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Beorn
01-30-2010, 08:38 PM
Just browsing around and landed upon this article (http://bnp.org.uk/2010/01/four-flags-the-indigenous-people-of-britain-dna-history-and-the-right-to-existence-of-the-native-inhabitants-of-the-british-isles/) on the BNP web page advertising the new Arthur Kemp booklet titled: Four Flags: The Indigenous People of Britain (DNA, History and the Right to Existence of the Native Inhabitants of the British Isles.

It certainly looks interesting, but I can't help but feel aggrieved that a party espousing the rights of the indigenous people has forgotten one of the nations of the British Isles. So I left a comment under my current username and have gone and remade the map properly.Contrary to what the liberal left Tory/Labour/Lib-Dem/UKIP-ECHR allege, the native people of the British Isles are a distinct, identifiable and homogenous indigenous people who have every right to exist and be free from invasion and domination — like any other indigenous people on earth. Excalibur Books is proud to announce the pre-launch of a new booklet which conclusively refutes the lie that there are no indigenous British people.
Titled Four Flags: The Indigenous People of Britain (DNA, History and the Right to Existence of the Native Inhabitants of the British Isles), this booklet by Arthur Kemp draws upon the very latest DNA evidence and historical fact to show that the vast majority of the British people have ancestors going back to the last mini ice age more than 12,000 years ago.
The table of contents is as follows:
1. Introduction (Deals with the denial of indigenous status to the British people)
2. Indigenous People — A Definition (uses UN and other definitions)
3. Haplogroups and the Genetic Identification of Peoples (explains Y-Chromosomes, mtDNA and Autosomal DNA in detail, and how they are used in forensics and history to identify and track peoples to specific areas)
4. The Haplogroups Which Mark the Indigenous People of Britain (explains which haplogroups are indigenous to Britain)
5. A History of the Peopling of Britain (a potted history of the people who have made up Britain through settlement, i.e. Euro base population: Celts, Romans, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Danes, Normans – including figures on actual numbers of settlers and their genetic impact as measured by haplogroup)
6. Four Flags, One Nation: The right of the people of the British Isles to existence and freedom from colonisation, domination and dispossession of their lands and culture.
This booklet shows:
* Genetic evidence shows that the vast majority — nearly 80 percent — of all British people have ancestors going back to the end of the last mini ice age 12,000 years ago;
http://bnp.org.uk/files/2010/01/Y-Haplogroups-of-Europe-web.jpg
* Genetic evidence showing that the Celtic, Roman, Anglo-Saxon, Viking/Danish and Norman conquests had negligible impacts upon the British people (less than 5 percent each);
* Genetic evidence showing that the Irish people have far more in common with the British than both sides of that traditional divide realise.
* The people of the British Isles have been indigenous peoples for far longer than many other nations who are already classified as “indigenous” by the United Nations Permanent Forum on Indigenous Issues.
This booklet also shows how the indigenous people of Britain are fully protected by the United Nations Charter on Indigenous Peoples from “dispossession of their territory” through “mass population transfers” and from “forced integration and assimilation” and “destruction of their identity and culture” (all according to the United Nations).
Even more importantly, the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples states that all indigenous peoples have the right to define who is part of their nation and who is not.
This is the killer booklet to destroy the final left-liberal argument against the right of Britain to be British.


Source (http://bnp.org.uk/2010/01/four-flags-the-indigenous-people-of-britain-dna-history-and-the-right-to-existence-of-the-native-inhabitants-of-the-british-isles/)



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Grumpy Cat
01-30-2010, 09:10 PM
Haven't the Cornish been there longer than the English?

Beorn
01-30-2010, 09:15 PM
Haven't the Cornish been there longer than the English?

In respects to the culture, language, etc, then yes.

Wulfhere
01-30-2010, 11:01 PM
They forgot the Mercians too.

Randwulf
02-01-2010, 01:53 PM
Haven't the Cornish been there longer than the English?

No,because the english are cornish,and the cornish are english.Except it.

Randwulf
02-01-2010, 01:56 PM
They forgot the Mercians too.

Mercia will never be independant of england.To much is at stake to allow it.

Beorn
02-01-2010, 02:20 PM
No,because the english are cornish,and the cornish are english.Except it.

Agreed to an extent. As a population we differ very, very little genetically, but the Cornish culture precedes the English culture (for arguments sake English=Anglo-Saxon).

Catuvellaunian
02-02-2010, 12:17 AM
They forgot the Mercians too.

Thats because Mercia isn't a sepate country and shouldn't be, at least not while there are greater issues at stake.


Agreed to an extent. As a population we differ very, very little genetically

Even in older innaccurate genetic surveys (the ones that show the english as anglo-saxon) the cornish were still the same.

Óttar
02-02-2010, 12:49 AM
Cornwall

They consider it a part of England at this point. Many maps merely identify it as part of "Southwest" whatever that is.


They forgot the Mercians too.
That's like Holland becoming independent from the Netherlands. :rolleyes2:

Osweo
02-02-2010, 03:09 AM
Haven't the Cornish been there longer than the English?
No. When the Engle came, there were no Cornish as such. There were only Britons. The Saxons created the Cornish in a way, by ensuring their division from the ancestors of the Welsh.
Of course, those Anglo-Saxons of the fifth and sixth centuries were not quite yet the English of later more familiar times. You could say that we are more like peers in age terms.

In respects to the culture, language, etc, then yes.
Cornish culture did not exist as such before the English came.

They forgot the Mercians too.
That's cos they're English, stupid.

Beorn
02-25-2010, 02:55 PM
Hf-i1Suu0xo

It is 6 parts.

Poltergeist
02-25-2010, 03:04 PM
Perhaps the most crucial question regarding this issue: how many among the Cornish people do care at all about their Cornishness?

Beorn
02-25-2010, 03:10 PM
I'd say it has increased since 2001. You need only see the success of Mebyon Kernow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mebyon_Kernow) for partial proof of this.


The Cornish people are regarded as an ethnic group (http://www.search.com/reference/Ethnic_group) of Britain (http://www.search.com/reference/Britain) originating in Cornwall (http://www.search.com/reference/Cornwall). They are often described as a Celtic (http://www.search.com/reference/Celt) people.
The number of people living in Cornwall who consider themselves to be more Cornish than British or English is unknown. One survey found that 35.1% of respondents identified as Cornish, with 48.4% of respondents identifying as English, a further 11% thought of themselves as British.[1] (http://www.search.com/reference/Cornish_people#_note-0) A Morgan Stanley survey in 2004 indicated that 44% of people in Cornwall identify as Cornish rather than English or British, [2] (http://www.search.com/reference/Cornish_people#_note-1) and there have been recent calls for more accuracy in the recording of the number who identity as Cornish in the 2011 Census.[3] (http://www.search.com/reference/Cornish_people#_note-2)

As with other ethnic groups in the British Isles (http://www.search.com/reference/British_Isles), the question of identity is not straightforward. Ethnic identity has been based as much – if not more – on cultural identity than on descent. Many descendants of people who came and settled in Cornwall have adopted this identity.[4] (http://www.search.com/reference/Cornish_people#_note-3)
The subject of Cornish identity has been extensively studied in the Cornish studies series of books published by Exeter university press. Cornishness is examined with methodological tools varying from feminist theory (http://www.search.com/reference/Feminist_theory) to deconstructionism (http://www.search.com/reference/Deconstructionism).[5] (http://www.search.com/reference/Cornish_people#_note-4)

In the 2001 UK Census (http://www.search.com/reference/United_Kingdom_Census_2001), the population of Cornwall and the Isles of Scilly was estimated to be 501,267.[6] (http://www.search.com/reference/Cornish_people#_note-5) Cornish community organisations tend to consider half of these people to be ethnic Cornish.[citation needed] (http://www.search.com/reference/Wikipedia:Citing_sources)
A recent survey by the University of Plymouth (http://www.search.com/reference/University_of_Plymouth) found that, when given the opportunity, over a third of pupils in Cornish schools identified themselves as Cornish.[citation needed] (http://www.search.com/reference/Wikipedia:Citing_sources) A survey conducted by Morgan Stanley (http://www.search.com/reference/Morgan_Stanley) found that 44% of Cornish inhabitants surveyed felt "Cornish" rather than "British" or "English". [7] (http://www.search.com/reference/Cornish_people#_note-msbbc) This was the largest such figure in England,[8] (http://www.search.com/reference/Cornish_people#_note-morstan) across the whole of England 21% of people identified most closely to their county, 31% to England and 34% to Britain,[7] (http://www.search.com/reference/Cornish_people#_note-msbbc) but it was not the only such result: 37% of people in Derbyshire (http://www.search.com/reference/Derbyshire) and East Sussex (http://www.search.com/reference/East_Sussex) also identified themselves with their county first.[8] (http://www.search.com/reference/Cornish_people#_note-morstan) This represented nearly 7% of the population of Cornwall and is therefore a significant phenomenon. [9] (http://www.search.com/reference/Cornish_people#_note-6) Although happy with this development, campaigners expressed reservations about the lack of publicity surrounding the issue, the lack of a clear tick-box for the Cornish option on the census and the need to deny being British (http://www.search.com/reference/Briton) in order to write "Cornish" in the field provided. The UK government has agreed recently that English (http://www.search.com/reference/English_people) and Welsh (http://www.search.com/reference/Welsh_people) will have an ethnicity tick box on the Census 2011 but there will be no Cornish option tick box. Various Cornish organisations are campaigning for the inclusion of the Cornish tick box on the next 2011 Census. [10] (http://www.search.com/reference/Cornish_people#_note-7) [11] (http://www.search.com/reference/Cornish_people#_note-8)