Your prefered weapon in man to man combat...

[MarcvSS]

What is your prefered weapon when engaging man to man combat?

Maybe for some its a gun, knife or say a baseball bat...

For me its my fists, but I never leave home unpacked...

when fists aren't sufficient I trust on my boots firstly;
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh169/Torvald34/10827-gk.jpg

But I always carry one of these in case someone pulls out a weapon of his own;
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh169/Torvald34/asp_52212.jpg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh169/Torvald34/BrassKnucklesP.jpg

And when I should have nothing on me, this is prefered;
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh169/Torvald34/4x5enlarged.jpg

[Arrow Cross]

Steel-toed shoes(not boots), preferably, because they're fully legal and fully invisible. I also have an asp, and had a Soviet AK-47 bayonett, but these are illegal to carry on the street here.

Not that I get into many conflicts when I'd need them, but one ought to be prepared for any kind of situations in life. I also had training in sparring and certain martial arts.

[Ulf]

Steel toes as well. I keep a folding knife on me and a kubotan.

http://customexports.com/WebPic/Kubotan-22.JPG

I had a retracting baton but I bent it on some hispanic guys van. He picked a fight with a friend of mine. Even after I choked the hell out of him he just didn't learn. :loco:

[Psychonaut]

You can never go wrong with a Ka-Bar

http://www.northamericanknives.com/files/1788248/uploaded/KB1219.jpg

[MarcvSS]

You can never go wrong with a Ka-Bar

http://www.northamericanknives.com/files/1788248/uploaded/KB1219.jpgIn my country good for 1 year jailtime just by having it on your person...

When used in combat be ready to be locked away for 4 years.

[Ulf]

Not a Ka-Bar but I kept this in my car. Camillus made Ka-Bar w/o serrations.

http://www.knifestuff.com/camillus/combat/cm5684l.jpg

[Psychonaut]

In my country good for 1 year jailtime just by having it on your person...

When used in combat be ready to be locked away for 4 years.

Even though Hawaii has pretty strict weapon laws, Ka-Bars, and all other single edged knives, are legal. I've never had to use mine, but with all the hobos lurking around everywhere, I always carry a good fixed blade knife.

[Arrow Cross]

In my country good for 1 year jailtime just by having it on your person...

When used in combat be ready to be locked away for 4 years.
Exactly, Europe has ridiculously strict gun- and weapon-laws in general, in addition to the ban on the death penalty. The maximum legal length of a bladed object you can carry with yourself here is 7 centimeters, but anything that the police marks as "potentially able to cause serious injury" can be taken away.

Damn, isn't it possible to kill with a pencil or a

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[Vargtand]

For combat?

AK-5 or this:
http://home.swipnet.se/robertson/bilder/ksp58.jpg

As those are the only weapons I have enough training in... well bastard swords as well but still..


For a fight I rather use my hands.

[Birka]

Not a Ka-Bar but I kept this in my car. Camillus made Ka-Bar w/o serrations.

http://www.knifestuff.com/camillus/combat/cm5684l.jpg

I have the very same knife in my car, but made by Ontario Knifes. I guess during the war, the US contracted out to several companies to make the Ka-Bar.

[TheGreatest]

I've never thought of this. I reckon if SHTF (unfortunately I don't own a gun...), I reckon the Grandfathered Bayonet tied to a pole (duct tape FTW) will quickly take care of the Heebs and Muslims in the neighborhood.


I sometimes carry a survival knife on me (not cause I like weapons. Just because the hilt was made/bought by a Great Great Grandfather and out of Reindeer horn. And it has saved me a couple of times when I needed to cut rope)

[Sol Invictus]

Fists first.. but if you're surrounded and/or they have weapons..


Glock 17..

Compact, concealable, extremely durable, very reliable, will never rust, always fires under any circumstance and oh so sexy.. Only thing sexier than a glock 17 is a woman with a glock 17 imo..

I like pepper spray too..

Good on chicken wings..

Someone comes into the house... Out comes the Remington 870

Comprende?

Good things to have in case zombies invade too..

[Galloglaich]

...Good things to have in case zombies invade too..

People often ask me why I have amassed such a huge collection of weapons (everything from Dark age bladed weaponry to modern high tech rifles). I used to take the time to explain about all my various interests in history, martial arts (Eastern & Western), outdoor activities, ...blah, blah, blah... Now I just routinely reply nonchalantly that they are for "when the dead walk the Earth" and leave it at that.

[Revenant]

I keep a knife in my car along with a spare tire iron but I don't usually carry them on me. I used to carry a bike lock, about a meter of steel rope with a lock on the end. That got me out of a couple of sticky situations when I was younger and was easily concealed.

Improvised weapons can be useful, but aren't reliable, you can be caught in situations where there is nothing close at hand.

[HawkR]

I sometimes walk around with a Bowie Knife, just the sight of it has proven to get me out of kinky situations, I also use Nunchakus, but since one need suitable training to use one, it's not preffered. I also got a wooden Katana, and it can make a quite good impact on the right occasion. But if you need a knife, make one out of wood, they can get quite sharp and pointy:)

[Oresai]

I`ve been on the receiving end of a man`s punches, and frankly as a woman, I`m useless to counter it. But, I DO have a lovely collection of weapons now :D
I favour the crossbow and archery bow, but if I`d to chose something for close combat it would be the Scottish dirk..halfway between a knife and short sword...or even the sgian dubh, a short knife meant to be secreted about the person, traditionally worn under the oxter (armpit) but nowadays worn tucked into the sock of Scots national costume. :)

[Ulf]

If the hordes (zombie or otherwise) ever come I want this.
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[Psychonaut]

If the hordes (zombie or otherwise) ever come I want this.
hhstuvzMiB0

Holy crap! Fully automatic shotgun for the win!

[Sol Invictus]

If the hordes (zombie or otherwise) ever come I want this.
hhstuvzMiB0

I'm amazed at how little the recoil is on that thing... AMAZING.. Gotta love Drum Magazines...


Holy crap! Fully automatic shotgun for the win!

x2!!

[Rudy]

This site has RPK belt guns and Saiga 12g with drums, but you will not be able to get any this late in the game before the ban. Of course, these type of discussions are never complete with a mention of the Barrett semi-auto 50, which you can look at in the site also.
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/beta/storecategory90.aspx
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/beta/brand.aspx?mid=42
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/beta/storecategory95.aspx

For knives, the Cold Steel Espada XL is fairly cool to look at. Talk about a pocket sword.
http://www.keenzo.com/showproduct.asp?M=COLD-STEEL&ID=1304510&ref=GB
A lot of people like the Benchmade and Zero Tolerance lines.
http://www.knifeworks.com/zerotoleranceknives.aspx

[Ulf]

http://www.uncrate.com/men/images/2009/01/kick-axe.jpg

http://www.uncrate.com/men/gear/outdoor/gerber-kick-axe/

[Ulf]

http://www.gunpundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/shot09-sw-22-ar-500x375.jpg

They are scheduled out in July and will have an MSRP of $499.99. Comes with a 25 round magazine.

:eek:

[Rasvalg]

My preferred weapon is my fists. There are plenty of weapons always at hand.
Now for my question, how many of you have actually trained to use your hand to hand weapons like the one in one post that said I carry a knife in my car? The answer is probably only a handful and even with that training it may only have been a day or two in basic. This brings this to hand then that if you have not trained with hand to hand weapons then it is best to not try to use that weapon if you are more proficient with just you fists. The reason for that is that you become to centered on that weapon and your opponent if they are any good at what they do #1 will pick up on that and #2 is liable to take you weapon from you and use it on you.
Now of course if you are proficient in gun fu and carry concealed then more power to you. At that point I prefer the para-ordanance .45 double stack that holds 14+1. Not to terribly hard to conceal either.

[Sol Invictus]

Skadi took it down.. (Why??) But here she is...

http://i42.tinypic.com/2lktaj7.jpg

I'm going to be selling it when/if I get my TAR.. Only 500 or so rounds through it..

[HawkR]

Damn! I wish guns like that had been legal in Norway, but, sadly no... Never the lessm what do you want for it?:)

[Sol Invictus]

Damn! I wish guns like that had been legal in Norway, but, sadly no... Never the lessm what do you want for it?:)

These Rifles are expensive here so that's why I wouldn't sell it to anyone else outside Canada, because you can get them cheaper in the states, about half the price as it is here.. I'd sell it for about $900.00 mount and Magpul stock included which isn't a bad price, since I'd be selling it for half it's value..

[Sol Invictus]

http://www.gunpundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/shot09-sw-22-ar-500x375.jpg

They are scheduled out in July and will have an MSRP of $499.99. Comes with a 25 round magazine.

:eek:


I couldn't believe my eyes but then I noticed it was only .22 lol

No thanks .. Be lucky if you can kill a squirrel with it :p

[HawkR]

This here is my favorite weapon! It's just one helluva gun! Litteraly speaking:p

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f3/M82A1_afmil.jpg


The M82 (also more recently known as the M107) is a heavy SASR (Special Application Scoped Rifle) developed by the American Barrett Firearms Company. It is used by many units and armies around the world, including the American Special Forces. It is also called the "Light Fifty" for its .50 caliber BMG (12.7 mm) chambering. The weapon is found in two variants — the original M82A1 (and A3) and the bullpup M82A2. The M82A2 is no longer manufactured, though XM500 can be seen as its successor, in that it also employs a bullpup configuration.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M82_Barrett_rifle

[Ulf]

I couldn't believe my eyes but then I noticed it was only .22 lol

No thanks .. Be lucky if you can kill a squirrel with it :p

:D Yeah but .22's are cheap and fun to target practice. Also, 25 .22 lr rounds will still do some damage. :p

[MarcvSS]

Guys please remain on topic...

Where talking about weapons usable in man to man combat... I can't for the love of God understand how machineguns fit that profile. Or do you go to the bar with that concealed under your jacket?

[HawkR]

I agree. It went of topic, unless we are all Terminators:p

What about standard rings on your fingers, they can leave quite a impact, but is it then your fists, or the rings which would be the weapon?

[Vargtand]

Guys please remain on topic...

Where talking about weapons usable in man to man combat... I can't for the love of God understand how machineguns fit that profile. Or do you go to the bar with that concealed under your jacket?

Seeing as I can't edit my post anymore let me say this it was a misunderstanding of the term man to man combat, naturally in close quartered combat I would not bring a machine gun :P

[Ulf]

Sorry KCV. :embarrassed

Do handguns count?

[MarcvSS]

Sorry KCV. :embarrassed

Do handguns count?Well given the fact that a handgun is very usable and I frequently carry one myself, I would say yes comrade...

[Ulf]

Taurus Judge. Shoots .45 Colt and 410 shotgun.

http://www.gunblast.com/images/Taurus-Judge/DSC00272.jpg

[Rudy]

For concealable weapons then the answer would be a high capacity 40SW or 45ACP with a backup.

[HawkR]

Or just be Terminator and carry with you a Desert Eagle .357:p

[MarcvSS]

Here's a pic of the gun I sometimes carry on me...

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh169/Torvald34/Iceman7840_glock_23_2008.jpg

[Psychonaut]

Taurus Judge. Shoots .45 Colt and 410 shotgun.


For close quarters combat, the Judge is probably the best handgun out there. I'm mean, seriously, what's better than a shotgun that fits in your pocket?

[Rudy]

Some people have concern that the Taurus Judge will not have enough penetration. I do not think that a 410 slug will penetrate better than a 45 Long Colt. It is only an advantage if you need a portable snake gun.
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot41.htm

If you want a big revolver, then get a Magnum Research in 45-70. There is a nice recoil chart halfway down the page.
http://www.magnumresearch.com/FAQ_BFRRevolver.asp

For one shot only, the double barrel shotguns are tough to beat.

[Ulf]

Some people have concern that the Taurus Judge will not have enough penetration. I do not think that a 410 slug will penetrate better than a 45 Long Colt. It is only an advantage if you need a portable snake gun.
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot41.htm

If you want a big revolver, then get a Magnum Research in 45-70. There is a nice recoil chart halfway down the page.
http://www.magnumresearch.com/FAQ_BFRRevolver.asp

For one shot only, the double barrel shotguns are tough to beat.

I think loading a .410 slug into a revolver that can carry a .45 Colt is kind of redundant anyway. Use some sort of shot w/ the shotgun shell. If I blast your face/neck/upper chest with a .410 shot shell, you'll still get the point.

Also, 2 inches of penetration into flesh is still significant. Especially around the chest/face region.

[Rudy]

Bad people sometimes wear heavy leather jackets, or are on drugs, and do not react to bird shot as much as one might think they would. However, I agree that heavy bird shot would be a deterrent to most.

[Ulf]

Bad people sometimes wear heavy leather jackets, or are on drugs, and do not react to bird shot as much as one might think they would. However, I agree that heavy bird shot would be a deterrent to most.

Stagger your ammo. .410 shot, .45 Colt, .410 shot. Or however your like. .410 shot, rest .45 Colt.

You can squeeze two off before he closes the distance. This way you hit him with .410 and .45.

[Psychonaut]

Some people have concern that the Taurus Judge will not have enough penetration. I do not think that a 410 slug will penetrate better than a 45 Long Colt.

With something like that, I think that the spray factor is far more valuable than penetration.

[Rudy]

I have read some coroner opinions before that despite its lack of penetration, that heavy bird shot from a 12 gauge is quite effective from what they have seen. I am still not convinced about the 410 spray from a handgun being more than a deterrent. I am not volunteering either.

Many people just stick with what is most effective, buckshot, and do not mess around unless there is a reason. Some people in mobile homes or apartments consider heavy bird shot. It is still better than most people's fists.

[Ulf]

Do you have any knowledge if their is .410 buck shot? Pardon me if this is a dumb question, I know buck shot is a large caliber, but I'm just wondering. It would certainly be a better option.

The bird shot has a larger area of effect, meaning in a heated situation you need less precision. I'm assuming that getting hit by bird shot would also feel like getting hit by a Mike Tyson punch, only worse...

[Rudy]

3" 410 holds 5 buck shot pellets, and 2.5" holds three .34 (of an inch) pellets. It was estimated at box-o-truth to get ~4-5 inches of penetration from the handgun.

I have no idea what it feels like to get shot with 410 bird shot, I only know that many times it only damages the skin and underlying muscles, but does not reach the organs. It could look bad, but it would depend on the mind state of the "bad guy" for how much psychological impact it had.

I have read that heavy bird shot from a 12g leaves many people on a table. It is assuming they are not wearing a heavy leather jacket. Many professionals would only use buckshot (from a 12g).

[HawkR]

Why not carry a granade? Now, if you have a granade, I don't think to many people would fuck around, and since it's "hand-to-hand" combat, the distance between you and the Glock wouldn't be to far.

[Barreldriver]

My prefered set of weapons for a full blown conflict would be:

My .300 Winchester Magnum rifle as primary long range weapon
side arm my .38 Special
my Sgian Dubh for close range
and in the case of lack of ammo I would use my Urnfield Dagger, which is pretty much a sword in its right.
and my Safety Toe Swat Boots for the stomp

My daily weapon and protection is:
Safety Toe Swat Boots
Brown Leather Jacket
and my Sgian Dubh
and Leather Bracers, yes they are blade resistant, I've tested them out. :D:D:D

Here's pics of my bracers and Sgian Dubh, I normally carry the Sgian Dubh in the inner pocket of my heavy leather coat for concealment and easy access, but for the occasion I wore it in my bracers:

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k438/ragnarok1227/202334.jpg

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k438/ragnarok1227/202935.jpg

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k438/ragnarok1227/202411.jpg

[Birka]

I would love to list the various toys I have at my disposal, but I fear this government having more knowledge than they need to know de moi.

[Jägerstaffel]

I don't arm myself when I'm out and about.

How often do you guys get into skirmishes in your day-to-day life?
KCV, don't answer that. :)

Every time I've ever been in a fight, I've only just had my hands.

[The Lawspeaker]

I don't arm myself because I don't want to get in trouble with the law. Which is perhaps peculiar since the law favors those that come to take over our country. But I never get into fights but when something would happen in a pub I would first try to reason with him and if he comes up with a weapon I would make him EAT this:

http://www.altijdhandig.com/files/products/barkrukken.jpg

On the street I could use my fists and make a runner but when I am in the woods I usually carry my good old staff and an attacker would get this one up his eye socket while I leave the scene he himself has created.

[Barreldriver]

I would love to list the various toys I have at my disposal, but I fear this government having more knowledge than they need to know de moi.

I didn't list every toy I've got ;) I've got a few "supprises".

[RoyBatty]

Stun gun, Maglite (3 x D Cell)

[Hildolf]

Just to keep the odds in my favour

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm262/geudens_photos/howitzer.jpg

:D