Ubermenschen

[KeinMitleid]

What are you ideas about the 'superman' and general concepts of a new man? How do you define a superhuman? Do you feel that the birth of a New Man is necessary? Discuss.

[Mortimer]

i dont have a definition, there are people are highly respect but i wouldnt call anyone a superhuman unless he can fly.

[KeinMitleid]

I don't mean a literal superhuman of course.

[Leliana]

Real Übermenschen can write 'Übermenschen' and don't write 'Ubermenschen'. :P

[Virtuous]

Expect heart bleeding trolls to shit all over your thread.

[Dandelion]

Real Übermenschen can write 'Übermenschen' and don't write 'Ubermenschen'. :P

And if their keyboards don't allow it and they're too lazy to change settings or learn the alt code by rote, write 'Uebermenschen'. That would imply their location isn't Germany/Austria/Switzerland greatly diminishing their superiority, yet it remains one such perk leading in the right direction.

[arcticwolf]

Just to make sure everybody is on the same page, Aryan means noble-minded. It's the mind that makes one uber, not the body. Now, what does noble-minded mean? Figure that out, and you just started your journey to become one.

[KeinMitleid]

I find the concept of 'Aryaness' as a spiritual state of being very interesting.

[KeinMitleid]

Real Übermenschen can write 'Übermenschen' and don't write 'Ubermenschen'. :P

Well Catholics aren't quite the authority on this concept :)

[Herr Abubu]

Nietzsche is hugely overrated. It's only because of the mental impairments of our modern times that anyone gives Nietzsche the least bit of credence. There is such a thing as a natural aristocrat, but it has nothing to do with Nietzsche's idea, which is a complete rejection of theism and morality on no basis other than "Zarathustra says so". In fact, this natural aristocrat, the alpha, is the complete opposite of Nietzsche's degenerate Übermensch.

[Cleitus]

Nietzsche is hugely overrated. It's only because of the mental impairments of our modern times that anyone gives Nietzsche the least bit of credence. There is such a thing as a natural aristocrat, but it has nothing to do with Nietzsche's idea, which is a complete rejection of theism and morality on no basis other than "Zarathustra says so". In fact, this natural aristocrat, the alpha, is the complete opposite of Nietzsche's degenerate Übermensch.
Nietzsches degenerated Übermensch ?! Nietzsche was a genius a light in the darkness. Did you read The Antichrist ?

[Herr Abubu]

Nietzsches degenerated Übermensch ?! Nietzsche was a genius a light in the darkness. Did you read The Antichrist ?

Nietzsche barely made arguments, but postulated on little basis. The thing about Nietzsche is that he's more of a rhetorician than a philosopher. His ideas are cool and radical, but don't hold philosophically. And yes, I've read Nietzsche.

There is such a thing as the natural aristocrat—the "aryan", the alpha—but a rejection of morality, objectivity and theology goes against the spirit of the natural aristocrat.

[Linebacker]

A man from any race that is big tall muscular athletic built and robust is genetically above other people.

Ubermen come in all colors.You can see most of them in extreme sports.

[Virtuous]

Nietzsche is hugely overrated. It's only because of the mental impairments of our modern times that anyone gives Nietzsche the least bit of credence. There is such a thing as a natural aristocrat, but it has nothing to do with Nietzsche's idea, which is a complete rejection of theism and morality on no basis other than "Zarathustra says so". In fact, this natural aristocrat, the alpha, is the complete opposite of Nietzsche's degenerate Übermensch.

You're wrong. The Nihilist phase is only a step behind full realization, and that is to embrace the pure and untainted Will, as a collective, as a Civilization.

[Anglojew]

What are you ideas about the 'superman' and general concepts of a new man? How do you define a superhuman? Do you feel that the birth of a New Man is necessary? Discuss.

I think a similar politically correct concept exists today in the guise of "geeks" vs "Jocks".

I think there concept of a man's man or bloke's bloke still exists and is expressed in the Hollywood leading man aesthetic. This comes in two types;

An Atlantid type over 6ft tall eg James Bond, Superman etc

http://stevenbenjamin.weebly.com/uploads/1/2/4/4/12444209/9582407_orig.jpg

A second type is an action hero. Usually CM influenced excessively muscular and tall. Dolph Lundgren and Arnie being the archetypes.

http://img.mypopulars.com/images/dolph-lundgren/Dolph-Lundgren-11.jpg

[Cleitus]

A man from any race that is big tall muscular athletic built and robust is genetically above other people.

Ubermen come in all colors.You can see most of them in extreme sports.
A superior Physique is worthless, if you dont have a high intellect, you need both.

[Dorian]

I think a similar politically correct concept exists today in the guise of "geeks" vs "Jocks".

I think there concept of a man's man or bloke's bloke still exists and is expressed in the Hollywood leading man aesthetic. This comes in two types;

An Atlantid type over 6ft tall eg James Bond, Superman etc

http://stevenbenjamin.weebly.com/uploads/1/2/4/4/12444209/9582407_orig.jpg

A second type is an action hero. Usually CM influenced excessively muscular and tall. Dolph Lundgren and Arnie being the archetypes.

http://img.mypopulars.com/images/dolph-lundgren/Dolph-Lundgren-11.jpg

Yeah dolph is a true ubermenschen..he has also genius iq

[Dorian]

A man from any race that is big tall muscular athletic built and robust is genetically above other people.

Ubermen come in all colors.You can see most of them in extreme sports.

what about these?
http://img6.bdbphotos.com/images/orig/x/3/x3r2vc4jdt23j4t2.jpg?djet1p5k
http://www.gammalabs.net/assets/client_files/images/blog/home/2%20mariusz%20pudzianowski.jpg
http://www.staszeks.com/galeria/albums/reportaz/strongman/IMG_7280_cr.jpg

[Herr Abubu]

You're wrong. The Nihilist phase is only a step behind full realization, and that is to embrace the pure and untainted Will, as a collective, as a Civilization.

Read again. Nietzsche's Übermensch is an amoral man, he transcends morality. The Übermensch lives only by the dictum "might makes right", as long as he is strong enough he can do whatever he pleases. In other words, you're wrong.

[Cleitus]

what about these?
http://img6.bdbphotos.com/images/orig/x/3/x3r2vc4jdt23j4t2.jpg?djet1p5k
http://www.gammalabs.net/assets/client_files/images/blog/home/2%20mariusz%20pudzianowski.jpg
http://www.staszeks.com/galeria/albums/reportaz/strongman/IMG_7280_cr.jpg
http://bodymuscleshop.com/images/testosterone_enanthate_blue.JPG
http://www.anabolika-infos.de/wp-content/gallery/methyltestosteron/teston25.jpg

[Dorian]

http://bodymuscleshop.com/images/testosterone_enanthate_blue.JPG
http://www.anabolika-infos.de/wp-content/gallery/methyltestosteron/teston25.jpg

Yeah right,but I believe it's also about genetic predisposition..those guys are endo-mesomorphs and it's easier for them to gain muscle than it is to an ectomorph or a pure mesomorph..when they reach their maximum potential,they use supplements but still it's easier for them to reach there.

[Breedingvariety]

There is such a thing as a natural aristocrat, but it has nothing to do with Nietzsche's idea, which is a complete rejection of theism and morality on no basis other than "Zarathustra says so". In fact, this natural aristocrat, the alpha, is the complete opposite of Nietzsche's degenerate Übermensch.
Zoroaster was the one who created good and evil, so naturally he is the one who overcomes it in Nietzsche's "Thus Spake Zarathustra".

Of course it depends on definitions of aristocrat. But I think Nietzsche was very spot on about our world ruling aristocracy overall. No other philosopher shed so much light on the morality of aristocrats, IMO.

Overman is supposed to have overcome all nihilistic values of men on one hand and on the other hand he is supposed have become nihilist on all petty values of men. He overvalued all values. The result is affirmation of will the way it is without resentment of it or hiding behind falsehoods.

It doesn't mean I agree. At least not with everything I don't.

[Borna]

Nietzsche is hugely overrated. It's only because of the mental impairments of our modern times that anyone gives Nietzsche the least bit of credence. There is such a thing as a natural aristocrat, but it has nothing to do with Nietzsche's idea, which is a complete rejection of theism and morality on no basis other than "Zarathustra says so". In fact, this natural aristocrat, the alpha, is the complete opposite of Nietzsche's degenerate Übermensch.

Your knowledge of philosophy is close to 0. I bet you never seen any of his book, let alone read them. Do not embarrass yourself.

[Herr Abubu]

Zoroaster was the one who created good and evil, so naturally he is the one who overcomes it in Nietzsche's "Thus Spake Zarathustra".

No one created good and evil.


Overman is supposed to have overcome all nihilistic values of men on one hand and on the other hand he is supposed have become nihilist on all petty values of men. He overvalued all values. The result is affirmation of will the way it is without resentment of it or hiding behind falsehoods.

Let's be more precise. Nietzsche was a nihilist since he believed life has no objective meaning, intrinsic value and purpose. His beliefs were formed by the dawning materialism, inspired by Darwin's Theory of Evolution, among other things. But he thought that since nihilism is true because materialism is true—though both are false and idiotic—mankind would sink to apathy. The Übermensch, however, is not fazed by nihilism and materialism—he doesn't sink to apathy, he has the Will to Power. Of course, according to Nietzsche there is no such thing as objectively good and bad, so the Übermensch just does whatever he wants to do.

[Herr Abubu]

Your knowledge of philosophy is close to 0. I bet you never seen any of his book, let alone read them. Do not embarrass yourself.

But I have read Nietzsche. The thing is, though, that Nietzsche is hardly a philosopher. He comes closer to being a prosaist than he comes to being a philosopher. Really, if you want to know philosophy, if you want to think about the big questions, you're not going to read Nietzsche—this for the same reason you're not going to read Foucault and the post-modernists. Thanks for the insightful, penetrating comment, however—ignorant plebes telling me what I know and what I don't know is just what I need.

[Breedingvariety]

No one created good and evil.
There is a religion Zoroastrianism which was first to postulate good and evil.

Let's make a few distinctions. Nietzsche was a nihilist since he believed life has no objective meaning, intrinsic value and purpose. His beliefs were formed by the dawning materialism, inspired by Darwin's Theory of Evolution, among other things. But he thought that since nihilism is true because materialism is true—though both are false and idiotic—mankind would sink to apathy. The Übermensch, however, is not fazed by nihilism and materialism—he doesn't sink to apathy, he has the Will to Power. Of course, according to Nietzsche there is no such thing as objectively good and bad, so the Übermensch just does whatever he wants to do.
No, Nietzsche was not materialist.

In a way Nietzsche's morality is satanic. "Do what thou wilt" wouldn't contradict much to Zarathustra's view.

[Virtuous]

Read again. Nietzsche's Übermensch is an amoral man, he transcends morality. The Übermensch lives only by the dictum "might makes right", as long as he is strong enough he can do whatever he pleases. In other words, you're wrong.

That is why Nietzsche implied (or perhaps I am implying this, not sure) that a conscious society that operates on right vs. wrong without the necessity of a fear induced good vs. bad mindset. Amorality does not necessarily mean to be inherently a killer, genocidal maniac or engaging in vices. What I understand by the Will is that pure driving force of Being, without the trivialities of illusory wants. He was right in stating free will in a sense is overly rated, and I could see how the German NationalSocialist model was shaping itself upon this idea. The Human is a social animal, and that means advocating purely direct social Darwinism is insane - but alas, we have to transcend the animal.

[Herr Abubu]

There is a religion Zoroastrianism which was first to postulate good and evil.

They're cultural universals. Our senses of right and wrong are innate.


No, Nietzsche was not materialist.

He most definitely was a materialist, or, better put in this context, a naturalist.


In a way Nietzsche's morality is satanic. "Do what thou wilt" wouldn't contradict much to Zarathustra's view.

I agree, it is satanic, but it is not moral, it is amoral.

[Herr Abubu]

That is why Nietzsche implied (or perhaps I am implying this, not sure) that a conscious society that operates on right vs. wrong without the necessity of a fear induced good vs. bad mindset. Amorality does not necessarily mean to be inherently a killer, genocidal maniac or engaging in vices. What I understand by the Will is that pure driving force of Being, without the trivialities of illusory wants. He was right in stating free will in a sense is overly rated, and I could see how the German NationalSocialist model was shaping itself upon this idea. The Human is a social animal, and that means advocating purely direct social Darwinism is insane - but alas, we have to transcend the animal.

Nietzsche thought of religion and God as illusions, but helpful illusions. With the death of God, the illusion perished along with Him. The Übermensch transcends morality and basically does whatever he wants so long as he's able to. Amorality doesn't necessarily mean that people will do wrong, but it does necessarily mean that doing wrong will not be perceived as wrong.

[Cleitus]

Yeah right,but I believe it's also about genetic predisposition..those guys are endo-mesomorphs and it's easier for them to gain muscle than it is to an ectomorph or a pure mesomorph..when they reach their maximum potential,they use supplements but still it's easier for them to reach there.
Yeah they are both Endomorph.

[Cleitus]

Nietzsche thought of religion and God as illusions, but helpful illusions. With the death of God, the illusion perished along with Him. The Übermensch transcends morality and basically does whatever he wants so long as he's able to. Amorality doesn't necessarily mean that people will do wrong, but it does necessarily mean that doing wrong will not be perceived as wrong.
Morale is a tool to create the Übermensch, Semitic religions arent moralic they just hate the strong and support the weak, they try to hold something alive that must perish.

[Virtuous]

Nietzsche thought of religion and God as illusions, but helpful illusions. With the death of God, the illusion perished along with Him. The Übermensch transcends morality and basically does whatever he wants so long as he's able to. Amorality doesn't necessarily mean that people will do wrong, but it does necessarily mean that doing wrong will not be perceived as wrong.

Benevolent Luciferianism is the path to take, in my opinion.

[Cleitus]

We can make the morales ourselve, we can decide what is wrong and what right.

[Virtuous]

We can make the morales ourselve, we can decide what is wrong and what right.

Here I disagree. That is where "Enlightenment" goes wrong.

Enlightenment + Egotism = Wrong direction

Enlightenment + Integrity/Schopenhauer's Will = Right direction


Pure Capitalism

vs.

NationalSocialism

[Ctwentysevenj]

Real Übermenschen can write 'Übermenschen' and don't write 'Ubermenschen'. :P

I can write Übermenschen that means I am a Übermenschen!:D

[Diërker]

Me. I'm an Aryan and the last great Fuhrer of the German Reich.

[StonyArabia]

Only if you are Nabatean

[Cleitus]

Here I disagree. That is where "Enlightenment" goes wrong.

Enlightenment + Egotism = Wrong direction

Enlightenment + Integrity/Schopenhauer's Will = Right direction


Pure Capitalism

vs.

NationalSocialism
I didnt mean to make the morales in the interest of the individual, but in the utilize of the Volksgemeinschaft so that they protect the Volksgemeinschaft from negative influences.

[XUTERO]

A superior Physique is worthless, if you dont have a high intellect, you need both.

Physical superiority is true but Intellectual can be even more superior to brawn.
You are perfectly right to say that both combined is the true superiority.

[Borna]

There is no morality without Christanity. Take a look what old religions allowed.

[Cleitus]

There is no morality without Christanity. Take a look what old religions allowed.
Christianity is like political correctness.

[Borna]

Christianity is like political correctness.

That is why Europe during medieval times was very politically correct :rolleyes:
You should read holy bible and punishments it mandates for various crimes very popular in new Europe and unimaginable during times when Europe was ruled by Catholic Church.

[KeinMitleid]

Physical superiority is true but Intellectual can be even more superior to brawn.
You are perfectly right to say that both combined is the true superiority.

Yes..the strong dominate the weak and the clever dominate the strong, as it were.

[KeinMitleid]

Christianity is like political correctness.

I think its more like Political Correctness and other forms of cultural marxism are a product of Christianity.

[Cleitus]

I think its more like Political Correctness and other forms of cultural marxism are a product of Christianity.

http://www.dailystormer.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Image13.jpg

[KeinMitleid]

http://www.dailystormer.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Image13.jpg

hahahaha exactly :D