Classify Belgium football team

[Yuffayur]

1.
http://img.fifa.com/images/fwc/2014/players/prt-3/358106.png

2.
http://img.fifa.com/images/fwc/2014/players/prt-3/290864.png

3.
http://img.fifa.com/images/fwc/2014/players/prt-3/216880.png

4.
http://img.fifa.com/images/fwc/2014/players/prt-3/216004.png

5.
http://img.fifa.com/images/fwc/2014/players/prt-3/290904.png

6.
http://img.fifa.com/images/fwc/2014/players/prt-3/290821.png

7.
http://img.fifa.com/images/fwc/2014/players/prt-3/358120.png

8.
http://img.fifa.com/images/fwc/2014/players/prt-3/290902.png

9.
http://img.fifa.com/images/fwc/2014/players/prt-3/358112.png

10.
http://img.fifa.com/images/fwc/2014/players/prt-3/273996.png

11.
http://img.fifa.com/images/fwc/2014/players/prt-3/290903.png

12.
http://img.fifa.com/images/fwc/2014/players/prt-3/298738.png

No pictures of no.13


14.
http://img.fifa.com/images/fwc/2014/players/prt-3/358114.png

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[Yuffayur]

15.
http://img.fifa.com/images/fwc/2014/players/prt-3/375523.png

16.
http://img.fifa.com/images/fwc/2014/players/prt-3/290824.png

17.
http://img.fifa.com/images/fwc/2014/players/prt-3/379911.png

18.
http://img.fifa.com/images/fwc/2014/players/prt-3/216874.png

19.
http://img.fifa.com/images/fwc/2014/players/prt-3/290825.png

20.
http://img.fifa.com/images/fwc/2014/players/prt-3/379910.png

21.
http://img.fifa.com/images/fwc/2014/players/prt-3/216006.png

22.
http://img.fifa.com/images/fwc/2014/players/prt-3/358108.png

23.
http://img.fifa.com/images/fwc/2014/players/prt-3/290822.png

24.
http://img.fifa.com/images/fwc/2014/players/prt-3/44755.png

VIVE LA BELGIQUE !!!

[GrebluBro]

#4 SSA #6 Mulatto #8 MENA (SSA influence) #9 SSA #17 SSA #19 Mulatto #21 MENA #22 MENA

14 White, 3 Black, 2 Mulatto 3 MENA (coach #24 not added)
14/22 65% Euro

[Tooting Carmen]

Atlanto-Meds, Alpines, Brunns and Sudanids.

[GrebluBro]

@OP...Is there any Moroccan here? Riffian if he exists

[Yuffayur]

@OP...Is there any Moroccan here? Riffian if he exists

yes 2 Moroccans not riffians no 8 and 22.

[GrebluBro]

Atlanto-Meds, Alpines, Brunns and Sudanids.

What are the countries these three can pass?
http://img.fifa.com/images/fwc/2014/players/prt-3/375523.pnghttp://img.fifa.com/images/fwc/2014/players/prt-3/290824.pnghttp://img.fifa.com/images/fwc/2014/players/prt-3/358114.png

[Tooting Carmen]

What are the countries these three can pass?
http://img.fifa.com/images/fwc/2014/players/prt-3/375523.pnghttp://img.fifa.com/images/fwc/2014/players/prt-3/290824.pnghttp://img.fifa.com/images/fwc/2014/players/prt-3/358114.png

Southern Europe?

[GrebluBro]

yes 2 Moroccans not riffians no 8 and 22.

#8 shows SSA in his hair but not in features,
#22 shows no SSA but quite dark.

I heard majority of Moroccans in Netherlands/Belgium are Riffians with South-Euro leaning looks.. How true is that?

[GrebluBro]

Southern Europe?

I took all of them as Euro, and in fact none of them are ethnically Moroccan as OP said.
However, they do look exotic

[Dandelion]

I wonder how they'll do against Russia June 22nd.

[Tooting Carmen]

I took all of them as Euro, and in fact none of them are ethnically Moroccan as OP said.
However, they do look exotic

Looking at the photos properly again, they look Southern Euro, not MENA. Anyway, in Belgium the French speakers tend to be darker than the Flemish speakers, thus I assume these three players are the former.

[GrebluBro]

Looking at the photos properly again, they look Southern Euro, not MENA. Anyway, in Belgium the French speakers tend to be darker than the Flemish speakers, thus I assume these three players are the former.

I agree...ethnic-French are basically not Northerners.. I've seen many tanned French women

[Tooting Carmen]

I agree...ethnic-French are basically not Northerners.. I've seen many tanned French women

France is to Northern Europe what Cyprus is to the Middle East, if that makes sense.

[GrebluBro]

@OP,
Could you post 14, 15,, 16 players ethnicity?

[Yuffayur]

@OP,
Could you post 14, 15,, 16 players ethnicity?

They're ethnic Belgians.

[Yuffayur]

I wonder how they'll do against Russia June 22nd.

Don't worry they promise well.

[GrebluBro]

They're ethnic Belgians.

Cool..If I posted #15 & #16 as Riffian/Kabyle, TA folks would believe :pound:

[Yuffayur]

Cool..If I posted #15 & #16 as Riffian/Kabyle, TA folks would believe :pound:

lool of course.

[GrebluBro]

lool of course.

But they keep denying some Riffians/Kabyle can pass as Euro :pout:

[Tooting Carmen]

But they keep denying some Riffians/Kabyle can pass as Euro :pout:

Only a small percentage can, and then mostly in Iberia and to a lesser extent Italy and Greece.

[Yuffayur]

#8 shows SSA in his hair but not in features,
#22 shows no SSA but quite dark.

I heard majority of Moroccans in Netherlands/Belgium are Riffians with South-Euro leaning looks.. How true is that?

Yeah it's true here the rotterdam mayor he's riffian

http://www.ijsselmondenieuws.nl/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/ahmed_aboutaleb.jpg
http://www.metronieuws.nl/_internal/gxml!0/r0dc21o2f3vste5s7ezej9x3a10rp3w$115jnm56llfaw1sht0 wblvxmqfjgdk0/20120110_aboutaleb-(1).jpeg

[GrebluBro]

Only a small percentage can, and then mostly in Iberia and to a lesser extent Italy and Greece.

I bet 10% of Moroccans (25% of Riiffians, 5-10% of non-Riffians) and 15% of Algerians (25% of Kabyles, 10-15% of non-Kabyles) can pass as at least atypical-dark Euros in Southern Europe..

When we see light Euro-leaning North Africans, we compare them with typical South Euros instead of atypical dark Southern Euros.

[Tooting Carmen]

Yeah it's true here the rotterdam mayor he's riffian

http://www.ijsselmondenieuws.nl/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/ahmed_aboutaleb.jpg
http://www.metronieuws.nl/_internal/gxml!0/r0dc21o2f3vste5s7ezej9x3a10rp3w$115jnm56llfaw1sht0 wblvxmqfjgdk0/20120110_aboutaleb-(1).jpeg

He actually looks pseudo-Castizo to me (eyes and nose).

[Tooting Carmen]

When we see light Euro-leaning North Africans, we compare them with typical South Euros instead of atypical dark Southern Euros.

The percentage of which is tiny, as is the percentage of light Middle Easterners for that matter.

[GrebluBro]

He actually looks pseudo-Castizo to me (eyes and nose).

Not all common Europe people think that deep.. He will look straight-up Euro to most people

[Tooting Carmen]

Not all common Europe people think that deep.. He will look straight-up Euro to most people

Even so, I doubt he passes in Scandinavia at least...

[GrebluBro]

Even so, I doubt he passes in Scandinavia at least...

I consider a person as White if he pass at least as Sicilian (minus 30% non-Euro looking ones). LOL you went way up there

[Tooting Carmen]

I consider a person as White if he pass at least as Sicilian..

Who, while geographically European, are genetically around 25-30% West/SW Asian.

[Tchek]

Looking at the photos properly again, they look Southern Euro, not MENA. Anyway, in Belgium the French speakers tend to be darker than the Flemish speakers, thus I assume these three players are the former.

Very debatable, there are very little differences between French speakers and Flemish speakers from an ethnic point of view.

You are assuming wrong. The second and the third player from the three pictures are Flemish BTW. They don't look southern euro (the pictures are bad) but don't look northern neither, they are very short. The first one is Daniel Van Buyten, Walloon despite his name, 6ft5 and he is Uber germanic :). (not that I care, I laugh at nordicism and stuff)


Neither Walloons nor Flemish look/are southern European as a group, not from miles away.

[Antimage]

I'm pretty sure number 10 Eden Hazard is north african because he looks it

[Tchek]

The pictures are really bad, the light is absolutely horrible. They look like ID pictures made to make people look like inmates.

I admit Dries Mertens doesn't look out of place in Italy where he plays.

http://www.italianfootballdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/mertens.jpg

[GrebluBro]

I'm pretty sure number 10 Eden Hazard is north african because he looks it

Dude..he is clearly Euro.

His family

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/09/13/article-0-1500151A000005DC-399_634x445.jpg

[Antimage]

Dude..he is clearly Euro.

His family

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/09/13/article-0-1500151A000005DC-399_634x445.jpg

He must be part north african then. He doesn't look euro

[GrebluBro]

He must be part north african then. He doesn't look euro

It's not impossible for an Ethnic French looking like him.. He could be half Italian too since 300K+ Italians live in Belgium..If he doesn't look Euro, how would you call millions of swarthy Southern Italians and Greeks :picard2:

[Antimage]

It's not impossible for an Ethnic French looking like him.. He could be half Italian too since 300K++ Italians live in Belgium..If he doesn't look Euro, how would you call millions of swarthy Southern Italians and Greeks :picard2:

southern italians and greeks look euro to me, eden hazard doesn't. It's not about the pigmentation, but the way his face look like.

[GrebluBro]

southern italians and greeks look euro to me, eden hazard doesn't. It's not about the pigmentation, but the way his face look like.


How about Dries Mertens ?
http://www.footballerpics.com/upload/files/actual/Dries-Mertens/pasfoto_dries_mertens.jpg

[Antimage]

How about Dries Mertens ?
http://www.footballerpics.com/upload/files/actual/Dries-Mertens/pasfoto_dries_mertens.jpg

He looks more euro than eden hazard. Looks spanish and italian. I don't know about his ethnic origin, north african ancestry possible.

Look what french guy said about Eden Hazard's son who's called Yanis in other thread: "Yanis and Ryan (or Ines for the girls) are very popular firstnames among young magrebian couples who want to give their children a magrebian surname that doesn't sound as alien as Mohamed or Abdelkader. A compromise between tradition and modernity if you want."

Some other guy in the same thread said this about him "Austrian sport commentators always said he is a Belgian Moroccan when
Austria played them one year ago."

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?49067-Classify-Eden-Hazard/page2

also I heard a lot of arabs in Holland are very euro looking or look close to euro. The same is possible in Belgium

[GrebluBro]

He looks more euro than eden hazard. Looks spanish and italian. I don't know about his ethnic origin, north african ancestry possible.

There you go :) I'm starting new thread now.. don't post there just to avoid influence on others

[Tchek]

He must be part north african then. He doesn't look euro

What about his brother, does he look euro? or NA?

http://img.vandaag.be/tmp/450/350/r/articles/201401231809-1_anderlecht-respecteren-beslissing-thorgan-hazard.jpg

http://st-listas.20minutos.es/images/2013-05/361715/4031408_640px.jpg?1369331873

[GrebluBro]

southern italians and greeks look euro to me, eden hazard doesn't. It's not about the pigmentation, but the way his face look like.



What about his brother, does he look euro?

http://img.vandaag.be/tmp/450/350/r/articles/201401231809-1_anderlecht-respecteren-beslissing-thorgan-hazard.jpg


Both guys would be taken as Euro in most parts of Europe by most people.. Only small minority got trained eyes to say they look part or full Riffiain Berber..
OP is Riffian but he couldn't find Eden Hazard is Moroccan..
Also in other thread, majority TA members claimed and classified Eden as Euro

[Vasconcelos]

Also in other thread, majority TA members claimed and classified Eden as Euro

Most people are merely adepts (at most), nowhere nearly as good as, say, Agrippa.

[GrebluBro]

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He must be part north african then. He doesn't look euro

Brothers are part-Moroccan (saw many family pics) and will be taken as Euro by common people (minus trained eyes).
Dad could be Euro & Mom could be North African, or any kinda variation.

Parents
http://5c.img.v4.skyrock.net/5c1/edenhazard-officielle/pics/2980903099_1_3_36FtnJLi.jpghttp://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/897877Hazard.pnghttp://sporty.blogvie.com/files/2012/09/hazard-thierry25.jpghttp://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/09/13/article-0-1500151A000005DC-399_634x445.jpghttp://foothexagonal.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/thierry-thorgan-hazard.jpg

siblings
http://www.voetbal24.be/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/hazard1-610x400.jpg

[Tchek]

Dad is Moroccan (not sure if Riffian) and her mom is Euro... I've seen several family pics and siblings pics..I'm 100% sure about this..
Brothers will be taken as Euro by common people (minus trained eyes). His Moroccan ancestry part is not popular mostly cuz her dad was born in Belgium with his surname Hazard is French adaption.


Dad moroccan? He doesn't really look Moroccan; I can understand that Eden Hazard may superficially look Moroccan but that's not rare for a Euro to look superficially like something else (Himmler looks part Asian etc...)

[Vasconcelos]

He looks way more exotic than his father, or is it just me?

Think the dad has a very "Western face".

[GrebluBro]

Third brother looks clearly part or full North-African
http://oi43.tinypic.com/fnwhe.jpg

[Tchek]

Nah.
He looks pan-euro, I've seen Brits looking like that. Must be a paleo-something reemergence.

[GrebluBro]

He looks way more exotic than his father, or is it just me?

Think the dad has a very "Western face".


Dad moroccan? He doesn't really look Moroccan; I can understand that Eden Hazard may superficially look Moroccan but that's not rare for a Euro to look superficially like something else (Himmler looks part Asian etc...)


It's very confusing now.. Do you think his mom looks North African?

[GrebluBro]

Nah.
He looks pan-euro, I've seen Brits looking like that. Must be a paleo-something reemergence.

BUllocks
http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa424/Jean171/JaanVanwildemeersch18058250.png

[Tchek]

It's very confusing now.. Do you think his mom looks North African?

No one else from his family looks North-African. Must be some kind of atavism, or the coincidence of genetics.

[GrebluBro]

No one else from his family looks North-African. Must be some kind of atavism, or the coincidence of genetics.

http://nord-pas-de-calais.france3.fr/sites/regions_france3/files/styles/top_big/public/assets/images/2013/06/24/hazard_wallemme.jpg?itok=qxMdEhOuhttp://foothexagonal.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/thierry-thorgan-hazard.jpg

[Vasconcelos]

Well, I guess we need proper photos of his father....like, photos with a decent resolution and size, rather than tiny portraits.

[Tchek]

Well, I guess we need proper photos of his father....like, photos with a decent resolution and size, rather than tiny portraits.

http://sporty.blogvie.com/files/2012/09/hazard-thierry25.jpg

http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/897877Hazard.png

What do you think?

[GrebluBro]

http://sporty.blogvie.com/files/2012/09/hazard-thierry25.jpg

http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/897877Hazard.png

What do you think?

Alright..then his wife is Moroccan :thumb001:

[Sidi Atlas]

Alright..then his wife is Moroccan :thumb001:
No, she's not. As far as I know he's full Belgian. But I do agree that Eden Hazard looks slightly "exotic". It does not always indicate foreign admixture (at least not recent).

I have a colleague, an ethic Belgian Fleming, who also thought that Eden was partially foreign. The thought was not only based by the looks of Eden but the way he acts and speaks (which is quite "ghetto").

[Tchek]

It's true that he doesn't act nor sound very Belgian, but it's partly due to the fact he grew up in Lille.

[Sidi Atlas]

Very debatable, there are very little differences between French speakers and Flemish speakers from an ethnic point of view.

You are assuming wrong. The second and the third player from the three pictures are Flemish BTW. They don't look southern euro (the pictures are bad) but don't look northern neither, they are very short. The first one is Daniel Van Buyten, Walloon despite his name, 6ft5 and he is Uber germanic :). (not that I care, I laugh at nordicism and stuff)


Neither Walloons nor Flemish look/are southern European as a group, not from miles away.
The difference, if any, is very shallow. I find the difference between Flemings and Dutch much more obvious than Flemings compared to even Northern French.

BTW I find that Thibault Courtois looks a lot like the late French presient, De Gaulle.

[Antimage]

What about his brother, does he look euro? or NA?

http://img.vandaag.be/tmp/450/350/r/articles/201401231809-1_anderlecht-respecteren-beslissing-thorgan-hazard.jpg

http://st-listas.20minutos.es/images/2013-05/361715/4031408_640px.jpg?1369331873
he looks euro

[Dandelion]

Northern French don't look that Alpinid as do Southern French so you'll see more resemblance in how people there look like. No idea how Walloon and Flemish differ look-wise (I always think about people like Joëlle Milquet or Christophe Deborsu as dark examples of Walloons that would be seen as uncommon here, even though my cousin also is that dark).
Some might say Walloons are slightly darker, and then a fair-skinned Walloon or dark-skinned Fleming shows up to debunk it. In the end, it's all about tendencies, as our population aren't pure phenotype-wise anyway. That makes it hard to to.

P.S.: Reading about 'Flemish-speakers' is annoying. BBC does that I know, but BBC is trash.

[archangel]

they look normal to üntermench

[Dandelion]

The difference, if any, is very shallow. I find the difference between Flemings and Dutch much more obvious than Flemings compared to even Northern French.


Depends IMO. Dutch people from North Brabant and Limburg aren't that blonde as the ones in Friesland and North Holland are (the very distinct Dutch look (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?122210-are-these-girls-too-pale-to-pass-anywhere-other-than-British-Isles)). No idea whether they look similar to us. That might depend on individual.

I don't live that far from the Dutch border and it's not as if Flemish and Dutch don't mix or are of 'different race'.

[guyinsf]

What are the countries these three can pass?
http://img.fifa.com/images/fwc/2014/players/prt-3/375523.pnghttp://img.fifa.com/images/fwc/2014/players/prt-3/290824.pnghttp://img.fifa.com/images/fwc/2014/players/prt-3/358114.png

Spain probably as they don't look typical belgian.

[Yuffayur]

I'm pretty sure number 10 Eden Hazard is north african because he looks it

Lool ha has Moroccan jew ancestors.

[Yuffayur]

Dad moroccan? He doesn't really look Moroccan; I can understand that Eden Hazard may superficially look Moroccan but that's not rare for a Euro to look superficially like something else (Himmler looks part Asian etc...)

He has Moroccan jew ancestry like David Guetta but they don't like to show that lool

[Tchek]

Depends IMO. Dutch people from North Brabant and Limburg aren't that blonde as the ones in Friesland and North Holland are (the very distinct Dutch look (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?122210-are-these-girls-too-pale-to-pass-anywhere-other-than-British-Isles)). No idea whether they look similar to us. That might depend on individual.

I don't live that far from the Dutch border and it's not as if Flemish and Dutch don't mix or are of 'different race'.

People across the border don't look that different. I'm often in Aachen and I always play the "spot the Belgian/Dutch/German" since in Aachen's supermarkets Dutch and Belgians are almost 50% of the customers, and it's not always obvious unless they are stereotypical.

When I go to my mother's house in the Ardennes, there is not one week without the usual Dutch ppl stopping by and asking their way (or selling weird junk for cheap lol); I guess they are most of the time from Limburg as they are not very distinctive; the only way I know they are dutch is their plate (and their accent).

It's weird because in Holland, people tend to look quite particular.

[Damião de Góis]

Van Buyten southern european looking... has to be the joke of the week.

[Tchek]

Van Buyten southern european looking... has to be the joke of the week.

Exactly, but like I said the pictures are misleading... bad light/contrast/everything...

[Damião de Góis]

Exactly, but like I said the pictures are misleading... bad light/contrast/everything...

Indeed, it often happens with the portuguese team.. the 2012 pictures were appaling. But 2 meter tall Van Buyten is only southern looking to people who have no clue of who he is, as it's the case here.

http://mediadb.kicker.de/2010/fussball/spieler/xl/27975_14.jpg

[Yuffayur]

Spain probably as they don't look typical belgian.

They look French not Spaniards lool.

[Tchek]

The pictures are bad; actually both Steven Defour and Dries Mertens look Belgian
http://images14.knack.be/images/resized/400/006/996/974/4/250_0_KEEP_RATIO_SHRINK_CENTER_FFFFFF/image/Steven-Defour-vanavond-met-FC-Porto-tegen-Benfica-.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/DriesMertens.jpg/200px-DriesMertens.jpg
Mertens is keltic type. Pseudo-dinaroid look makes him look more southern.