Northern Ireland threat 'highest for six years'

[Beorn]

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The threat from dissident Irish terrorism is at its highest for six years, a Northern Ireland minister has told the Commons.

Paul Goggins condemned last night's attack on a police station – a pipe bomb was thrown in north Belfast causing damage to fencing but no injuries.
Jeffrey Donaldson (DUP, Lagan Valley) praised the co-operation of police in the Republic of Ireland.

He asked if a realignment between dissident Republican groups was responsible for the increased number of attacks on and risks to PSNI officers.
Goggins said there has been increased tactical co-operation between some dissident groups.

Henry Bellingham (Con, North West Norfolk) asked if the PSNI's intelligence is as effective as its predecessor force, the RUC.
Goggins replied that he has total confidence in the security forces.
Shadow Northern Ireland minister Laurence Robertson condemned last night's attack "without reservation". He asked what steps are being taken to help police protect themselves.

Goggins said all officers had been given a briefing on personal security and £28m has been made available this year to deal with the terror threat.
Asked about police recruitment, Goggins said that 28 per cent of the PSNI is from the Roman Catholic community, up from eight per cent in 2001.

More needs to be done to encourage more women and ethnic minorities to join, he added.
Alastair Carmichael, Lib Dem spokesman on Northern Ireland, accused the Conservatives of trying to create a pan-Unionist alliance.

Northern Ireland secretary Shaun Woodward said he would not attempt to score party advantage, and stressed that all parties must work to complete the peace process.
He said the government has shown faith in the NI parties in the past and will do so again.

Shadow NI secretary Owen Paterson said devolution of policing and justice powers to Stormont must have cross-community support.
He asked if the UUP, with whom the Tories have an electoral pact, and the nationalist SDLP, have been fully involved in negotiations.

Woodward said all parties must make a deal on policing and justice powers work, but the DUP and Sinn Fein must lead the process.
Later he praised the UDA for decommissioning its weapons.

Brian Binley (Con, Northampton South) said social networking sites are being used to ferment sectarian violence in Northern Ireland.
Woodward said that is a matter for the PSNI who are looking into it. He added that illegal use of sites such as Facebook will be pursued.


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[Sol Invictus]

More needs to be done to encourage more women and ethnic minorities to join, he added.

Surprise! :rolleyes:

[Orange&BlueBear]

The threat from the fenians will always be here, but the security forces seem to be on top of it at the moment.

[Wyn]

The threat from the fenians will always be here, but the security forces seem to be on top of it at the moment.

Is there any real way to gauge that at the moment?

[Orange&BlueBear]

Is there any real way to gauge that at the moment?

Foiled plots left right and centre, any time there seems to be an attack coming, the police have the whole country covered with VCP's, earlier this week I travelled on a 30 mile stretch of roads between Cookstown to Maghera and along the one road there was 10 different VCP's.

Realistically the level of violence that they have been able to achieve isn't a real threat, yes they may achieve a few more killings and eventually kill somebody with one of their bombs, but it is nothing unusual. Even in staunchly republican areas the police are still driving around in cars. I'm only 23, and I was about 10 before I ever seen a marked police car in Belfast due to the threat being so high they had to use the landrovers, now you hardly ever see them in the landrovers and that in itself says it all about how severe the threat realistically is, off-course they are armed filth intent on destruction but they just can't seem to get themselves ahead of the security services at the time being.

[Murphy]

Aye sure it's always those Fenians with their Roman Popery that are causing all the problems. We'll ignore Loyalist death squads that are armed to the teeth and who say that a Catholic is a legitimate target for being a Catholic.

Always those bloody taigs and their Vatican and their superstitions..

[Wyn]

Aye sure it's always those Fenians

Just to digress somewhat, it's sort of funny that Fenian is used as a slur by loyalists given that it derives from an Irish word and was coined by an Irish republican leader in memory of Gaelic warriors.

[Orange&BlueBear]

Aye sure it's always those Fenians with their Roman Popery that are causing all the problems. We'll ignore Loyalist death squads that are armed to the teeth and who say that a Catholic is a legitimate target for being a Catholic.

Always those bloody taigs and their Vatican and their superstitions..



What loyalist death squads?

Catch a grip you eejit, tell me this, your 18, i'm only 23, how many Irish Roman Catholic/popeheads, taigs, fenians, papish bastards, what ever you wanna call them have been shot dead or killed in a sectarian attack since both of us left primary school?

[Wyn]

Irish Roman Catholic/popeheads, taigs, fenians, papish bastards

You do know there a papish bastards on your side, yes? And you know that there are plenty of neo-Jewish heretics (Protestants, whatever) who have supported and do support Fenianism (i.e. Irish republicanism)?

[Murphy]

What loyalist death squads?

Loyalist paramilitaries have made a show of the fact that they haven't decommissioned.


Catch a grip you eejit, tell me this, your 18, i'm only 23, how many Irish Roman Catholic/popeheads, taigs, fenians, papish bastards, what ever you wanna call them have been shot dead or killed in a sectarian attack since both of us left primary school?

Mate, just the other week two wee lassies had their heads kicked-in by a mob of filthy Orange bandsmen who jumped off their wee minibus in Coleraine after not getting the original fight they wanted. Last year there were Orange cunts going through doors with baseball bats threatening wee ten year old weans. And let's not forget the Orange mob that planted pipe bombs in primary schools the other day or the Holy Cross incident where yer lot were thrown piss and porn at Catholic school girls.

[Orange&BlueBear]

You do know there a papish bastards on your side, yes? And you know that there are plenty of neo-Jewish heretics (Protestants, whatever) who have supported and do support Fenianism (i.e. Irish republicanism)?

If you quoted what I typed, you will see I said what ever you wanna call them.

For the record, I know of people from Roman Catholic backgrounds who are in loyalist paramilitary groups, and it's common knowledge that a fair number of Roman Catholics are members of Unionist political parties etc.

[Orange&BlueBear]

Loyalist paramilitaries have made a show of the fact that they haven't decommissioned.



Mate, just the other week two wee lassies had their heads kicked-in by a mob of filthy Orange bandsmen who jumped off their wee minibus in Coleraine after not getting the original fight they wanted. Last year there were Orange cunts going through doors with baseball bats threatening wee ten year old weans. And let's not forget the Orange mob that planted pipe bombs in primary schools the other day or the Holy Cross incident where yer lot were thrown piss and porn at Catholic school girls.



What happened in Coleraine?

Did the alleged attack even happen?.. What do you mean they didn't the original fight that they wanted?.... this alleged attack is supposed to have happened in a loyalist part of Coleraine, according to the news reports none of the girls were taken to hospital suffering from any injuries, so they hardly got their heads kicked in that's if it even happened, and how come nobody has been arrested, as the area is also beside a Retail park covered in CCTV,so the registration of the mini-bus and the identity of the band in question would have been visable. Or may be the reason is the simple fact that the attack never actually happened?

And you may ask how one knows this, well it's simple isn't it-There was only one parade on that night, and no band from Coleraine was in attendance or the surronding area as the parade was at the other end of the country. This attack is supposed to have happened and I use the word supposed to have occurred just 48 hours before loyalists from Coleraine were up in court having their bail conditions changed to allow them back into most of Coleraine, no one treated in hospital for any injuries, no arrests and nobody in Coleraine has heard head or tail about the incident.

Punishment squads going through doors on both sides of the community is common, I very much doubt they actually threatened 10 year old kids as they are usually in and out looking for their target, usually these type of stories are made up by individuals to boast their case for a claim or to get them moved outta the area by the Housing executive.

Planting a bomb in Roman Catholic primary schools serves no purpose to the loyalist cause, many loyalists actually believe myself included that this so-called real-UFF is actually republicans stirring up sectarian tension in the Mid-Antrim area, they have done it before and been caught out on numerous occaisions, like when they paint bombed Harryville chapel, yet used the same paint to paint bomb Protestant homes in the Fisherwick estate in Ballymena, plus nobody has head anything about this so-called real-UFF on the ground, just in the newspapers and for these bomb warnings, which in no-way benefit the loyalist cause.

On the issue of holy cross, well things happened there that shouldn't have happened, people disgraced themselves and didn't articulate their reasons behind the protest which are fully valid. The people up there at that time were facing major sectarian aggression from the IRA, who tried to increase the Roman Catholic populations territorial hold in East and North Belfast at that time by trying to take over the lower Newtown, Glenbryn, Twaddell, White City, Tigers Bay and Torrens, with the exception of Torrens they failed. Those people were having their homes petrol bombed and attacked constantly, and yes the prods gave it to them straight back again, but when you attack Protestant homes, you can't expect scum of the earth like Copeland and Sean Kelly walking up the road to the school in the morning, as they were filmed on tv doing so, that's what started the protest happening after a protestant suffered a broken leg after a republican drove a car straight at him when he was up a ladder. At that time what the protestants wanted was the peace line built higher and no contact whatsoever with the rebels in Ardoyne, and certainly no IRA scum who murdered 9 Protestants on the Shankill road walking up and down a road where the night before the filth had been burning Protestant pensioners out and you really wonder why tensions were high?

And personally any parent who was prepared to use their kids as a political football by sinn fein, rather than using the back gate to the school or using the buses which the loyalists agreed would be safe to travel up and down, is a disgrace in my eyes. Who the hell do these people think they are?

Try and kill Protestants by night, shot a young man playing football with his wee cousin who was very nearly killed as well, petrol bomb and pipe bomb members of our community, then walk past our houses with well known IRA bastards. No way pedro and in all honesty, when the crunch comes to it, prods can be even bigger and nastier bastards than the fenian filth, but that hasn't been the case for years, so all this talk of loyalist death squads is pure crap, and unrealistic of the present situation in Northern Ireland.

[Murphy]

Adrian Lamph 21/04/98 Catholic woman shot dead
Ciaran Heffrom 25/04/98 Shot dead
Richard Quinn 12/07/98 - Aged 11, burned alive in UVF petrol bomb attack
Mark Quinn 12//07/98 - Aged 10 ** same attack
Jason Quinn - same attack, aged 9
Francis O'Reilly - October 1998, RHD
Brian Service - 31/October 1998, RHD
Rosemary Nelson - 15/03/99 RHD Carbomb boobytrap
Elizabeth O'Neill - June 1999, bombed by LVF, assumed to be Catholic by being married to Catholic
Unknown - 1999 - Two Catholics killed by LVF, forget their names - but it sticks out because one was beheaded
Gary Moore - December 2000, UDA shot dead
Paul Daly - 01/05/01 - Shot by UDA
John McCormick - 23/06/01 - Shot by UDA
Ciaran Cummings - 04/07/01 - Shot by UDA
Gavin Brett - July 2001, Protestant, shot by UDA assumed to be Catholic
Martin O'Hagan - 28/09/01 - Shot by LVF, Catholic.
Francis Mulholland - 03/12/01 - Shot by UDA
Daniel McColgan - Jan 02 - shot by UDA
Gerard Lawlor - 21/07/02- shot by UDA
Chris Whitson - August 02 - Beaten to death, unknown Loyalists
James McMahon - November 03 - Beaten to death by UDA
Stephen Montgomery - Jan 05 UDA/RHD, Beaten to death
Lisa Dorrian - 2005 - Missing, abducted by LVF
Thomas Devlin - August 2005, stabbed to death unknown loyalists, aged 15
Michael McIlveen - May 2006, aged 15, beaten to death unknown loyalists
Kevin McDaid - Last year

[Loki]

Why don't we just send all England's Pakis over to Northern Ireland. Maybe then the Protestants and Catholics will stop fighting each other.

[Orange&BlueBear]

That's it exactly Eoin, a small number killed over a substantial period of time proves that there is hardly loyalist death squads roaming the streets.

Some of those listed there actually died of natural causes or played the game and came out on the wrong end of the game or were killed when sectarian tensions were extremely high in certain areas but the simple facts on the ground is in the last 12 or so years loyalists haven't even killed half the number of people that republicans have. And a lot of peoples names who you have listed were killed due to other factors rather than simply their religion or their proclaimed nationality.

[Orange&BlueBear]

Why don't we just send all England's Pakis over to Northern Ireland. Maybe then the Protestants and Catholics will stop fighting each other.

Wouldn't make a blind bit of difference, certain parts of Ulster have already been rapidly changed by multiculturalism, although thankfully the muslims haven't arrived in mass yet, but nonetheless it hasn't changed the political situation on the ground between the Protestant and Roman Catholic community in these areas.