.

And Macedonians are NO WAY lighter than Iberians, southern French, and Northern and Central Italians. NOPE:eusa_naughty:

[Crn Volk]

LOL Macedonians are Euromeds too. You are "Slavic" only in your wet dreams.

And Macedonians are NO WAY lighter than Iberians, southern French, and Northern and Central Italians. NOPE:eusa_naughty:

We are Slavized ancient Macedonians, so yes, I agree.

[Siberian Cold Breeze]

I don't understand why do you call light brown skins "olive" .Do anyone know ?

http://i.imgur.com/gAIkGTF.jpg

[templumForasticus]

Is this a ''white''?

http://www.forwards.in/data/images/1012/1350280233_Funny-Tan-Fails-05.jpg

[Dzihadovic]

I don't understand why do you call light brown skins "olive" .Do anyone know ?

http://i.imgur.com/gAIkGTF.jpg

Well most white people aren't exactly pale white either. And maybe it's because olive skinned people are usually found in areas that grow a lot of olives...

[Cleitus]

I don't understand why do you call light brown skins "olive" .Do anyone know ?

http://i.imgur.com/gAIkGTF.jpg

http://res.mindbodygreen.com/img/ftr/OliveOil.jpg

[Siberian Cold Breeze]

I see now.
Here we have two definitions for skin colors (except white) ,Esmer for brownish (brunette) and wheat color for light skin yellowish undertones .
Olive must be brunette in that sense.

[Dandelion]

To me Spaniards are non-Whites and French are high-stepping yellow.

[Cristiano viejo]

To me Spaniards are non-Whites and French are high-stepping yellow.
You should start to overcome the Sack of Antwerp :icon_lol:

[Dandelion]

You should start to overcome the Sack of Antwerp :icon_lol:

The girl in your avatar, is she Spanish by the way? She should be browner. ;)

[de Burgh II]

If their facial structure is very European looking which plays a huge role in determining if their phenotype is of european ancestry or not. Nevertheless, they are "white" in that regard because not everyone is blond haired and blue eyed in Europe overall. You have Northern Europe, Western Europe, Eastern Europe, Southern Europe. etc. So there are going to be slight phenotypical differences, but still European looking overall.

[arcticwolf]

This is white:
http://i.imgur.com/ZogPAqv.jpg

Dark hair, brown eyes or not light skin is not white.

Blogen you have unwavering standards!

Others, are chameleons compared to you, they change their opinion depending on which way the wind blows.

Respect bro! :thumb001:

[Cristiano viejo]

The girl in your avatar, is she Spanish by the way? She should be browner. ;)
Browner as these Northerners, you want to say?


Blogen you have unwavering standards!

Others, are chameleons compared to you, they change their opinion depending on which way the wind blows.

Respect bro! :thumb001:
I tried explain to Bloger the confussion about his thinking.
According him, Emilio Estévez is White but his brother Chaarlie Sheen is not :blink:

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTXKfXWMI6f7PCGbeES49-Q5dtgMwAJBx6oO6p67bZB9sN-Z1DMtw

[Trun]

All of the examples in the OP are clearly "white" and only the Portuguese and the Spanish are what I would call "olive-skinned" - though most probably they are tanned.

[Furnace]

Is this a ''white''?

http://www.forwards.in/data/images/1012/1350280233_Funny-Tan-Fails-05.jpg

That is called skin cancer.

[Queen B]

This is white:
Dark hair, brown eyes or not light skin is not white.
This is Aryan.

[Lusos]

All of the examples in the OP are clearly "white" and only the Portuguese and the Spanish are what I would call "olive-skinned" - though most probably they are tanned.

The Portuguese ex. given by the OP
http://img.vavel.com/custodio_reuters__644x362_176514497.jpg

With less prominent tan

http://www.abola.pt/img/fotos/guimaraes/custodio2.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSxL0ikPWcHuC-GEtuk6dwusa11z-zIRLaLkhrDTmxtbwEYtCsugA

"...Acording to official papers, Portugal has 220+ sunny days a year. "

[Vasconcelos]

"...Acording to official papers, Portugal has 220+ sunny days a year. "

It's not just that, currently we may only have 29ºC, but the UV index is 10 (and 11 not far from the coast, that's already considered an 'extreme level').
The sun is much 'stronger' in here than in other areas of Europe, good thing most of us have the ability to tan, otherwise we'd be pretty fucked.

[Cristiano viejo]

good thing most of us have the ability to tan, otherwise we'd be pretty fucked.
Centuries and centuries of climate adaptation.

[Furnace]

Centuries and centuries of Moor integration.

Fixed.

[Queen B]

"...Acording to official papers, Portugal has 220+ sunny days a year. "
Most people here don't realize how it is to live in sunny places.

At the moment we speak, we have 36'C
http://web2.airmail.net/danb1/european.htm
http://ezinearticles.com/?Rhodes-Island---The-Sunniest-Place-in-Europe&id=960266
http://www.touristmaker.com/other/what-is-the-sunniest-european-capital.html
http://science.blurtit.com/244396/what-is-the-hottest-country-in-europe-during-the-month-of-december
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Europe

[Vasconcelos]

Fixed.

:picard1:

[Trun]

Wogs explaining why they are swarthy...WOG PAWA!!

[wvwvw]

LOL Macedonians are Euromeds too. You are "Slavic" only in your wet dreams.

And Macedonians are NO WAY lighter than Iberians, southern French, and Northern and Central Italians. NOPE:eusa_naughty:

Although they have many med types, they also have many more baltic types which is associated with Slavs

Bimo posted this in another thread:


A peculiar Slavic-Mediterranean gene admixture is in the core of the Bulgarian nation, a new Bulgarian-Italian genetic study has revealed.

Gene probes of 855 Bulgarians, including individuals from the country's Islam population, have been gathered and compared with other European nations, Professor Draga Toncheva from the Sofia-based Medical University has explained in an interview for the Bulgarian National Radio.

The results have failed to show any Turkic connection in the Bulgarians nation's genesis, contrary to popular beliefs.

Croatians, Poles, Ukrainians and other Slavic nations are closest to Bulgarians, according to the study. However, Bulgarians are a peculiar type of Slavs, since they also have Mediterranean genes, head of the Bulgarian Academy of Sciences' Microbiology Institute Angel Galabov has pointed out.

The Bulgarians' "peculiarity" has probably been the result of their contacts with ancient Thracians, scientists reckon.

The place of origin of the Ancient Bulgarians is most likely Eastern Iran, a group of anthropologists and scientists claimed in 2010 after an exploratory trip to the Persian lands.

Long-established theories about the making up of the Bulgarian ethnicity state that the Bulgarian nation was formed through the mixing of the Bulgarians with the local population made up of Slavs and some Thracians. Before 1989 the Bulgarians were believed to have been a minor tribe of Turkic origin.
- See more at: http://www.novinite.com/articles/131....bX3szpFA.dpuf

[Trun]

The part you bolded has been assumed by the presence of I2 and R1a subclades in Bulgarians. Not very correctly enterpretated by our "scientists".

Baltid types are rare in Bulgaria and generally everywhere on the Balkans.

[Maximum Speed]

My little Brother has Blond Hair and milky pale skin so he is white and im not :eek: http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m95bexgqTA1ryquz8o1_r1_400.gif

On a forum populated mostly by mentally ill, everything is possible

[Mens-Sarda]

Most people here don't realize how it is to live in sunny places.

At the moment we speak, we have 36'C
http://web2.airmail.net/danb1/european.htm
http://ezinearticles.com/?Rhodes-Island---The-Sunniest-Place-in-Europe&id=960266
http://www.touristmaker.com/other/what-is-the-sunniest-european-capital.html
http://science.blurtit.com/244396/what-is-the-hottest-country-in-europe-during-the-month-of-december
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Europe


Also here in Sardinia when the wind stops we reach similar temperatures, in the hottest period, between the end of July and of August the temperatures can often pass 40°, some years ago in August the temperature reached 47°, it was really terrible! I just wanted to hide in some cave hundreds meters underground :leaving:

luckily this month has been quite fresh, with strong northwest wind, today we have 17° and it's raining

http://www.centrometeoitaliano.it/temperature/sardegna/

[Xanthias]

This thread shows again how far people can get "concerned" about that "white" complex they have.

[caviezel]

yes, at least in america they are commonly regarded as white because they look pale in contrast to hispanics and blacks.
my father is olive skinned on his face, neck and forearms, the rest of his body is quite pale.

[templumForasticus]

That is called skin cancer.


http://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=4169&dateline=1402423523

"Judah is the ruling... bla bla bla"

[Furnace]

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=4169&dateline=1402423523

"Judah is the ruling... bla bla bla"

Offtopic, my beliefs are not of your concern.

You are just mad that your identity is stolen from the real hebrews, namely the Basque and Catalans.

[templumForasticus]

You are just mad that your identity is stolen from the real hebrews, namely the Basque and Catalans.


http://www.searchviews.com/wp-content/themes/clean-copy-full-3-column-1/images/sad_clown.jpg

[Roy]

Zulu

Zulu what? :rolleyes:

[Furnace]

http://www.searchviews.com/wp-content/themes/clean-copy-full-3-column-1/images/sad_clown.jpg

The imposter is butthurt that I exposed his Moor identity.

[MINARDOWICZ]

White people are people of fully 'northern' (non-southern) European descent irregardless of minor deviations. Discussion is redundant.

So then Croats are not white? Slovenes? IDK man.

[Peter Nirsch]

This is asking the reverse question of another recently-opened thread. After all, many Cypriots, Maltese, Portuguese, Spaniards, Italians, Greeks and even some Brits, Irish, French, Germans and Poles have naturally olive/light brown skin even when untanned, but their facial traits are still largely if not entirely European.

Examples:


Germany
http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/PA-8015581.jpg

Only this one has white facial traits.

He's just tanned.

[Insuperable]

So then Croats are not white? Slovenes? IDK man.

No.

[Balmung]

I vote since we have so many issues with whiteness. We make it so that white applies solely to Northwesterns and the rest of Europe become Beige or something. That will settle everything.

[Cristiano viejo]

Wogs explaining why they are swarthy...WOG PAWA!!
Some wogs have an explanation. For other wogs it´s imposible explain their Gypsy appearance.

[Mens-Sarda]

http://quotespics.com/wp-content/quote-images/-no-bigotry-here.jpg

[Balmung]

To be sure, he isn't as dark as native Europeans can get, but even untanned he has a deeply sallow complexion that is darker than average for France.

Is this?

http://fast.swide.com/wp-content/uploads/Male-models-backstage-photos-dolce-gabbana-ss-2014-men-fashion-show-flowers-shirt.jpg

[Mens-Sarda]

he looks like Gypsy, Indian or Pakistan, never seen a person like that here

[Tooting Carmen]

Is this?

http://fast.swide.com/wp-content/uploads/Male-models-backstage-photos-dolce-gabbana-ss-2014-men-fashion-show-flowers-shirt.jpg

Perhaps

[Insuperable]

How can we know this people have naturally olive-light-brown skin?

[Trun]

Some wogs have an explanation. For other wogs it´s imposible explain their Gypsy appearance.

Sun can't explain your nappy hair and Negroid lips, Moor.

[Cristiano viejo]

Sun can't explain your nappy hair and Negroid lips, Moor.

You only can say bullshit due to your lack of arguments, Gypsy.
The only true thing here is that YOU, and other Bulgarians more, have been classified as WOGS, SWARTHIES AND SUPER-EXOTICS in this forum, unlike we Spaniards :icon_lol:

Now, you can continue with your Gypsy films about Moors and :blah::blah::blah:

[Queen B]

Sun can't explain your nappy hair and Negroid lips, Moor.
I have large lips. I guess I'm must part-moor? :laugh:

[Hochmeister]

ethnic Austrian, singer Antonia aus Tirol

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/Antonia-aus-Tirol---(Sandra-Stumptner)---3---(Gentry).jpg

[Trun]

You only can say bullshit due to your lack of arguments, Gypsy.
The only true thing here is that YOU, and other Bulgarians more, have been classified as WOGS, SWARTHIES AND SUPER-EXOTICS in this forum, unlike we Spaniards :icon_lol:

Now, you can continue with your Gypsy films about Moors and :blah::blah::blah:

I can sense the African accent even in your written speech. How does it feel to live in a transcontinental country?


I have large lips. I guess I'm must part-moor? :laugh:

I also have large lips, but Moorish lips need a whole tube of lipstick. Ask Arabo Viejo.

[Cristiano viejo]

I can sense the African accent even in your written speech.
As I said: lack of arguments=Gypsy tactic, saying things with no logic etc


How does it feel to live in a transcontinental country?

hahaha and this is said by someone from a country which is bordering with Turkey, and it has belonged to the Turks five of the last six centuries. Someone who his grandparents obeyed to a Pasha :laugh:
A Third world country, a country which together Kosovo and Albania are the poorest in Europe, unworthy to be considered European, full of Gypsies and even with a Turkic-Bulgarian ethnicity.
Funny. Funny. Funny :bunny:


I also have large lips, but Moorish lips need a whole tube of lipstick. Ask Arabo Viejo.
You have large lips inherited from your Turk ancestors.
I insist, Bulgarian Apricitiers are a bunch of swarthy wogs (Sven, Archduke, yourself): Real life.
Your stories about Spaniards: just that, typical absurd stories baseless. Very common in butthurt and insecure people.
Deal it, gitanuzo.

[alnortedelsur]

I can sense the African accent even in your written speech. How does it feel to live in a transcontinental country?



I also have large lips, but Moorish lips need a whole tube of lipstick. Ask Arabo Viejo.

You have never in your life have seen real Spaniards, and all you do is to resort to ridiculous Hollywood stereotypes to describe them.

You, poor ignorant Euro-Turkish and Slavic-wannabe little creature.:icon_rolleyes:

[Peter Nirsch]

ABSOLUTELY NOT, Whites have pink skin, olives are darker than pink.

[Hayasa]

The examples you've posted are white. "Whiteness" is determined by the lack of foreign admixture moreso than phenotype.

You must mean "European"-ness then, not "White"-ness.

[portusaus]

You must mean "European"-ness then, not "White"-ness.

Whiteness = Europeanness

[special]

This is asking the reverse question of another recently-opened thread. After all, many Cypriots, Maltese, Portuguese, Spaniards, Italians, Greeks and even some Brits, Irish, French, Germans and Poles have naturally olive/light brown skin even when untanned, but their facial traits are still largely if not entirely European.

Examples:

Portugal
http://img.vavel.com/custodio_reuters__644x362_176514497.jpg

Spain
http://cdn4.celebrityhairstylez.com/wp-content/gallery/raul-albiol/raul-albiol-short-hairstyles1.jpg

Italy
http://cdn4.celebrityhairstylez.com/wp-content/gallery/alberto-aquilani/alberto-aquilani-hairstyle.jpg

Greece
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee136/suwarnaadi/hair/georgios-samaras-hairstyle.jpg

Britain
http://www.brianyeates.co.uk/Userfiles/Image/Speakers/W---Gary-Linekar2.jpg

France
http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/PA-8015581.jpg

Germany
http://static.sportskeeda.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/mats-hummels-2171953.jpg

of these guys the only olive skinned is maybe the first one

[Leto]

This thread is for trolls.
To me they are white if they are ethnic Europeans.

[FeederOfRavens]

They are white and European. Many South Euros(Esp Spaniards) try to disassociate from these traits because they think it diminishes their perceived "whiteness".

[SupaThug]

Yes,they are white!White people are people who have their ethno-cultural roots in Europe,it doesn't matter if they are olive skinned!I am pale skinned and I am not white,since I have non-european admixture,people from the photos may have darker features,but they are whiter than me!

[andyeatspoo]

Gary liniker is not that colour naturally.

He's a self confesed tan freak. He was on TV pale as he'll prior to his new addiction.

[Shepherd]

I don't see how this guy is exotic for Southern Europe
http://cdn4.celebrityhairstylez.com/wp-content/gallery/alberto-aquilani/alberto-aquilani-hairstyle.jpg

[Cristiano viejo]

They are white and European. Many South Euros(Esp Spaniards) try to disassociate from these traits because they think it diminishes their perceived "whiteness".
It is absolutely the opposite. Many North Euros try to associate from these traits because they think they are the only Europeans.


Gary liniker is not that colour naturally.

He's a self confesed tan freak. He was on TV pale as he'll prior to his new addiction.
Gary Lineka in his young years

http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/gallery/gary-lineker-young/pa-photos_t_10-brilliant-photos-young-gary-lineker-gallery-0112g.jpg

[JoeyGee8688]

Olive =\= white; white=\= race. White is a color not a genetic state.

[FeederOfRavens]

It is absolutely the opposite. Many North Euros try to associate from these traits because they think they are the only Europeans.

You know that's not true.

[andyeatspoo]

It is absolutely the opposite. Many North Euros try to associate from these traits because they think they are the only Europeans.


Gary Lineka in his young years

http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/gallery/gary-lineker-young/pa-photos_t_10-brilliant-photos-young-gary-lineker-gallery-0112g.jpg

Here he is different lighting.
http://s29.postimg.org/t5hdodk9v/young_gary_lineker_leicester_city_football_19377.j pg (http://postimg.org/image/t5hdodk9v/)

He's just always on holiday.

[Cristiano viejo]

You know that's not true.

I know it is very true, I just have to look the amount of anti-Iberian threads opened by your fellows, and bumped by yourself.

[finþaų]

I know it is very true, I just have to look the amount of anti-Iberian threads opened by your fellows, and bumped by yourself.

Those guys are generally not anti-Iberian, they are anti-you and know what to say to make you chimp out.

[Leto]

I view these Iberians as white
http://5.firepic.org/5/images/2014-12/20/p7h97qk1gtb9.jpg (http://firepic.org/)
http://5.firepic.org/5/images/2014-12/20/o2rk7im02t8c.jpg (http://firepic.org/)
Whites shouldn't be necessarily like these Anglo-Americans
http://5.firepic.org/5/images/2014-12/20/nxzlehrdil9l.jpg (http://firepic.org/)

[Tooting Carmen]

I view these Iberians as white
http://5.firepic.org/5/images/2014-12/20/p7h97qk1gtb9.jpg (http://firepic.org/)
http://5.firepic.org/5/images/2014-12/20/o2rk7im02t8c.jpg (http://firepic.org/)
Whites shouldn't be necessarily like these Anglo-Americans
http://5.firepic.org/5/images/2014-12/20/nxzlehrdil9l.jpg (http://firepic.org/)

Those Anglo-Americans you just posted don't even look average for Brits or British descendants - more like Scandinavians or Dutch. Also, those Spaniards are ordinary Euro-Med types, but there are a considerable minority more 'exotic' and 'borderline' than them.

[Cristiano viejo]

Those guys are generally not anti-Iberian, they are anti-you and know what to say to make you chimp out.
Sure, before my arrival to Apricity these threads did not exist :laugh:
Go with your shit elsewhere.


Also, those Spaniards are ordinary Euro-Med types, but there are a considerable minority more 'exotic' and 'borderline' than them.
Ordinary Euro-Meds? More exotic than that girl? per favore...

[Tooting Carmen]

Ordinary Euro-Meds? More exotic than that girl? per favore...

The Inma Cuesta lookalike is pretty exotic, but the others not really. I was referring in the previous post to the likes of Almudena Grandes, Alex Cruz, Pedro Almodovar, Jose Martinez-Olmos, Javier Gil Valle...

[Leto]

Also, those Spaniards are ordinary Euro-Med types, but there are a considerable minority more 'exotic' and 'borderline' than them.
Well, I had no intention to post "exotic" people. I just posted the pictures I had. Those are dark-haired and brown-eyed, but their skintone is still in the European range. Plus the man in the first picture has a beard, even some Northern Europeans look like ISIS-types with lage beards. I've seen European volunteers in the ME on TV, they fit there pretty well.

[Tooting Carmen]

Well, I had no intention to post "exotic" people. I just posted the pictures I had. Those are dark-haired and brown-eyed, but their skintone is still in the European range. Plus the man in the first picture has a beard, even some Northern Europeans look like ISIS-types with lage beards. I've seen European volunteers in the ME on TV, they fit there pretty well.

Well yes, except for the first girl who is quite exotic, those are very much like the majority of Spaniards I have seen and met, but my point is that a minority can get darker and more ambiguous-looking than that.

[Cristiano viejo]

Well, I had no intention to post "exotic" people. I just posted the pictures I had. Those are dark-haired and brown-eyed, but their skintone is still in the European range. Plus the man in the first picture has a beard, even some Northern Europeans look like ISIS-types with lage beards. I've seen European volunteers in the ME on TV, they fit there pretty well.

David Janer with no beard

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcToEFx1xYsC45HbWYUZp8JEqXIxk7WVY qE2eYupAKBf0zBvER97rg

[Leto]

David Janer with no beard

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcToEFx1xYsC45HbWYUZp8JEqXIxk7WVY qE2eYupAKBf0zBvER97rg
He isn't exotic at all. A handsome man (no homo):)
http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/David+Janer+Fotogramas+Awards+2011+FR0_ewKQTT7l.jp g

[Cristiano viejo]

He isn't exotic at all.
Only in Apricity, you know.


A handsome man (no homo):)
http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/David+Janer+Fotogramas+Awards+2011+FR0_ewKQTT7l.jp g
Yeap, he plays that latin lover role in the Spanish media :rolleyes:

[Norb]

is she white? :picard2:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=64312&d=1488874131

[TEUTORIGOS]

But three of those examples are actually Northern Europeans without (known) foreign ancestry, yet they still have a dark skin tone.

I dunno, I am British isles like Ulster Ireland and Scotland. I think I have tan in my avatar but without a tan I am way lighter than the average Greek or Portuguese etc...

[TEUTORIGOS]

is she white? :picard2:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=64312&d=1488874131

Is she Swedish,?Uh, yeah, Scandinavians can get a lot darker tan than I ever could being Ulster Irish/Scots or whatever. Here is dark Welshman or whatever :

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3061515.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Tom-Jones.jpg

[TEUTORIGOS]

"White" in itself is a social construct. So yes, these would be socially White in most any Western country. They would not be Northern European though obviously. If White is defined solely by Northern Euro heritage as it once was, then no, these would not be, but as the scope of Whiteness has expanded in the last century, these would now be considered "White".

If white is not synonymous with NorthWest European, anymore, it seems like a pretty meaningless concept to me. How can mushing everyone together from Russia to Portugal be politically useful ? White nationalism seems pretty unsophisticated to me.

[TEUTORIGOS]

https://jaymans.wordpress.com/jaymans-race-inheritance-and-iq-f-a-q-f-r-b/

https://jaymans.wordpress.com/2015/09/21/clannishness-the-series-zigzag-lightning-in-the-brain/


His blog is about genetics. Mostly genetic differences in groups. He is arguing essentially behavioral traits and aptitude are mostly heritable (which is the state of the art according to Harvard Professor Steven Pinker) and that differences in behavior, aptitude, and life outcomes between groups are largely due to genetic differences between groups.

To spell it out. He is saying that Whites and Asians are naturally smarter and more civilized than Africans and Arabs.

And in a post on Portugal he says not all whites are equally intelligent. And that Northwestern Europeans are not only smarter than other Europeans but have other traits (like a propensity for abstraction and a trusting social code) that make them the absolute best at creating societies (post called National Prosperity, go to his About Page to find these).

A lot of this stuff about NW Euros is on the second link. Going over how amazing they are.

[Norb]

Is she Swedish,?Uh, yeah, Scandinavians can get a lot darker tan than I ever could being Ulster Irish/Scots or whatever. Here is dark Welshman or whatever :

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3061515.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Tom-Jones.jpg

according to some people and posts on this forum she cant be considered white

[Luca]

https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.ebaumsworld.com%2Fpicture%2Fda naleeo%2Falbino9.jpg&f=1https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.ebaumsworld.com%2Fpicture%2Fda naleeo%2Falbino7.jpg&f=1https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.ebaumsworld.com%2Fpicture%2Fda naleeo%2Falbino10.jpg&f=1https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.ebaumsworld.com%2Fpicture%2Fda naleeo%2Falbino8.jpg&f=1

are these people white then?

[Cool Story Bro]

I already talked about this. Skin color doesn't matter much. Most important part is facial features. If you have European facial features i would consider you European no matter how tanned you get.

[Cool Story Bro]

is she white? :picard2:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=64312&d=1488874131
I know some people who get extremely tanned during the summer and still look full euro because they couldn't pass anywhere else. Same case with her.


https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.ebaumsworld.com%2Fpicture%2Fda naleeo%2Falbino9.jpg&f=1

are these people white then?

Clearly mixed with African. This just proves how skin color is far less important than facial features. I guess then half of Koreans, Japanese are white too?

[Congolese Rice]

Skin color doesnt say anything. You can be as dark as a Somali but if you have 100% Nordic features then your still european looking, and if your ethnicity is also 80%+ european at that i will consider you 100% white xd


take me for example, i have dark olive skin tone with golden undertones naturally, when im tanned i become medium brown. My features are a mixture of MENA, European, and minor SSA. So i am not considered white.

[Papastratosels26]

Skin cilor doesnt count.Only morfological features matter.

[Tooting Carmen]

Skin cilor doesnt count.Only morfological features matter.

That is nonsense. For example, Dev Patel has quite fine and Caucasoid features, but he is far too dark-skinned to be mistaken for a European.

[Congolese Rice]

That is nonsense. For example, Dev Patel has quite fine and Caucasoid features, but he is far too dark-skinned to be mistaken for a European.

skin color has nothing 2 do with taxonomy once again, it can indicate a certain ethnicity.

and also, theres a difference between european caucasoid, arab caucasoid, and indian caucasoid. Nobody will ever mistake Dev Patel for european because he is a gujarati indian. If you are 100% european and have dark skin but still very european features you are still european and will probably not be mistaken for another race.

Its really all about features. Ppl say that Arabs are brown but what unites Arabs? not their skin color, but their features.

[Creoda]

Only if they're genetically European.

[Odin]

Only if they are Northern European.

[alnortedelsur]

Only if they are Northern European.

Typical retarded Anglo-centrist.

[MysteriousWays]

I would consider them white, yes.

[Bogdan]

They are white by the definition of that term, just not light.

[Odin]

Typical retarded Anglo-centrist.

https://i.imgur.com/3YECnwx.jpg

[Meerkat]

They're all white in the USA.

[brennus dux gallorum]

well, I rarely see snow-white skinned people, both from here or abroad

[Swarthy_Syndicate]

Your stupid comparison is out of place. Southern Europeans are NOT brown, and there are LIGHT YEARS of difference between the average pigmentation of North Africans and Middle Easterners and the average pigmentation of Southern Europeans.

And Iberians are WAY closer to most other Europeans (Even including Russians and Danese), in genetics and phenotype ,than to North Africans and Middle Easterners. LOL

True, but it doesn't take much tanning for a far Southern Euro to reach MENA level skin tone. You do realize Sicilians and Greeks are technically closer to MENA in overall darkness compared to Nordics.

[Eleonor]

Oh no Tooting, not Gourcuff my teenage crush! don't tell me he is not white :p The first dude maybe has different skin, greenish? Other ones have normal tanned skins in my book. Darker skins like that with red undertones look gorgeous.

[Tooting Carmen]

Thread closed.