R1a in Ashkenazim is Semitic

[StonyArabia]

There is R1a lineages among Arabian tribes. These Arabian tribes that have R1a are Al-Numai which is descendant of Lakhmid tribe, a powerful Sunni tribe in Iraq and Arabia. As well the Shammar tribe of Arabia, have very high levels of R1a. This comes to the conclusion that the R1a present in Arabians and Ashkenazim is probably of Semitic origins and different from the Indo-Aryan/Slavic R1a lineages.

[Yehiel]

Ive read this before also

[Smaug]

Bullshit.

[StonyArabia]

Ive read this before also

There was a paper that showed Ashkenazim R1a to have matched strongly with Al-Nuami R1a lineages. I will try to find the paper.

[Yehiel]

Bullshit.

This paper is a nice cautionary tale. R1a is very common in eastern Europe and less so in the Near East. Ashkenazi Jews lived in Eastern Europe, and one group of them (Levites) had high frequency of R1a than the rest. It seemed that an eastern European patrilineage had inserted itself into the Ashkenazi Levite gene pool.

It turns out that this is not the case. The specific clade R-M582 to which Ashkenazi Levites (and other non-Levites) belong to is absent in eastern Europeans and present in non-Jewish Near Easterners, making it more likely that Jews did not pick it up from eastern Europeans, but rather from some Near Eastern population. A look at the table of frequencies suggests to me an Iranic source, but I doubt that modern populations will ever allow a full resolution of such questions.

http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2013/131217/ncomms3928/full/ncomms3928.html

[Yehiel]

There was a paper that showed Ashkenazim R1a to have matched strongly with Al-Nuami R1a lineages. I will try to find the paper.

is it the paper i just posted in response to Uhtred?

[random]

The Lakhmids probably absorbed some Iranic people.

[StonyArabia]

is it the paper i just posted in response to Uhtred?

It was different paper. Though I have seen this paper but it's says basically what I am saying that the R1a lineages are Semitic, and that Al-Numai which is Lakhmid had significant R1a lineages which did match with Ashkenazi lineages.


The Lakhmids probably absorbed some Iranic people.

Unlikely, the descendants of the Lakhmids are all Sunni Muslims, with tiny minority being Christians.

[random]

It was different paper. Though I have seen this paper but it's says basically what I am saying that the R1a lineages are Semitic, and that Al-Numai which is Lakhmid had significant R1a lineages which did match with Ashkenazi lineages.



Unlikely, the descendants of the Lakhmids are all Sunni Muslims, with tiny minority being Christians.

Kurds are Iranic and mainly sunni, why not ?

[arcticwolf]

BS lol

[Demhat]

There was a paper that showed Ashkenazim R1a to have matched strongly with Al-Nuami R1a lineages. I will try to find the paper.

This is because botht he R1a in Ashkenazi and Arabs is of z93 branch and with high probability of Iranic origin.

[StonyArabia]

This is because botht he R1a in Ashkenazi and Arabs is of z93 branch and with high probability of Iranic origin.

I highly doubt an Iranic source for it. It's most likely ancient lineage that entered by both peoples long ago. Still this shows that the R1a in Ashkenazim is near Eastern and not European like the myth tells us.

[Demhat]

I highly doubt an Iranic source for it. It's most likely ancient lineage that entered by both peoples long ago. Still this shows that the R1a in Ashkenazim is near Eastern and not European like the myth tells us.



R1a in Ashkenazis and Shammar tribe is z93 believe me. This is the major Iranic branch.

Ancient lineages of R1a* like L62 and other relatively strong deep clades like z380 in Iraq are only found among Kurds. Also R1*, R*, R1b* m343 are found in Eastern Anatolia and Iran.

[Mark]

Mine is R1a-M458 "Proto-Slavic" L1029+

Polabian and Sorb origin and I am mostly Ashkenazi - but I know that the vast majority of Ashkenazim have the Levite subclades.